plumber here...everyone i'm around does the quiet quitting thing! its almost expected in the trades....i used to be a delivery boy at a pizza restaurant before becoming a plumber...when i switched some the guys told me i go too hard and fast...my whole attitude has changed. now i work for myself and work like 3 days a week for 5 hours a day. its great! i love it! skip the office go into trades!
also finding a job is super easy...usually only takes a post on craigslist saying i'm a journeyman plumber and i get a bunch of responses back that day! no posting resumes to indeed or applying to jobs just a CL post and the employers call me!
quiet quitting is such a weaselly way of framing the topic as if it's about worker laziness or carelessness. People aren't quitting, they're not even being unproductive. They're doing their job, as described on the job description. If they're getting paid for 40 hours of work, then their boss shouldn't expect anymore than that. If their boss wants them to take on more responsibility or a bigger role, than they should be explicit about that and compensate them accordingly.
It's just workers adopting the "no quarters given" mindset of the authority figures that pay them. Bosses only do the bare minimum of legal requirement, so the workers do too, no more human courtesy. Ironically bosses calling this quiet quitting is admitting to how little they themselves care about their employees, as that attitude comes directly from them It's like when parent's criticize their kids for behaviour their kids picked up from them, not realizing who they're really criticizing
This is exactly the attitude that some unions have taken (I can't remember all of them, but I think airline mechanics did this), where instead of striking, they simply "worked to contract", meaning they did exactly what was in their contracts, exactly by the books, to highlight what their employers really wanted them to be doing. And in a lot of cases, it worked, the employers had to change their contracts but because the workers were unionized, in order to do that, they had to offer something of worth to the employees.
But it's important to recognise that in many cases you'll only be considered for increased responsiblity if you exceed expecations. You don't need to exceed excessively, but some form of going above and beyond can work to move yourself into a better position that you wouldn't otherwise get.
My boss got so mad when she asked me to do something five minutes before the end of my shift. I told her I could get to it in the morning as it wasn't urgent. When she said "this affects management considerations of you in the future" I was like "that's so funny you said that because I was thinking this affects my view on management as well". She hasn't asked me to do anything since and I've never been happier. She tried to write me up thinking the terms of that write up would frustrate me into quitting but not only did I surpass it but it motivated me to return to school to get a degree in business to become the type of boss I haven't seen as an employee.
@PepeCoinMania You're right, I don't. However, the credentials that that degree provides me will make me eligible for better pay, higher tax brackets, different conversations at the money table and so forth. So although I don't "need" it, it will help streamline some of my goals for the future. 👍👍
I quietly quit I quit after putting in 34 years at same company I quietly applied for social security retirement On my last day I didn't tell a soul and quietly walked away Now I quietly sit around and wait on my social security to post on my bank account Life is good 😊
You know what good for you! My aunt worked at a company for 34 years and they didn’t acknowledge her on her last day and she worked her tail end off for them it really hurt her feelings and I want to say congratulations on your retirement and I hope you enjoy every day of it !
@@ViolentOrchid the upper levels of the economy are an endless ponzi scheme. Money changes hands so many times no one knows whats real and wahts artificial value anymore. Multi-layered insurance basically poses lack of expected progress as a cost, because we assume infinite growth, because we're short sighted
@@ViolentOrchid It is lost potential; but the key should be what factors these projections were based upon, and if they are valid to be used the way it is.
You shouldn't ignore the fact that wages are stagnating whereas inflation is insane - people don't feel like they're getting paid enough at all and its another reason to act ones wage
Yes! I didn’t want to get into current events, wage stagnation, or income inequality, but all of those are reasons people are renegotiating relationships with work as well.
It should really just be called doing the job you signed up for, nothing more. We're all sick to death of being expected to work overtime and being on call 24/7, much of the time with no compensation or meaningful recognition for our efforts.
Quite quitting isn't the workers' fault. It's management's fault. Period. Full stop. However, don't tell your manager that. They'll just fire you and the issue will never be fixed. Just keep quiet quitting at a level were they can't fire you, but the manager will have to answer some very pointed questions about why they're aren't meeting productivity goals. I feel this will have far better results than traditional striking could ever have. Never forget, the board needs you to make those dividends for their no-work investors far more than you need the board. If they won't meet your needs, be sure not to meet theirs. Thanks for the excellent video, as always, Trace!
I'd say this is pretty much an american phenomenon. Here in France we work 35 hours a week, we sometimes do longer weeks though, but what we call overtime here is working 40 or 42 hours a week total instead of 35. The company must compensate supplementary hours with a heavy surcharge and also those hours must have been agreed previously. Demanding mandatory overtime or not adequately compensating supplementary hours here is a pretty serious crime. I can't believe how could americans stand working 60 hour workweeks, sometimes even with unpaid overtime. That's just outrageous.
Turns out people will work for free to get ahead and beat out other people for a job. It’s illegal for For-Profit companies to allow working for no wages, but since enforcement is minimal and individuals benefit from this people do it. Over time this causes a creeping effect where the *expectation* is people are expected to be available at night, or on holidays, even on their vacations (which is also illegal). Long story short, it comes back to the poison of individualism over collective good, yet again.
I have always taken pride in my work but I have never allowed a company to guilt me into doing more than I need to. I never let my boss call me in to work on my day off or convince me to work overtime. I have never lived my life for my job because I know that the company does not care one whit about my existence. This was decades ago and I remember the occasional comment from some co-worker about how I wasn't a team player etc. However, In almost every job I've had I ended up being promoted to the quality control team. This often stopped them dead in their tracks.
I'm in my current role now 4.5 years, not once has my boss told me to do anything. Respect goes a long way and should be mutual. We do our work and go home. When Monday roles around it's still work but it's more getting outta bed early than anything else 😛
Such a great video! I couldn't quite pinpoint why I hated all of the discourse around quiet quitting, but you've said it here perfectly. It's not about being lazy, it's about work/life balance! Thanks capitalism for framing the argument around "bad" employees rather than a system that forces us to prioritize productivity over happiness. That rubric is badass btw. 👏👏👏
I love this movement . I felt bad for “quiet quitting” due to my job. I am a pediatric nurse and I work in the home and in a school. I get lots of perks but I am still earning 75% less than my peers and I have to buy my own malpractice insurance , dental insurance,and health insurance. I’ve missed out on my sons school activities. I have to take vacations when my clients do. I can go on and on about how it’s an unfair deal but I’m ashamed. I now do mostly the bare minimum and I’m confrontational to force them to fire me so I can go to a better job.
Hey Trace! I'm sure you're just future proofing your content, but starting a video about quiet quitting that was published at 6am on a SATURDAY about how I'm probably watching this at work gave me all the LOLz. I've heard comedy is all about timing.
6am pacific is 9am eastern, 2pm UK time, and 6:30pm in Mumbai and 11pm in Australia - people can be working at any and all of those times ! Though you’re correct that the white collar workers in the US would not be 🫣
i devoted my life to my job/company for 33 years, 16 hours a day. above and beyond. to what end? ill health, and downsizwd at an age where getting another job was nearly impossible. do not give yourself to a job. my advice: give minimal effort, work minimal hours.
I'm not quiet quitting, I'm actually quitting, but a lot of what you listed under dissatisfaction is why. Management, lack of engagement, not being listened to (along with a toxic workplace, and several other issues). I wanted to step up, outside of my comfort zone, and prove I could do what was required, but it turns out nothing I did was 'good enough' and all I got was complaints, arguments, and being pushed around. Anyway, I'm resigning and out in a few weeks, and now will be looking for a job that has a bit more creativity, and agency, and hopefully a decent pay along with it. If anyone is offering, I'm a pretty decent Photoshop artist, writer, and also have video editing and VFX skills (though they have laid fallow for a while).
Management, at least in the Netherlands, was invented like 40-50 years ago. My dad worked high up in a hospital and management was something he and the boss did "as an aside thing". Suddenly managers came into play and things started changing and not for the better, being a manager makes you need to do you thing and make it count, just to justify having that manager job. This means, every single time a manager comes along, things are changed. I think this is why (and just bad managers in general) why the Netherlands is grinding to a halt slowly, because noone wants to take blame for anything and everything is shoved aside, it's a very clear difference from society 30 years ago. In software engineering everyone is now doing "Agile", which makes sense if you read about it, but in practice it's managed to death, contrary to its idea and turned into "making you work harder". All of this turns into unhappy people, it's very simple and I'm annoyed noone ever seems to see that. Companies always expect you to have a heart for the business, but no... not doing that anymore, because when things turn south, I don't get that heart back either. :)
These videos are so good. I have all notifications selected but they still don't show up in my reed. Gotta remember to come back here often. Thank you Trace!!
@@TraceDominguez Heh, It's more a labor movement, strike strategy. Not sure what country it was first used in. Notably based on the default assumption by capitalists that doing more than is legal or safe is key really to their profit margins mind you. So when it was first proposed it was a way of putting the pinch on the company, but really it always should have been the baseline.
@@TraceDominguez A little digging online, It looks like it came out of Spain's communist labor movement in the 1910s? It was used by unions in Canada in the past along with similar strategies, how I know about it.
Excellent analysis. People have always paced how they work. Employers must accept that this is part of being human. No one can consistently work at top speed indefinitely. Elon Musk may be deluded enough to think that he is extremely productive 100% of the time. But then Elon Musk effectively seems to simply take credit for the work that others actually do. Telling your employees to work harder and longer is not working or effective. If employers rewarded the employees who did more work or went the extra mile, those habits would continue. To expect your workers to work harder and better and harder and better and harder and better without any reward is exploitation. No one should continue to allow themselves to be exploited.
BTW; As an elevator mechanic for most of my life I can tell you the Door Close button is connected. When they do work for the public they have to be held not pushed. Now it is primarily for fireman. The automatic features of the door can be unreliable with a lot of smoke in the building.
I have been doing only my job description for decades now. I didn't realize they gave it a fancy name recently. Honestly, the carrot they give of more money or promotion never gets given to people who give more. Those things are given to employees that make the supervisor feel good and important. Since I am not a people person, I figured there was no point in doing more if I wasn't going to also sweet talk those in charge. Honestly, I feel this gave me less stress and more peace of mind then others who were willing to do more without getting paid more.
She’s successful, influential, wealthy, has started several internationally recognized companies - the difference between her perceived success and that of other billionaires is mainly that white boys don’t respect her work (thanks patriarchy!)
Excellent video! As a sociologist in making, the critical perspective on work you present is really great. And it's so nice to see you having your own channel after all the time at Dnews and really having found your place, it seems. Keep up the great videos! :D
Feels like a term defined by toxic corporate culture and using it perpetuates that culture. I think it’s fine to say “that what some people are calling quiet quitting”, but to say that “it is quiet quitting” is a stance I wouldn’t take.
Man! You do an awesome job. You should do one about _Agile / Scrum_ on the software development industry. It's a total soul-crusher / go-above-and-beyond managerial mess.
Great content! Came over from watching this video on nebula to leave a comment. Maybe it's just the way my brain is wired, but the parts that the camera is gradually zooming in or out on you are distracting enough for me to lose attention and have to rewind haha. Maybe Yoda lurking in? Interest in the items coming in and out of frame? Who knows. Your rubric is a nice way to visualize the idea of quiet quitting, I've gotta try it with my own priorities!
At 68, only a month away from 69, I am retired. I retired from my full time job at 51. I did do some part-time work that was completely different from what I had done for another 8 years. And, even though I was no longer paid, I continued to so some of the same thing for the same person because she was more than a health care client, she was also a friend, and had been for over half my life. (I took a year to help my mother before she moved into a full-time health care facility.) Anyway, I never worked in a job that I had to work overtime or take stuff home. However, I did type (data-entry) for a living and I'd go home and often type stories or do crafts with my hands. Is it any surprise that I did end up with having to have carpel tunnel surgery? I had stopped doing the part-time home health job, but my hands had been bad for almost a year, just getting worse and worse. Now I'm trying to limit some of the crafting, in part because I no longer find it as satisfying as watching people like you on RU-vid. In fact, about half of what I watch are science channels, over half of the others I've just gotten into the people even as they do other things while they do things in their lives that I wish I had available to do when I was younger. And a couple are doing channels who are more like myself, often sick with a chronic condition - which was why I had to stop working at 51.
Bad management is a good reason for disliking your work, but the boss’s boss’s boss being not great? That’s not a study I have read. We really avoid using words like “always,” “never,” “everybody,” or “nobody,” because they’re consistently incorrect. Astronauts are government employees and they work, military and coast guard and park rangers, and air traffic control, all government employees and all they all work. If they’re “quiet quitting” good. If I’m their employer (as the taxpayer) I want them working productively AND with good work-life balance. No one should be required to work over the job description they were hired to do (unless they want to)
there doesn't have to be a chain of command as you have suggested, although studies have shown middle management to be the most stressed. therefore, when they quiet quit, they are essentially neglecting their duties to ensure a safe and hostility-free workplace which causes the subordinate employees to face more challenges which exhausts them faster, possibly unbeknownst to them the reason is upper management negligence.
I initially thought "quit being quiet" was the topic of the video which makes more sense to me because enjoying a job is a very subjective thing that mainly has opinions and you shared yours which is great but quitting being quiet is even better since communication is very important and I feel like most people keep quiet about injustice or don't even realize injustice because other people are quiet, for example at a workplace with different sallaries etc
Quiet quitting is a co-opted term nobody really understands. Quiet quitting is actually when workers stay employed getting a paycheck but no longer do the work or do the bare minimum. I have quiet quit, i do as little as possible, just enough to make it look like i am doing something. Such as commenting on youtube videos when i should be working. When you are a skilled worker and making half what you should be, phuck it. My last company i quiet quit. The last month there i did probably 8 hours of work in an entire month. I had my pink slip, they had to pay me, why work? I surfed the web and watched videos all damn day. That is quiet quitting
If only my work was one i could quiet quit at. We are expected to taking calls for the whole 8 hours(minus lunch) and get written up if our not ready time is over 3%
If you’re in the US you’re also entitled to two 15 minute breaks on an 8 hour shift. Look up the Department of Labor and make sure - your employer might be behaving illegally
My wage is more like grown up pocket money and I couldn't keep a roof over my head or pay bills with it so it seems quite natural to not care at all about my job or the company I work for or put in anything other than minimum effort.
High quality production, insightful information, underrated channel for sure. Hopefully tools like the Tesla bot, Optimus, can help improve the productivity curve and contribute to a win-win future for most while increasing land, labour, and capital efficiency.
Calling it "quiet quitting" is toxic in my opinion, because it assumes that if you fulfill your part of your work contract you're lacking when it should be just considered "business as usual". If an employer wants more output they should promote, pay for overtime or hire more people.
No argument from me about the latter, calling it toxic? I dunno. I didn’t invent the term, but it exists now, so we’ll have to figure out what to do about it
@@TraceDominguez Oh no, I am not saying you're to blame, the term is there, but it insinuates you're not doing "your part". If I am hired ot bake 100 cookies for 10 dollars, that's what I am going to do and my employer should not expect more. I know it's a cultural thing over there but it also means employees are assuming it's normal to be exploited and to not get paid for all the work you do.
@@TraceDominguez I assume people accept being employees in the sense they give up most of the actual value of what they do (as profit to the employer) because they can "take it easy", work a set number of hours at a "healthy pace", punch in, punch out, done for the day. If you're actually good at something and if you're putting the amount of effort that seems to be expected in America it makes more sense to be self employed for sure. Isn't the point of getting a job to be able to "hang by the water cooler" most of the day or browse the internet while people think you're working, while putting only enough effort to meet the same productivity of your peers and to be there from 9 to 5? 😬 Sorry if I sound a bit dry.
I must admit it feels weird to hear someone say doing exactly what they signed for to be seen as quitting. It's signing the deal fair and square, no? I don't remember the boss went the extra mile and pay me more...
That’s hard :(((( is it possible to switch? Are the skill sets transferable? Is there something in the ecological industry that would make you more happy? No time like the now!
Its the only way ro fight against inflation, eroding benefits, offshoring and random redundancies. As long as the companies are posting record profits without paying workers more, we have to right back.
Not me watching this knowing that I'll be turning my two weeks in next week because I just don't like the management style at my currrent job. My boss isn't even someone i dislike, i just do not get on well w her habit of micro managing.
I have a science and math backgound and am in tech but companies push to move up into management... but I would not be able to do the level of tech if I have to manage other people! and I don't particularly like being around people, I like to work and produce and figure things out.
Only doing the work you are paid for shouldn't be unusual in a capitalist system, it should be the norm. Remember the 13th Rule of Acquisition: Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
There are those who have a moral imperative to avoid the cloud-crowned ranks of management. Work until you shine but stay out of the King of the Hill game that goes on at the next level. Those guys play dirty.
Truth. My supervisor is always trying to get me to go into management. The last time he tried, I looked him dead in the eyes and said "Why? So I can get thrown under the bus the way they throw you under the bus?" No, thanks.
I am definitely saying no to extra shifts, but there's a huge price to pay with quiet quitting later on if you need to apply to a new job without a reference.
Im in a trade went above and beyond my job description performed above average on ny performance review got a 2 dollar raise in a year and a half wich was still below market value for my skills,schooling, experience and location. They expected me too learn 2-3 other trades im already doing 2 trades for am extra 2-4 dollars. I know people making more money doing less. The audacity of companies calling people lazy for wanting a livable wage even though there profit margins are in the millions a year
My current employer has been really good during Covid, they had prepared for work from home and initiated it before any government mandates were announced so the transition was much smoother since it was properly planned. They gave us extra money in our paycheques to help cover additional expenses. They gave us additional paid days off every month or two where so help reduce the stress of being locked down. We still got perks, every few months they'd send out goodie bags with all sort of swag, social lunch events with work providing credit for delivery apps, and end of year parties including one where they sent everyone a set of cocktail making equipment and some alcohol and ingredients and they had someone show us all how to make some cocktails. They are also very understanding of issues with working from home, often parents need to duck out to deal with kids, or other interruptions and we've always had pretty flexible work hours, and I've heard our managers telling people to stop working or to take the day off because they aren't feeling 100%, they have something they need to do, or if they have been working hard. And it has been years since I last heard a manager asking anyone to stay back late to meet a deadline or something, they are usually pretty good about catching anything that might cause a deadline to be missed before it becomes a big problem and planning around it so that no one has to put in additional hours. Once or twice I worked an extra hour or two voluntarily to make sure things went more smoothly for the rest of the team (and I think others may have done that too) and when my manager caught me doing that they told me to stop and to just sort it out the next day/week but I explained that I was happy to do it and I'd make sure to stop work early the next day or two so it averaged out which they were then ok with. The thing is that as great as all that is, the big surprise is that it had very little impact on our overall productivity, we still produced great stuff and hit deadlines, it might not have always been as great as it could have been prior, but it was always at least very close. Quiet quitting was even discussed on the company slack channels and it was pretty clear most people felt that quit quitting was really what you SHOULD be doing. It has been a great company to work for and I couldn't be happier working there.
1:29 It's not confusing at all if you think about it, you eat mammal ribs don't you and your pet is most likely also a mammal, hell you are a mammal! Also technically we eat "dino ribs" and some of us have dino pets(birds).
Some More News RU-vid channel help me realise what you are saying here, by pointing out that "work culture" is usually pushed by people, who have employees and want them to work harder and not complain, not question anything. We are not lazy, we deserve respect.
This sounds like the mantra that some of the long term staff at my old job had to adopt to keep ourselves sane. It was either "Somebody else's problem," or "let it be the manager's problem."
Jobs have and should always be a means to an end, not the identity of your life. You're supposed to be selling your time for money, which is transactional so that you can use these funds to focus on developing your OWN practice. Over the years, employers have lobbied and fought tooth and nail to remove any form of leverage the worker, which include taking all the employee's time so that they cannot focus on their own endeavors. As much as it pains me to say, the working class ended up getting the short end of the stick because we became complacent. Right now, unions are starting to come back. Hopefully we will be able to reach an equal deal between businesses and the employees. Of course, there was a time where unions started taking too much by weaponizing strikes to take more than they needed. It was a time where unions were just as bad as the employers are now. As humanity continues to exist, we'll continue to see power seesaw between employers and unions. I would also say that reaching that perfect balance is merely a dream, but at least for now unions are needed to remove all the cards that favor businesses.
I don't mind people not going above and beyond. 9 out of 10 people won't get promoted. I do mind people doing 80% if their job allows them to do. 99%+. Did your car mechanic only do 80%? Don't complain. Did your chef only do it 80%? Don't complain. Did you doctor only do 80%? Don't complain. If your job allows you to do 100%, then do it.
My boss last month. "We need people to work overtime on some extra tasks, this is time dependent so we need it done as fast as possible" My collegue "Ok sweet, whats the rate of overtime pay" Boss "Oh its normal base pay, there is no pay bump" Everyone in the meeting "Yeah we are busy, sorry" The one guy who took the overtime work got a £20 giftcard to amazon, for like 50 hrs extra work 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Poor sod!!!!
Is this why you took a month to upload? Haven't seen hide nor hair of you... not a _Trace._ hahahablaa I'm not watching this at work (retired). I don't recommend "quiet quitting" but it's all I've seen from just about everyone for 40 years in the workforce.
meh. no raises in over 5 years with half our job not even in our job contract. If we were paid for the work we do we might strive to maximize. Underpaying vocal active workers inspires resentment for managers to have high expectations.
I kinda feel bad for all these commenters who seem to struggle with the hegemonic capitalist mythos versus how things really are for lots of people. I know from personal experience that it's hard to question deeply ingrained beliefs, but I also know that I'm better for not being obsessed with work.
Trace.... The Flintstones??? I never thought about it but you've officially ruined it (not the cigarette ads). 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭. Yabba Dabba Do! P.s. I'm a surgeon, 80% is the only way a fly. Sorry for the sponge and tools I left in ya.
Serious question. The video mentioned several times about everybody who quit and the data from the last video with the 48%. But where is the polling data or other statistics that show that those employees who quit and got work elsewhere are actually happier now? You have the hypothesis but you haven't shown the proof of the theory. 48% went to greener pastures but was it just the same crap that they walked away from?
I’m quite sure that data is available - if the entire workforce shrank in 2021 then we’d know those people left the workforce (which would have been an actual crisis) but instead they (likely, mostly) found different employment that fulfilled them in some way!
