I'm conflicted...Watching GAME OF THRONES~8x05'' The Bells ''For The FIRST Time 

D&D: “we kind of forgot…”

Thank God this is the first comment was about to make it.. Whose character arc was MOST eviscerated this episode, Jamie? Daenyrs? Tyrion? I'ma go with my girl brienne getting literally fucked over.

​@@ziva9266 Beat me to it. But yeah. I don't get how they could make such basic continuity errors. You'd think that script would have went by someone who would point it out.

Prey tell - what the hell was Varys doing? If he succeeded in killing Dany, doesn’t that mean Cersi stays on the throne? Darthraki don’t ride for John. The Unsullied don’t ride for John. Drogon ain’t his. How was he planning on defeating Cersi? Although Dany got screwed the upmost, I nominate Varys a close second. 🙄

does that really bother you?

Hell Sansa has a higher kill count.

A lot of people forget he was the first to kill a white walker. He also killed Thenns.

The Golden Company were as useful as teets on a Bull!!!

@@pjfsr7024 Hell the starving skinny dude that took apart the high septon during the riots against Joffrey has a higher count.

@@derps0n839 *Thenn

HELP

No😂

lamest joke ever. And there are still other Lannisters.

@@johnnyskinwalker4095source

@@Vffjjtt Casterly Rock

Shhh, don't complain. Roach could have spawned in the Red Keep.

That was the “lord of light” getting her an escape out of there basically

D&D kinda forgot Nymeria was a direwolf

Not GTA, Red Dead Redemption

And then uses another cheat code to make it disappear at the beginning of the next episode.

😂😂😂😂😂

This is one of the main things that really gets me about this disaster of ending to the series. Jamie and Cersei die from falling bricks?! Gotta be fucking kidding me

Oh no! This made me actually LoL!

😂😂😂😂😂I don't want it😂😂😂

SHE IS MY QUEEN SHE IS MY QUEEN SHE IS MY QUEEN SHE MY QUEEN SHE MY QUEEN SHE QUEEN SHE QUEEN SHEEN SHEEN!

I Don Wan It

The golden company becoming king of the scene kingdoms would have been equally as satisfying an ending.

@@beesmitty3435 Considering that that in the books they were mostly Blackfyre loyalists... No, that would actually make some sense. Sure, hardly anyone would want (book spoiler below) to actually conquer Westeros, but at least that's somewhat plausible. "Aegon VI"

He told Dany he would do this if he felt like she wasn’t doing her job. She told him she would burn him alive if he committed treason…. PAY ATTENTION.

@@avonbarksdale91 He told Dany he would tell her if she were wrong, and he did, and she didn’t listen. He doesn’t serve the people of the realm if he gets himself killed. YOU PAY ATTENTION, Lack of Social Skills. His death meant nothing because Jon’s claim to the throne ended up being meaningless.

It was the cause of Dany going mad@@b-six-twelve

LMAO this tho is a whole ass mood

It did, she went mad like half of her family, signs were always there.

@@cathleenwarner1778 that's exactly why I said "being a Dany Stan", you're not, so this is not bout u. and "half of her family" lmao!! quote at least 5 out of all 150+ Targaryens born in westeros.

I was today years old when I picked that up.

@@ob4ra Same... I'm ashamed

@@tjkrueger2655 Me too. And I’ve always prided myself as one who paid very close attention to this show & the dialogue..🤦‍♂️

​@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 it's ok, bad writing can confuse anyone. 😂

It would have been a fine addition if they had shown Dany handing over Varys a bag with someone's head in it, implying it's the little girl's head. It would have been an interesting final stepping stone to Dany going rogue because after all, even though she's a child, this little bird tried to poison Dany.

Yes, she would have won it, but if Mereen is any indication, none of it would have mattered. Sooner or later, she'd come in conflict with the north. Sooner or later, she'd demand a level of compliance and obedience that the culture of Westeros would simply be unable to give. Sooner or later, her harsh form of 'justice' would raise concerns even among her closest allies, further exacerbating her paranoia and escalating this brand of violence even further. Sooner or later, she'd simply be bored by the day to day realities of ruling and wish to conquer further. Sooner or later, Jon's heritage would be uncovered. Sooner or later, her promises of 'breaking the wheel' would ring as hollow as Xaro's giant vault. Sooner or later her dragons would reduce a city to ash.

Olenna's advice was selfish and not with Daenerys' best interest in mind. Olenna didn't care about the people of Westeros and who would be the better king or queen, Olenna's goal was to get revenge on Cersei, and the fastest way to do that was "Be a dragon".

And Jamie died in the arms of the woman he loved. Wonder if his brother goes in bed, at the age of 80, with a belly full of mead and a ...

sure...

@@yusufraage8554 clearly don’t read the books I see lol

@@marleymarsss You do?

pretty much. it was so dumb. Even sober addicts have a change, a trigger, a reason they slip back. Jaime had none of that. He left because he realized their values no longer aligned since she wasn't acting in the best interests of the country so why did he go back? did Cersei change her mind? no. did she apologize? no. did she interact with him at all? no. so what changed? I think the writers were trying to say that Jaime finally saw what life looks like without Cersei and he didn't like it because deep down he's just as "hateful" as Cersei and realized that he should be with her regardless of their conflict in values.....which is just....no words.

I still think it's too forced to make someone like Daenerys to take revenge on the whole city *except* Cersei *after they surrendered!* I also tried to think of an alternative solution that would have made that kind of"snap"more plausible and I thought of this:let's say Dany hears the bells,she and her men let their guards down and 1 Lannister soldier(who we should assume is particularly loyal to Cersei)kills Greyworm. *That* would be a plausible"final straw"that breaks Dany's mental state. But this way I don't buy it. She could fly straight to the Red Keep without burning the whole city below her. It would have made more sense!X-[

@@Nicamon The Dany's mental state is already broken since the first second of the episode. Kill Greyworm to justify what? She already has reasons to do what she does. Adding more dead teammates wasn't going to help improve her character development at this point. The city is full of Lannister soldiers and citizens who don't love her. They are all enemies for her. She is a conqueror as Daario told her. Now more than ever.

@@alejandroroldanortega819 She was never loved straight away in *any* of the places she conquered before. Why is it different this time?I believe no king has ever conquered a place _peacefully_ but it's what you do *after* you've conquered it that counts. She managed to do well so far...this is the 1st time she snaps on common people just because she isn't instantly beloved. #NotMyDaenerys

I believe new GOT watchers will have a similar perspective in the future and the ending will be more and more liked in the GOT fandom.

@@orton305 Yeah, I got my brother to watch GoT for the first time last year and when he finished it he didn't understand why it was hated so much either. I think there's an echo chamber surrounding the last two seasons online.

truly high school levels of talent

Same!! I actually thought of that as a plausible ending before watching S8!

Team comet.

I mean let’s be honestly it still makes sense though, she showed signs of madness very subtly the entire show. Yes it’s not the best ending and way too fast but her finally losing it makes sense. She came to a land that hated her, finally getting to a goal that was based on the legend of her family which conquered the land as well, believing that she was the greatest and deserved it all based on that…… that alone is slightly concerning

@@LS13. She was also initially hated and distrusted in the cities she has conquered before and yet she managed to prove she was worthy of it. Why had it to be different this time?I think no king conquered any reign _peacefully_ but it's what you do *after* you've conquered it that counts.

Agreed

Playing a bitch isn't exactly inspirational

I settle with rage.🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Mostly numb, w moment of unbridled rage lol, keep telling myself it's just a show, don't care so much, then a scene w Jamie pops up "never cared for innocent or otherwise" Me: "WTFAAARRGGGGHHHRGHRJFJFJFOSKQUSHDHXPSBXVWIFJFJD'KDKFBDHLJFJ"

@@beesmitty3435 Makes me want to play the bath scene with Brienne in front of him to refresh his memory!!X-#

Just be glad you aren't one of the thousands of fans that named their daughters Khaleesi before this series ended lmao

@@aedryk I still think it's a pretty fascinating name. And you can always specify that S8 Daenerys is"not your Daenerys"like I do! I literally wanted to draw the 7 Daenerys around a table with the Targaryen symbol on it glaring at S8 Daenerys and telling her:"You can't sit with us!😡💢"Just saying.

Why should she care?The one who we saw traveling around freeing slaves?Since WHEN she does not care about the peoples' well being?!? I _could_ have accepted this kind of"snap"if,for example,she heared the bells,she and her men let their guards down and 1 Lannister soldier(who we should assume is particularly loyal to Cersei)killed Greyworm. That could have been a plausible"final straw"to break Dany's mental state. But this way I don't buy it. She could fly straight to the Red Keep without burning the whole city below her. It would have made more sense!X-[

@@Nicamon Those were free men and women screaming in terror of her in King’s Landing, not slaves. The free men were crucified in Essos too. If they had chosen to follow her, cheer her on to kill Cersei, maybe things would’ve been different. Instead she decided to let it be fear, and she’s a scary motherfucker that no one was gonna fuck with after what she did. Her only flaw came afterwards.

It makes sense but the execution was shit. everything happens too fast. Perharps GRMM was right about making atleast 10 seasons instead of this bullcrap s7 and s8 thanks to D&D

@@Katakuri_08 Time passes in the show but we don’t see it, it’s not like a week after Daenerys gets to Westeros she destroys King’s Landing. What was shown makes sense for the character.

@@Katakuri_08 I liked S7. S8 is the problem.

"I didn't come here to be Queen of the Ashes."

Btw she never said that or threat anyone to get into the city in book she was invited to Quart unlike in show

“The blood of my enemies, not the innocent”

@@kevinbernardini1293 At the end, the citizens of King's Landing were not innocent to her. They chose Cersei. Nobody wanted Daenerys in Westeros, so the concept of innocents became relative, and the enemies grew.

He never did. He killed the Mad King when he ordered him to kill his own father. We'll never know if he would have done the same just to save the regular people. Maybe he would have just "send them his regards"...

It was a classic case of sh*ttalking, Jaime being cocky to try to deflect praise because he doesn't feel worthy and lessen the emotional impact of the moment. Tyrion sees right through it.

He never did but dumb redemption suckers wanted to believe every lie he told others on the way. Now they show their stupidity on the Internet.

Your a fucking idiot, it's not where they ended up but how they got there.

LMFAO keep lying to yourself! When the author doesn’t even agree with this ending it’s quite hilarious to see y’all keep making up bullshit excuses

No character ended up where they were supposed to be post s4 honey they literally cut out ALL of what dorne was actually doing but again keep lying to yourself!

@@Square-ow7oq Yes. It was because the last two seasons were short with the producers trying to wrap up the show as fast as they could. If the last two seasons were full length seasons, there would've been more time to connect her previous threats with her current state of mind.

Jamie always said he wanted to die in the arms of the woman he loved.

@@Kilo80Kilo I'm happy that the twins died the way they did 💞 (even if Cersei doesn't deserve it!😑💢)but I *really* would have wanted Jamie to *not* sleep with Brienne!!Their BROTP dynamic was *sensational* and so was their romantic tension,but it should have remained just that...unresolved tension. The way they handled them in the end it's unfair for both of them, but expecially Brienne!!X-((( 💔

Lmao, so poetry is dying w anyone you shared a womb with? What poetry you reading?

I was less bothered by their deaths than the way he got back to Kingslanding in the first place. I got whiplash from how fast Jaime turned around.

Danny should have killed the Night King(true fire v ice), move Arya's moment to killing Cersei. Jamie should have survived and started rearing pigs or some shit. Bran always knew that city was done for.

Lady Olenna " BE A DRAGON" Missandei " Dracarys" Dario called her a conquerer in season 5 or 6. This didn't just come out of nowhere.

@@avonbarksdale91 It's the OMG this season is only 8 episodes that presented a problem. The people she'd rescued from slavery understood.

Redemption suckers will never accept that Jaime's story was never meant to be what they wanted. They are the second dumbest part of the audience after Danidiots.

@@avonbarksdale91 season 7 and 8 were shot together. Even then, signs of snapping only appear in season 8. "Be a dragon" from Olenna didn't mean spitting fire on harmless civilians only. As a fact, she did just that. She did NOT fire to the army sacrificing innocents in the process to show strenght (Olenna probably meant that): she burned innocents directly. It has nothing to do with conquering. In fact, conquerors does NOT destroy their future domains: what she did was the literal exact opposite of what conquerors do. Yes, it came out of nowhere. She will also give that delirious speech in the next episode, confirming she didn't just snapped momentarily: she turned completely to the dark side within hours, and you know it. So, what are you talking about?

@@mimmo4762 This is game of thrones…. Nobody in this show cares about the innocent people living in kings landing except for Tyrion and sir Davos. Cersi blew up the sept with the wildfire that danys dad had out throughout the city lol Dany has always wanted to burn up kings landing all along but was talked out of it by her Westeros born advisors. It’s very clear to her that nobody in Westeros fucks with her because she’s a foreign invader in there eyes. So yeah In that moment after she’s lost everything sitting on that dragon ALONE and she hears those bells ringing. It’s TOO LATE. You going to use these people against me so I won’t kill you cersi?!? Guess what my people are the Dothraki and unsullied. We’ll start over.

She got killed by her palace, which is a good irony because everything she did was to keep her power and position there. She died losing everything... except the only positive thing in her life, her love for Jaime.

Died in the place shew felt most safe, that is the irony and well written.

STOP IT!!! 😂

It's not rushed. In fact, it was painfully slow. In fact if you weren't concerned about Dany's mental state at least by the time she was barbecuing the Tarlys, you were watching this show with your eyes closed. As to Star Wars easily debunkable conspiracies (number of episodes was finalized way before Star Wars) the less said the better. And if they were in a 'rush to get over with the show' why did they spend 2 years instead of the usual 1 for the final season, which by all accounts has some of the most technically challenging shooting in the entire series?

@@SerbAtheist you might think the final season up to the standard of story telling set by the series but I don't and I'm not the only one. Just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean I'm an idiot watching with eyes closed. Rude and unnecessary. If you actually read what I wrote above I never said anything about the actions not being believable for the character at all, in fact I stated that above, so I don't know what you're banging on about with Dany's mental state comment. No shit she had issues. Simply, I don't think certain characters, hers included, had their final arcs fleshed enough... It's a simple matter of thinking they could have used more time... Which was the original plan for very good reasons.

@@SerbAtheist oh and I've not only watched the series many times but read every piece of literature associated with the world of ice and fire multiple times so yeah I'm well entitled to my opinion.

@@dfunkt2291 'Just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean I'm an idiot watching with eyes closed.' Where the hell did I call you an idiot. Smart people can be blinded by their biases as well, especially given how unconventional GOT is when it comes to storytelling. In fact it's quite often that new and revolutionary works are mocked, ridiculed and even hated simply for not playing by the old playbook, for example impressionist paintings were once dismissed as children drawings. But if you care to listen, I believe some of my experience might be of value. The reason I was able to catch that Dany was up to no good was that I literally went through this in REAL LIFE. Look at my username. We Serbs had our own, much less attractive, Daenerys Targaryen that answered to the name of Slobodan Milošević. He was gonna preserve Yugoslavia, bring peace, make sure Serbian interests were respected, protect Serbs in Kosovo. By the time we realized we were duped it was too f-ing late! This is why I'll forever be cynical of everyone proclaiming they're gonna 'break the wheel,' whatever the wheel may be. For years I believed the Serbs were only the good guys and the innocent victims of the Yugoslav wars. For years I didn't believe the Srebrenica massacre happened. When I slowly learned of credible evidence that my perspective was wrong, it was just like what you, Jon, Tyrion and the rest of the audience were feeling when Dany went rogue except the dead people were actually dead for real, never to get up after the director yelled 'cut!' So yeah, be glad you were only duped by a stupid TV show.

@@dfunkt2291 ' I'm well entitled to my opinion.' Yeah, you're entitled to your opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts, and spreading blatant misinformation about D&D and their motivations very much counts in this regard. See, it's not enough for you to say D&D made a bad season, or even that they are bad showrunners. Big whoop! Even the greatest artists have produced subpar works. No, the reason you're so eager to believe and propagate blatant falsehoods is that you want to permanently delegitimize them. Nope, they weren't just people who made a bad call or dropped the ball. They were these greedy caricatures who purposely sledgehammered their own show, thinking they'd jump to another one, but, oh, jokes on them, they got cancelled! What a story! In this way, you can completely bury the final season in concrete and never ever consider the points it makes seriously. You can protect your ego and ignore the fact you spent 7 seasons rooting for a bloodthirsty genocidal maniac. You can keep on believing that you'd never fall victim to propaganda and that the causes and people you support will always be good ones.

The writers must have accidentally used the search and replace option to change all of his original lines to "You're my queen." But they did go back and change a few of them to "I don't want it."

@@JoeSmith-dh6se that writer must be screen writer guy aka Ryan right😁

@@kyujunaedi7612 Whaaaat? I have no idea what you're talking about. 😜

@@JoeSmith-dh6se ohhhhhh pretend to don't know what I'm talking about is tight!!!

@@kyujunaedi7612 In all seriousness. I hope someone convinces Sophie to react to the Season 8 pitch meeting. It let me rewatch the last season as the comedy that it is, rather than be upset or disappointed at most of the characters acting very much out of character.

Just another example of how D&D's scripts for the last few seasons made no sense whatsoever.

One can find parallels between Viserys's short and pitiful journey and Dany's much longer and more grandiose journey all day long: (S8E6 spoilers ahead!) 1) Viserys' crown? Melted. Dany's throne? Melted. 2) Viserys careless when the promise of a crown was at hand? Check. Dany careless when the Iron Throne was at hand? Check. 3) Viserys and Daenerys both failing to understand the culture of the place in which they seek power. 4) Viserys and Daenerys both believing that having people be indebted to them is a surefire path to power and influence. 5) Viserys and Daenerys both thinking they could be as violent as they want without consequence (Viserys because of the laws of Vaes Dothrak, Dany because of Drogon). 6) Viserys and Daenerys both taking their frustrations out on the innocent (Dany's baby, the citizens of KL) 7) Viserys and Daenerys both shocked when the final hammer drops on them. 8) Viserys and Daenerys both obsessed with their legacy all the while not realizing just how fragile and precarious their position actually is, as people they trust talk behind their backs. 9) Viserys and Daenerys both killed by someone who was indebted to them (Viserys gave his sister to Drogo, Dany rescued Jon). 10) Viserys and Daenerys both abandoned by the only person left that loved them as a lost cause.

Finally people kind of get some of the poetic writing. I agree they did it very quickly in the end, but the signs were there. So many hated that they didn’t see a happy finale- it gets me confused. Sure it wasn’t grand but it makes more sense than Dany and Jon ruling as one. Danys madness was there since day one

@@LS13. Don't be confused... the hate came cause Starks and especially Sansa won . If their beloved Targaryan ended to the iron throne the majority of the haters (except book fan readers ) will celebrate their win but but but .... 😂😂😂

We still have two though 👀

​@@ziva9266 Jon and?

@@hristovapostol in 8x05 Dany was still alive

They were the ones who fucked it up to begin with

Hahahahaha how sway? You mean helped create I believe. Both of their actions are the most direct actors in relation to her snapping, maybe Tyrion too. Sansa was turned into a mean spiteful short thinking character.. and varus like Tyrion was turned into a meddling imbecile..

@@beesmitty3435how does Sansa and Varys contribute to Dany’s descent when it already began seasons ago before she even knew them?

I don`t think it was fun she felt at that moment

D&D writing and destroying this show still hurts many years after

@@queenxx1690 "bEsT sEaSoN eVaH!!1!!11!!1"

@@Nicamon yeah

@@queenxx1690 You think GRM would wrote it otherwise? Think again. He was still advising D D till the end

@@boxmulla You can reach the same conclusion with a better development/excuse.Knowing that your enemies have surrendered and going straight to massacre them all *except* for the only one you're *actually* pissed at(Cersei)it's stupid and makes no sense...if Martin writes the _exact_ same thing,he's stupid too.

Except Cleganebowl... *Airhorn*

@@luigicavallo270 If you are referring to the hound vs the mountain, even that was poorly done in my opinion. It would have been more satisfying for me if the Hounds sword would have become engulfed in flame in his hour of desperation against his brother tying in his fear of fire but being chosen all along by the lord of light to serve a greater purpose.

@@dragonray9450 ok, mate, that's just hoping too much...I didn't want it to be an epic moment or whatever...I just wanted it to be a fitting ending for my favorite character in the whole series...and the fact that he died killing the man he hated the most with the thing he hated the most was good enough for me...

@@luigicavallo270 Happy for you mate :) I was just giving an example of a well thought out ending if they had not rushed to move on to the next project :)

lmao I just watched that THANK YOU

That's what feels so weird if that was what they were trying to foreshadow. Because they foreshadow an evil turn even harder for the other major characters. Sansa, Jon & Arya all kill people with sadistic pleasure at some point, but Daenerys, the one character who's been expressing concern for collateral damage while her advisers (including Verys) keep pushing her to be more brutal earlier this season? What are they trying to say? We live in a society? Everyone's one bad day away from genocide? We get a joker ending???

Exactly what I was thinking when I finished the series. I never understood the fanbase critics about Dannys storyline. If I had expirienced what she did I would snap too

@Robot Sin and look at our society and world. How many people snap and do some dumb shit over an argument or road rage etc. Or a putin type... shit like that happens... but she also comes from a family of incest and problems. They've hinted at it for years.. yes, she wanted to be good, and did a lot if good things but she also always wanted to spit fire and blood. How many people did she burn when she could have just punished them. She had a dark streak as well. And when 1 person has that much power and dragons. What could go wrong... and when she loses everything, she snapped and wanted cersi to feel the wrath.

@@samrobotsin "Daenerys, the one character who's been expressing concern for collateral damage" ... uhm, I'm sorry?? She showed and practiced cruelty quite often, and was held back by her advisors as much as often! Otherwise she would have eradicated cities long before.

In the end there isn’t much Jon can do. Jaime has been for Cercei since day 1- he was a good man but he always clearly lived for her. Dany got to a goal that wasn’t what she imagined it to be, in a land that hated her, believing she was destined and the greatness to save them all (that alone is madness) Cercei was in full denial. Euron simply missed. And the Bells in the end simply mean a big decision or big event, so them ringing them for surrender makes sense.

@@LS13. The copium is real in this one

@@BhBc8f8 in the end it really is that simple. And it doesn’t really matter lol. Whatever way they would have ended it wouldn’t be enough for fans. The mistake they did was just rushing it otherwise it is what it is.

@@LS13. You make it sound like good endings is some kind or rarity. I've finished about 112 shows and books in my life time and GoT has the worst written season finale i've seen so far. The key is logic and consistency. Those are the rules we were given by the show. Every character survives by making as few mistakes as possible and learning from them, those are the rules this fictional universe abides by. In S1 we saw Ned provoke Tywin Lannister > confront Cersei > Ignore LF > arrested and killed in the finale, and yet no one complained about how the ending was written because it made sense. In S3 we see Robb break his sacred vow > ignore Roose Bolton at every turn > execute Lord Karstark > and then butchered at the red wedding, and yet no one complained about how the ending was written because it made sense. In S5 we see Jon befriend the "enemy" > ignore Stannis > ignore Ser Allister as usual > go against centuries of tradition and the wishes of the Nights Watch > and then branded a traitor and killed by his own men, and yet no one complained about how the ending was written because it made sense. S8 however was a complete disaster for the show. Tyrion makes a mistake every episode, Jon is barely a character, the golden company had no horses, Dany kind of forgot she was at war, and list goes on. Every time you think you've seen a good point that supports the outcome, along comes an even better point that goes against the outcome, it's so divisive because there was no logical consistency. Instead of being entertained and satisfied with the story, the fans were arguing with one another and making memes on reddit. That's not what a good written ending looks like. The wrapping up of plot points and character arcs in S8 simply made no sense whatsoever, but then again how could it with just 6 episodes? That's an impossible task, which is why HBO offered them more episodes but D&D refused cause of burn out fatigue and were apparently too arrogant to pass on the touch to someone else. If GRRM ever finishes the books, the first thing you'll notice will be the enormous difference in quality, sound logic, consistency and of course much better dialogue than muh queen, because those have and will always be the hallmark of good writing.

it is known

Warriors fight other warriors, and follow moral principles, even at the cost of losing for them. What you seem to admire are just killers and tyrants

S8E4 A slow moving and injured dragon taken by surprise. S8E5 A fast moving dragon coming from the direction of the Sun controlled by a wrathful and determined queen.