I'm on Fire - DigiTech Trio+ demo. 

not sure I understand the statement "kill spontaneous playing". It takes about 5-10 seconds to teach just about any song with just two foot pedal clicks. Also, if I'm out at a paid gig, there is nothing spontaneous about the songs I'm playing; I have a set list I am working through. If I get a request for a song that I haven't practiced with the Trio, then I simply don't use the Trio and play pure acoustic. Although, I have to say, I"d never seen the BK7m before, but it looks pretty cool. I'd have to dig into it. However, is this commercial for it straight out of the 80s? Love the accordian! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MMi7oIZN3Rk.html

LOL. Those would be the lyrics. You should watch the original video. More like a "hot stay at home MILF" than a "little girl" he's singing about. That's certainly the widely accepted interpretation, given the video's content.

For my foot switch I use a TC Helicon Switch-3. I like it better than the FS3X foot switch because it's wider. The FS3X has the buttons a bit too close together, and I would occasionally mash two at once. I have the foot switch in "Table Top" mode. So, yes, I have the Trio mounted on my mic stand using an adjustable tablet holder. Just some extra information for you here... if you look at the 30 second mark, you can see the full setup. Guitar in and Switch-3 in on the right side. Then on the left side you have two choices.... if you use a single 1/4" out, from either the "amp" or "mixer" jack, then you get guitar, bass and drums all out a single 1/4". Depending which you choose (amp or mixer), your guitar and drums will sound different, and it's totally a personal choice which you like best. If I had to choose only one, I prefer "amp". But, I actually run the drums out separately so I can control them via a mixer and especially if I want to record, so I can have them on a separate track. So, when you have a 1/4" in both "amp" and "mixer", it sends the guitar/bass out of "amp" and the drums out of the "mixer" jack. There are diagrams of all this on page 13 & 14 of the manual.

@@DaveGoodrumMusic thank you for fast and complete response

The bass is not great for most songs unless that song is very simple. But if you have a bridge or chorus with different chord changes then the bass wont match. Having said that, I like this better than the beat buddy for ease of use and flexibility. Having the trio in desktop mode gives me easy access to the dials between songs and then use the foot pedal to start/stop/loop. Plus I do use this for looping the guitar also. Perfect loop every time bc it forces a match of the percussion track. Plus I like the way it learns your rhythm. I dont have to tell it what the speed is. I play one round of chords and it knows the tempo. I use this live for gigs and I dont want to fumble around setting up the pedal between songs. Song ends, clear memory, choose the next style and start playing.

@@DaveGoodrumMusic Yes nice thing is the guitar loop is always in synch with the drums.

@@DaveGoodrumMusic- If the chords of a chorus, verse, or bridge change, then all you have to do it teach the different progressions and add them to the “Part 1”, Part 2”, etc. so they’re ready for sequencing (either automatic or pedal-controlled). That’s why the 5 “Part” buttons are up there.

@@jamesdeininger3759 100%. If you want to pre-record all your parts, that works great. I play about 60 songs in a 3 hour gig. I don't feel like swapping out SD cards every 12 songs. :) So, I don't really use that feature except on a few songs. I've pre-recorded 11 songs that I enjoy playing that have weird starts, and so teaching the Trio+ isn't an option for those songs necessarily. But, everything else I do on the fly.

Liked this thread. Realistically you don’t want to be ‘setting up the next song’. Just jump straight in which this pedal looks good for.

Sorry for that late reply. I use Bandhelper to organize all my songs and set lists.

I use Songbook which works great for me

I have never heard of the Mooer X2 Drummer til just now. Looks pretty cool, but it doesn't look like there is a loop function on it. That seems like a serious flaw if you want to build tracks with it on the fly. The way the bpm is determined with the Mooer is either by the speed knob, or tap tempo, before you start; you can't set it by strumming (it doesn't learn while you play). And that could be okay. If using the speed knob method, I'd have to make a notation of what tempo I wanted (and corresponding position of speed knob) for each song in advance if trying to play live in public... or use the tap tempo which could be tricky (I'd have to try it to know how well it works with big clicky buttons). So, if you want the drums to start before, or exactly, when you start playing, this is a good feature. For me, I'm fine with drums coming in after I strum a tempo on the Trio+... though for some of my songs starting before would be great, and I have pre-recorded for those songs. This is going to be a personal preference I guess. I see advantages/disadvantages to both methods. I like the fill feature on the Mooer, and I also like the way the Mooer ends better. The Trio+ just stops when you step on the stop button on the pedal (unless you have pre-recorded all the parts). It's sometimes awkward, so I play the last chord a little louder to cover up any weirdness in the way the drums cut out. And if you do want to use the bass (which I do for really simple songs, or if I'm prerecording, or just having fun in the basement), you don't have that option with the Mooer. It's not a show stopper, but it's a "nice to have" on occasion. Without actually trying it out, my conclusion is that the lack of a looper kills the Mooer for me. The speed setting could easily be worked with, and potentially advantageous, and the fills and endings are much better with the Mooer. And even though I only use the looper on a handful of songs, I do love my occasional guitar solos! I recently performed a gig with NO vocals, and it was purely building loops with percussion for two hours. So much fun!

I think I’d only use the drum part. How good is the learning? Like you, I’d be live gigging for a few hours. Also, do you manage to always find a style that works?

@@ryancorbett I use the Trio+ for about 60% of my songs, and "usually" have no issues with the learning. Occasionally the Trio gets wonky and I get some crazy rhythm, and I attribute to it human error or alcohol. :) When that happens, I stop the Trio real quick (foot pedal), and just play the song without it. Or, sometimes I'll make a joke that my drum machine must be on Meth, and then give it another try. :) For the songs I use the Trio on, I practice that song in the basement about a dozen times to make sure I can get the same rhythm every single time. If I don't get consistent results, I either add it to the pre-record list, or I just don't use the Trio for that song. I almost always find a style that works though. When I first practice a song with the Trio, I loop the guitar chords with the drums and then switch through a bunch of genre's and styles while it's playing, so I can hear the rhythm with the guitar to figure out what works. It's quite a bit of experimentation, but usually 10-15 minutes I've picked out the right mix and then I write it down on the ipad. Sometimes I'll write down two different ones even. One for a chill environment like a laid back indoor winery setting, and then a more raucous drum mix for my local biker bar I sometimes play at (or similar establishment). Also, sometimes you'll find that volume level for certain genre's is just too loud. "Rock" genre is always louder than the "jazz" genre. I always turn the volume up a bit for jazz, and down for Rock. I've never used the Heavy Metal Genre.

For practice, I leave it blank, and if it works that way, great. But, if it's too fast, do it again with it set "red" for for slow, or if it's too slow, do it again with it set "green" for fast, and see if that works for you. There's really only two speeds, not three. When you leave it blank, it tries to pick the right one., but if it's not doing a good job of it, you may need to force it by selecting the correct alt time before you teach it.

Yes, I compared the SDRUM to the Trio+ when I was first looking at these. I was close to pulling the trigger on the SDRUM. I'd love to try one out some day and compare the two!

@@tombird2483 thank you! Will give it a try……

Yes, I love it. It's a perfect loop every single time. However, you do have to make sure you teach it enough for your loop. You teach to start the percussion, then the loop as the same length as what you "taught". So, if you need to loop the verse, and the verse is 16 count of E A B7 (as an example), then you need to "teach" that 16 count E A B7 verse to train the percussion. Then when you are ready to loop at some point in the song, you just hit the Loop button with your foot pedal, and the loop will automatically start at the beginning of the verse (when the percussion comes back around) and it will also automatically stop at the end of the verse (when the percussion comes back around again). It's a perfect loop every time using this method because you don't have to hit the loop button perfectly. Just click it at any point before the verse starts. For example, I could be playing the A in my E A B7 verse, and I can click the Loop button while still on the A at count 6 of 16, but it won't start recording your loop until you come around the next time to the E. I never worry about starting the loop perfectly and never worry about stopping it perfectly. In this video, I only "teach" the percussion the E C#m 16 count. So, that is as much as I would be able to loop. If I wanted to loop the additional chords in this song, I would not be able to do it, because I only taught a 16 count. The actual verse is E A C#m A B E. So, if I wanted to loop that verse, I would not teach that entire verse at the beginning. But because I don't solo in this song, I don't bother teaching the whole verse, and just a 16 count is enough to get a good beat going.

@@DaveGoodrumMusic That's cool, very well explained ,it sounds complicated but like everything is probably intuitive after practice. I have a lot of experience with a twin pedal looper so I think I should just need to adjust the learning curve. It would save me having to loop a bass line with an octave pedal and set drum tempo or add rhythms.Would thin down the gear needed and concentrate on the music.Thanks for taking the time for this in depth reply,much appreciated. I have subscribed to your channel. Cheers