I GUARANTEE You Have Not Heard This Baby Reindeer Take 

Enjoyed listening to this, but Teri's hair does not fall out because of dysphoria-induced depression; Martha rips a big chunk of it out during the attack in the pub.

I got a lot of crap for saying this but I feel like mental illness does not excuse criminal behavior. Saying we should feel bad for Martha is like saying we should feel bad for OJ since there was a good chance he had CTE.

Very strange take, to be honest. I dont think it's relevant to the issue. Sex was a big issue in the series, but it was the symptom, not the cause.

I always love Klavan for going art first, politics second. Mad respect, even when I disagree with the takes.

I loved how Klavan said, "Here's a little bit of the trailer" and it cut to an ad with a woman holding an axe selling me cannabis. Not part of the video, for sure, but an absolutely wonderful ad placement.

I feel like I need a shower just hearing about this.

My favorite part is when the reindeer has a baby, and then everybody looks at the baby reindeer. Beautiful. 😊

Everyone wants to simplify the human condition, good vs bad, right vs wrong. The reality is we are all shades of grey… life is complicated and most of us are simply doing our best. I thought this show did a good job of expressing how there is good and bad in all of us and life is full of questionable decisions… some beyond our control. There’s no happy ending or obvious winner or looser here which we’ve come to expect in movies. Real life just doesn’t work like that…

In all fairness the show was better that Jackson's paintings lol.

I watched this movie [series] this past weekend with my wife. The only disagreement I have with you is, I actually thought it was great.

I just finished watching the mini series on Netflix called "Twin Flames" about a cult that targets people that need to find acceptance and connection. It is devastating the lengths one will go to and the lies one will believe to have these two things. :(

I’m not really religious, or conservative, but I appreciated your takes on this. I sometimes can’t watch conservative or religious content if it’s very rigid, refusing to consider something or see it from another perspective. You offered some points I really agree with, and I was able to watch this all the way through and give it a like 👍🏻 This is how to have a conversation without hatred

Why do we need to know about this. Of course it’s devastating for a young person to be molested. It ruins lives.

Andrew, I have been a pastor for 20 years. You are truly a gifted Theologian who discerns the intermarriage between Theology and Spirituality. I appreciate your insight.

I would not watch Baby Reindeer, but I'm glad I didn't miss the review. Klavan has great insight into spirituality!

I actually liked how the show ended.I thought it was apt- He cannot escape the cage he is in, even if the cage is open, he goes back in or decides to stay in there. He is incapable of leaving. I remember thinking, 'this poor man needs Jesus.'

Before this video, I would never have watched this show. After this video, no version of me in all of the infinite dimensions will ever watch this show.

nothing comic about it..pure tragedy

We live in times where it is somehow my our yours responsibility to validate other people’s identity. It’s absurd.

It was a miss for me. Suspense and pacing was missing or inconsistent. Also it used that overused trope where he goes to the police station and the officer just “doesn’t believe him” for the sake of stretching the story into six episodes. Meanwhile all he had to mention is that the woman had been a notorious stalker and has been charged / in the news multiple times previously (and he later does this). Overall I was really frustrated with the main character and him being totally unfunny didn’t help.

Im not religious but this is a very important fact about relationships, it’s about wanting to be seen at the end of the day, and this is where we are now, and how we put so much emphasis on getting away from the shame and be really seen by our intimate relationships, but being entirely quietly desperate about it.

No thanks, there are many artful ways to express sin, the human condition and redemption without dumpster diving.

Interesting review of something that looks awful.

The CIA ruined Art by throwing money at people like Pollock et al...

Why tf was this recommended to me

I think that was a great reflection and take on the series.

The great question, Andrew Klavan asks while using “Baby Reindeer” as a medium, is: Where are you looking for yourself? He himself is preoccupied with finding this self in the entertainment industry, and he himself is certainly very entertaining and witty. But doesn’t he understand, that being in the entertainment modus is not conducive to finding anything but entertainment -? Certainly not your eternal self which it objects to and obstructs by all means! Can Andrew Klavan’s real self in fact be found among one of Kierkegaard’s refined aesthetic characters?

That's the biggest problem. These people don't even know that their misplaced sexuality is simply them refusing to understand that God defines who and what we are. Sexuality is not your identity; your identity is grounded in the reality of God.

Very good. You’re speaking truth.

Thank you! I know some conservatives are not going to watch the series and they are going to criticize it, calling it disgusting. Well… I thought it was very well made, and is such a good insight into why so many people are sexually confused. Sooo many people are traumatized and have PTSD. Sooo many people have been sexually abused, and that’s why they are confused and this miserable mess. There are a lot of hurt people out there. And it’s important not to only judge, but to understand. I’m sure there are even many conservatives who are sexually confused. Maybe they’ve had a gay experience or multiple, or maybe they have an issue like a straight sexual addiction, or a porn addiction, or a cheating problem. There’s a lot of problems people have. And instead of shaming yourself or shaming others, try to unpack WHY. Heal yourself. And heal others.

That was great, Mr. Klavan. Thank you!

Beautiful. The God of Love.. Not the series, it was dramatized..

Conservative here. Love baby reinday. Its so raw

I loved this analysis.

I disagree with your assessment as many offer a different take...

Excellent review Mr. Klavan! I watched Baby Reindeer and the subsequent interviews by the supposed real Martha. I would love to hear a review of her Piers Morgan interview

Brilliant analysis.

You were right, that was a totally different take and I truly appreciated it

Garbage through and through

Very concise summary of this series.

That is deep and awesome. Thanks.

Who Killed Bambi?

I will not be wasting my limited time watching a movie about that crap.

Thank you for an intelligent take on something I had no interest in viewing. It sounded like a slog through a stranger's trauma. Seeing a bit of the trailer here (and realizing it was supposed to be a comedy) made it even less appealing. Glad I didn't bother. Cheers.

I appreciate this breakdown!

Brilliant 👏 👏 👏 👏

Of course I already heard this take because you already fuckin put it out on Friday. Rerun

It's hard to believe that someone as educated as Klavan could make so obvious an error as to misinterpret Matt 7:1-3, the "judge not" verses, which was an admonishment by Christ to not be a hypocrite, not to never judge, not to judge others by a standard in which you do not meet instead of never standing up for any moral rectitude. It goes to show that you can take the leftist out of the left, but you can't possibly undo all the stupidities of the left inside him. And Klavan holds onto these stupidities more than most. He simply cannot deal with the fact he has a gay son and that this is at odds with a Christ-centered life. He refuses to make a choice between his son and the Son of God. And so, sadly, you can expect Jesus will tell Drew, "I never knew you."

Thank you for this refreshingly honest take on this. It's the first balanced review I have watched, you had me riveted from start to finish.

I don't think you get it at all

Such a good, non-ideological analysis of the show. Ben Shapiro is probably going crazy watching this video.

There’s no hate quite like Christian love.

Great take

I know, I know...late, well...really late. I have been a life long Christian. Now, we are in the world, not of it. Yeshua Jesus left His house and He walked among us. That was the big case...He disobeyed the rules. He ate with sinners and prostitutes, he cured pathetic people! How could anyone ever come to Yeshua Jesus if we didn't go out and have friends and good food and wine, great movies, music and laughter. The thing is to stay strong and follow Yeshua Jesus through it all without being holier than thou!! Well, Andrew, you know the drill! Blessings!!

I know that we often go overboard in the whole judgement thing, and perhaps we can blur the lines between the person and the sin, but I think the point here is that we're fighting for the principle. It isn't that we want homosexuality outlawed and gay people locked up. It's that we want society to acknowledge that it isn't a _good thing._ You might argue that it's a person's right to do heroin, but almost no one says that heroin is a good thing. Or that we should celebrate junkies, encourage them, and assist them to get high. We don't shame people for being anti-heroin. In the same way homosexuality is bad. It's bad for society and bad for individuals. We should treat it like heroin use as far as our attitudes towards it go. Obviously, art deals with all levels of the human condition, and exploring these things is a prerogative of art. But we reactionary conservatives aren't entirely in the wrong for being so reactionary, methinks. Because we know that there is a very large section of society that applauds the _degeneracy,_ rather than what the art reveals about the human condition. If we had a consensus about homosexuality being bad, then I think we would be less reactionary to the art. A lot of us anyway. You'll still get people (like me) who will just go 'blech, homo crap, no thanks' and tune out, but not so many. So, yeah, I think our attitudes are so reactionary because of the disturbed society we live in.

That was indeed great Mr. Klavan even if you say so yourself.

I watched the first four episodes with my wife… it was interesting in parts and depressing in others. Once the rape part happens it was getting to be a bit much. As I get older I am tired of seeing stories about willing or at least people who give up and become passive participants in their own life. Time is short and why waste my time on this when I can read or listen to something better. I mean classics like Twain or Dickens.

Donny is not trying to find his identity through his sexuality, he knows he wants to be a comedian and he's sexually abused by a man wanting to believe that this man was going to help him achieve his dreams and that traumatizes him, which leads him to explores his sexuality in different ways, and the Donny is very honest about not knowing whether he was always attracted to men or it came as a result of the abuse, to reduce this to "he wants to find his identity through his sexuality" is ridiculous and obviously your inserting your politics here. Also, the reason he couldn't be aroused by Teri is not because she's trans, it's because he was traumatized by the abuse... and you accuse the creator of not understanding his own show lmao.

The conservative echo chamber

They really call it a British Black Comedy? Lol

the trans subplot is being hidden, same with I saw the Tv glow

Sex is a poor substitute for religion. People have no purpose/meaning and sexual pleasure does not fulfill man’s search for meaning.

Sounds like a horror movie to me. Can't watch it. Can't even watch reviews of it, heard a bit on another channel, that's enough.

I didn’t really for sorry for Martha, tbh, but I didn’t feel sorry for the so-called protagonist either. He went back to his rapist so many times that he blatantly became a danger to himself (and others for not denouncing) so he is clinically mentally ill also. It’s not the mental illness that I have a problem with, it’s that somehow he tells a story where he is the victim, but he went back to Martha over-and-over again too. In this way, he is partly responsible for the situations he put himself through. When he went back to his rapist who offers him a job with pay, he sent a message that it pays off, which many people might believe is how the entertainment industry works. Just like all the women who made SA claims years after milking fame to feed their narcissism against Weinstein, Epstein and anyone else. Anyone realize how many people get SAed that get no special treatment, attention or cash settlement bc they don’t seek out attention who did nothing to facilitate their SA? I don’t like the victim-mentality … that pays off if you let the right people exploit you message that this sends. But I suppose it’s a reflection of the times. Which is tragic.

Honestly every time I watch a good show the second series is full of man hate etc and it's boring.

Sounds like a shit movie that's a woke version of "Fatal Attraction" meets "Crying Game." WTF Klavan?

If you're going to make an entire video on this, please take the time to learn how to pronounce his name correctly, (which is a very easy name). It distracts from the point you're trying to make, and it's just good journalism.

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Andrew⁉️ I honestly think this beneath you and a waste of My And everyone else's time.

This seems boring and played out as hell. Rape bad, stalking bad, sexuality, human condition, blah, blah, blah. Why should I care?

Your opinion on Jackson Pollock should not be stated as a fact

You can find your identity in having a family. Sterility can never lead to identity.

More woke BS CRAP

I always hate the comments on videos like this because everybody here collectively shares two brain cells. You clearly did not watch the video or take anything of value from it (like the interesting point at 12:45), so don't leave random comments about how "No like show because trans bad". Goodness.

Klavan kept watching the whole series even after the trans and lgbt relationships and scenes as early as season 2😂😂😂😂

Christian and asexual- still feel this "take" is missing the mark and oversimplified.

Why did klavan call the trans stalker a "she/her"? Between this and believing in the concept of same sex marriage, i wonder how he can call himself conservative?

Teri's upset because Martha attacked her and pulled her hair out. Not because she's not sure of who she is. She's really the strongest person in the entire show.

As a snowflake and mental health professional, I was fully prepared to hate this video, but ended up really impressed by your knowledge, depth, and balance. Thank you.

While I appreciate your review, I won't watch this because I am not defined as a spiritual person by my sexuality. I also don't demonize others but one side thinks the other is crazy and moves on while the other side thinks we should be exterminated for our beliefs. Big difference. I agree that the right can't pull the trigger to move us forward as a species but I also believe there will come a time when the left gives us no other choice and it will not end well for either side.

So good. Every Christian needs to see this.

No doubt she's a weirdo but so is he and he brought it upon himself and encouraged her to a certain extent. The best part of the series was the soundtrack. The rest was guff

Damn thos besserwisser really does not understand Kirkegård at all 😂😂😂