I Looked At Negative Ori And The Blind Forest Reviews So You Don't Have To 

maybe ori is even an inspiration for hk

​@@Danielmrmasked Maybe it is, it would make sense since Ori and the blind forest had quit a lot of positive review. But I'm not sure if Hollow Knight was actually strongly inspired by Ori. It's all just like with Ori and the Will of the Wisps, which maybe had a lot of inspiration from Hollow Knight.

​@@Danielmrmasked Not really, the game was already well into developement when Ori came out.

I died so many times during Ginso Tree alone. But on my second playthrough had no problem. Such great memories.

where to see deathcounts in the game?

@@user-gy4xp2tu6f pause menu

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@@user-gy4xp2tu6fjust press esc while playing

Yeah hollow knight was too confusing and punishing for me to enjoy properly

I mean the more restricted movements are better for the boss fights, which imo are the focus points in HK’s gameplay compared to the plat forming

@@actualatom To be honest, having Ori tell you exactly where to go all the time is smth I did not enjoy at all. I liked HK for how you didn't always know where to go, you'd have to go back to other areas sometimes to find out you missed something. With Ori, if I left a place, I never went back. If I missed something I'd have absolutely no idea because I didn't care to check, if I had to go back, the game would tell me. I understand if you're the opposite though if you played them in that order. For me it was HK first and then Ori being so in your face story wise just sucked. I can imagine the other way around sucks just as much. I don't quite know what you mean by controls were too restricted though haha. Also I'm a combat person, so HK for me was just a lot better. The combat in Ori was very dull... I played it years ago but all I can remember from it is just hitting one button repeatedly every time I was near someone. I like more interactive combat. To each their own, but I'm glad negative reviews exist. If everybody only reviewed positive, nobody would ever know if a game sucked (for games that have 90% negative reviews for example). And sometimes you just want some constructive things before you buy a game, it can really be helpful. Also to be honest, I think having more in your face kinda stories is fine in games... Like God of War, or The Witcher. But in Ori there just wasn't enough variation like, hey you can do these 5 things pick one and you get a few new ones on the way. Idk maybe it's me, it's not just what I Was looking for in a game. And I guess without really wanting to, I did compare it to HK. And the absolute worst part for me was the start with controls. I like a PS4 controller, Ori didn't allow me to rebind things at least not on PC, and the X/O were fucked for some reason. So I had to play on an Xbox controller which fucking sucked. I completed the game but honestly, I almost put it down at the start simply because of that. If something as easy as rebinding keys isn't available, I'm not gonna have a good time...

Disagreed, just because of my physical keyboard not being with me when I played it made the feather / dash sections very annoying. The way you can't change controls made the game "harder" but imo, the game is pretty easy, most of it was more annoying than anything. Also, sometimes, the laser ennemies would destroy your path (once lol) and sometimes, you can't see Ori.

@@christopherenegane5812 The games are pretty easy, but I had fun the whole time, I played it by plugging a playstation controller into a laptop, no one has a more scuffed setup than I did, but the games were eternally fun and satisfying, and failure rarely felt like the game's fault.

Soooo got all achievements on Will of the Wisps now, on Blind Forest only the One Life achievement is missing. Safe to say I adapted to tiny Ori lol.

I didn't dislike Hollow Knight like this game, I just didn't pick it back up as it was way too easy and boring. So unlike a lot of people I wasn't comparing the 2.

*skippable cutscenes lmao

I'm referring to the little in-game cutscenes like when you're chasing that dude around before getting into the first dungeon @@sigsqrl

Sounds like a skill issue

Omg I don't need that reminder dash, double jump, BASH, light burst, LIGHT BURST + BASH!!!! ROCKET JUMP (charged dash + double jump). I can't with this movement abilitys, sooooo good. The only thing I don't like much is the ability "climb", I know that it's apart of charge jump but STILL. Climb is so boring, handy but boring. I wish instead it could be something more interesting

If buying on steam, I'd get the bundle deal since its 70% off right now. The bundle deal itself is basically like buying the second game and getting the first one for free.

Sorry for the late reply! Although I have played ori 2, I haven't had the time to finish it so it would be weird to make now, but even then, I've gotten a bit burnt out on doing negative reviews. There is a chance I do one, but it would be in a very long time...

Hollow Knight is one of my favourite games, definitely give it a try

Now as for story, HK obviously has a very vague underlying story, which in Dark Souls, I do not enjoy... But in Hollow Knight, this is masked for me by exploring, fun combat and an enjoyable experience. HK has you looking for the story, Ori just kinda tells you what to do. Which in a lot of games I don't mind, but they do it... better? Or maybe again, my HK brain is betraying me and saying bro this sucks! But again, a huge part of what I liked in HK was exploration, going back to previous areas and seeing what I missed, opening hidden paths. In Ori, I just didn't really care. I unlock an ability that could've gotten me somewhere in area 1? Well honestly, I didn't really care to even find out cause... I mostly forgot where I could go back to if anywhere at all... Also having the objectives clear every single time made it pointless to go back at all. I knew where to go at all times and had no reason to explore areas from before. Let's compare this to a game like The Witcher or God of War. Yes you basically know where to go all the time, but there's fun sidequests that you can do that provide different lore stuff or just rewards. Ori didn't do this at all... Why'd I go back to an area from before if, I already know where to go and there's nothing there for me to do at all... The story in general was alright but also, not really? Hard to explain my reasoning here. I don't have a certain preference for like multiple ending kinda games or dark endings or anything. I just didn't feel like the story was amazing or anything. In the end, the bird puts the thing back herself and accepts death so I'm like well... That's kind of an easy way to end it lol. It didn't really satisfy me it just felt like it was meant to be wholesome but just didn't give me any kind of satisfaction. I didn't feel like I did something difficult to get there, like omg difficult boss fight and then she's like oh shit. And honestly the caretaker of Ori coming back to life, again something that might be wholesome but, I'm not really into that in this way. That felt super cheap to me, like might as well bring the bird back to life (sorry I forgot the name of the mother bird haha it's been a while). It just felt super cheap to me. Overall the story was so in your face I feel like it should've been better you know? If it was gonna be objectives one after the other I feel like if the story had actually been killer good, I'd love the game. But having the story be such a huge part of your game and it really not being anything incredible just left me unsatisfied by the end. God of War or The Witcher have amazing stories, if it's all about the story, make it as good as those... And as I said before they did sidequests better too. Basically story and gameplay wise, I'm used to higher standards than what Ori delivered... A lot of people have this problem nowadays, played so many masterpiece games that anything that doesn't live up to absolute perfection, just sucks haha. Perfection again, being relative. But yeah having played amazing story games, HK, good movement games. Basically Ori offered nothing that made me go like this was good! Also it was a relatively short game which I didn't expect going in. HK comparison warning, but I went into HK expecting maybe 20 hours and I ended up playing like 300. And while I know some people who did complete HK in 25 hours and then quit, they knew nothing about the story, just ran through everything. But even those people, still loved the combat and loved the game in general. For me the first time I defeated THK was like, 50 hours into it maybe? And that was just ending one... Ori took me 10 hours, and if you compare the size of the production, the graphics of Ori, I just expected more. Speaking of graphics, I agree with that one review about the guy who said it was good for a trailer but just too much. That is true, it looks amazing, but sometimes, simplicity is just better. The amount of colors is just so annoying. I think you made a very, very good point about the camera. When I was watching this footage of yours I was thinking ''Man if the camera was closer the game would be a lot better already''. And you said it perfectly as well, Ori is just too fucking small, which makes the movement even worse when the camera is so far away. Then take all the graphics into account and basically, it's hard to move around, it's hard to see things, the screen is bright as hell... I just feel like the game would've benefited from a simpler design where things look good but not like you're in a trailer with saturation everywhere. I feel like maybe they spent too much time worrying about making it look good, and not enough time making it actually a good story that lasts a while. Honestly if you see those graphics, you expected a long game... HK again, I expected a short game cause it looked rather simple but ended up being long, Ori was the opposite. It looked complex but it was just 10 hours and done... I just feel like they wanted it to look good, get people excited about that (and the music) and then get away with a meh story and meh world building. Sorry for my lengthy comment I just got into it and I love writing lol. Sorry for comparing it to HK sometimes, I also used a few other games as reference cause I feel like it's not just HK related. But yeah all in all, I think my expectations were raised too high by both other people saying Ori is amazing just like HK, making me expect HK greatness. As well as being very hyped up by the graphics and music thinking this is gonna be amazing. So yeah that's it, just too high expectations maybe comparing it too much to HK in my head, and just not aligning as well with my game preferences (combat related stuff and difficulty). It was an alright game, if I went in expecting less, I think I would've enjoyed it more but, when I played it, it just didn't live up to the hype for me. Have a good day and enjoy gaming. Whether you like HK, Ori or both, I hope you have a good time playing that game.

Ori costs so much for 9 hours of gameplay, and no one talks about that

It’s about quality not quantity

That's weird, I mean I am guilty of comparing it to HK but what do you mean by stiff in its movements? I actually did not like Ori's movement at all haha.

@pear4576 the movement feels stiff and very fast, which isn't smth I'm a huge fan of since I have a slow reaction time compared to other people. It's just a preference

@@ArtHeartAlex That's fair enough :). I experienced the opposite. But honestly, HK being my first metroidvania probably had smth to do with it. And I think maybe had I started with Ori, I would've thought HK had things not going for it. I love Hollow Knight, I didn't like Ori as much. But I completely understand if you don't like Hollow Knight and love Ori. And despite our differences in preference or love for a game, I hope you just enjoy whatever games you play :). Sorry to hear about your slower reaction time, I hope it doesn't disrupt your life too much other than in games!

Funny you say that 😅 a few days after I made my half-life negative review video, he uploaded his portal with a similar thumbnail style and started his negative review series. I appreciate the comment, you're the only one who mentioned him without insulting me. He did make that celeste video a year or so before then, but I dont think it blew up until his other negative review videos

Suggesting that the game is perfect and that anyone who criticizes it is simply bad at the game is fanboi-ism at its worst. I adore these games and I gave "Blind Forest" a 10/10. But then I played the second game and realized just how much better the first game could have been. As much as criticizing "BF" for its combat is like criticizing chess for its graphics, I'm sure I'm not alone in observing that this was a worthwhile addition to the second game that facilitated boss battles that helped to add variation to the overall gameplay. By the same token, while bash is an excellent mechanic and one of the most creative additions to platforming I've ever seen, it was so good that it became a crutch or catch-all to solve all problems. I expect this is why they limited its use cases in the second game and introduced a variety of similar mechanics with different use cases that help to introduce variation to the gameplay while also complimenting the bash mechanic. I picked up Ori because I was looking for a Metroidvania game. But I'm not sure "BF" really qualifies as it's very linear. You do unlock skill upgrades, but they aren't meaningfully used for re-exploring previous areas. This is another thing they remedied with the second game. The world is bigger and decidedly non-linear. As you unlock new skills you can go back and explore previous areas to access parts that were previously inaccessible. The story is another area of Ori that is frequently mentioned as a positive. However, the story is quite minimalist in the first game. The second game explores exactly the same themes, but I feel does a much better job of narration and really takes time to paint the big bad as a tragic character rather than as the purest incarnation of evil. The skill depth and customization was also lacking in the original game. The trees were linear with a lot of pointless filler skills (e.g. buffing your single boring combat skill repeatedly when the game probably could have benefitted from leaving combat out of it entirely). Again, the second game resolved these issues by adopting the Hollow Knight system of allowing individually upgradeable skills that can be swapped in as needed. Basically, everything that made the first game great was done bigger and better in the second game. So as great as "Blind Forest" is, it still had plenty of opportunity for improvement and Moon Studios did a fantastic job of building on an already excellent concept. I don't think you have to be bad at the game to make these honest criticisms even while acknowledging the game was great.

⁠@@HardcoreCasualGW2 I agree that it’s unreasonable to call this game (or really any, but still) perfect and say that everyone with a complaint is bad, but a lot of these specific reviews, while containing some fair criticisms, really really just look like people who were bad at the game. It’s extra unfortunate since most of them probably wouldn’t try the sequel, which greatly improves on the first game

Yeap. I was searching for this comment.

Why the forest dying? Cause kuro stole the light from the tree. Without the light being carried by the tree the entire forest starts to die. Ori isn't the chosen one. They just happened to be the last of them. Why the light of the tree killed the chicks? Good question i guess we can assume it was too overwhelming for then when the tree tried to find Ori after they got lost. I dunno what you mean with unoriginal spirit stuff? What do you mean it's unexplained? This ain't HK. They ain't even comparable imho. You say HK gives it's world building with just it's in game elements. The good bold show don't tell. Which is great but it's far from being the only method. The world building is there in Ori. You just need to listen to dialogue. I replayed Ori recently and i gotta say i fell in love with it all over again. Movement in this game is so fluid it's like swimming through the maps.

@@nevadachi idk, i played the Will of the wisp recently and change my mind a Little bit. You are right about the answer, I guess that makes sense. With "unoriginal Spirit stuff" I mean that is a source of Power that Is linda unexplained. Or at least, i Guess It comes from the tree but idk. Probably it's Just a matter of tastes and I'm Just not in love with the lore of this game. I appreciated a lot Will of the wisp though.

'Huge and famous production'? Dude Blind Forest was done by 6-7 people...

No, they can enjoy better games

“Simlish nonsense?” You mean translated dialogue with accompanying audio in a different language or sound bits, a style of dialogue seen across several games like rpgs and most mario games? That must suck

@@sigsqrl "oree peepee poopoo oooooooooooh"

Not even close. It's undescribable​@@SpoonyBard88

So are there just suddenly no more “good games” now?

Check the release dates :>