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I am a CNC machinist for Woodpeckers. I literally took the job for the employee discount, and I have pretty much every tool they sell. I belong to a ton of online woodworking groups, and I frequently hear the complaints regarding the price of our tools. To those people I have this to say. Whenever I can afford to buy American made products, I do so. It's important to me to support American manufacturing. I buy Lie-Nielsen hand planes, I buy Benchmade knives, and I try to buy American made clothing whenever possible. Yes, it is true that wood moves more than the tolerance of our products, so is it necessary to buy a square that's dead nuts VS a 10$ Chinese made square from Home Depot? Of course not. Woodworkers far more talented than myself have made better things with cheap tools. But I earn a decent living, in a clean, climate controlled factory, and I get excited about the products that our engineers are designing, and I'm very proud to be one small part of this company.
Preach brother! I love this comment. As a guy that has maybe used a circular saw prolly 2x in my life I still love watching videos about this hobby/job. I create video game art with beads, lol which sounds funny but I’m doing it at a high level and my pieces are expensive but people pay because it’s top tier. Whenever I hear people complain about prices for niche high quality goods it drives me nuts.
You’re living the dream, sir. The American Dream! Everyone should realize Made in America will cost more, usually for good reason. Good pay, employee loyalty, well made, supporting American workers and industry. Win, win, win! The Future Looks Bright 👍
@@MarkZartChina actually has the world's best metal alloys. They can produce products just as good if not superior to America. The reason the produce crap is because that's what the demand dictates. If people wanted better quality and would pay, China would produce it. People love cheap stuff so that's what they make
My go to Woodpecker tools are the T squares. I have the 12", 24" and 32" and use them all the time. You hit the nail on the head that no matter which Woodpecker tool I grab, I have 110% confidence that ALL the measurements are identical. I can't say that about any other brand I have as far as measuring devices go. Love your content..add BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE to complete the package! Keep on 731!
I always like how your videos are balanced, and respectful of opinions and people’s situations. I hope you get to tour that factory and that you’re allowed to take all of us with ( in the form of a recording, of course). great content as always!
I have never regretted buying Woodpecker Tools. Once they are in my shop I never think about the price again. They make me smile every time I use them!
As someone in a wheelchair. I see the benefit to the details that are put into woodpeckers tools. having to move and work with my hands. When most people take it for granted they can move and keep their hands on the tools without it moving. Many times I have to reset the measuring as if I just started. Instead of sliding the tool over maintaining a smooth work flow. Being able to move and continue from where I took my hands off the tool make doing working much less frustrating compared to the base level tools. The number of clamps I use for simple jobs is insane. I don't do fine woodworking but it is worth it to me to reduce what to most people can do in 15 mins. When I have to spend 3 times as long figuring out how to get around my limitations. The cost of all the extra clamps would off set much of the price.
I totally agree. I am a stroke survivor.. i have had 4. Plus a triple bypass.. i have yet to buy any woodpeckers tools. But they are on my wish list..gonna start with a few combination squares and a straight edge
Thanks for all the good info - made in America and American innovation are worth a lot. You make a good point when it comes to our individual choices about what to spend big $$ on - top of the line sewing machine, refrigerator, RV, boat, car. . . endless list. You're always entertaining, informative and inspiring, Matt. Thanks for all you put into your videos.
I’m a fan and have a few items. I like their sales, but I’m often (usually) turned off by the high shipping prices. For the cost of their tools I think they should ship for free.
But there's no such thing as free shipping. It's always baked into something or another. But AMZN did prime us to think that there's such thing as free shipping (yes, pun was intended)
Think what they mean by their comment is there's no way a square cost $180 to produce, anywhere. They can afford to do free shipping without jacking up the price anymore
These guys are 20 minutes from me and I'd never heard of them until I found your channel this year! Their products look great. I'm not yet at the level when I can justify paying for the level of precision, but they're on my radar for sure.
Woodpecker is expensive, but WORTH every penny. I started buying from them a little over a year ago and have had only one problem with one of there tools. I got I touch with them and they were very nice and took care of the issue. There customer service is outstanding. I am definitely hooked. ❤ them
That sounds just like my experience. I had a problem with a tool and contacted them about it. Next thing I know, a replacement was on my doorstep. What was once only dream tools, has become thousands in purchases since. My top 5 are different, but to each his own...right! I'm a big fan of their tools.
And that's my issue with this video. It isn't really an investigation into why. It's a video about how much he likes them. I would have liked more technical talk and even a comparison to other tools and why the prices are justified. I don't think they're bad or anything, I just thought it would be more informative than a sales pitch.
I have several of the Woodpeckers tools, and I do believe they are off the highest quality. Expensive,, yes but very good quality. I would really like to see an in-depth tour of their factory and an interview of the owner so make it happen. You can do it
I love the woodpeckers tools that I have. The edge ruler was the first one I bought and use it all the time. If there is something you want wait until it is on sale to help with the price.
Just an FYI, Precision is how close your results are to each other. Accuracy is how close your results are to a goal. If you're shooting a bow and arrow at a target and you're precise, you can cluster your arrows together every shot. But that's independent of how close that cluster of arrows is to the bullseye. Conversely, If you're accurate, you generally hit around the bullseye, but your arrows are not necessarily near each other. I think our general goal is to be both accurate and precise. Keep up the good work!
First time seeing one of your videos! Subscribed! I've been a fan of Woodpeckers for several years. Recently, they started making router bits and I responded to one of their emails asking them if they planned to make a 45D chamfer bit with dual bearings (I use a 45 often, but the single bearing often leaves a mark on the wood). Richard Hummel actually replied to my email and said they would add it to the list! Within a month or so, they not only had a dual-bearing 45D bit, but with a replaceable carbide insert. Needless to say, I have continued to be impressed 😀
Great review Matt! I have a bunch of Starrett machinist tools. Not because they were cheap! But because they are great tools and reliable out of the box!
I picked up a set of edge rules, as well as a center rule from them, and yes, that left a dent in the bank account. I maintain, watching your tool recommendation videos gets expensive. Worth it, but expensive. The fact that the scales on their tools line up perfectly with each other is honestly a bigger deal than I think a lot of people realize. Compounding errors are a thing and the more you can do to tighten up your tolerances, the less chance you have of having to deal with it. I know I've been bitten by grabbing a different tape measure and using it to mark a piece, only to find out after I cut it that it's too short (why is it ALWAYS too short?) and I'm sure I'm not alone. Truthfully, it's just really hard to justify their prices on some things - $120 for ONE 12" precision T-Square when for the same money you could buy 2 of the "clone" T-Squares with money to spare? Will I buy more Woodpeckers stuff in the future? If I can afford it (that 32" precision T square is next). I'm glad to support them and they are REALLY nice, but that has drawbacks too! Starting with being terrified of dropping and damaging it...
As a former Cleveland, OH resident that didn't live far from their factory, I would love to see the tour of it. For me personally their prices are far out of my budget, but I wont knock them as I know they are very high quality.
Same here. Just the snippets in thus video are cool. Closest I've been was in their yard when I was doing a ride along a few weeks ago with a driver delivering liquid N2.
My name is Fabio and I am writing to you from Italy. Yesterday the courier delivered to me my first Woodpeckers tool, the "ThinRip Guide with Rack-It". Purchasing it from Italy, including shipping costs, taxes and duties, I paid $110 more than the price in the USA (in in any case less than what I would have paid by purchasing it from a European importer seller!) When I took the tool in my hands I realized that I had spent that money very well because the quality, solidity and precision are not even comparable with the tools , even quality ones, that I have had so far in the laboratory... obviously I won't even mention the ridiculous Chinese clones sold at Banggood that I bought once just out of curiosity. From today on Woodpeckers will have a special place in my workshop. My next purchase will definitely be the combined team you presented in this video.
When I first started out in woodworking I always bought the budget tools. I quickly learned how inaccurate many of the tools I bought were which made me very frustrated when doing projects. Another woodworker told me about Woodpeckers and how accurate their tools were. I did have sticker shock when I saw their prices which stopped me from buying anything. My wife was the one that gave me my first Woodpecker tool. She got me a set of Woodpecker edge rulers as a Christmas gift. After using them, I was immediately hooked. The quality and accuracy are unrivaled. Since then I continually look at all their sales they email out and when there is a tool I need, I buy it on sale and replace my crappy, inaccurate tool with it. It will take me a while to replace everything but it is going to be well worth it.
Wow, didn't know they were in Strongsville, Ohio. I used to live about 5 minutes from them. Now, more like 20 minutes or so. I wish they weren't so expensive! Someday I'll buy myself at least one, lol. Thanks for the video!!!
You say you are a big fan of high quality tools, but 3yr-4 years ago you didn't have the $$$ for high quality tools. I don't remember ever seeing one Woodpecker tool in those old videos. It is easy now to say it because your YT channel is doing well.
Yep, and 10 years ago I didn't own any tools. See how that works. Started out borrowing tools to build stuff. Took those profits to buy my own tools that I could afford at the time. Repeat the process and buy tools I want.
I support American made, family owned businesses when I can, granted they are good quality. The Mullet Cyclone is one of my favorite purchases of the last year and changed dust collection for me. That being said, I will buy anything that is quality. There are some European tool company’s large and small I support, and I am not above buying Bridge City Tools and plan on buying Harvey tools this year. There is just something about holding quality tools in your hand.
One of the things I like best is when I order a Woodpeckers tool, I can drive there in 10 minutes to pick them up when they are ready. These guys rock!!
The discussion about worth vs cost at the end is very insightful. I found another American tool company in Michigan a few years ago. It is Grace Tools. They mainly make tools for gunsmiths, but their screwdriver sets are good for all workers. They are very good looking with American hardwood handles. Their Phillips drivers are my favorite. They don't cost any more than other imported premium screwdrivers. Also, in Michigan is Florip Toolworks. This is another small company with a great back story. I have 2 of his saws and they are super-sweet. Thx for another entertaining and informative video.
Great content as usual, thanks! For the record, precision and accuracy are different measures. If you think in terms of holes in a shooting target, a tight group is "precise" in that you've repeatedly put shots in the same place. But that group might not be near the bullseye or "accurate". Accurate is when the bullets hit the center of the target (where you want them to go). A tight group in the bullseye is both precise and accurate. ** "The more you know" tune **
I have a lot of their tools, great well made tools and as a past tool and die maker I can say these tools are machine shop quality, they are the Starret quality tool of woodworking.
They make cool products and are innovative, no doubt. For me, it's not just that the prices seem high, it's that I literally can't afford them right now.
Eyyyyyye Precise and Accurate are different. But I love to see something like this where both are relevant. ...I have a least of 4 of these tools in my Amazon Cart but have yet to buy due to cost.
Thank you for making this video. It's annoying seeing all the hateful comments for a US company that doesn't sell out to Communist China. If folks don't see the value in the tools, then buy what you want and keep it moving. No point to troll and be hateful.
Yes, please take us on a tour of the Woodpeckers plant. Your Festool tour changed my outlook. Like Festool, & lots of other brands (looking at you Milwaukee & UJK), you get what you pay for. Buy once, cry once
I have a Woodpeckers 32" T-Square and it's not square. Out of the box, I assumed it was square but when compared to a few other squares I have and then measuring off of a true square corner, I discovered it wasn't after things weren't lining up right (about 1/8" over 32"). No way to adjust the T-Square. Waste of money. I just use it now as an expensive straight edge. If you drop one of Woodpeckers squares (1281), it will get marred more than other aluminum squares due to the thick aluminum weight. The thickness also makes it more difficult to make an accurate mark since the reading is elevated above your pencil mark more than others. I'll stick with steel that has marking holes. Many other cheaper options out there that perform as well or better. I originally bought a few Woodpeckers measuring tools for the cool factor and higher quality. I was wrong. Having Woodpeckers in your shop is more of a status symbol due to the high cost than as effective and accurate measuring tools, IMO.
I have several Woodpeckers tools. They work as well as Matt describes them. If needed, I wouldn't hesitate to buy more. I've also purchased wood from them in the past during one of their sales. Again, was not disappointed.
I have the woodpeckers router lift, works great. I also have their precision squares, they work too. I picked all my woodpeckers tools up at the traveling woodworkers show that comes through the Tampa area around the Feburary time frame, they usaually have pretty decent deals and you can play with them before you buy them. I am just saying.
Precise v accurate, shooting example. precise is a group of 10, in the 5 ring, all touching. Accurate is a group of 10, all around the bullseye, none close together. Definitely not the same word
I too have a number of Woodpecker tools. Not everything that comes out, just logical stuff of course. It seems a lot of their products are duplicates of previous tools or they do the same things but look different. Still I love their quality and will be a customer of theirs from now on. Love your honest input and your shirts!!🙏🏻🙏🏻
No guilt in letting them pay for the trip. No NDA, just let the facts stand on their own. I am glad to see a company making made in America mean something again.
Hey Matt...if you ever make it up to Strongsville let me know. I live about 30 minutes SE of them. Would love to meet you and thank you for being the first woodworker I followed after getting back into the hobby in 2020. :)
Would love a tour and interview that would be cool. You should do the same on Veritas/Lee Valley a great Canadian tool company with a very interesting history
One of my favorite Woodpeckers tools is the Auto-Line Drill Guide. It came in very handy when I needed to install threaded inserts in a tool base I was building. They were much too far from the edge to get at on the drill press. The inserts are perfectly vertical - much better than I could have done with a handheld drill alone.
I have one and it's one my least favorite Woodpecker's tools. It's not nearly rigid enough. It's OK for bits under 1/4", maybe, but forget any of the larger bits. I'll never withstand even a 1" Forstner bit.
I would love to see you tour Woodpeckers. In my situation it is hard to afford them right now but I would love to own some of their tools in the future!
I don’t have any woodpeckers tools but they do seem really nice! Right now the stuff I make doesn’t require that kind of decision, but maybe someday… Matt I’m glad you kept the intro and outro - that was so funny!
I have a bunch of Woodpecker's tools. First purchase should be the 1281 square or the newer 1282SS which is about the same price. Is it important for a woodworking tool to have that kind of accuracy? Yes. If you assemble case goods, any inaccuracy is going to make for a wonky product that won't fit well together (and might look like crap). The other one I really like is the 8" pocket T square. For me, this is the perfect size, a bit more than 6" which is handier than you might think. I have a bunch of Incra squares but these are so much easier to handle and use. Yeah, go get a tour!
Definitely appreciate the back story. I get paying for quality. But I can't get past machinist squares being cheaper than these still. Seems they could sell these for quite a bit cheaper if they would
More functionality aimed at woodworking? Yes. Now let's consider L. S. Starrett Company founded in 1880. They now have production facilities the world over. How many years and how many hundreds of thousands of tools may they amortize production costs over? How does that scale down to the productions of Woodpecker Tools. I see in RU-vid discussions the never ending dialogs about the value and worth of tools, and tools built for differing market or use environments. They will buy a $20 torque wrench, that no reputable calibration shop will repair or calibrate. Not read or follow any instructions, abuse it as a breaker bar, use it for torquing left hand threaded fasteners, for which most torque wrenches are less accurate. Even use it for a range exceeding it's capacities. Then blame the tool maker for twisting to pieces their $200 bit of bicycle carbon fiber, maybe even the frame. You can't even begin to help instruct these people because they have no discipline for values and order outside of themselves and that their problem lies outside of them. So I have to ask, how do you define cost. How do you define value. How do you define worth. Consider and learn what you will.
@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 maybe, they lack some ease of use. but they've built alot of cabinets in my grandpa's shop. And their dead on accurate. Just a thought I always have when thinking about buying them. I have alot of expensive tools. But these feel overly hyped. I could be wrong. Just on lunch break shooting the shit
Huge fan of Woodpeckers. I try to buy USA when I can and realize I may have to put my money where my mouth is from time to time. I’ve returned one expensive tool and they tool it back, no questions asked and paid return shipping. My favorite tool, besides the stainless delve square, is their autoscale miter sled. I gave the one I made to a friend because theirs is so good and dead accurate.
We have a bunch of, and love WP products, and customer support. I have a guy who can't keep his fingers out of the way of the Domino cutter so I ordered the Mortis Match for the Festool. Pretty slick.
Keep the entry. I like it. You have come a long way with your production talents. You are the person that made me take a second look at Woodpecker. I recognize the value in their products but I still think that they are a little pricey. Great video production.
I have one Woodpeckers tool - the 3" Delve SS square. What a horrible mistake that purchase was. This square is N.I.C.E.. It feels so good in my hands. I swear it even makes my pencils work more smoothly. The mistake was letting myself splurge "just this once" and now wanting more! I'm a hobbyist woodworker, so I can justify most of their tools, but I'll certainly pick up a few more things - but just the tools I use the most (the square for sure - it's by far my most used non-power tool).
I like the fact that woodpecker tools are high quality however, I'm just starting out in woodworking and price is something that hinders my every purchase. Obviously just starting out I don't have the funding to justify $150 for a square regardless of the quality. I hope to eventually acquire quality tools like woodpecker and festool but for the foreseeable future I have to stay within my financial limitations. Great video, keep up the great work and Happy Building!!!😁
Epic Woodworking posted on about 4 months ago. I'd like to see Matt's version as well. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i1OPlxwK9Xs.html&ab_channel=EpicWoodworking
Pretty much like our Lee Valley Tools here in Canada. The Veritas line of tools will stand against ANY quality tools and there is a lot of innovation along with that. Planes, squares, carving, and so much more. And they have been around since the 70s. That said, ALL my squares are Starrett and they have been around forever. Starrett is always dead on accurate as they are not woodwork tools but actually used by metal manufacturing companies. Sure accurate, reliable, well made tools are expensive but they live a long time and are well worth the money. I sold good quality tools for 30yrs before I retired and most of what I bought will probably end up in an auction when I am gone but I will use them right up until that happens. I have a shop full of tools that will likely still be in use a hundred years from now. Buy right, buy quality and never look back. You will NEVER have to upgrade good quality tools. Good quality tools are usually nicer to work with and easier to use. I used to tell my customers "there are NO cheap tools but what you pay for a tool decides how well they work, how long they last and how comfortable they are to use". Lifetime warranty means nothing if you have to keep getting replacements......
The only issue i have with woodpeckers tools is companies like benchmark that can produce the same exact tools, even the measurements line up, made from the same materials and 1/4 the cost. Just seems more like insane price hikes that arent needed
I balance buying expensive tools that I will use often and require accuracy with buying cheaper tools that I don't use often and /or I don't need to be accurate. A factory tour would be brillent.
It depends on how much you will use the tool. Woodpeckers tools will last you a lifetime. How long that is depends on how old you are. I am 74. I need something that will last me until tomorrow!
I don’t know which is more awesome. The way you say 2x4 or Accurate. My stepmothers pops was born and bred razorback and “Accurate” is the give away 😬 But more important POW-Lee-Knee( Paolini) 🙌 ( I’ll make you an honorary Sicilian if you say it just once 😂😂😂) LOVE my woodpecker tools!!!
I bought my Paolini Pocket Rule directly from Greg Paolini at a Festool cabinet class at his shop in Asheville NC. Unfortunately Festool doesn’t do the onsite classes for non-dealers like me, but I took several at his site a few years ago. But his last name is pronounced “Pow-Leanie”. Super good guy and an outstanding craftsman.
I have Woodpecker products in my shop. I also have cheap tools too. I also have Incra Tools also. As I have Snap on , and Harbor Freight. Festool, Dewalt, Milwaukee Tools
There is a subtle difference between accuracy and precision. Accuracy means how close the measurement is to absolute standard. Precise is how repeatable the measurement is; i.e 2 inch measurement is exactly twice 1 inch.
