people now finding out ev are a gimmick, gov still think its the new green 🤣 if your happy to mess about downloading apps, going to different stations because they don't work and willing to sit around for nearly a hour to charge
@@watchanything-c7r Most newer EV chargers don't require an app. A contactless payment facility has been a legal requirement for a couple of years now.....And you don't need to go to different charging stations, as most of the charger apps will let you know which chargers are working, and how long any waiting time is if they're being used....
Many of the luxury EVs are only losing so much money because there are so many of them. You can take your pick of the Audi Etrons and Mustang Mach Es which are coming off company car lease deals after 3 years because so many company car drivers run them for tax reasons. Saturate the market like that and the customer has the choice of so many that the prices are low. Grab yourself a luxury 75k car that’s only 3 years old and has done around 30000 miles for 25k that will cost £25 a month to run!! No brainer really.
If other want EV's, that their decision, each to their own, but an EV wouldn't be suitable for me as I cannot home charge, plus EV's are really not my thing. I could probably get away with a hybrid (preferably a self charging hybrid) as there is always an engine to fall back on if the battery runs flat, but a full EV is something I have no interest in at all.
My daily is a self charging Toyota Corolla 2.0 hybrid touring sport and it’s brilliant. 55+mpg with ease. 1.8 is even better mpg but slower. Not all hybrids are the same though. Toyota are market leaders and it shows 👍🏻
@@stum8374 To clarify, there are Two main hybrid types. Self charging & plug in. Plug in is heavier as carries a fairly big battery around and has a shortish EV range of say 30+ miles before using the car engine. Self charging has very short EV only range, but never needs plugging in as it charges when braking, slowing down or from engine if spare capacity & has a fairly small battery. For me the self charging hybrid is brilliant, no negatives, drives well with plenty of power as mine is 2000cc, 55+ mpg easily and being a Toyota safe & reliable.
I do 300-350 miles a week and I have no way to charge at home so EVs make no sense for me. I don't have an objection to them as an option, just the constant noise from people who think everyone should have one even when it isn't practical.
I have no issue with this. But it's the constant noise I get of the people with a driveway doing 5 miles a day claiming that electric is impractical that winds me up.
True, though I think what people really object to is the idea of political pressure to adopt a new system that as yet is not universally practical and a lack of faith that it will be made available before ICE cars are taxed off the road, which is probably the next stage once the EV only new car sales come into force. EVs have become incredibly political now, to the extent that it is a bit tiresome. It's the same with driving in general which they never stop telling us to do less of - I have to do 250 miles a week on a school run because SEN education is so terrible, so again government wants me to drive less, cycle even, while not making it possible in reality. It's just irritating.
We have a EV with a range of 300miles plus and no it's not a Tesla but a Kia e-niro on a 2020 plate and before retiring this year did 250 miles a week commuting so yes EV's can work for must and as a hint check out Teasla super chargers open for all as dynamic prices is their thing.
@@colinrobinson7869 If you can get one for £6500 with that kind of range and can charge it fully in 10 minutes, that would be getting to the point where it could work.
Had a 24kWh Leaf a few years ago. Over 60k miles it paid for itself in running cost savings. New 40kWh Leafs are going with big discounts because they're pretty dated now. I see I can lease one through work for 20k miles at £286 per month which is curiously almost exactly what I spend on petrol....
EVs have a manufacturers warranty of 8 years on the battery and drive train. They don't do that unless they are sure that batteries will last well beyond 8 years. Does your petrol/diesel engine come with an 8 year warranty?
I'm a pertrolhead and I work on classics for a living. I have a few classic vehicles too. In 2018 a mate let me have a go in his i3 and I immediately questioned why I was daily driving a Subaru Impreza WRX at 26mpg, as it was almost as quick to 60. I sold it soon after and leased a Soul EV to see if I liked it. I did, and I'm soon going to be buying my third EV, which I love for my boring commute. Fun and sunny days see my classics in use but for monotonous or straightforward transport, EVs are great, especially if you can charge at home. It's OK to like both!
We are in EV Infancy, its great when they are brand new and everybody is happy with a smile on their face from that new car, but what about in a few years when these are older and have been a round the block, Everyone talks about battery life but there is far more to an EV than a battery a motor and 4 wheels, they are far more complicated than we have been lead to believe.
Actually they are far less complicated than petrol engines. That's why there are many EV taxis with 250k miles on the clock and performing exactly as they did on day one. In any case, EV batteries and drive trains come with an OEM warranty of 8 years. They don't do that lightly because they know that a pack will probably outlive the tin bits of a car.
@@Hitstirrer Your funny, I've worked in the motor trade all my life, I take great interest in this subject as I think its risky the UK being the first to go whole hog on EV's. I see stories here on You tube with Hyundai or Kia batteries in Canada costing $50.000 and the car is written off all from some small damage, that's on an almost new car, so once that car makers warranty is up what do you do with the car, or do you cough up the money for another battery should it fail??? I'm not buying your claim of 250K miles on many taxi's as you say, if it was a regular Pruis Hybrid Id buy in, those can go 250k in many cases.
@@rbnhd1144 Now you are revealing your agenda and hoping that people believe your input. From a mptor trade background you know full well the difference between an insurance write-off following a crash and a engineering fault leading to a warranty claim. Insurance actuaries will often write off cars with little damage because its cheaper to do that and auction the car away to others who will repair economically. You know that. Yet you try to mislead people. Its the same with an EV that has evidence of damage to the battery pack. Write off and sell the valuable battery pack to others who take it apart and use the individual modules to repair ten other EVs showing a low range. Normal actuaries activity. Nobody buys a brand new battery to fit to a car. That viral claim of a quote of $50k doesn't tell the full story by a long way. The swap never happened. You know that. Or at least if your claim of motor industry employment is true then your should know. Just stop it with such misinformation. As to the taxi mileages in EVs you may claim otherwise but facts trump feelings. Just try a google search for " EV taxis drive 250,000 miles" and that brings up pages of such reports world wide. I realise that such facts don't fit your worldview but at least you should now will stop trying to debunk the high mileages being achieved by EVs.
The most practical car you have there is the Marina easy to repair none of the newer car problems cheap insurance, I'm surprised you don't put it up for sale.
We should have a choice of what we drive, EV's should pay a road tax and fuel taxes just like ICE'S, there should be no Govt kickbacks or rebates for EV's, what I'm saying is we need a level playing field instead of being bullied by one side or the other, or one mode subsidizing the other, I'm not against EV's I think they have their place and work for some people, but I see lots of lies told in the media. They are cheap to charge at home but I don't buy in that they are green, I have to say when something is pushed on the British public I get very suspicious, Your'e a fool if you trust any party in the British Government to tell you the truth, there politicians are educated and bought off by major corporations and people you've never heard of, Remember diesel gate.
That's true of all the cars. The i10 owner is starting at 9k on their 66 plate what do you think that will be worth in a couple years time? I bet the depreciation on the EV will be the same or less! It's started at 6995 is it likely to be worth less than than 4k in 2 or 3 years? Unlikely. And the i20 will be worth what 5 or 6 max.
What would we do without your wagging pointing finger in front of the camera all the time! It soooo helps understand the monologues. Does your good lady get the same bossy treatment! 💨💨
I'm hoping your joking here as I'd worry about anyone that took a simple bit of hand waving as bossy 🤣 as the world would be full of hurt for someone that delicate
@@ChopsGaragethe Bossy bit was a joke.. I must say the curious hand gesticulations in front of the camera are a bit odd for the discerning viewer, maybe they are karate chops!
Will EV's be as popular when Starmer starts the £360 a year to tax them in April...I have a hybrid and am a convert as it only uses electric round town
@@CarlosFandango1975 ye but alot of people wont bother getting a ev if they going to after pay tax like with diesel or petrol so they will just stay without a ev and from april thats where the sales will drop big time
@@watchanything-c7r I think you are right with the over 40k evs as they will have luxury car tax to pay too, but the £20k evs are quicker, cheaper to run and more modern than their petrol equivalent. Smart buyers will buy used evs I reckon
I don’t know if I’d ever buy an EV, even given the value prospect. Though as I own a Swift sport and an Austin Healey I don’t think I’m the target market
Re EV's if you live in London then an EV is now simply a must have, no doubt about it. Forced onto the public by Khan and Starmer and their drive to the farcical desire of NetZero which is a dream of the deluded. Set off to the Highlands of Scotland with the 100 mile range Soul from where you are, then come back and tell us how wonderful the EV is. Horse's for courses James.
Petrol or EV, no car is worth having in London. When I lived there I sold my car after 6 months & got a motorbike. Really, a twist-&-go scooter is the ideal vehicle for London.... if you can keep it secure as the police are too busy doing the macarana & investigating unkind tweets. 🙄
Khan and Starmer? I think you mean Boris Johnson who introduced both congestion and ULEZ as Mayor and a succession of Tory PM’s. Get your facts straight.
Please put your seatbelt on when test driving cars around your site………………. I’ve checked the microwave, washing machine, dryer and air-fryer before realising it was you! 😂😂😂
6 hour journey home in a Seat Ibiza ? Just as well it wasn't electric. That white BMW a long way from home first owner from Edinburgh. The Morris Ital colour incidentally I used to supply them to a well known insurance company and that colour is Cashmere Gold.
Why what's the problem? Do it just the same as any other car these days. They charge up to 80% in 20 - 30 mins, welcome to 2024. No-one drives for 6 hours 🤦
People bash on EV's but at the end of the day they're just a smart financial decision. Like solar panels, if you tick a few boxes re suitability & can afford it, in a world of financing most can. My old man got one just over a year ago & saved like £1400 in 1 year, used one 40k miles, 300-mile range easy, 7p per kwh to charge at home. Semi-retired but the old man drives more than he ever has & is doing those parecel/uber eats delivery to stay busy/ top his 'cruising the world' fund when my mum retires.I love my manual classics, but this fear mongering/culture war over EVs is frankly silly. Then again having said that, if it keeps used values down I'm all for it, perfect family car for myself in a few years. Perfect daily driver imo.
I was lukewarm about EVs until I took an extended test drive of a Fiat 500e nearly 3 years ago and was impressed by the performance and one pedal driving experience. I ordered the car immediately afterwards and collected it two weeks later. I paid nothing like the list price and received 65% of what I'd paid for the four year old Twingo GT that was traded in. (dealer sold it a day later!) Battery degradation to date is zero and the Fiat will probably be kept for at least eight years. I would not go back to ICE but I also appreciate that not everyone can charge at home, and were I in that situation, I would drive a self-charging hybrid for as long as they are available.
2025 car ev due to the ved charge tax if car worth 40k plus your paying £1170 ev tax first 3 year and £390 under 40k for new car this is where sales will drop big time in 2025 for ev cars as people will just stay with the old diesel / hybrid / petrol and even if ev was affordable i still wouldn't touch one ever in my life till i die
You really don’t know what you’re missing!! Also the huge road tax for the 40k plus EVs is only on ones registered after 1 March 2025. Vehicles registered before that date will only pay the same as an ICE car whatever their initial purchase price was.
Used EVs are cheap for good reason. Batteries cost more than the cars worth when they are done, plus nobody wants them. Buying a new EV = financial suicide unless you are rich. Also all that tech means there is tons to go wrong. Add to that range anxiety and the lack of charging points.
To comment in such a way you cannot of run one or done real world research on those claims. They are examples everywhere of batteries lasting longer than modern combustion engines (Puretechs, Ecoboosts, ingeniums dead at 40k ). Single cells can now be replaced and even an entire replacement battery pack is less than a crate motor from the manufacturer. Range anxiety? When you get short on fuel do you not worry and go fill up? Can you just go home and do that? Have you seen the depreciation on ICE cars these days? That's why no one buys new cars they lease them.
I won't be forking out for a new battery for my EV when the time comes. I'll have my existing battery pack refurbished at a fraction of the cost of a new battery. There are now 64'0000 public charging connections in the UK, with around 1000 new ones being added each Month.... Most people who want a new EV will *lease* rather than buy it. That way any depreciation is for the leasing company to take care of... As the earlier poster pointed out, almost all your post was complete and utter EV misinformation....
@@ChopsGarage Agfree 100%. I can't comment on other EV's but I have 9 year old model S with 140K on the clock and it still has 89% of the original battery capicity. It's used daily without giving me any proplems what so ever. Also, as I charge at home it costs a fraction of what an ICE car would cost to run. One final point - it's fast as F**k (super car fast)!
@@ChopsGaragea leaf was on fire near me bud, I drove past and it was smouldering, a bit later on, full fire, no one would go near it, they just let it run it's course, then left it a week before removal. True story bud
We have 2 evs one is a work van, the other our family car. Between them we do around 2000 miles a month for about 40 quid. Massive savings for us. Charge at home 7pkWh
12 months ago I saw a used car dealer selling a used Merc EV with a "Projected" range of 50 miles on a full charge for £12.000, Id love to know how many people are willing to buy a car with that amount of range for that kind of money, eventually there will be load's of these low range EVs running around, so who would be wanting one. Would anyone be interested in buying a Fiesta that can go 30 miles on a full tank?.
I suspect that was a typo. I don't know of any full battery Merc EV selling for £12k with only 50 miles range. Most likely it was a plug-in hybrid with a small battery claiming 50 miles. Or a typo for 250 miles if full BEV.
@@Hitstirrer No need to suspect anything it was an old B class, one of the first sold, I cant remember the year tbh but I do remember the poor miles per charge and its stuck in my head, I was so surprised a dealer would even take a risk on it, but someone has too, maybe he got a killer deal??? too hard to refuse, no biggy, I just thought Id bring it up as that's for sure in all used car dealers future.
@@ChopsGarage T.B.H. James I'm not sure how low an EV's range can be, 50 is what I saw here but heck the price blew me away, a person might be smarter to lease something with more range for not much more per month, of course it could be nice to have a Merc for a local shopping car.
My wife bought a 3 year old Tesla Model 3 Long Range (from another RU-vid car seller - Richard Symons) because she does drive long distances! 300 mile range, excellent route planning with easy charging. He gave top money for her old car (Volvo S90) that they sold inside a week too!
Had my first EV (second hand) 6 mouths ago it’s brilliant saving me 90 pounds a month . And before Ev haters start it’s 3 years old battery is 100% 30k on the clock . I don’t really care about depreciation as I keep my cars a long long time. Own one for a few months before you comment . My friend has an Kia ev with 110000 on the clock it only 3 years old battery was tested it’s lost 3%..
The past 10 years have clearly proven that battery degradation is not a large issue at all, the issue is random sporadic cell failure once they get to higher mileages (or unlucky below then). The good warranties will help, to that point, but beyond then it clearly involves a large element of luck, with a rather large cost if that luck runs out.
Buy a car on a PCP deal and depreciation is not an issue anyway. If the cars not worth what your “guaranteed future value” is then you simply hand it back and walk away!!!
There’s some silly money being paid now for used ice vehicles. Buy a used ev bargain if you have a driveway. Do the maths on what you currently spend on fuel compared to driving 4 miles for every 8p of cheap electricity charging at night at home. You don’t even need a wall box chargers if you only drive 40 miles a day. You can charge about 12kwh in 5 hours at night which gives you nearly 50 miles on a 3 pin plug
@CarlosFandango1975 You are luckier than me, 33.3p a unit at home and 52p a unit at the workshop. What's that per mile? I don't have anything against the principal of electricity powering a vehicle but what is on offer is not for me.
@@craigwatters127 there’s loads of ev tariffs where you don’t need a wall box chargers. The 5-7 hours of off peak 8p applies to the whole house too, so set your washing machine and dishwasher to come on in the night. Charging away from home will always cost more than an ice car unfortunately
I had a VW ID.3 for three years on private lease and it was excellent, no issues, no range anxiety and the only issue I had charging was queuing behind a British Gas van waiting for charger, once. Now got another fantastic car the Suzuki Across - circumstances changed making PHEV the better choice. Would go back to EV anytime - as a lease though, never buying one.
@@ChopsGaragemost of our problems are knackered engines and boxes, be nice just to be able to buy and sell, just do a few drop links and pads to keep your hand in.
@@ChopsGarage Depends on size of battery. We charge at home and can easily drive to Cornwall from Bristol with no problem. Cost per mile is cheaper than petrol or diesel.
The public charger network near me charges 45p per kwh with a subscription..... although I've not used a public charger for well over a year, as I've not needed to. Home charging works out at 2 to 3p per mile....
@@JohnSmith-ei2pz Clearly, your knowledge base is a little light on home EV charge tariffs and subscription rates to public charge networks.... Sticking with home charging, I can cover 1000 miles for less than £35....
Yet strangely enough, two guys drove a Nissan Leaf from John O Groats to Lands End (and back again!) during 2016, covering 1653 miles in 48 hours. The same two guys took a BMW i3 from Edinburgh to Monte Carlo in 30 hours. After that, they took part in the Mongolian Rally with a suitably prepared Nissan Leaf... Oh how these EV misconceptions persist.. Google Plug In Adventures to see the full story behind all this.......
@@Brian-om2hh Yet there are some with different outcomes. I saw one that had the electric car costing twice as much as an ice car on a trip. I think it was a London to Plymouth trip not 100% sure. There seems to be a lack of chargers now and unless something happens quick there will not be enough power stations to cope.
I had an EV as my personal car at my last job. The owner of the company allowed me to plug into one of the charge points at work as he had had a few installed. That meant that my car was charging whilst i was out on my delivery route for 12 hours. Free motoring for all the time that i worked there basically! Now back in an ICE car as no home charging options and i have to say I preferred the no nonsense drive of the EV. Not bothered about having too much fun when driving as ive got my motorbike for that!
I bet the fire risk is no higher than a combustion engine if I were to research the stats. Battery degradation is only the same as engine degradation , in fact prob less with the early demise of modern Ecoboosts. Puretechs, Ingenium etc
@@worldhello1234 you have been spun a lie in the press - fire risk reportedly 20x less than and ICE car. There are lots of 8yo Tesla’s with 400k+ miles with the battery at 80%+. Tesla’s don’t require annual scheduled servicing and my EV (not a Tesla) has cheap service costs compared to an ICE car. I run my EV at 3pence per mile for fuel. Depreciation is heavy as EV tech is moving fast but that just means there are some really cheap EV’s as second hand buys.
Fire risk is far less than ICE, at least 20x less. Batteries in modern EVs (ie not Leaf, post 2014) last 200-400k miles and 10yrs+ without serious degradation (85%+) and with zero maintenance. At a high mileage ICE vehicles need all sorts of expensive work with cambelts, utility belts, big service costs. Running costs of EVs are far less, costs me £4.50 for 250 miles at home and long distance, it is about 2/3 the cost of ICE on Rapid chargers. Service costs less than half ICE. All myths for modern EVs, but yes people don't know so they don't value them. I don't mind that, more bargains for the likes of me 😊
The main reason they are cheap is people don't want them. Everything has a price, reduce it enough and people will buy. Even a half-smoked cigarette has a price.
All these enthusiasts for EVs need to look at the bigger picture as anyone who has ever operated vehicles commercially will tell you ! They are in for an nasty shock - pun intended !
@@JohnSmith-ei2pzno one has an issue with mobile phones. Laptops. Having battery charging and we all manage with those. In fact we probably use them ten times more in a day than a car
I wondered what happened about the raffle… guessed I hadn’t won when I didn’t hear anything lol… It was that shape Soul that I drove that after 10 mins drive…I was having an EV, and I’ve had one for 6 years almost on 50k not one problem. That soul will prove reliable I’m sure… 😊
The reason that used ev's are such good value is that people are still stuck in the Daily Mail / Clarkson mindset. All great news for people like me who are open-minded. More bargains for us and it costs us less than 3 pence per mile in fuel. Even red diesel isn't that cheap! As you have said before, try one. You might just begin to understand why so many peple like them.
Totally agree. Most sitting at home with a driveway and proudly sorting a car that did only 5k last year saying EVs with 200 mile ranges is impractical
@@FFVoyager every manufacturer is reporting around 40% drop in sales . They are being forced into buying there own cars and then selling them later as pre regs to avoid the huge fines . Check out auto trader for the 2nd hand cars with delivery mileage.
EV's are an absolute bargain at the minute. I won't listen to any negative opinion that you have to say unless you live with one for a week or two. Then come back and talk 😂
@@ChopsGarage the only negative would be if you cannot charge at home (if you have a low range EV). Although there are some solutions now such as the 'Kerbo charge' etc. If you cannot charge at home alot of employers are putting in charging in the car park. My workplace have installed 24 chargers in the past year or two. Even still, I bought my other half a 3 year old E-Niro electric recently. It was cheaper than the hybrid equivalent model and it does easily 250 miles on a full charge which costs me £5 to fully charge it on an overnight tariff. She charges it once a week and it is ideal.
I'm sure in my head some of this EV negativeaty is these RU-vid channels that just berate EV'S and that every " fire" that involves cars are caused by an EV . In the end they are here and people are buying them . I would just like to hire one for a period of time and see how I fair with one . Great video.
The thing with EV’s is that will only get better as the technology improves which it is doing very quickly. Second hand EV’s can be a bargain and can give seriously cheap motoring. Some new EV’s can be bought with fantastic deals (eg new MG4 for
@@ChopsGarage thing is Chops, they’re not really a bargain. I am generally not a fan of electric, though have recently been considering electric. Looking at 6-7 year old Teslas with 80,000+ miles and they’re 25-30k. I don’t see that as a bargain - rather as an expensive risk.
They buy them because they are nicer and better cars. Usually after a test drive. And after a careful appraisal they decide that they are indeed quite practical in their circumstances. Try it. You may be surprised.
