I'm Obsessed With Venus Now. Here's Why 

as an object of study, no problem. As something to land probes on - no. they all melt from the heat, and eroded by the acid. The longest a probe has lasted is about 90 minutes - and then the carried along refrigerant ran out.

I bet AI will figure out a way to clear the atmosphere and reduce pressures. Venus might be explorable in 1 thousand years.

Very funny comment

@@cougar2013 Thank you!

Best comment on RU-vid! 👍

@@IdeologieUK Haha...Thank's!

Love it! I recall once, while on holiday in the US, a weatherman saying something along the lines of, “and if you’re out shopping at the mall in the car, don’t forget to crack a window for granny”. It’ll be a long time before we terraform Venus but.....

As a Mars obsessive, me too. (:

since elementary school Venus has always been one of my fav planets( and io was one of my fav moons)

A moon would be easier to land on, sample, and return to earth. Maybe set up a mining operation for minerals that are in short supply on earth too?

.​@@tvtothepointAlmost everything mined on the moon would be used on the moon or a nearby orbiting station.

@@tvtothepoint You would not land on Venue. Think cloud cities like in star wars. At 30 miles up (50km) the temperature, air pressure, and gravity are similar to Earth. You would need to wear a clean suit, not a pressure suit. You could fill a balloon with nitrogen, it would stay at the correct height. or very close to it. I think you would start by mining the atmosphere, instead of the planet. I believe Musk uses CO2 to make his fuel. Venue's atmosphere is 90% CO2. Instead of making 10 trips from Earth to the orbiting fuel Depots, you could make 1 trip from Venus to the orbiting fuel depots. No, the gravity at 30 miles up is the same as that of Earth at Sea level. Venus is tipped on it's axis at 90%. It's poles at facing East and West. It's day is longer than it's year, and it's orbit is retrograde. Meaning it spin west to East instead of East to West. I think it was hit by something very large. This might have something to do with the fact it has no moon. I don't know how fast the atmosphere is moving. I've heard 300 mph. I don't know if that's at the surface, 30 miles up, or both.

Hmm but you totally missed the interaction with the mic and the beard... aren't ya? Just 1/3 of an inch would have done the trick ... :P

@@khorga485 I don't think it's necessary to nitpick inconsequential details. I was too busy absorbing the quality of the content to focus on a beard...

@@farrenn9514 Sure anything is subjective in this world in the end... have a good one anyway

Sexist to not respect the beard adequately

@@farrenn9514 When you highlight the "fantastic audio" i would not call it "nitpicking" to point out there is a slight scratching sound through the entire thing. You are right, its hard to notice and the quality of the content easily distracts you from it. But then praise the content, not the audio.

Agrèe! Mercury is a fascinating world, (not least the orbit)

Especially re Mercury's magnetic field, and it's decay rate.

Phosphene is in the clouds of Jupiter, did life create it there? I'm a retired aerospace engineer and studied biology for life support systems. I stopped believing the fairy tale that life assembled itself through natural processes after seeing how complicated even the simplest life is. Origin of Life research has no research into relevant early Earth conditions that is meaningful. Fossil record shows the sudden appearance of photosynthetic life 3.6 billion ya and as my biology professor wondered was that for billions of years there was no evolution, just the same archaebacterial prokaryotes making the oxygen we breath.

It's a better concept than terraforming, something that would require a solar system worth of resources and probably wouldn't work. Instead of going there and trying to make it here we should use what is *different* about these places to find new ways of existing. If we don't need to live on the surface and can exist fine in the clouds why should that bother us?

My favorite case scenario is humanity be able to safely change orbits of planets and moon's and give to Venus a orbit around Planet Jupiter or between Jupiter and the asteroid belt...😯👍😎🙂

I wonder how much water one could make out of Venus sulfuric acid clouds.

With a long zylon tether and a hard diving suit like aparatus with an umbilical refigration system delivered power from the blimp, I think some actual footprints on the surface would be possible, for just a few minutes mind you. It could get a few surface samples though.

Balloons will work great on Venus. The atmosphere is way heavier than Earth, so even gasses like oxygen and nitrogen have buoyancy

@@vidyaishaya4839 so does water vapour in lower layers

Musik, You have an interesting idea but how would we keep the balloon from melting?

@@Razm-a-Tazzi do you mean the hull, or the gondola? mostly by using materials, that are up to the temperatures. remind you, we don't go all the way down to the ground.

Perhaps no iron core? Or an iron core not rotating? At least, with a lot of volcanoes there must be a high temperature in the inner part of the planet, perhaps it can be too hot also, that all the volcanoes tell us the temperature are too high for a magnetic field to be created?

Not rotation iron core.

Venus rotation is too slow. So it can’t generate a magnetic field.

Not an astrophysicist here, but I’ve wondered if our collision with the proto Moon and the enormous thermal energy created by the collision accounts for our still molten core. And of course the spinning core creates our magnetic field.

@@beefandbarley Our collision was with a planet the size of Mars, not a proto Moon

After a discussion, I asked ChatGPT to write me up a project proposal and time! Make it so! ---------- Proposal for a First Balloon Mission to Venus Introduction Venus is a unique planet in our solar system, with a thick and dynamic atmosphere that has fascinated scientists for decades. Despite several successful missions to the planet, much about its atmosphere remains unknown. To explore the atmosphere of Venus and better understand the planet's weather and climate, we propose a balloon mission to the upper atmosphere of Venus. This mission will involve launching a series of autonomous balloons into the atmosphere of Venus, equipped with sensors and instruments to gather data on the planet's atmosphere. Mission Objectives The primary objectives of the mission are as follows: * To study the atmospheric conditions, including temperature, pressure, wind patterns, and chemistry, at different altitudes and latitudes of Venus. * To measure the cloud composition and structure in the upper atmosphere of Venus, including the cloud particles' size, shape, and chemical composition. * To study the atmospheric dynamics, including the formation and behavior of atmospheric features such as vortices, waves, and eddies. * To assess the feasibility of long-term human habitation in the upper atmosphere of Venus. Mission Design The proposed mission will involve launching a fleet of autonomous balloons into the atmosphere of Venus from an orbiter or lander. The balloons will be designed to withstand the harsh conditions of the Venusian atmosphere, including high temperatures, pressure, and corrosive sulfuric acid. The balloons will be equipped with a range of instruments, including temperature and pressure sensors, cameras, and spectrometers, to measure the atmospheric conditions and cloud properties. The balloons will be designed to operate independently, each capable of adjusting its altitude and position to follow the wind patterns and gather data on different regions of the atmosphere. The balloons will be powered by solar panels and will be designed to have a long lifespan, allowing them to remain in the atmosphere for months or even years. Communication and Navigation To communicate with the balloons, we propose establishing a network of satellites in orbit around Venus. These satellites will provide navigation and communication support for the mission, allowing us to track the position and status of the balloons in real-time. The balloons themselves will be equipped with navigation and communication systems, such as Doppler radar or radio beacons, to provide real-time location information back to mission control on Earth. Conclusion In conclusion, we believe that a balloon mission to Venus will provide valuable insights into the planet's atmosphere and help us better understand the planet's weather and climate. The proposed mission will be challenging, but we believe that with careful planning and design, it is achievable. The data gathered by this mission will be invaluable to future missions to Venus and to our overall understanding of the solar system. Rough timeline for the mission: Design Phase: Year 1 (2023): Research and conceptualization of balloon mission, including balloon design, instrumentation, and communication systems. Development Phase: Year 2-3 (2024-2025): Detailed design of the balloon, testing of materials for corrosion resistance, development of propulsion and navigation systems, testing of instrumentation, and development of communication systems. Year 4 (2026): Manufacturing and assembly of the balloon and its components. Launch Phase: Year 5 (2027): Launch of the balloon from Earth, with an expected transit time of 4-6 months to reach Venus. Main Mission Phase: Year 6-7 (2028-2029): Once the balloon reaches Venus, the main mission phase begins, which will include navigating the balloon to various altitudes and latitudes to study the atmosphere and climate. The main mission will last for 1-2 years, depending on the performance of the balloon and the success of the mission objectives. Wrap-up Phase: Year 8-9 (2030-2031): At the end of the main mission phase, the balloon will be maneuvered to a safe landing site on Venus or allowed to descend into the planet's atmosphere. Data and findings from the mission will be analyzed and reported. Year 10 (2032): Final report of mission results published and mission officially concluded.

Provided you had a good supply of water (which would have to be imported as the planet has none in any state, or perhaps capture hydrogen to make water), there's no reason a cloud island on Venus couldn't be made to work. Though we clearly need to refine our human habitable terrariums, we don't want oxygen levels getting too low like the scientists who immured themselves in Biosphere Two experienced! And one of the most important steps in this regard would be to let cement (or a concrete like material) to cure thoroughly so it doesn't suck up all the oxygen!

Titan is better . Would be cool to colonize clouds woold give us a new trip to mars . Would have to bring every supply to Venus tho . Unless it’s in the atmosphere for extraction .

​​@@jondoc7525 You get a lot from the atmosphere. You only need the hydrogen to make water. And you can make a lot of stuff out of carbon. But yeah most you have to bring. But Venus has almost the same gravity as earth, same air pressure and temperature. The in sky. Floating cloud city just sounds so cool. And it has protection from radiation with it's thick atmosphere. We can get a lot more solar energy at Venus and energy from the heat below.

@@kristinehansen. much harder to start tho , but it’s on the list after titan the gas station

Sky city ftw

​@@kristinehansen.Talking out your ass , Venus does NOT have the same temperature and gravity as Earth. Not even close Venus is 900 degrees F hot enough to melt metal 😂😂😂

Thanks a lot, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Paul is a lot of fun, we've talked many times in the past so I knew it would be a banger.

​@@frasercain With two and a half NASA missions on the way I'm just wondering Why WHY WHYYYYY DIDN'T NASA get together whit ESA JAXA And others and build a flagship mission the cost of a flagship mission is higher but the science reword is also so much higher And as a collaboration between others than NASA would be out of pocket just a tad more than now And I'm willing to bet that if NASA had a flagship mission on the table agencies from around the world would jump at the possibility of being a part of it An ISS style collaboration to Venus What would be better other than two flagship missions that is 😂 Just saying 🇳🇴

I agree 👍 greetings from the other side of Europe , greetings 🙋🏻‍♂️from 🇬🇷

The "benign" environment in the clouds of Venus still seems to be a conceptual blind spot for too many space enthusiasts. Perhaps floating around among the Venusian clouds doesn't excite them?

​@@M5a1r4c7 For what reason would you do that?😊

@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 Seems like a fantastic vacation spot. Vacationing in a city in the clouds with 81 degrees F and near normal atmospheric pressure. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EwH686rgyBg.html

Glad you enjoyed it

I like

Just put a giant straw between both planets

I think it has to do with earth sized worlds possessing immense amounts bulk volatiles in their warmer mantles and persistent volcanism needed to constantly release those gases and maintain an atmosphere over geologic time but also the gravity required to hold it all down. Keep in mind that even though Venus' atmosphere is massive it likely already lost a couple Earth's worth of atmospheres in the form of lighter molecules. The Co2 is heavy enough to stick around even without a magnetosphere so it built up without a long term sequestration mechanism such as oceans, convective plate tectonics or even carbon fixing life. As matter of fact if earth wasn't constantly sequestering Co2 it would have easily built up here too so my theory is if Venus had an ocean and life they didn't exist long enough to sequester the Co2 maybe due to being closer to the sun, less initial bulk water content, massive impacts, insufficient magnetosphere or extreme volcanic events that boiled off the oceans and anything in them. From there a Co2 rich atmosphere naturally builds up which I actually think is the most common path for earth sized rocky worlds with volcanism but no long term oceans or carbon fixing life.

​@A. Forbes CO2 isn't strong enough to be the reason it's hot. CO2 has a very limited heating effect and Venus being so much closer to the sun is the reason it's hot. That and the lack of magnetics.

And the fact that it has an insanely thick atmosphere. That's probly the biggest reason.

@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 That's a bit inaccurate, while CO2 does have a fairly limited heating effect at the concentrations and magnitude present on Venus it is the main reason the planet has a higher constant surface temperature than Mercury which is much closer to the Sun. As matter of fact Venus is actually in the Sun's habitable zone for liquid water. So without the dense CO2 atmosphere Venus would be a tropical planet which is what scientists initially thought it was before sending probes. Being closer to the Sun would only make it tens of degrees hotter than earth with all other things being equal to the atmospheric parameters of earth, 41C degrees to be exact vs earth's average of 15C rather than the couple hundred degrees we currently observe.

@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 That and an atmosphere so dense.. thats pretty much like water in the deepest depths. It'll crush you in an instant.

Sure, but there’s no way to extract resources from the surface to make the settlement sustainable. The only exports would be gases from the atmosphere.

I've seen some suggestions that the extremely thick atmosphere might get you very slow rotation from solar tides

I like this idea, but doesn't Venus lack plate tectonics? Is the mantle just too hot for it?

I think the balloon idea is terrific. Design a hardened instrument cluster that could be lowered by cable down to the surface, perhaps receiving coolant through the tether lines connecting it to the balloon, which could survive for a number of hours to take readings and collect samples from the surface, before being retracted back up out of the hellish surface conditions, to deliver its samples back to the balloon "mother ship" overhead in the "earthlike" temperature zone of the atmosphere... at some point those samples could be robotically transferred to a rocket to launch them out of Venus's atmosphere into orbit, where they could then rocket back to Earth for analysis, or be captured by an Earth return vessel designed to transport them back to Earth. A mission capable of lowering an instrument sled down to the inhospitable surface could return massive amounts of useful data and measurements as well as samples.

I couldn't believe how low resolution data we have about the surface of Venus.

@@frasercain well, the venus days are fairly acid cloudy after all. 😂

Earth got a lot of water and iron from comet collisions, maybe Venus didn't.

@@larscarter7406 I do hear an awful lot about how the period of meteor collision gave Earth its water. However, I don't really hear that specifically extending to include the major collision with Theia. Perhaps it's assumed? Anyway, I propose that Earth's collision with Theia (a possibly water-rich world like Ceres, frozen water ice and all that), gave Earth an interior dynamo and resulting magnetosphere, plate tectonics, a moon responsible of dictating Earth's rotational characteristics, tides, the oceans themselves, and possibly more. Sort of makes me want to bust Ceres out of its orbit and slam it into Venus in the same perfect glancing blow.

More of a geological question... weathering of rocks takes carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere due to chemical interactions between freshly exposed rocks and the atmosphere. This process doesn't rely on life to sequester carbon like reefs or other sea life incorporating it into its shells and forming limestone, or plants metabolizing carbon dioxide into sugars (which are carbohydrates, which when buried and heated sufficiently turn into hydrocarbons, ie fossil fuels). I've read that many scientists attribute the current phase of alternating ice ages and interglacial periods to the massive upthrust and weathering of the Himalayan mountains, which is exposing massive amounts of previously buried rocks to weathering, scrubbing massive amounts of carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and leading to the currently (relatively speaking, in terms of geological time scales) lower levels of CO2 which leads to ice ages... of course not considering modern technological "injections" of CO2 from "manmade sources". Historically speaking from a geological time frame perspective, most of Earth's history has had MUCH higher levels of CO2 than the present, even "manmade" levels of CO2, and life has not only survived but thrived.

Sure, that next generation of Lidar scans will bring the resolution down to just a few meters. If there are cities there, we'd detect them.

At my part of this planet, the temperature hasn't raised in the 8 decades I've lived here. Summer, fall, winter, spring pretty much stay in the same range they always have. Don't swallow everything people try to feed you. If your only salvation is submitting to authority, the threat is always fake.

For real this Guys a sheep . Earth can absorb like 6-7 times the Carbon currently here . Plants already can from our past . Sun cycles , glaciers growing , our place in the galaxy orbit , earth changing forest to desert before we exist and back die to our 20k earth wobble . Lots of money in tricking you

That being said agreed on checking out Venus . We need a helicopter in those clouds snapping photos of the surface

We can guess at its composition based on its size and mass which gives us its density. Different kinds of material have different density, so you can tell if it's mostly made of metal and rock or gas.