Shavkat fans when you don’t obsess over him: 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 Relax guys I just don’t think he’s that exciting. He’s not that boring, but I just don’t get hyped to see him fight. Great fighter though.
Nah it's just seems to be the theme of your takes that whenever there is a hyped up prospects you seem to think they are overrated,mid or boring. Edit:-Also recent news that Shavkat had torn ligaments in his ankle.
@@funtv4920that’s nonsense. You’re just remembering the ones I push back on. I am a big fan of guys like JDM, Roman Kopylov, Benoit Saint Denis, Joshua Van, Umar Nurmagomedov, Jailton Almeida etc. But people only remember the negative critiques
@@marcovazquez-ou2pv If you think that you have no clue about ground game.Royval defended very well on the ground and despite that Pantoja was able to get in advantagous positions on the ground multiple times.
@@marcovazquez-ou2pv He COULDN'T do shit on the ground. You MMA experts need to stop playing your stupid games, when you're watching actual sports at the very elite levels, where skills are so even matched, more often than not, you don't see dominating situations (unless someone is really old, hurt, or not deserving the fight they're fighting in, and so they're easily out classed). The guy Pantoja's lying on top of was not some part time taxi driver he could just sub. Royval is a very creative and deadly BJJ guy himself, not just Pantoja... like the magical Colby D1, magical Colby cardio, & magically relentless Colby pressure: you CAN'T DO YOUR SHIT, if the other person has SOME SAY it the whole thing. Colby din't keep running at Leon, first, because Leon could EASILY KO him with a kick or a knee, in less than 1/100 of a second; secondly, by the time he's warmed up, Leon had already chopped his legs to shreds. It's only due to Colby's exceptional durability that he could fight to the end. Watch clips of him limping through the hallway, on his way out of the stadium: both legs were iced with big bags... he could BARELY walk straight... Leon may not be a KO man like Shavkat; but he is a very REFINED, very ACCURATE technical point fighter who could land on the same spot 10,000 times like Bruce Lee used to say...
Nah that pantoja take is wrong. Royval had nothing for him at least three rounds. Dude went like a bat out of hell in the first two rounds as well in striking. Dude constantly (even when tired) pushed forward and kept high pressure.
Guys don’t fall for it he has to put at least one outrageous take in ever video. Pantoja obviously wasn’t a disgrace. Now Colby on the other hand, that was a disgrace.
@@deinojohnson1638 he needs a more aggressive opponent.. they’re both too nice. He needs to humble a shit talker. But who would try to stand with Wonderboy for more than 1 round? Did you see how fast he was? Fights like he’s 30.
Disagree about Pantoja, he was constantly looking for more dominant positions and had some solid submission attempts. Not to mention those takedowns he earned. In the first round when his first two attempts got stuffed he wasn’t setting them up, he adapted and kept taking him down over and over
@@blank9o243 dear life ahahha royval is so weak literally did no dmage with any shots bro landed like 50 shots in 1 round and not even a wobble from pantoja
Colby was ripping Holland for talking all that big game and not backing it up but at least Holland doesn’t say he’s here to win titles, Colby’s out here fighting so timid🤦🏼♂️
@@K1ng-Picks Colby in the 2nd Usman fight was somewhat like this for the first half, sucks to say but we’ll never again see title challenger Colby that gave Usman a war that first time, idk if it’s actually ring rust, all the damage he took before made him gunshy or just seeing Leon ko Usman
Mma fans are getting more ignorant by the day. The fact that this clown can dedicate his life to covering this sport and still have such bad takes is sad.
good for him ofc and his bank account etc but it was still super boring to watch and no one not into grappling or shavkhat would like to watch a fight like that ever. the normal viewer wants to see lots of action and not 15 to 25 minutes of 2 man holding each other close while being almost naked
to finish a fight doesn't mean necessarily it is more exiting than to win by decision. Imagine Carla Esparza would have submitted Rose(in Esparza vs Namajunas 2)in the last minute of round 5 would that make the fight exciting allthough it was almost 25 minutes pure trash?Would it better than Chimaev vs Burns only because one fight had a finish and the other didn't?
Shavkat revealed he had a torn ankle going into the fight, and didn't get surgery ofc, so he was avoiding the leg kicks of wonderboy at all costs. After he recovers, I imagine he'd be more exciting.
Its astounding that people can honestly think a dude who is 18-0 with 100% finish rate is boring. Like yall are watching the wrong sport at this point.
@clint6716 I like this guy's channel but I'm starting to think he is a literal prisoner of the moment. You can be exciting 95% of the time but one boring match makes you boring to him
@@clint6716cuz you can finish someone and be boring watch jared gordan's last fight. The fact you think a finish makes a fight exciting shows that you're watching the wrong sport
@@Dwood777 nah fam, I like MMA, not just striking. Shavkat literally dismantled one of the most decorated strikers in the UFC and did what no one else has.. If that's not entertaining go watch Muay Thai or kickboxing man
Shavkat was injured, info from Laura Sanko: "Henry Hooft told me he tore his ankle badly and should have had surgery but opted to go ahead with the fight. I spoke directly to Shavkat about it and he confirmed and said he considered pulling from the fight. I asked if that’s why he didn’t kick and he said “yes 100%”. So an understandable strategy."
@@lucastracymma8764 Your thumbnail in big bold letters has "Boring" written over Shavkat's dome. Who are you kidding? It's an opinion. I don't mind. Just don't claim you didn't say it
Shavkat was the No#1 prospect at WW since his UFC debut imo. He is just so damn good at shutting down his opponents. He has all the skills and is a master of using the right ones at the right time according to what his opponents present. I have been hyped up to see him against Khamzat, Usman, and Belal in particular for a while now.
LT idk about the shavkat part. He had one fight where he felt like grappling and now he's boring? 🤔 And Wonderboy definitely trained takedown defense this whole camp and we shouldn't be surprised that he was able to fend off a few takedowns.
I just don’t find his style to be that entertaining and I’m not a fan of him. I know he’s a great fighter and I don’t think his fight style is extremely boring like Leon or Belal
That Pantoja rant was idiotic, dude is like 4 inches shorter than he’s opponent and he bullied him on the ground the entire fight, Pantoja won ever round against a good opponent and these are elite Flyweights I dunno if I was expecting a finish. As for Shavkat, why the fuck would he stand with Wonderboy when he doesn’t have to? This is an mma fight, Shavkat is a grappler first so of course he was gonna take the fight to the ground and in Wonderboy’s long career, Shavkat was the first guy to submit him, wtf are you so salty about? Also everyone complaining about Leon’s performance clearly just weren’t paying attention to the fight.
Heavily disagree with you and MMA guru on this. Pantoja had a good performance. The fight was exciting on the feet and when it got to the ground, Pantoja was always trying to look for an opening for a submission or some ground and pound. Royval did a great job of defending submissions and mitigating damage. As for Shavkhat, this is a real good performance from him. Wonderboy clearly upgraded his takedown defense since the Belal and Burns fights. Shavkhat took his time, landed good strikes in the clinch, and became the first person to submit wonderboy. Very impressive and it shows his fight iq to go to the path of least resistance.
Shavkat is a champ. He is not your Kevin Holland, who would make a deal to not go grappling and enjoy the fight standing up. He came to win the match, and finished the way he should have. No wonder, he was the first one to submit Wonderboy. And most importantly, he did that in two rounds. WB tapped with only 6 seconds remaining. Unreal dominance against a pro. Definitely finishes Leon next time they face off.
The Pantoja rant was crazy, what an overreaction. "Pantoja is just stronger" He beat Royval on the feet while he had cardio, it's easier to argue that Royval "just has cardio" then it is to say Pantoja is just stronger, and even that would be stupid because physical attributes matter and he worked his ass out to have that cardio, the same way Pantoja did to have his strength. If his opponents don't like him being stronger, than build muscle and fight people at BW who are the same height as you instead of trying to bully people with your reach.
pantoja did not beat royval on the feet and he gassed in round 3. he gasses in every fight and wet blankets. that chin is gonna crack soon only reason it hasnt is because flyweights hit like flies
Shavkat Boring? I haven’t heard anyone say that yet. Not only was he fighting injured, he tore a ligament in his ankle and avoided surgery just to fight wonder boy, but he had to adjust his game plan, and still executed it perfectly. But everyone has their opinion, I respect yours, just dont agree with it 🤷♂️
I jus think it’s too risky for Shavkat to strike with wonderboy who is a 57-0 kickboxer, he definitely did the smart move grappling but I do agree it was pretty boring to watch wonderboy get stuck in the clinch 😒
Pentoja was not boring, he just typically gives us A tier fights but gave us a high C tier performance so we're surprised in comparison. Quit exaggerating bro.
@@felipearaujo9673 that's true. I'm these kind of one sided grappling heavy fights, there's very little blame placed on the loser for their takedown defense or reversal ability and everything is blamed on the winner. Eg. Font sandhagen, Lewis Almeida and now this and the wonderboy fight.
What do you mean Royval had no control on it? He could have fucking defended the take down. If a wrestler takes you down easily thats on you buddy. I scored the match 49-46, but given how little Royval did 50-45 is hardly outrageous.
I agree. All this hate on pantoja makes no sense to me. The man worked his ass off in that fight to get the win. The judges are terrible as always but pantoja had a decent performance against a tough opponent
Bro Shavkat was just like every other fighter who said they were gonna stand with Wonderboy. Yeah he’s never been submitted, now he’s 40.. but he DID submit Wonderboy! I’m just disappointed at thinking it was gonna be a stand up fight. It is MMA though so can’t complain too much.
@@DarrenReddix-jl1gu Pettis is also a Taekwondo guy.. it’s beautiful to see strikers go at it. It’s like when Volk had to wrestle Yair Rodriguez. These strikers are just too much for the wrestlers.. & vice versa 😂
@@beef9 that's the whole purpose so that you fanboys can keep talking about him and then you're all gonna tune in to watch him win or lose. UFC=WWE 4 CASUALS MONEY
@@warrenstringham415 you can be an entertaining character/heel without being a terrible human being. Chael sonnen for example is one of the best trash talkers yet his trash talk was actually creative and witty and he rarely brought up peoples family and certainly didn't mock fucking peoples death for publicity and money. Hes just a piece of shit, "character" or not
Before the Emmett fight, MOST of the analysts were picking him, doesn't that necessarily mean that he'd be ranked as a top contender for the belt? Bryce was the "favorite" going into the fight too, there was a lot of "potential champ" talk, I disagreed, but it's saved on the internet;) @@kingt0295
You must have forgot about all of Usmans boring performances…how quickly we forget about the holding opponents against the cage for 5 rounds and stomping on their toesy woesys
One thing I think is considerable Lucas is that Laura Sanko revealed in an interview with Shavkat that he was almost forced to pull out of the fight due to an ankle injury which is what led to this performance being kinda strange/Magny-esque.
Atleast 4... if he beats Belal, Shavkat, and say Garry if he keeps winning(hes a cuck but still a fantastic fighter) and a JDM if he keeps the streak alive then yeah but saying 2 or 3 is glazing to the max
Idk why wonderboy's opponents always catch strays for his fights being boring you can't blame them for not going toe to toe with wb in his game it's the matchmakers' fault.
I thought Pantoja showed he can win any way he really wants too even when he is not in great condition. Especially against a scrappier opponent. You can say the raw dog fella quite literally got ‘rawdogged’
Shavkat shutdown Wonderboy and submitted him. What many people tried and failed to do against him. Also a Wonderboy age has caught up to him. He’s just a little slower and that little bit is finally letting these dudes grab him. Wonderboy got unlucky Woodley was champ and Lawler when he got his title shot.
My buddy that doesnt watch much UFC came over late to watch this card and witnessed. Tony, Shavkat, Pantoja, and Colby😭 this is so embarrassing for me as a UFC advocate.
Shavkat could KO Thompson, but standing with Thompson isn't a good gameplan. I thought Shavkat would test himself on the feet more, but he had the perfect gameplan and did what no one else could
With each passing day these analyzes become even weaker and of personal bias. At the end of the day, we're MMA fans and we can't always have big fights with fireworks and shit. There is a lot of strategy, energy management and risk calculation involved. Personally, I think people miss watching a TV SHOW like WWE.
Rather people want to admit it or not most of the all time greats fighters are really technical and can be considered “boring” . Leon has a chance to be one of the greats . Gsp , Usman, khabib wasn’t flashy they just did what they did and game planned well
I swear bro has twitter opinions everything you see on social media you agree with, shavkat was impressive, sure pantoja slowed down at the end but he didnt look awful, people just dragging stuff
shavkat is exciting lmao , he submitted the guy who never has been submitted. gilbert couldnt do it, woodley couldnt do it, belal couldnt do it, shavkat did it within the first take down. smh go watch boxing bro
Shavkat defeated Wonder boy the same way Jon Jones defeated Cyril Gane. One dimensional striker was defeated by pure grappling exchanges and this does not mean that he is overrated. UFC matchmaking went wrong. Shavkat was supposed to fight Gilbert Burns. As well as Wonderboy would have face Jack Maddelana. The whole thing turned around
Gane has much worse grappling defense than wonderboy Nobody submitted wonderboy ever Not even gilbert burns Belal couldnt do it Shavkat submitting wonderboy is good L take
@@lucastracymma8764 If you could have a fighter exactly like Cyril Gane at welterweight he would never enter the rankings, the heavyweights are so bad that a guy with no wrestling skills was interim champion and has fought for the title twice. Wonderboy's takedown defense isn't perfect, but it is infinitely better than Gane's.
@@germandavid2520 Yeah amazing point, Gane is a fast point fighter that never fully commits which work at HW but it's a very mid-level style at WW. WW doesn't have guys like Almeida/Black Beast in the top 5 since they'd be under skilled imo
then lucas you have to say the same thing for the grasso v shevchenko 2 in the fifth round when shevchenko was just jabbing her also shavkat was injured and he didn’t pull out call it boring if you want he won in a good fashion
Guys when Shavkat and Leon fight it would unironically make the “Rocky” nickname more accurate. Shavkat is essentially like Drago, an undefeated monster who walks through and finishes everyone. Everyone is scared to fight this dude(even if his fight with wonderboy was lame).
I feel like you are being a little hard on pantoja, it’s not his fault royval can’t get up or stuff a takedown but the judges were also terrible but that’s not pantojas fault
So the two entertaining fights on this card were bryce getting cte and oap tony beaten to a pulp by a mediocre pimblett... I bet this dude is the kinda guy that slows down traffic just to see a car crash.
I disagree with your takes on Pantoja and Shavkat here. Why is it that the winning fighters are perpetually being criticized for exploiting a huge flaw in Wonderboy's overall game? In 3 of the last 4 Wonderboy fights, his lack of ability to get off the cage/compete in the clinch has costed him the victory (and has costed fans their entertainment). In August of 2022, over a year ago, Wonderboy was quoted saying that "It doesn’t make sense for me to face another heavy grappler. Let me work on my craft a little more, especially when it comes to wrestling". This was also in conjunction with him declining a fight with Shavkat. Wonderboy has been in the UFC for over 10 years, has 25 fights in MMA, and PRIOR to the Shavkat fight had recently lost 2 clinch-heavy fights. If there's a well laid out blueprint to defeat Wonderboy and his opponent takes it (instead of standing in front of one of the best strikers in the UFC, quite like how Strickland stood in front of Pereira), I don't think the opponent should be criticized for making a good decision. On top of that, Shavkat was pushing for and SUCCEEDED in the submission of Wonderboy (who hasn't been submitted in the UFC). My take; if Wonderboy is fighting anyone with any strong wrestling ability, he should be prepared to address being clinched. This has happened to you in 2 of your last 3 fights, and you declined Shavkat over a year ago claiming you would work on your wrestling craft more. Shavkat implemented a good game plan, finished Wonderboy, and IS exciting. He has a 100% finish rate, and watch his fights outside of Wonderboy; I'd claim that WONDERBOY is the boring fighter unless he's matched up with someone who exclusively wants to strike (like Kevin Holland). Wonderboy is a fantastic person and a great fighter. I think if he continues to fight, he should only be fighting a select few fighters that likely wouldn't grapple him; Ian Garry, Jack Della Maddalena, etc.
Lucas I was just thinking earlier today “Hey, maybe Lucas Tracy isn’t that bad? Maybe he actually knows the game?” Then I saw this video and I remembered exactly why I hated you beforehand.
I actually do. I do not enjoy wet blankets tho. I was entertained by Shavkat once his fight with Wonderboy went to the mar. I was saying Colby is a fun grappler to watch even when most say he’s boring. Pantoja was laying in half guard doing literally nothing
Bro you are spot on about the judges giving Pantoja the 5th rd. People just have goldfish memories. So if you end a rd on your back for more than 90 secs all the work you did before is just meaningless to the judges, even if you outdamaged your opponent. Its such a dumb unspoken rule
The only reason wonder boy got taken down was because wonderboy tried a high risk knee. Otherwise this would have been a cage hug session. I believe Shavekat can beat Leon because i dont think Leon's durability or cardio is that great and i think his chin is suspect, but I really fell off on Shavkat after this performance. Im just tired of these prime up an coming fighters not having shit for wonderboy on the feet. It's kind of pathetic
You make a great point about Bryce being maybe the most honest and natural athlete, and how his KO loss to Emmett really sucks because Emmett is (presumably) on sauce. Dude is seriously built like a jacked turtle/ frost troll hybrid
Let me just make a point on the true greatness of Georges St-Pierre as idiots like this guy and others like True Geordie are quick to bash him because they don’t know mma. Let’s first start with the argument that always gets brought up: ‘he got knocked out by Matt Serra. This is basically the only blemish on GSP’s record, there is no shame in losing to Matt Hughes early on his career at a time when Hughes was the greatest UFC fighter of all time. The truth is in an elite competition such as the UFC anyone can lose to anyone. It is interesting how nobody mentions great fighters such as Usman getting finished by Jose Caceres (record 15-12) or Islam Makhachev getting koed by Adriano Martins, both of these losses are far worse than Matt Serra (HOF) and were both unavenged. Now let us move on to the argument of GSP competition was not strong. It is easy to portray a false narrative of the guys GSP fought were not that good because most of these fighters went on massive losing streaks towards the end of their careers because sadly, fighters are the last ones to know when their time is up (another testament to the greatness of Georges). Just to give a few examples of the monsters GSP fought. When GSP fought Jon Fitch, Fitch was in his absolute prime. He was on 16 fight winning streak and an 8 fight win streak in the UFC, he was truly elite. GSP destroyed him. Fitch went on to have a UFC record of 14-3 (very underrated fighter). When GSP fought Thiago Alves, Alves was on a 7 fight win streak, 9/10 bouts were wins with the only loss being to Jon Fitch. GSP dismantled him. When GSP fought Jake Shields, Shields was on a 15 fight win streak and was a Strikeforce middleweight champion. GSP outclassed him. When GSP fought Hardy, Hardy had won 11 out of his last 12. Hardy was also a Cage Warriors WW champion. When GSP fought Condit, he had won 13 of his last 14 fights and what a great fight that was, one of my all time favourites! With his win over Johnny Hendricks (whatever you may think about the result), Hendricks had only lost 1 fight out of 16. Of course he also defeated all time greats BJ Penn and Matt Hughes twice, but everyone already knows about those. I say this to point out when looking at the accomplishments of previous greats it is important to establish context. If a new mma fan saw the current Tony Ferguson, they’d see an old washed up fighter with a seemingly unimpressive ufc record of 15-8. However prime Tony was an assassin going on a 12-0 win streak! You see where the problem is? Just one more point to add because again, people like to point out ‘Bisping was the easiest fight for GSP.’ Bisping is quite underrated tbh. At the time he fought Georges, he had the most wins in the company’s history and a UFC record of 20-7, Charles oliveira has a UFC record of 22-9 and he is considered a legendary fighter. Also Bisping was a bloody former light heavyweight, he was way bigger than GSP! And GSP came back after 4 years! Funny how everyone credits Jon Jones beating Ciryl Gane as an unbelievable achievement which it undoubtedly is but Cyril ‘No grappling’ Gane is not even half the fighter Bisping was. Okay, rant over, I hope I have convinced some of you newer fans how great Georges St-Pierre really was. I truly believe he is the greatest ever.
Why do people give the fighter on top shit when its the fighter on the bottoms fault for accepting the position? If anything give Pantoja props for the times he was on the bottom he never accepted it.
