I really agree. At first I thought meh the little brother... And then I was really into his investigation and wanted to know what they were hiding. And it also cleverly connected to the Lucy part of the story.
9:07 The way I'm interpreting it is that Lucy believes that her mum died in 2277 because that's what she's been told her whole life whereas in reality, I think that is the date that her mum left Vault 33 for the surface. I think I remember Hank saying that her mum died in 2277 as well but also said that she stopped being Lucy's mum the moment she left the vault aka to him, she was dead from that moment onwards
In star wars uncle Ben tells Luke his father is dead and later explained that when he became darth vader the man who was his father had died. This is the same scenario I thought when I watched the seaso finally I'm glad someone else has finally said what I was thinking 🤣🤣🤣
She took the kids with her, so the Mum was dead when she died. Lucy even talks about her surface memories in one scene where she says she thought the sun was real until after her Mum died. So she actually remembered being in real fields under the real Sun.
I haven't watched it yet, but my mom accidentally turned it on when I was around and my brain immediately went "is that fallout" after hearing the first 10 seconds playing so it seemed they got the vibes down, and I've been intrigued since. Glad to hear it's enjoyable, gunna have to check it out
Here's how to explain the blackboard: Little Timmie was asked to come up front and put down the dates, but he was wrong and was fed to the radroach farm.
solid 8/10 and Im glad it came out all at once, I watched it over 2 days and loved it. If I had to watch it over an 8 week span it'd been rated a bit lower because there was some clunker episodes (Vault 4, Brotherhood centric scenes) that I would have hated if I had to wait another week to see the next but because I was able to move on to the next episode it didnt affect my enjoyment of the show
So there's only 8 episodes and at least one is a clunker? What does that say about the show? I haven't seen [the show], but I've heard people allude to the editing (way they cut together the different stories) being odd at times
@@flaminghead1va thats true, but because of the fact that I could move on to the next episode it doesnt affect my rating. It has its issues, but they dont take away from the overall enjoyment because theres more good then bad and the fact that I dont have to wait a week to erase the bad allows me to get over them quickly
Todd Howard did an interview with IGN (I think) and stated that the bombing happened after the events of New Vegas he said the timeline is tight but it happens after. Take it for what you will I'm just saying what he said.
Sounds to me like they probably just futzed the timeline a little, changed some things partway through writing the show, and then didn't notice the effect that had on the timeline elsewhere. I imagine they'll try to patch it up later
@@swiftlymurmurs I think it's more audience misinterpretation, On the blackboard showing the 'timeline' people think the 2277 date is also the date shady sands was nuked, but the 2277 is actually a reference to the first battle of hoover dam. Then theres and arrow pointing from left to right insinuating that it was nuked at some point after that but people seem to have assumed 2277 is the year it was destroyed. Though admittedly, they could have made that a little clearer, perhaps the board should have said NCR overstretched or something along those lines.
The way I saw it was the fall of Shady Sands was the first battle for the Hoover Dam in 2277. So many NPCs you talk to in FNV say how the NCR is stretched too thin and corrupt now. Then the nuke happened right after the events of FNV. Keeps the timeline intact just fine, and anything we get about the Lucy and Maximus backstories not lining up time-wise is just them being unreliable narrators (they were kids, makes sense)
I think the simple answer is that they wanted the timeline to be vague. "The fall of Shady Sands" happened at the same time as the First Battle of Hoover Dam. President Kimball sending troops to occupy the Mojave is what lead to the NCR's downfall, we just don't know how, exactly, which means we don't yet know which of New Vegas' endings was canon. Nothing was retconned. I can't wait for the second season.
I remember finding out that Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening was a direct sequel to LoZ: A Link to the past (I found out circa 2004, over 10 years after the release). My head exploded, because Zelda games just.... didn't have "sequels" or "continuity," each was kind of its own thing. And I just got used to that being the way of it. So, the TV series having different continuity than the game, really doesn't *seem* like a big deal. I remember watching the Watchmen movie in theatres (and V or Vendetta, to a lesser extent), and *knowing:* things were different from the comic books, because *movies* are not *comics.* These are adaptations, definitionally: things are going to be different.
6:00 your comment on the WoW Movie immediately made me think of the much better and fun to watch recent DnD Movie! Its about a small group and their story in that setting. And what the TV Adaptations of Witcher and Halo miss is exactly your point: The TV writers wanted to tell their own story and feel stuck with a franchise they have no connection to. But you cant just change stuff freely. The Witcher and Halo Stories that are told through books or games were already made by writers to fit the tales and style of story they wanted to tell.
I always recommend others the recent DnD Movie as: "Oceans Eleven in a quirky fantasy setting". Thats why its such a great but easy to digest movie. Its not trying to establish every bit of lore or takes itself to seriously. Fallout, Arcane, Edgerunners show why the worlds they are set in are so interesting to fans.
Also, the reveal 33 is just a breeding vault I took Lucy's casual nature around it to be ingrained in their culture to have sex, have kids, and keep breeding for the future.
When I saw the trailer, I wasn't excited but I did want to see it. I thought if it's not good then, Goggins was gonna be the momoa of fast x type character. But I found it to be really good.
For me, I played Fallout 3, New Vegas & 4 briefly (never completed them). But this show sparked my interest into getting to understand the world and all of the lore. I'm super tempted to dive back into the games and learn about the vaults and the factions on the surface - In recent days my RU-vid algorithm is recommending me ALL of the Fallout lore essays because I was already dipping my toes in the irradiated water of the world (can't wait for my extra toes to blossom). So yeah, I'd say the series achieved it's goal for me.
I watched the entire series in one go and honestly couldn't sleep untl i finished it lmao! I was guessing some things as the show went on and it was so satisfying to have most of the twists tied up by the end of series one, but of course we can see new issues the characters have to deal with on the horizon. The supermutant and death claw Easter eggs were great and I i loved the mix of seeing present day characters vs their past selves and struggles pre bomb. Really interesting multifaceted characters. Of course the "war, war never changes" line was amazing to hear! And Mr house having an appearance still as a human - I'm hoping we revisit him in new vegas!
I loved it aswell. So much to talk about, but the Fallout references were so seemless it was beautiful. The organ harvesters. was such a classic Fallout "quest" and of course you come out with a ton of loot, after wrecking havoc. The Waterchip reference! The whole contrast of Coop and Lucy. He is the maxed out player and she is the fresh new player. Or max in skill vs max in morals. It was also very topical, with the past scenes and the power of the private industriel complex. But that is a whole other discussion. Really good actors all around. Gotta correct Jesse a bit tho Maclean and Mclane is not the same. Norm the actor and character was great, but it threw me off how little they looked alike as a family. Last but not least a retorical question: If you have a Vault where fish and human interbreeding in a theme. Where does the Caviar come from.
it takes some pretty good acting to make me actually feel bad for the guy cause he can't fool around with his cousin anymore. Like wtf? But just the dejected look on his face made you actually empathize with him. And then I'm like wait, that's messed up, why am I feeling sorry for him? lol
I played the first two Fallout games back in the day and watched others play the newer ones. From what I remember and have seen the show did a great with everything. I watched it all in two days. I kind of wish there was more too. Now I have to watch season 2 of Foundation and try and understand why it has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. I watched the first episode, I'm dumbfounded.
For the dates I'd just think it would be funny if the teacher was just like " oh I don't care if the dates are wrong its more about the people and what they went through, plus these dates are easier for the kids to remember." So its more of a comedic thing, and silly that a historian/teacher would change the dates or care so little about them as oppose to it being the actual set in stone dates.
im still surprised the brotherhood is still around considering they have about the same track recorded as the enclave, the ones from fallout 3 around about the most competent of all the brotherhood which isnt saying much considering they only succeeded thanks to the player character
They had to... Take a faction like NCR or Brotherhood of Steel or The Enclave or any of the factions, if they were levt to thrive, how long before they cleaned up and civilized the wasteland? What setting would the next game be set in, Fallout with no super mutants or ghouls or ruins or any of that? So they need to have those factions mess upp and fail time after time or there will be no Fallout. This is also why they are never erased completley so they can be used the next time a faction get's to strong. So yes NCR is out there and so is the Enclave and all the rest of them. Many people have a hard time to see that.
Doesn't that essentially mean the death of the NCR and the birth of several new factions? Strange none of them show up. At least, until you realize Bethesda Fallout is incapable of exploring any setting that isn't a neolithic wasteland.
@@Imfphas20 That is what Fallout is. How fun would a Fallout game be where there are no ghouls or Super Mutants or mutated enemies at all. No ruins to explore, no new lore to discover nothing. "Welcome to the NCR please hand in your guns and don't spit on the sidewalk." This is why all the faction have to fail when they get to strong, or we would not have any more Fallout games.
@@BolinFoto That's exactly what FNV is not and why people like it. Super Mutants, the FEV, and ghouls all play a minor part (and muties are not just fodder NPCs in it). They got creative and made factions major antagonists/forces while also exploring new creatures.
@@Imfphas20 Yes minor parts is the key words. But NCR didn't play a minor part they had almost all of California, and then the Legion had almost all of the midwest. That's too big and powerful and when it comes to writing a story you paint yourself into a corner with that. there is no room for new things, so the NCR had to go. Let's say the NCR was still there and Lucy left the vault, then what? All she needed to do was to go the nearset NCR police station and report the crime and then sit and wait for the NCR to deal with it. Fun show that would have been. This happens in all the Fallout games that one factions mess up and get's creamed en then in the next game some other faction is the biggie that mess up and get's creamed and on it goes.
In case New Vegas was not one of them, I offer my recommendation now. It can be treated as a standalone. Yes, it is my favorite. Also, I strongly suggest completing each without mods before experimenting. Some mods* are great but they really do change the gameplay experience into something new and not compareable.
The Fallout series did it what most of the adaptations should do or should have done. Respect and follow the source material. And ofc i could mention who did the same and i am very glad for those too. But there is few series or movies what adapted our beloved game or anime series so bad. And yeah i never rly played Fallout games(wich will change now soon) but still i VERY loved and enjoyed the first season and can't wait season 2.
Kinda crazy, Fallout 4 has had 100k+ players on steam today, with every day it getting larger. This is the highest playercount the game has had since launch.
I definitely agree about the video game adaptations needing to tell their own stories. Trying to do a straight adaptation of the game into a movie won't always work because games are an interactive medium the way that games tells stories is inherently going to be different. Sometimes telling a straight story from beginning to end via film or tv will work for a video game, absolutely. But sometimes the point of a video game is to experience it in your own way, interactively and non sequentially. and trying to force that into a film format is just not going to work sometimes
I loved the series, with the exception of the Shady Sands stuff. I like the sets, Walter being a goblin, the dependency on real world props and not CGI, its depiction of brutality in the wastes, Power Armor actually looks and feels badass. There are no real good guys and morality is slowly being chipped away in the best of people. I want the Mysterious Stranger in season two so bad and Lucy being, 'What the fuck?' I'm not fond of the destruction of Shady Sands because it may set a precedent I don't like. I don't want Shady Sands to be destroyed, but it happening is not anathema to me; bad stuff happens in the wasteland all the time. It's that it was destroyed to prove some nebulous point that "surface dwellers bad, vault dweller good" and that Lucy's mom took the kids because she didn't trust dad. Dad then killed thousands and made an enemy of the NCR... and nothing came of it. Shady Sands getting destroyed ended up being as a means to make a bad guy look bad without any of the fallout of the actions of committing a warcrime. Where are the bounties for his head? It's just such a major thing to change with so very little payoff. I do not understand. I get why New Vegas players are worried and upset because they don't want the same thing to happen to the city or Hoover Dam.
My friends and I binged the entire season of Fallout in one night in Discord it was a wild ride. I love so much about this show. The Ghoul was fantastic, the Power Armors looked great, and Lucy was so likable. Plus the music fit so well. Hell, my buddies and I are now playing, god helps us Fallout 76 because of the free giveaway, I also reinstalled Fallout 4. Even if you've never played a Fallout game, after this show you need to. I also love this series is canon, and excited to see where it goes. We need more series like Fallout and less of the Halo Series. Also, fun note my buddies and I spent hours trying to figure out where we'd seen Kyle MacLachlan from, not realizing at first he was Paul Atreides. Man, we all felt like idiots even more so because we were talking about Dune but the original and the new.
Show is great. Made me replay Fallout classic. Gonna start playing F2 again too but it's much more of an investment timewise. I just wish Obsidian gets to do another real Fallout game.
Having the right people involved when it comes to adapting a video game to be a show or a movie is probably the biggest hurdle in my opinion. Its also no coincidence that Fallout and Last of Us were as good as they were when the game studios/the head person, are involved. Neil was HEAVILY involved with the Last of Us show. Todd was there to make sure things made sense and lined up and to answer questions. They were involved in the process which matters alot. Then you have the Halo show where its just trash. As far as I know 343 just gave them the files for them to look over like lore/artwork, etc etc, they weren't involved like Todd/Neil along with their studios, were. The saddest thing about the Halo show is that there is some genuinely good scenes scattered all throughout the dumpster fire of two seasons, while they butcher the story and lore at the same time. I know I left out Arcane but they are the rare case of the actual game studio(to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong) being behind everything that wasn't the animation.
The explanation of what happened to Shady Sands was so heartbreaking. The fact that Vault Tec thought anyone thriving on the surface was competition to their ultimate goal is just... yeesh. I never pictured Shady Sands being as well developed as what we're shown in the show, but I guess it makes sense. They went from a dirt patch to a fully governed territory in decades. New Vegas only solidifies this since NCR is such a huge presence in the Mojave. I came out of the show with one burning question (besides the obvious ones about Coop and which ending of FO4 is canon for the show): how's the Enclave still around? Did the remnants rebuild and, if so, who's in charge now?
Spoilers The "fall" was the dad (pre-war Vault Tec) attacking the city using Las Vegas? then nuking the NCR from what I gathered. Which as a fan of the NCR is perfect - it didn't fail because of the people or the NCR's ideals. They're still the shining beacon they were in new vagas - they were destroyed by the very thing that destroyed the old world because capitalism and to me that is *chefs kiss* such a fallout concept (and a little too real honestly). Though contrary to Todd I think you can do beacons of safety and civilization in a post-apocalypse setting
The show definitely has me wanting to jump back into the games. Fallout 4 has a Next Gen update coming on the 25th. I dont use many mods, so im not concerned with them breaking. Most of the good mods will be fixed within a week, anyway. FO4's main storh isn't good, but there is a lot of great side content. Its portrayal of the BoS is my favorite. After seeing the power armor in the show, i feel like playing as a heavy weapons BoS initiate.
@CantankerousDave Well, yeah. FO London uses Script Extender, which always needs to update a few lines of code with any update. That's the nature of modding, changes to the main game require changes to mods. The timing is inconvenient, true. But the guys working on London are pretty talented, and the delay won't be long.
its weird, i watched the scene where they literally said in plain english multiple times "shady sands was founded after the war, but then it got nuked anyway!?" and im wondering if that has some hint as to whether shady sands was founded after the war and it just got nuked again anyway. seriously, they walk up to the billboard which explicitly states ncr founded shady sands in 2141, and lucy literally says "wow they founded this place after the great war?" and then multiple characters find out almost simultaneously that vault tec sent lucys dad to nuke the city because it showed that humanity could recolonize without having lived in the vaults. how are people this confused about the literal main plot thread for lucy/norm? thats like playing all of fallout three, and being shocked that the water gets purified at the end even though the entire story revolves around activating a water purifier.
I don't see too many people talking about this but I don't like the chickens. Everything that came from the old world agriculture (brahmin etc) were either mutated or simply didnt survive. So seeing these perfect chickens with no mutations or even the wear of survival in the nuclear wasteland breaks some immersion.
The show was great. My honest hope is that writers and producers realize that you can respect the source material while being able to do your own thing. Shows like the Witcher, Halo and Rings of Power are clear examples of people that thought they were above the source material and could do it better, thus failing spectacularly in the process. The Fallout show was filled with small little details that players could spot immedialty and enjoy, but someone unfamiliar with the games wouldn't even notice them or have their experience diminished by an unfamiliar reference. The story was able to stand on its own, while capturing the atmosphere of the games perfectly and I can't wait for season 2. On a final note, this show gives me hope for the Warhammer 40k adaptation that is also under Amazon, I hope that gets the same level of respect and quality that this one did.
Gotta remember who Hank is working for and they have no problem lying, tricking and doing all manner of horrible things to further their own personal goals. I think he is 100% capable of lying to his daughter to get his way. But yes, I'd love to know just enough to theory craft on it.
"I dont think people are, like, furious and upset..." Narrator: people were in fact, like, furious and upset. I agree though, after so many bad-faith adaptations its nice to see someone who wanted to tell a Fallout story, rather than use Fallout to tell their story, if that makes sense.
I know I am in the minority but the inconsistent nature of the dates and how the NCR was handled did annoy me enough to where my enjoyment of the show was lessened. The show is great and does a lot right but as a long time fan the treatment of one of the series largest and strongest factions really got to me. I am not even against it happening but it should have been a much larger focus of the plot IMO. I want to know how the rest of the NCR responded to what happened and why it seems like it was a total collapse after this one major event in one city. Also it was really annoying they got the location wrong and moved Shady sands to the boneyard in LA rather than where it actually was.
I was honestly surprised at how bloody the show was. I mean sure, it reflects the game a lot, but I thought it would have watered down for a PG13 rating.
why can't we have a heroic gene-spliced Hyena named Catscratch instead of always getting a Dogmeat? at least Rex was a cyberdog but no, for the show we just a normal dog. again.
BOOOO yt for canceling 5min gaming news. Hey @JesseCox how about a weekly segment called Jesses thoughts on geekenders? Help me guys jesse needs to see this we all wanna know whats on his mind😅😂
Lucy's intro was straight up character creation with her listing the perks she has, and the smile on my face damn near swallowed my ears when I realized it. In my opinion, I think all three central characters started in a Fallout game's (probably Fallout 4) character creator, then the director and writers developed them from there.
When I see each of them, I keep seeing like characteristics perks and stats popping in my mind. Norm is like Small Frame, hacking, intelligent and speech like he’s sister. Maximus intelligence is below avg, but not too low. Or maybe it is with he’s little dialogue. High charisma or luck? That people supports him despite what he’s done. Definitely “More critical”. He don’t fight that well but when he does get into it. Huge damage occurs. Killed the bear in just two shots. Took out first few of the raiders trying to get the armour after he woke up and got serious. The scientist definitely had high luck with the turret.
I was in the same boat, but I decided to try it out because I was desperate for any new Fallout content. It's honestly not awful, but it doesn't measure up to the other games. It's structured as an MMO, so the NPC's are more infrequent and have less to say than the other games. The carrying capacity is also a pain to deal with.
The game would be great - if it wasn't an MMO. It just doesn't work very well as one. If it was a privately hosted co-op, it would be significantly better. Being an MMO just makes the world feel inconsistent, the weird mix of solo and party missions completely breaks the gameplay loop and the server lag is very noticeable when others are nearby.
@@YOGI-kb9tg On one hand, yeah an arrow on a timeline means "later." On the other, why not put a date under the bomb? Some have said it is to "deliberately keep it vague," but I've yet to hear a good reason to do so.
Also it was an idea the showrunner suggested to Todd before anyone comes in here screaming about Todd having some weird hatred for the original games/NV for some odd reason.
@MasterKjK I believe the implication is that the fall and the nuke are two different events. It seems like Shady Sands was no longer the capital of the NCR so the economic loss may have resulted in it going from a massive hub of civilization to a bit of a backwater. Or the set design people just made a mistake.
I'm leaning on production mistake for that one. 2277 is roughly the same date as the first battle of hoover dam, and while "fall" could mean a lot, having the place nuked would completely overshadow anything that happened in the years prior to that.
@@joshuadarrow I'd probably agree with that. In most shows a small mistake like that would probably be missed or overlooked. Fallout fans however are pretty rabid about the lore. 🤣
I personally don't know any of the exact time lines. However, from what I got in the show was most of the time lines all came down to lies and propaganda from Hank and Vaultec which in my opinion seemed pretty smart from the showrunners so that it could be up to the viewers to fill the gaps with context from games. Perhaps Max or other characters will fix it up season 2. Also squires can be any age really, Max seemed like he kept messing up (or just getting unlucky with his Knights) which would make sense that he's an older squire. Loved the show and love your channel
I wish they had tied the nuking of shady sands in with the bombardment Ulysses fired at the NCR from the divide in the lonesome road DLC making that cannon but oh well😅
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that bombardment is something you can stop, yes? If so. It's better that they didn't do that, because that would lock in a specific ending to that DLC, and invalidate all other player choices. I think that's part of the reason we so rarely get fallout games that take place in the same part of the country. I'm a setting like fallout, I feel like location is the difference between an historical fact, and a story.
That would mean respecting lore created outside of Bethesda. It's clear Bethesda is willing to trash the old lore whenever it impedes their creative decisions.
@@Imfphas20the show adaptation was incredibly faithful and used old lore from even 1 and 2 constantly. Shut up about you goddamn hate boner for Bethesda no one cares man it’s played out at this point.
@@Imfphas20 I mean maybe, but there was *so* much New Vegas stuff there in the last couple of episodes that I think the time for assuming that Bethesda has an axe to grind with the popularity of New Vegas is kind of over. It's been 15 years. Obsidian generally isn't interested in working on someone else's IP after all the bad experiences they had. I don't think there's a beef. And whether it was the showrunners or anyone else there were *clearly* New Vegas fans behind the wheel. Any implication that Shady Sands was bombed out of existence before New Vegas was clearly unintended. It's been clarified at this point that the bombing of Shady Sands is meant to take place right after New Vegas. Given that several (or was it just one guy? My memory is hazy so maybe I'm remembering the same thing twice or something?) Fallout veterans had already said that the expansion and growth of the NCR was taking Fallout too far away from it's roots and they would likely have gotten rid of it if they were still in charge of the story... I always felt like if we were ever to return to the West Coast in the Fallout series the NCR would need to be gone or fractured. New Vegas was kind of setting up for that, showing how the NCR was really crumbling under it's own weight even in a best-case scenario. Tying the bombing to Ulysses is something I would have disliked. I don't care if they retcon or pick canon endings for Fallout 4. But don't tell me my Courier straight up *failed* Lonesome Road or that the outcome was entirely different to what I achieved. That's not respecting Old Lore. That'd be disrespecting players. If they have to pick a canon ending for certain things I'm fine with that, but doing it just to somehow flex that they played New Vegas would be both superfluous and disrespectful of the players investment in their own version of the stories. Still, the fact that Ulysses *could* access and make use of an old nuclear base like that also makes it very clear that it's not a big stretch for Vault-Tec remnants to manage the same thing. So knowing the New Vegas story still helps strengthening that of the show in this regard, knowing that the ability to drop nukes wasn't just pulled out of a hat because the show wanted it's "Holdo Maneuver". If anything *not* tying it directly to Ulysses, but still being able to lean back on that as an indication that there's still plenty of un-launched nukes around shows that they *did* respect the lore established by Obsidian *without* feeling the need to rewrite it to stroke their own egos, I'm an Obsidian fanboy and generally don't like most of what Bethesda does. (Fallout 4 has good gameplay by the standards of the series, but dear *god* that writing.) But the whole "Bethesda has it out for *real* Fallout" thing is getting hella old and tired and quite frankly sounds like it's coming from a very childish world-view. It's a little embarassing to watch since pretty much any OG fan of New Vegas kind of has to be a full adult at this point.
@@HellaGust The presence of elements from FNV by itself does not mean much. There's plenty of OT stuff in the Disney Star Wars films but the lore is far from respected. The next part is citing opinions, not much to say there. Any future entry must accept various choices that were made by player characters. You could side with the Master in Fallout 1, but the lore (and those players who did) were not disrespected by Fallout 2 acknowledging an ending where the Master loses. I don't even care that Bethesda doesn't respect the old lore. But I don't like people peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining. You can like the show, cool, but don't sing to me of qualities it doesn't possess.
Another thing I think they did was that Lucy showed good karma choices, the ghoul showed negative karma choices, and Maximus the neutral blend of the two.
The collapse of the NCR was something House explicitly wanted to prevent (which is why you stop the assassination of Kimball). No ending other than Ulysses nuking the NCR implies what is seen in the show
@@Imfphas20 House wanting to prevent the collapse of the NCR isn't necessarily the same as him succeeding in that goal if another player with greater influence decided they *did* want the Republic to collapse. I feel like what happened with Shady Sands happened *regardless* of how New Vegas panned out. And this would also let them be kind of vague on who actually won the second battle of Hoover Dam in the show. The big thing is basically whether or not House will appear in the show. Beyond that what happens in New Vegas only matters to the survival of the NCR if we assume that there weren't forces *outside* of the New Vegas factions working against the NCR, which the show confirms there being. So while New Vegas isn't retconned, no particular ending is more or less appropriate than any other. The Legion could've won then fallen to bits after the death of Caesar, leaving the Mojave more or less as it was before the Legion and NCR started fighting over it. Or the NCR won but fell to internal power struggles regardless of the attempts of House to keep that from happening. Or the Vault-Tec remnants or other nefarious organizations we have not yet encountered (*is* there actually enough of the Enclave left for Wilzig to be from there, or was that misdirection?). To anyone in that meeting of corpo heads or those following in their footsteps the NCR would be the biggest threat to their idea of letting humanity wipe itself out and then coming in to pick up the pieces. Any number of hitherto unseen factions would have had the NCR in their crosshairs. House's reach in the best-case scenario didn't really reach beyond the Mojave. Without help from The Courier he could barely keep The Strip in line. You're right that Ulysses nuking the NCR would be one of the end-states most likely to trigger the republic collapsing even before Shady Sands was nuked. But I find it fairly unlikely that the showrunners is gonna tie the NCR's collapse to any particular choice or quest outcome achieved by the player in New Vegas. New Vegas was generally making a point of the potential collapse of the NCR looming large even if the Legion was defeated. Caesar in his megalomania saw himself as the arbiter of civilization's salvation by forcing the NCR into a shape that could survive through a conflict he was never expecting to win in the long run. Now I do think Mr. House is boss enough that they might well have him around in Season 2 which would make a specific ending canonical. But they could also just pass it off as the *real* House having survived, hiding somewhere while waiting for all the chaos to blow over. Or have that final shot of New Vegas be a bit of a fakeout and not dwell there very long and just leave it vague. Lots of possibilities without needing to commit to a hard retcon.
They might try to avoid saying who won. I heard they told the writers they need to avoid canonizing endings. So I'm also interested in the approach they are going to take.
Theres no way we wont see the major mojave peeps like House and the Legion, but they'll probably go for a middleground thats vague so as to not step on the game's toes and to keep the focus on the tv plot
I thought the show made it pretty clear that Shady Sands was established after the fall and Lucy's dad/VaultTec managed to set off another bomb in Shady Sands to force their sunk cost theory (that only vaulted humans would survive or thrive) to be true.
If this is true then this makes either Mr House/Yes Man/Caesars legion ending canon. Interesting playing New Vegas knowing no matter that the NCR is destined to collapse no matter what happens.
Shady Sands was unique in Fallout in that it was never occupied ruins, it was all new construction. I think the show kind of abandoned that considering the height of the buildings.
@@cory6266 Maybe. We also dont know what type of tech they used other than the EDEN. Mouldaver is as old as Cooper and not a ghoul, but I dont think she was in cryo-stasis.
SPOILER ALERT. I was really annoyed by the destruction of the NCR, mainly because it seems like they got it out of the way just to simplify the world where the plot takes place and not have to worry about a form of government, economy, etc. and make everything more post-apocalyptic-y. Going back to WoW, it's like if someone made a Scarlet Crusade series and to get out of trouble with the faction system said "Thrall broke his neck coming out of the shower and the Horde disbanded, so Undercity has to fend for itself."
Todd Confirmed official cannon: NCR is not dead, just removed from this area and Shady Sands destroyed. They still exist in other areas. He said “you haven’t seen the last of the NCR is all I can say…”
@epicfox567 But that's silly. Why would the NCR not have a presence in the area of their former capital? At least people working for an investigation of what happened.
@@stevemcgroob4446they did. At the observatory. Decent amount of them too. Probably had multiple missions going. I'm just disappointed we didn't have an NCR POV character to show some of it more.
@@epicfox567 So the show takes place in what is supposed to be the heartbeat of the NCR and the NCR isn't there... at all... My suspicion is that Fallout 5 is going to happen on the West Coast and the NCR was an annoyance to deal with
It really just feels like FNV and its events, factions and characters are ... being nerfed and pushed aside or remade into weird things that they wouldn't be. NCR being reduced to scavengers, being nuked, then becoming cultists is just...unsatisfying and weird. NV seems to be a wasteland and that makes it feel like the events after the game are being made out to be well, swiped away or disposed of off screen. It's not fun. Also not a fan of well having a determined specific cause of the bombs dropping directly told to us, unless i'ts a ruse. Cause that is genuinely disappointing to hear that they say it's vaulttec that nuked the world. Everthing else is well, pretty good besides this point and some weird stuff about ghoul drugs that make you into a ghoul being...a thing that happened more than once. Not quite on board with that.
What annoys me more is people that are ignoring the handful of plot holes and nonsensical bullshit. Don't get me wrong, the show is fun and I enjoyed it. But like if Vault 31 was all cryo-pods how the fuck did the Overseer get Vault 32 cleaned up overnight while also not letting anyone else realize what Norm and Chet did that 32 had been ruined for years? Or how the hell would the drug dealers be running an organ harvesting operation AND keeping feral ghouls locked up? Or the drug itself to pretend ghouls from going feral? That is not something that has ever been in the story before.
Here is one major assumption everyone keeps making, that I really don't think you should...you assume the people of the wasteland know what year it is. But with over two hundred years of no actual education, no working clocks or mechanical time keeping at all, quite possibly a complete abandonment of leap years, and potentially months long drug fueled benders it is entirely possible that NOBODY actually knows the actual date, and are all just based on some estimate someone made decades before. And you sure as hell can't trust anything Vault Tech says about it or anything else.
The issue I have with the show is that it feels like Bethesda's way to basically turn back the clock on the West Coast. The east coast Fallout (Bethesda's) is exactly how Jesse describes it. A Post Apocalypse that doesn't take itself seriously. Megaton is alone. Rivet City is alone. All the small outposts in the waste are basically alone. They dont' work together send trade to each other or anything. Fallout 4 introduced the idea of settlements. but it also shows that no one was really rebuilding in the east. Diamond city is the lone area, and your character basically rebuilds the rest of the commenwealth. Bethesda is stuck in the "Immediate Aftermath" mode of the post apocalypse. Fallout 1 was sort of like that, but they still had the Caravans. They had people going town to town trading water and goods to keep people together. it was already established. Fallout 2 expanded it, now you have actual functioning cities that are becoming like they were in the old world before the bomb. Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas deals with a POST -Post apocalypse. Dealing with the issues that comes after the dust settles and you go "what now". The story of those games dealt with what the answers were for "We survived, how do we now thrive?" The Master wanted to uplift humanity to be perfectly adapted to the new world, weather the people wanted to or not. Enclave wanted to just go back to the way it was before. To keep this short. What the Fallout TV show right now feels like, is resetting this world back to "Post Apocalypse". The Enclave has "somehow returned", The BoS was nearly wiped out in Fallout New Vegas, yet now are just as powerful as the NCR were. And the NCR has basically been reduced to raiders/settlers/vault dwellers. It feels like Bethesda shot the West Coast dead, and replaced it with the East Coast wearing a cowboy hat.
Just as you're saying, bethesda has a boner for the forever "immediately after the apocalypse" and refuse to explore what actually happens once the dust is settled and people can recover.
I get what youre tryna say but they only showed a tiny tiny bit of the NCR we don't have any evidence that the NCR was destroyed, keep in mind that their territory was massive by FNV and moving the capital and losing shady sands and new vegas isnt really a big deal considering how huge NCR was. Its only been 8 episodes so far so I think we won't know whats going on in the wider world until next season
Not every enclave outpost was destroyed, there are three known that haven’t been touched by the game plots. As to the NCR, this great government entity was in absolute shambles during NV. So much so they were getting their ass handed to them by a group of raiders cosplaying as Romans. With multiple references to the main land deteriorating and losing control. So much so that you actively have to work harder to help them following their path in game with nearly double the missions. The game tells you outright nothing is ever going to change, there is no power that’s going to make the world whole again. War never changes.
The Brotherhood probably swelled in numbers after the fall of Shady Sands. The NCR we don't actually know how much of it is left, I am guessing the other major cities exist still, at least until they confirm otherwise. Anyways, there's a lot of warring factions the reset isn't exactly surprising. Heck, Lonesome Road has multiple endings where the NCR is nuked, this isn't a new thing. Even without Lonesome Road, the NCR themselves admit they're in decline and faltering.
@@davidbodor1762the brotherhood swelled in numbers for sure. Whole lot of Roman names in that brotherhood all of a sudden. Feel they go well with their new red flag.
Honestly don't feel they got the humor right and the filming was just not that great. First 2 episodes were meh, but once they started focusing on the ghoul it got much better.
76 is actually a decent game now. they made it so you can basicly play it like 4 and just see other people running around. but i enjoy myself. got it for like 7 euro in steam sale
7:34 It doesn't. Tod Howard himself has come out in an interview and confirmed that the events of New Vegas still happened and the nuking of Shady Sands happens some time after the events of NV
Honestly, I had zero expectation for this show going in and came out very positively surprised. Most video game adapations on TV these past few years have actually been surprisingly great, compared to the complete crap we were handed for decades prior and I'm very happy about it. Really had me itching to jump back into Fallout 4 actually, maybe a VR playthrough. So it definitely achieved it's goal in that regard.
Shows/Movies that show of the world and tell their own stories in those worlds, showing the interesting lore around them off, seems to do well. Think Fallout, Arcane, Edgerunners, Last of Us, even the recent DnD Movie. But we also get showrunners who think "they know better" and dont really want to connect with the franchise they are making and consequently dont understand why its interesting in the first place. Thats what happened with The Witcher, Halo and the WoW Movie.
The "Fall of Shady Sands" being in 2277 feels like a production mistake to me. Bethesda's official line in that the 2277 "fall" and the nuke are different events. According to word of god, the nuke hit Shady Sands shortly after New Vegas in 2281. That said, I don't find this a reasonable or satisfying explanation when all the stuff with Maximus and Lucy's mom imply the fall and the bomb are the same event. Also, there isn't any dialogue in New Vegas that implies that any event that could reasonably be called "the Fall of Shady Sands" has befallen the capital of the NCR 4 years before that game even began. So, that's why I think this is just a mistake on the show's part.
