LOVE this gas content, Kyle. I've owned two Model S in the past but there is nothing new with them. I recently bought a Panamera and I'm really liking it. Porsche builds really good cars. In my opinion, a cheap EV for daily boring driving and a Porsche for road tripping and weekends sounds good.
honestly there's a lot of us in the same camp as you Kyle, who like both Gas and EV. The internet just tends to skew opinions to one side or the other.
Nice I took my Cayman 4.0 to the same Target when I took delivery last year. Broke in the 1000 miles coming from NorCal. Best road I've been on by far!
Great video. For a so-called, "EV Guy", you really know how to make a manual transmission car dance! It shouldn't be controversial to say there is room for both ICE and EV cars to co-exist, yet here we are. Thank you.
Totally agree with this. It’s frustrating that so many channels and journalists have an EV only or an extreme ICE only viewpoint. My dream garage woukd be a taycan sport turusno plus a boxster spyder
There is something so deeply and primally joyful and visceral about pushing a decent performing manual car through some twisty roads. I have a 12 yr old manual mk7 gti which is not the fastest by modern standards but it’s so uplifting to hammer through the gears on my favourite piece of tarmac, just smiles for miles.
inline 3 could sound pretty much just as good while being lot better in every other way besides not having as much power. it only get smuch better at inline 6 , then v12 or v10, then things gets too heavy to be worthwhile like maybe some sort of x24 like connaught
@@123antimiro The 4 cylinder turbos sound absolutely horrible when you start them up. I had a 987S and its' exhaust note was much more raw, than my current GTS 4.0.
What a great review. I’m completely with you on everything you said. I’m lucky enough to drive a Tesla Model 3 performance as my daily and a cayman 981 for weekend fun. Definitely room for both. Both do their own thing really well but are soooo different. Great job 👍
I’m with you bro. I have a Tesla M3P for daily and a 981 GT4 for the weekends. Why does everything have to be so binary with people? Different tools for different jobs! Paying $6 bucks a week and zero maintenance on the daily and ripping up the mountains on the weekends in the howling flat 6 is heaven!
First off, I love this content! We used to own a 987 Cayman S. Compared to the Model 3 SR+ 2021, the Cayman was way more comfortable in the suspension and still handled like nothing else in the comfort mode. And that hydraulic steering was just something else. You should for sure try one if you get the chance!
Nice work and great to see a balanced view appreciating the different merits of EV and ICE. On the performance i havent found it to be wanting, each BHP is pulling 3.5kgs, so get that in a heavier EV you’d need to be at 570 bhp. Perhaps it’s more the immediate torque
This is the video I’ve been waiting for! ICE and EVs both have their strengths, so why not enjoy the best of each? I recently got my new Cayman GTS 4.0 in a manual, because all of the good manual cars are in their final generation now. For me, the GTS is the sweet spot: not as harsh or low as the GT4 (and no wing blocking the rear view), and not as large as the 992 911s (and better balanced). At 6’1” I fit fine, even with my helmet on. The frunk holds 2 roller bags and the back holds 2 backpacks, enough for road trips in my future. For the second of my 2 car solution, I want something smaller and lighter than a Lucid or EV6 GT, and not a tall SUV. On my radar for a small and premium EV daily: Volvo EX30, BMW Neue Klasse (likely called i3) and Rivian R3. My garage awaits! I’ll be watching for your reviews.
Airline pilot here. I commute to LAX in my MP3, but it stays parked while my combustion sports cars do the daily/ canyon fun. And I'm not the only pilot that does it that way.
Couple of things, soul performance opf delete is a must, pretty cheap. If you want to go extra crazy you can get a RS like intake from gold leaf performance. Misha did a ring run with this intake in a gt4 recently. it is compatible with gt4 and gts 4.0 engines. lastly don’t forget about deman 4.5 upgrade. I have had a gts4.0 for a few years now and I am completely in love.
"Medicine for the soul" is exactly what it is. After a long week at work, ripping around in my GTS4.0 is the best medicine. It gets more Smiles Per Gallon than most cars on the road.
These are strange times -- and yes, I'm happy to see that this -- and others like it -- still exist. EVs are fun too, but something is lost in the "gain". It's like when CDs started replacing LPs. With LPs, the listener was more "one with the music" -- Discwashing the LP, placing the needle on the record and sitting back to listen -- then flipping the LP at the halfway point to listen to the "flip-side"! CDs were easier and more mobile (Car CD players), but stil something was lost with the "gain". And yes, I'm old -- college in the late '70's!
One of these days, I'll get myself a 718 GTS 4L lol....oh, but they do offer different ring gears to shorten up a few of the gears (I think it's tightening 2-5) which drastically improves the whole 718 experience, they offer the shorter gears for the manual and the PDK, then all you need is an exhaust and a Numeric shifter, possibly some wheels and grippier tires, and she's perfect. 👌
Hi Kyle I fall into that category. Been daily driving a hybrid since 2003, Volt PHEV/EREV since 2011, and multiple BEVs since 2013 so an early adopter. Also been an enthusiast of Japanese mid-engine two seat sports cars, 93 MR2 Turbo, 99 NSX Zanardi edition which is really a type-S when that meant something, and my latest fun car a 2017 gen2 NSX
I don't blindly hate EV's but like many don't want them legislated down my throat. My confusion is how someone with decent footwork like you ends up having an EV channel in the first place.
Wow! You just earned my respect Kyle. I’m so tired of EV car channels forcing EV down your throat as it’s the only solution. Of course it’s not. Thank you! If you go to Norway I’ll let you enjoy my GT4RS on our awesome roads up north of the Arctic Circle. Plz come! I mean it. And btw, I was a very early Taycan adopter an know my way around what goes for EVs, but sold it 2 yrs ago as I found it corrupted my enjoyment of my sport cars. I can elaborate on camera if you take the trip
Funny this comes up now. As someone who owns an EV, I recently started thinking about how I miss having a car with a manual transmission. I regret selling some of my previous cars. I think the perfect balance is to have one of each with the EV being the more daily driver. Eventually, I would prefer to have a gasoline car with manual transmission as a second car that I can take out just for fun.
I lust after the 4.0, but I currently drive the 2.7liter Cayman and can't justify the crazy cost. The 2.7 flat 6 howls in just as satisfying way. So, I'm the ICE guy who is actually looking at getting into electric w/ the Ioniq5 N. The grin factor of that w/ the usability of the hot-hatch... Win! PS: close the drink holder center trim to stop the drink arm from swinging w/ G's ;-)
Great content as always Kyle. I could not agree more with your assessment that EVs make for the best daily driver you could possibly ask for but when it comes to fun weekend drives it's hard to beat an engaging gas vehicle. With that said I can't wait to get some seat time in the IONIC 5 N.
Kyle, what you said about the ev/ice car guy dilemma hits home here. Throw H2 in the mix for me especially (2x mirai driver). evs are just better for daily stuff. I hate warming up the car just to move it out of the garage.
I have a Cayman Flat six, soon to be towed to and from Autocrosses with our Lightning. Of you get a chance to autocross one, do so as they are a hoot. We're a little bit away from the Cayman EV, as the Boxster will come first. We'll see how low they can keep the weight.
I am ... VERY MUCH looking forward to the EV Cayman. I'm afraid it will only have a ~150 mile range, which would destroy it's utility as a road tripper, but ... please give me something smaller and more fun to drive. (See also R3. Small is a feature!)
God Kyle I love you! Exactly what I think! I love both! There is nothing like a flat-six gnarling. Yet, we are in a new epoch, a time of change for all of us. Our love of the machine will move into the Digital Age; and there is nothing we can do about it.
I think the idea that EV owners are anti-ICE is a political myth rather than reality. I own a Model 3, but still appreciate well built and designed vehicles. Does not matter what powers it.
yeah i just love machines, cars, engineering. an EV powertrain is my favorite to daily drive but I also absolutely love a manual miata on a windy country road
I love EVs in the right application, but we need to stop demonizing ICE. I never want to see these cars go away. Not every application makes sense to go EV. I feel the same way in the truck space, if the EV works for you great, but leave those that want the ICE alone. As oil costs get driven up, buyers will make their own decisions, but we don't need to be banning anything or making authoritarian pushes through EPA policies.
Just curious as to the break in period noted. I have never heard of a 1200 mile break in period. Where can I check out more info on this? I own a Cayman GTS 4.0 and took delivery middle of Winter here in NY. I’m about to get out on the road so I’m curious as to the break in period as dealer didn’t mention any at all.
As if everyone has the means to buy an over priced EV that's practically worthless once it leaves the showroom, and an extreme sports car that's actually fun to drive. A lot of car dealers are not taking electric cars in part exchange because they cant sell them, even Porsche don't want Taycan's back because they've got an overstock of unsold inventory and are offering pitifully low valuations. Manufacturers are making EV's because they have to, not because they want to, the majority of people are not buying electric cars and that's going to be a problem for the car makers. The only way Porsche are going to sell significant numbers of an electric Cayman is if they stop making the combustion version, and even then they will just lose sales.
Ooh, drifting Azusa canyon. Been there. Done that! Great video on a wonderful car. As an EV enthusiast, I often drive my 25-year-old V8 Lexus coupe just for fun. I sometimes think about putting a six speed manual in that car. Then I remember how awful driving a manual transmission car in Los Angeles is. I'll keep the A340e five speed automatic in that car.
A lot of people are looking for a perfect car that they will own for eternity and always be happy with it. The real happiness lies in driving all the different cars that exist.
Great stuff! I doubt you are going to get a hardcore performance Porsche for anything under 180k. I got to drive my brother's BMW G80 M3 and my Model 3 Perf feels so boring and lifeless after that experience even in a straight line, the torque in these M BMWs is just at another level and they are easily doing 0-60s under 3 seconds better than advertised. I am thinking of getting a cheaper M2 with same detuned engine from M3 as my fun weekend car. With Porsche, I have to spend at least 50k more to get same performance and fun which I think is not worth it for me
That's kinda review in the future - 20 years from now "old" Kyle will go back to this Canyon road driving. Everybody is driving some electric / hydro self driving eggs and some nerds take out their 20 - 100 years old manual ICE cars - like Jay Leno with his steam machine. Yeah the legendary Jay Leno who left a massiv Car museum with a huge exciting car adventure park for the afterworld.
Manual transmissions are fun on curvy roads like that but it gets old around town and in traffic. An EV is more enjoyable as a daily driver. Yes I own both.
It looks more cramped than it really is because Kyle is use to reclining his seat. The proper way to sit in a mid engined sports car is to have the seat back upright. That will give you the proper racing control of the car.
priorities of driving fun, saftey, effiency , sustinability, , are very harmonious with each other, but laws like CAFE laws and media influencers are encouraging the market to go against what is good for everyone, and engineers at car companies are simply taking the beating and obeying this sad world order because fo their finance team. toyota real world fuel effeincy is better because bfsc chart , epa testing drives cars slowly so small engines are more effceint in that testing but in real world, over tubro bossting small engine is common in average driver behavior . i want gordon murray auto them to collborate on prius , or at leasta version of prius thats more of a handling car because preserving momentum arounds turns to a extent is less usage of materials , less emissions, than relying on decreasing battery life of regenrative braking system, and account for tire wear dust emission and brake dust (for soem brake types) too. for example, imagine prius with no trunk and had peopel sitting lower by shorter structure height, light cheap slippery areo kit protecting weight focused structure perportioning of glass etc a front wheel drive hybrid and a midrear engine rear wheel drive for better non powered momentum preservation , because battery recycling cannot fully happen and currently has been not happening much, hybrids use less materials than any other setup, that means less emissiosn too. also factor in that weight rmakes crash safety, road wear repair rates, materials usage , all emissions including tire emissions (emissions analytics website, endocrine disruptor microplastic, etc) , driving fun (light weight allows easier traction control and traction loss control and allows less powered steering which allows feeling how close to grip limit car is like mclaren/lotus elise/emira etc) . factor in corbrett report, vocational science of freedom, etc, realizations about th climate crisis issues, CAFE laws and europes equal being nonsense supporting "suv" and electric cars (almost the worst car type and the most popular among these "environmentalist") , ani nuclear nergy sentiment among these "enviromentalist", etc... situation for electic cars gets worse. we dont have a already mass scale solution , at best there maybe the "electric universe nikola tesla" theories , if you like. they could make a compact 4 seater that is liek coupe with practical rear seat (not as is usually done) ,, and they can have recycled forged carbon fiber and suspesnion that angles and heightens the car to have it lower crash absorbing stuff hit that of tall suvs . if it doesnt hit lower sitting cars well, at least it doesnt get hit in its weaker parts by the other cars stronger parts. driving fun is mostly about the challengeing game of often being near danger because everyone values not crashing, so its exciting. quickness (liek go forces) doesnt really matter. but a more commonly enjoyable driving fun is speeding more at optimal power and RPM level according to bfsc chart (similar deal also in electric power motors) on more rather downhill roads and even very temporarily beyond areodynamicly effceint speed before rather uphills roads, and steering braking minimally and smoothly... this is driving effciently, and you could be obsessed over the greater amount of pursuit of perfection that could be had compared to proper h pattern manual clutch experince, because you could get excited similarly as much about such goals as you would care about not crashing. maybe you can combine both by simulated version of such manual in effceint drivetrain that isnt too non dramatic, as a real h pattern clutch would, or maybe even better if your open minded to having high quality speakers at headrest give a sense of sound communicating how close to grip limit you are to acompany the rather non power steering sort of driving experience , or hearing the limited slip differential torque vectoring so you can feel precisely how its distributing torque and wheel rpm even when you dont have traction to feel it. ..............................all this stuff is good for everything that makes driving fun (except louder driving sounds and more danger by quicker paced driving at race track, where stuff like 0-60 mile per hour in 2 seconds isnt disappointingly boring for the costs because the fun doesnt last long enough) and everyone average crash saftey, and less usage of materials for longer lasting 1st world living standard (sustainability and chemicals toxicity) : light weight, showing the driver how close to grip imit he is at, relativly higher grip for making risky effceint driving safe , easy to own cheap reliable car, hybrids instead of electric car for weight and recyclability and materials usage economy sustainability, mid rear engine weight distribution, some non hybrids, limited slip differential (presumably a effceint one that probably disengages when not used, for less tire wear , stability when making speed on curving downhill roads for effiency) .
45 seconds was enough…. Rowing gears with a cup of coffee in your hand ? Really ?? I don’t care who you are, who you think you are, or who your daddy is….that’s BS !
The 718 GTS 4.0 is overrated IMO. Yes it has incredible handling and grip, but it is rather down on power, feels dead below 4000rpm. The gearing is too tall. It is not very refined, too loud inside, and not comfortable enough to drive around regularly. It is also kind of small and has the electric steering, the older Caymans were better. For modern Porsches, a base 992.1 911 is much much better all around and only slightly more expensive. The 911 does not handle quite as well as the 718 and has more weight out back, but in basically every other way it is much better and nicer.
18-way seats are awesome and probably the best I've ever sat in. The amount of adjustments is crazy and it would be very hard to not get comfortable imo...
Ugh, the amount of time you spent in second and third gears is depressing. I sold my manual 991.1 because of the galactically long gearing and Porsche still handicaps their cars with this nonsense. Ruins an otherwise sublime car!
