I forced TF2 YouTubers to beat my insane troll map 

Missed opportunity to have a secret button that disables everything behind a secret breakable wall in spawn

TheWhat: Scout is clearly the correct option. Zenith: Scout is probably the best? FSoaS: *_demoknight tf2_*

You can hear each of our wills slowly die as the video goes on

1) Everyone forgot how to airblast 2) Everyone forgot that jumper weapons can't carry Intel

TheWhat having all the brainpower but none of the luck is like if Sherlock Holmes got fucking railed by a meteorite.

Fish had the most creative ideas. Whatshow was the one who understood the assignment best. Zenith brought the rage to the rage game

I love how EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM forgot the jumpers couldnt pick up the intel.

"What if there was Touhou but all boys?" It returns to haunt us.

The focus (and horrible luck) of TheWhat, the unbridled rage of Fish, and the hostility of Zenith are an incredible dynamic.

"im getting really mad, and this isnt just for the video" - cuts to an ad for therapy

TheWhat Show's luck always seemed like a strange case to me.

Zenith maxing out his mic gain is like the audio equivalent of an ace attorney breakdown

Getting trolled in TF2 has allways seemed like a strange case to me

A collaboration between Valefisk and Great Blue would be diabolical.

I was so sad Fish's Heavy plan couldn't work. It felt really out of the box.

It kinda interesting that the map show how your victims solve a problem and what is their main strength. FshOnAstick: knowledge (He the only one of the bunch that doesn't use the sticky jumber, and have the most way of getting up the ramp) TheWhatshow: creativity (He can create a creative way to solve a problem, and experiment more with the load out.) Zenithzv: consistency (He the only one get up there via brute scout gameplay.) But also because of these attribute it also somewhat fuck them over. Fish have a lot of false positive because of how much he know. The what show take too much risk (an aspect of creativity) .Zenithzv seer consistency prevent him from experimenting and find some of the obvious way to solve thing. There are other factor as well like luck and risk taking but ehh.

One must imagine 3 tf2 youtubers happy

Im honestly surprised that no one thought of the sandman or wrap assassain when he said "melee only" for the button. That was my immediate thought, even if it probably wouldn't work.

The realization of "I HAVE THE STICKY JUMPER" was one of, if not the, best moments in the video

i love how TheWhat wasn't even raging at this - he was just having a whale of a time.

“You think you can jump over MY PERFECTLY CRAFTED TF2 MAP?!” -Great Blue

9:00 I hate that I know this reference. Minnesotaburns was a Call of Duty RU-vidr in the early 2010s who made videos where he trolled kids on Xbox Live by challenging them to 1v1s and fucking with the rules like adding headshots only without telling them

TheWhat: figured out strats quickly, was very unlucky all around 46 minutes, 57 seconds Zenith: raged the most, figured things out at a moderate pace 48 minutes, 57 seconds Fish on a Stick: had the wackiest strats of all 3, chad Demoknight 51 minutes, 51 seconds

You think the big red text of "Wearer cannot carry the intelligence briefcase or PASS Time JACK" on the jumpers would be a red flag when capturing the intel

Had it not been for RNG, thewhatshow would've finished in like 30-20 mins.

" You're gonna Solar Light it? " I love how that's become the " You're gonna Demoknight it? " Fitting for that channel :D

troll maps have always seemed like a strange case to me

fucking hearing zenith literally dying inside after he realises that he can't grab the intel with the sticky jumper is so funny

reverse escape rooms have always seemed like a strange case to me

fish trying to iron-bomber into the window and accidentally picking up the intel is the embodiment of “Task Failed Successfully”

the fact one of em tried bonk at the very beginning once, failed once, and decided bonk wasn't the answer for the next dozens of minutes baffles me

Blue probably had the biggest shit eating grin on his face seeing them get past the door with the Rocket Jumper/Sticky Jumper.

It would've been hilarious if after they finally got back with the intel, they realized they still had to capture it 2 more times like all other ctf maps

"I'm gonna find something you didn't account for" *Opens console* _I'm going to do what is called a pro gamer move_

You should make a version for Fish only where every trap is a critical Scorch Shot projectile.

You can tell TheWhat is an actual gamer. Not just with creative thinking but experimenting with everything.

I feel like this map would be significantly easier if the short circuit was in its pre-plasma ball projectile state.

Fish may have been the slowest, but I feel like he deserves the win for winning with strats the map didn't account for

troll maps in TF2 have always seemed like a strange case to me. On one hand if you hate how a map works but love how it looks it's nice to have another option to choose from. But on the other hand, troll maps usually function differently from their counterpart. And I've always thought it would be neat if cool looking maps like the highertower had more of an identity than "Its hightower but for tall people" So I took a large number of troll maps currently available in the custom games and gave them their own set of trolls ranging from "Slightly modified version to the original map" to "Completely new map idea that's not balanced at all but a ton of fun."

Love how you can clearly see theWhat is the smartest of the bunch but he is once unlucky bastard

Taking a shower in 50 arrows in tf2 has always seemed like a strange case to me

I was fully expecting a “ You think you can Short Circuit up MY perfectly crafted hill?”

Troll maps in tf2 have always been a strange case to me

if thewhat had better luck he wouldve been done in like 20 mins

Great Blue suddenly becoming Valefisk is something we didn't know we needed.

I'm glad to know that i'm not the only one with the shittiest luck in all of probability odds. The WhatShow, you're now my new favourite youtuber lmao

13:39 Achilles lore

"You have to bring the Intelligence back" *Uses the Sticky Jumper*

This is blues' specialty, trolling his friends who get too cocky on his maps or games 😂

Me: "wait this feels like desert bu-" *it's desert bus* "OH YOU SNEAKY B-"

I like how nobody bothered to airblast like until half an hour into the challenge

Zenith: Are you trolling me rn? Blue Out loud offended: No! Blue in his mind: 100% Yes

now i need to see some speedruns on this map, i wanna see the strats and world record get figured out over time in this silly rage map lmao

I'm gonna be honest I only just realized you and FSOAS are different people

forgetting the jumper weapons stop you grabbing the intel is so painful, genius stuff

ended up getting a time of 16:34, thermal thruster for button, then loose cannon + trimping to get up to intel, then loose cannon to get the intel, then finally charging down before trap comes back edit: i think if you remove the initial trial and error, on the completion it would be about 40 seconds, but actually grinding to get that in one run would be hell (i am actually trying this)

Boromir being skewered by orc arrows always seemed like a strange case to me

The ultimate plot twist would be forcing a BLU victory when capping the intel

Scarily reminds me of Valefisk. You two have coffee or somethin?

One must imagine TheWhatShow happy

Thewhat asking if you were controlling it was probably his PTSD from another video of yours

4:48 "put the music on" "Woaowngh"

Getting trolled by my friend in tf2 has always been a strange case to me

FSOAS just charging in head first, grabbing the intel, and charging back out is the greatest victory in this video. Well, that, and him making it in as Heavy. That was insane and I felt bad for him. Personally, I would’ve given him free access into the room as any class at that point lol

Imagine if he put Scorch shot flares as the only projectile

angry FSOAS is not real. he can't hurt you angry FSOAS:

One must imagine tf2 youtubers happy

Watchin this instead of finishing my essay that’s due tomorrow (no extensions are possible and i have one sentence done)

One must imagine Blue's friends happy

40:43 Zenith is me whenever I see a comment on an air disaster video saying,"good thing the camera man survived".

This is the TF2 equivalent of "Getting Over It".

Map beating styles : TWS: trigger launch block Zenith: trigger launch block FSOAS: SCOTLAND FOREVEEEEEEEEER

i like how you say "you can use any weapon as long as you bring the intel back" then everyone ends up using the jumper weapons

‏‪37:58‬‏ bro fell into despair after this one😭😭

I'm guessing next you're gonna troll TF2 youtubers by making them become Sisyphus (Pushing a bomb cart only for the cart to fall down again)

Zenith's "I HAVE THE STICKY JUMPerrrrr..." fucking KILLED me

Seven minutes in and I'm surprised by the lack of BASE Jumper.

It was so impossible that he hit the family guy dead pose 5:40

At first it was funny but not even half way through i just started feeling bad for them

the fact that nobody thought to just switch to blue team to never take damage always felt like a strange case to me

finally...they made getting pubstomped simulator

Basically a touhou fight

I gotta say, I'm actually more impressed that you can even make a map like this in Hammer (counting up timer, spawning "random" projectiles, etc.). I wish I knew how to make that but I have what's essentially no experience with Hammer

Yooooo GB ! Very nice video you got here, ggs to whatshow, fish and zenith for playing your INSANE map. I am actually a troll level player in SMM2 and been in that community for a while. It's soooo interesting to see you creating your own trolls level in tf2 that isn't driven by a player's triggers (deathrun gameplay) and I wanted to comment something that is awesome and that I could do an entire video around if I had motivation : Contraption Troll ethic ! Basicaly it's a way of juicing optimaly the most of your player emotions, wills, fun and anger. Il will just post this here, if you or anyone wanted to create another trollmap cause I would love to see this getting a proper group in the TF2 community. When SMM troll creators begin to make that kind of levels they where very much like your first part, the ramp of doom, lot of janks and spam of rng/chaotic timed event and projectiles across the map. More and more by the years, metas and anti metas florished for rafined trolls that are more close to the second part of the map, created in a way that the player find .. how to say that... consistency ? in the way he die and why he died. Here is basically, in bad order. A list of the rules you can apply to yourself for changing the "that's bullshit" emotion (good but dangerous for ragequit or getting stuck in a 30mn brainless try and die chokehold) in a delicious "I'm so dumb" reactions each death. - If a player die by a troll, He should quickly have in head, preferably in 1 death , how to avoid it. (I know TF2 contrario to SMM is 9 classes and mor like a thousand ways of navigating in a map with rocket jump, speed boosts, double jumps... but the tips stay the same proportionnaly. The goal here is to help your player getting in a "I have to do that, and that, and that" mindset and reducing the "What's the bumper hitbox dude ?" into a more like "Oh... yeah I forgot the bumper" that goes particulary with the hidden and "surprise" trolls. The ultimate goal can be analysed in your "rope and button" part : first troll, the starting bump, then The mid one, then the invisible wall. Whatshow seem to get into the trial and error mindset pretty quick, but maybe you can design something that reveal itself when you get bumped into, just for having on the kill cam a brief and fair way of seeing the hitbox or the event that trigger the troll Maybe TF2 specifically can help with stuff we don't have in SMM like death message. (" You got bumped in an invisible wall and die horribly" message ?). It make your maps shorter cause obviously a big part of that one was about trying and trying and trying the ramp of doom, But it make fair rage, and fair rage can glue your player's ass to the seat for a looong time and be extremely fun for the viewers - Pace your restart time. So this one is more about timing comedy and the feeling of backtracking. Essentially you want to put always the most, time consuming trolls at the beginning of the map (or aftrer a CP) and the most RNG at the end. The goal is to manipulate the patience of your player in a way that it continue to feel that the "I know how to do it now, i can do it now" when they pass a troll, and you do that by having also a bit of "I know by heart the start of the level, and i'm consistent a passing it, so i can actually do the last rng bullshit stuff" mindset. Remember that you have to control and be aware of what proportion of "getting of it with bennet" you want, cause in a way, die-restart-redo is a mini "getting over it" level design, but feel extremly different to "I got to the top and die by a last hidden wall". Both can be fun. but control the erasing of progression. - If the player isn't suppose to be there/ try this path they have the right to know, basically, they have the right to know where to go and preferably in what order. (Even if you can make very good puzzle card/door stuff, but it's a deticated troll and the "zone" and it's limits where your use that kind of trolls should be cleary visible, ("i'm out the labyrinth now" should preferably be true when your testers say this sentence) Your map did great with that, even with the "I gonna brute force and find my way on the ramp directly" 15 minutes your testers did. The vocal hints are good in this case, and a good way of placing your testers on the right track. Hints can be a bit anti-fun for some player, but you can rafined that by showing/don't tell rule. - Twice twice control is also mandatory. That can be applied to an exact troll or the feeling of the map in general. Twice twice are a specific trolls where you copy/past a past troll that your players did already, but change the outcome. Let's say your testers have to make an intricate triple jump with scout for going from A to B, So they take a couple of try, think about the scout air control, pass the troll , and get themself after some rooms in an other kind of the same design. you can manipulate their mind with same colors or same specific plaforms for having them doing the same inputs. And that's give you specific consistency of knowing what key my testers gonna push and what class they will be. If you can control that, by using specific visual cue, or something that they learn doing with your map and then get's trolled for learning the muscle memory of it is GREAT. Ultimately everything is a twice twice, cause troll is a gameplay of learning and so you gonna use the learned actions and reverse troll it like god intended to. In SMM or cat mario gameplay the first "twice twice" was the "3 same jump, but the last is a death trap" , and know we have a "is this the same room than before ?" meta and even a "Is this the same map than the last one ?" when the troll community in SMM got hystorically and known maps from specific creators. - "Pick a pipe" control. I didn't saw "pick a pipe" troll in your map, and kudos to that. Pick a pipe trolls are specific trolls where there gonna be a very shown, very "lazy" 2 way path where one is a direct death and the other is the good one. They are very known in deathruns, and.. can be very poor design when used first degree. not saying that in a bad way, lazy and false sense of lazyness is a great thing to manipulate in trolls, you just have to be aware of it and play "with" not "against" your testers TLDR : Controling the diversity and repetition of trolls categories and learning to empathise with your testers by asking yourself "If I didn't know this map, could a be missguided into doing a certain thing for 1hour" is the basic and efficient way to go designing trolls. Also, I don't want to make you doing trolls this specific way, I thing the existence of deathruns in TF2 and the specificity of TF2 gameplay should change a lot of stuff from SMM troll community. But I can give some of this know tips in SMM for getting more sharp in this wonderful discipline. Afterall You actually did each tips of my list at least one time in your map ! TY for your content, and the awesome video, there is a loooot more of it that I could talk about, all the metas and anti metas, all the flavor and the manipulation you can do. Even what's the gmod/tf2 community already had in there troll history with Horror maps or deathrun, but this wll be for another time take care everyone.

i love how at 5:35 zenith does a perfect family guy death pose.

"Are you trolling me right now?" *DEAD SILENCE.* "No :D"

Please make this a bigger map for multiple people to play on.

24:53 Zenith: "This is a easily map in the world dude." *miss the landing panics* me: "You were saying?"

This looks pretty fun. I think it probably would've been more fun competition wise if you'd stopped triggering the arrows manually earlier though.

i have thought of a strat step 1: go scout and push button step 2: go engi and attempt to make it to the top with the short circuit step 3: if fail repeat step 1 and 2, if not go to step 4 step 4: build teleporter exit and dispenser at the top area step 5: equip eureka effect or build a teleporter entrance at the bottom of the hill (it will break often) step 6: you can now skip the hill step 7: build a sentry step 8: sentry jump and grab the intelligence step 9: get down the hill (the hardest step) step 10: win

I think there's an important lesson to be taken here, and i think that everyone agrees Valve should add this map as an official map, and they should add a halloween version that requires you to complete it to get a contract done. This is what TF2 needs, there is no doubt.

touhou edit: 10:14 LMAO HE SAID IT

37:38 You _could_ get the intel that way, if you get up there - there's respawning ammo packs, so if you brought the wrangler you could sentry-jump up to it. Not sure it'd help on the downhill, though.

Not being able to complete this easy map has always seemed like a strange case to me

40:40 Zenith has entered his villain arc.

Zenith casually making it super far just by walking is hilarious

Lowkey, kinda wanna see someone get super good at this map and speed run it 👀

Funny Quotes from Blue "I would've accused this of being rigged against you, and i made the map"

I bet their mental health got destroyed after this "Insane troll map"

the fact that TWS could've had it done in like 20 minutes if it wasn't for his casino luck