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@Sup90210 Год назад

For anyone who is interested; when Tiffen created Pro Mist filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal lengths because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on an 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist filters is 1/2 for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 for 25-35mm and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this information is useful.

@legacyautofocus Год назад

I got a cpl from tiffen and it was trash. I gave off some weird glare.. Now I'm bias with tiffen products. I use k&f concept, never been let down.

@jonnynoakes9070 Год назад

Super useful!! 🎉🎉🎉❤

@i.shuuya3231 Год назад

Thank you!!! I remember knowing this info years ago and now, when I needed it, I forgot so you saved me 😆

@superultragiggachigga Год назад

Thanks so much for this! As a beginner I didn’t know any of this.

@SinisaTrifunovicWeddings Год назад

Helps a lot! Thank you so much!

@IAMLXGEND 2 года назад

I still use my Pro Mist on everything, lol. I want my overall style to look dreamy. There are some times where I need the absolute most sharpness so I’ll take it off but that’s few and far between. I love that thing.

@AfoteyAnnum 2 года назад

Same

@Joshua.Wheeler Год назад

have you tried out the tiffen glimmerglass filters? i’m abt to get one and heard it gives a more subtle softness and a little more contrast

@ElayneOkaya Год назад

Which one specifically do you use please?

@francisenaje Год назад

What is your pro mist? 1/4?

@IAMLXGEND Год назад

@@francisenaje 1/2

@herfinnur-filmmaking4326 2 года назад

I’ve started playing around with Texture Pop in Davinci Resolve Studio, and I find that I can get that analog softness by increasing fine details while decreasing the coarser detail sliders

@bluefilmsltd Год назад

The real thing is always better

@AlecKinnear 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for this tip. I was wondering about the best way to soften iPhone and very sharp mirrorless footage. I've played around with radial blur and motion blur with some success but this sounds better. I do something similar with photos in DxO PhotoLab: increase fine contrast to 20 while lowering microcontrast about 10 or 15.

@VFXRefugee 3 дня назад

Been doing a mist/haze bg effect as a practical effect recently but without putting anything in the air, and that extra work helps me really think about it. I like the intentionality in your approach here.

@1234filmsgr Год назад

In ancient Greece there was a proverb: "μηδέν άγαν" which translates in "do) nothing in excess · avoid extremes". We all have been in some similar situation in our lives, thanks for sharing.

@ShevonSalmon 2 года назад

That ad was smooth asf

@thebunn 2 года назад

Smoothest ad transition EVER! Excellent video and topic as usual. Forever thankful for your sharing of your wisdom. Longtime viewer, rarely comment. Stoked for the next one!

@MateenManek 2 года назад

I relate to this so much! I bought a Pro Mist a year or so ago and used it as a leave-on filter, and really didn’t like how some of my shots came out. So I stopped using it. It gives you a look, and you have to decide whether that look is what you’re going for with your film. I ended up selling the BPM and picking up a Glimmer Glass filter, as I like that it blooms highlights without being too hazy, and gives a nice skin polish. But also, that tip on warmer light on brown skin tones is clutch!!!! I always wondered why my lighting didn’t always look amazing - definitely gotta try this now!

@captaincarl1603 Год назад

That's what you young people get for ditching the old hot-lights. Nothing beats a well diffused 3200K tungsten for face close-ups. Get your gloves on 😅

@hitthestreetsphoto1253 6 месяцев назад

@@captaincarl1603 Exactly. They like going from gimmick to gimmick trying to emulate someone else’s work and can’t quite slow down enough to learn about light.

@JonathanPalfrey 2 года назад

So glad you made this video. I think a lot of new filmmakers don’t realise the importance to shoot a clean, sharp image especially for a client. After all it’s the whole reason we shoot log or Raw so we have flexibility in post. Using these filters is fine for personal projects or were your client/director has a clear understanding of the style and feel they are going for, however that’s unfortunately rarely the case.

@charliemcgrain Год назад

Great point and totally agreed. You can add all of this stuff in post and have way more control over the degree of any filtering.

@Malick333 2 года назад

You kinda forgot to mention that a lot of the “look” depends yeah on the camera/sensor BUT ALSO the lenses you’re using. Some lenses are crazy sharp, some aren’t. So the same diffusion on the same camera but on different lenses will look different. Big difference of course between a Canon FD and an RF.

@dathofilms 2 года назад

Exactly my thoughts, RED sensor with some crazy sharp clinical sigma art lenses would definately benefit from Promist, but not Arri with some vintage glass on it There is time and place for everything.

@photo2000 3 месяца назад

excellent video! baking in something to media has a host of disadvantages. Thanks for highlighting this.

@NeoPlatina2009 19 дней назад

Thanks man. I needed to hear this from somebody else too. I was using until now black mist filters for everything. From now on, not so much.

@GuyThomsonVideography 2 года назад

I think the 1/8 is pretty subtle I've not had a shoot yet where it's been too extreme or ruined any shots. The benefits outweigh the cons for the work I do. The 1/4 is definitely more obvious, stylistic and should be used deliberately.

@OfentseMwaseFilms 2 года назад

Agreed.

@the180degreerule3 2 года назад

Glimmerglass is the one, try it

@GuyThomsonVideography 2 года назад

@@the180degreerule3 Cheers I'll check it out 👍

@the180degreerule3 2 года назад

@@GuyThomsonVideography enjoy!

@truchotpierre8070 2 года назад

Well said

@RandomMotoThings 2 года назад

Honestly you probably needed it for previous cameras as your current camera has a naturally slight softer image. C200 also has a softer image. Cameras like gh5, Panasonic S series, canon r5 and 6 are more digital/sharper. I don’t necessarily think you were doing anything wrong outside of using them on your more recent camera (c70 and c200?)

@akshayanthayaparan6805 2 года назад

welp, lost the editing challenge. congrats to the editor who won!

@robertcollins3061 2 года назад

This is the winning editor I’m assuming 🙏🏽 nice it different is A good extension of your editing smile

@magicari 2 года назад

love you bro but the random plant is distracting.

@jaredfilms 2 года назад

man’s always with the smoothest ad transitions

@MarioSoMedia 2 года назад

Agreed! I have definitely regretted using my mist filter on some videos I shouldn't have used it with.

@VlogCity 5 месяцев назад

100% retention achieved with that outdo 😂

@zimmhone 2 года назад

Hey man, I watched Cooper Films in the beginning with his pocket cinema camera. Waay before he went t red and delisted his early stuff. I remember thinking - yeah, maybe I should invest in good lights first. He bought drecast lights before he upgraded to red. Very particular as you said. I wish I had that clarity of vision he had. But I think directors just wither have that or they don't. I just care more about entrepreneurship and producing than I like actually looking through a lens or adjusting lights. But I took some of that clarity to my business development - steady, slow, build upon each success...

@Des_Armoni 2 года назад

Maaaaan I remember cooperfilms!

@obiwanmartyn Год назад

the 1/8 is subtle enough but if you want to dial it back even more while retaining some contrast in the image too the tiffen glimmerglass gives nice halation with a bit of blooming - not as intense as the pro mist

@calahad 2 года назад

Every creator 2 years ago: OMFG, get a pro mist filter, super analog feel! Moment's cinebloom is even better! Every creator these days: Lol the hype is over. Diffusion filters are trash.

@ShotByCurt 2 года назад

Pro mist is definitely fire! And the tungsten/warmer I picked up on that just recently

@_MJ07_ 2 года назад

Its like everything, these things are just tools. Sometimes we get a new tool and we think its cool, so we use it for everything. This is what happened when gimbals came out, I'd go out and see people standing still holding their camera on a gimbal instead of just using a tripod.. Not every tool is for every purpose. You don't use a screwdriver as a hammer. Know when and why you're using what you are using.

@Kevinmadefilms 2 года назад

Breaks my heart when I see wedding videographers use a gimbal all day, no tripod in sight. Tripods are an absolute necessity for a ceremony, especially if you want multiple angles without hiring assistants

@NathanKatash 2 года назад

@@Kevinmadefilms gimble is a very usefull tool in 2022 and if you know how to really get the best out of it in wedding then for sure most of the time you will use it

@RyanREAX 2 года назад

@@Kevinmadefilms youre supposed to use multiple cameras. 1 on tripod and 1 on gimbal

@ajphelps16 2 года назад

@@RyanREAX use whatever works

@400hdfilms4 2 года назад

@@ajphelps16 I smoke weed when i shoot my music videos I feel like i am the tripod and the gimbal lol

@ntchi 2 года назад

Interesting topic. Hard to "ruin" a shot with an 1/8 BPM 1/4 is more obvious. Plugins are cool but not similar to real light photon going through a glass filter. Just like an analog compressor sound better than those dsp plug-in. Close but not the same. 80% I'd say. Most of these glow filters are based on luminance level and thresholds on a flat 2D image. A real filters has photons hitting the glass from all angles creating subtle organic bloom before getting baked-in. It's a look.

@IrelioGuiamba 2 года назад

Shout out to Shayne ! Great edit .

@PeaLoop Год назад

There's definitely a time and a place for diffusion.

@shaunmaddox Год назад

Sounds like someone has graduated to the next level. You are a very talented young brother. Trust your gut!

@roy65467 Год назад

probably the smoothest ad transition ive ever seen on youtube. good job bro

@Scriptshepherd 2 года назад

Haha I just ordered mine a few days ago after a year of putting it off. Great timing

@hugocalvovisuals Год назад

Thank you for drilling that into our heads. Intentionality is key.

@scottievee7467 2 года назад

Wow. I literally went thru this yesterday. My bad. I should have tested more. It was the 4th time covering a car giveaway. I normally shoot all RF but I tried a Sigma 24-70 2.8 with a 1/4 Pro mist. When I got home and started editing I was shocked. Soft... slow to focus. Thank God I shot enough in focus B-roll to cut into the really obvious flubs. Pro Mist out and the Sigma will only be used on set shots with minimal movement. This is shop on. Never start dull. Start sharp and work backwards if that's the look you want.

@quickpickle 2 года назад

I agree 100%.. and with the high quality of effects out there, you can easily add bloomand softness and it looks great.

@OtayMedia 2 года назад

Been starting to take off my diffusion filter more too. I regained an appreciation for the images my camera produces and I’ve been liking the extra flexibility I have in post by being able fully shape my images instead having a baked in look all the time. Filters do tend to degrade some important sharpness and add too much halation and ghosting to my images. So it’s been refreshing to pull back on using diffusion filters and seeing what my camera can do without baking in a look.

@TheFilmGuyOfficial 2 года назад

The Rodger dekins rule, use the sharpest lenses you can and give it a look with your lighting and in post.

@77dris 2 года назад

I hear "Pro Mist filters" everywhere for the past year or so. It reminds me of a fad, sort of like VSCO presets/filters for photos 10 years ago.

@dna8269 2 года назад

The 1/4+ super bloomy pro mist RU-vidr look is so bad lol, so many people over doing it in the last year or two. Great video bro

@fcmas 2 года назад

I don't think I've ever been this close to an upload's drop. 😂

@Govvind333 2 года назад

I must agree

@Sir-Kay 2 года назад

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder", I guess it's not a old saying afterall.

@keyadade 2 года назад

The way you added that commercial in was super smooth. I almost didn’t notice it was an ad

@alpiasker 2 года назад

Not a lot of people here on RU-vid admits their mistake and shows real improvement. Thank you for sharing your experience

@he.smile_ 2 года назад

Nice to hear how Morgan Cooper inspired a lot of us lol Also nice ad and outro 👍🏾

@producer55 Год назад

Great advice! Its cool to share your trials and experiences with the community. I do agree its easy to get caught up in a particular piece of gear and not realize that your over using it when you don't need too.

@CFloPhotography Год назад

Promist 1 with a circular polarizer and ND filter on a 22 year old 1DS all the way. It comes out like those dreamlike vintage postcards that look like paintings

@jonathantylerkemp8192 2 года назад

That was the cleanest ad integration I’ve ever seen…

@Matt.Gillard 2 года назад

Yes! Be intentional! Also I've loved following CooperFilms, he has a way of capturing the soul of his subjects in a way I wish I could. I don't know him, but I bet his communication style wis his talents would be something we could all get value from!

@delux1101 2 года назад

Aaaaaaaayyyy free style

@wilcurran3377 Год назад

Coop's a boss. I've got a tab in my browser permanently reserved for one of this short films.

@Elemino 2 года назад

Just going to throw you a like for how smooth you slid into that ad spot.

@albertm208 Месяц назад

This is the video I was looking for. I wanted to over invest into the Polar Pro Everyday and Chroma filters with mist. I just got the ZV-E1 with a 24mm f1.4 so I figure I get filters without mist so that I can learn to use them as tools and not as a default. Thanks!

@thomas.kovacik 2 года назад

I recently stopped using mine too, came from picking up vintage lenses and leaving the filter off. Now, I shoot my sigma 24-70 without it and I love it wayyyy more

@katlis 2 года назад

I think YT (not YC) deleted my original comment just after the video dropped because I think I had a link in it? But I just wanted to mention again that it's almost never ideal to use a Mist filter in daylight unless you really want that dreamy/vintage look (eg. "The Box" 2009). For daylight exteriors I suggest looking up their Digital Diffusion/FX series of filters which are "a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus." While it's quite easy to replicate most of the characteristics of diffusion filters in post, Hollywood still uses physical filters frequently because it's hard to replicate certain nuances like bloom/streaks/etc that can overlap foreground elements in a natural way. Anytime you see a dark scene in a film with large background bokeh, look for the dotted patterns in the lights, a clear sign of a filter. That being said, unless you're doing Hollywood features with actresses asking you to use a DDFX4, you definitely don't have to shell out hundreds on these filters if you fiddle with the detail and highlight rolloff in your editor hah.

@DANAMIONLINE 2 года назад

Good point about intentionality.

@rodrigoabreusantos 2 года назад

Thats awesome, bro! Loved the opportunity to edit one of your videos. Learned a lot just from that. Congrats to Shane! Beautiful edit bro!

@zamarinwahdat740 Год назад

thanks for this! I honestly was overusing it aswell for a couple of shorts since I got so excited! In the end the shorts did well and the director liked it but when i watched the footage I just did not like how the camera drew so much attention to itself! So thanks! Using it intentional and with care is the key!

@Collective-ss1zt 2 года назад

Congrats Shane! Exciting to see you a part of the YC team!

@MVPMoneyB 2 года назад

Amen!🙏🏼 💯

@EddiksonPena 2 года назад

Diggin the foreground effect .. different .. I like it

@garrisoncollier 2 года назад

also anytime i’m filming anything i be on set telling people this is how ycimaging does it so this what we doing hahaha so i can really relate to doing what cooper’s doing lol

@DreyMedia6 2 года назад

If you are going to throw them in the trash anyways can I have them? 😂 Great video as always

@AlHawaniTV 2 года назад

You can also apply the Black Pro Mist filter effect through a plug-in “in the Magic Bullet”

@chekyourhed 2 года назад

are you talking about magic bullet by red giant??

@AlHawaniTV 2 года назад

@@chekyourhed yes

@Panther- 2 года назад

@@AlHawaniTV Red Giant again...those guys seem to do everything lol

@straightcheeks4756 2 года назад

what plugin in the magic bullet pack is that?

@robertruffo2134 2 года назад

It looks super cheezy - nothing like a real glass filter which has complexities coming from the angle of light, the specularity of light and more.

@osmanarslan6364 2 года назад

I use Scatter physically accurate digital diffusion on Davinci Resolve and I couldn't be happier.

@kuunami 2 года назад

5:26 That shot with the blunt in his mouth made me laugh for some reason.

@keithnisbet Год назад

Wow what a clever transition into your Artist Ad. So smooth.👍🤗

@iZephiroth Год назад

The segue into the sponsor was probably the smoothest I’ve ever seen. Smoother than LinusTechTips. Lol. Good stuff man. 😅

@jimmynguyen4361 2 года назад

That's a bad habit of mine. I love my pro mist and use it on everything instead of as needed lol. Definitely getting shots without that filter now, after using it for so long, you realize how unnecessary having it on the lens was in some shots. That was also a smooth sponsor transition haha

@XxLuke117xX 2 года назад

Love that this video turned into me learning and seeing another awesome artist. As always, thanks for sharing and awesome video man.

@yttube4319 Год назад

This is the point of the filter. You are correct it's baked in.

@chleepy 2 года назад

lmao this cracked me up yc: lemme use this misty filter yc: too misty, i hate it

@BenPhanStudios Год назад

Hell yeah bro! I'd love to see how you do it in post. Thanks!

@garrettkim2429 6 месяцев назад

Every time I put a pro mist filter into my BH cart, I come back and watch this video to snap myself out of it.

@nealhope6127 2 года назад

Cooper!!! This is the second video this week talking about this topic. If I need mist haze machine.

@ErikPelyukhno 2 года назад

I appreciate this channel a lot. You not only describe things in detail in an entertaining way, but you show really good examples as you’re talking about something so it’s super clear what you mean. Notifications ON

@obiwanmartyn Год назад

using vintage lenses and haze works wonders too

@tre.portrays 2 года назад

That outro had me crackin up 😂

@anthonypc1 2 года назад

Thank you! You persuaded me with these good points.

@marcusoutdoors4999 2 года назад

Very interesting comments on managing skin tone… made me think of a few things I’d like to try out

@MattGotCameras 2 года назад

That was a great transition into the sponsorship

@erlvng Год назад

Yes, it happens. I watch a lot of RU-vid videos, and some people say they use it in everything they shoot. Then other people who would say use it when it is necessary. The yellow filters do wonders for darker skin tones. Keep shooting, and don't stop experimenting

@mex5341 Год назад

now when you have Davinchi and Dehancer you do the same look and at the same time having your original image with sharpness

@NavierPatterson 2 года назад

Great Ad Segment segway

@jzvitendo 2 года назад

I like how you sneaked in Artlist in it just felt like partner the conversation 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

@Gonzalia 2 года назад

Gotta agree with others that random plant was distracting the entire video

@K1ddoh 2 года назад

Bro that transition 👏🏽😂

@Eyeofkamau 2 года назад

Think you’d enjoy GlimmerGlass Filter bro!

@HagaishiSama 2 года назад

I use them for certain situations but not all the time. Just like I don't shoot all my footage in slow mo, just when needed when I want a particular look or feel. Great video as always bro keep doing your thing

@KevinLe 2 года назад

OK. Funny enough. I thought you were promoting some new gear, but you actually spoke to a problem i found in a recent job. I found that i didn't really like having the BMP in all my shots. Even in some situations where i was shooting towards windows and my highlights became way to bloomed and it really made the image too diffused. Then when i went into post i found that i could actually diffuse and add blooming to my shots lol. So to your point, just like any other tool, there's a time and place for it but it doesn't need to be all the time. Thanks for this!

@troywalt4834 2 года назад

Hey, how do you diffuse and add blooming on post, I am curious? 😉

@HKMUSICWORLDTV 2 года назад

Smart move bro 👊🏾

@najishorts9810 2 года назад

Seems like I lost the editing challenge lol…good stuff shayne your a beast…congrats to you

@akshayanthayaparan6805 2 года назад

same here😭

@SkinnyWasHere 2 года назад

love this and shout out to Morgan. Got a chance to meet him during the premiere of Bel AIr, he's solid. I'm a fan.

@Joshuuwaah 2 года назад

I would be super interested to see your process in post to create the Pro Mist look.. I was going to purchase a Pro Mist one day.. Hoping too.. but if you can create this cinematic look in post.. I’m down with that 😁

@ClaytonOrgles 2 года назад

Agreed 100%! I bought one a few years ago when they were trendy, and I've barely touched it lately because I quickly figured out how to approximate the look in post by shooting reference, which I've found I prefer because it's a lot more flexible.

@ikonmediafilms 2 года назад

I felt just lke You man! I didn't use Black Pro-Mist though cause they are a lil heavier than Schneider HW filters (i do have a Tiffen black satin 1 filter though). I shot everything on those filters ; 1/8, 1/4/, 1/2, and then I was having issues correcting some of the footage until I go some SLR magic Lenses and decided one day to go without the filters and Mayne! that lens wide open is a dream! so the camera and the lens were shining through nicely and I got way more confident. I still wanted to shoot with my diffusion filters but i knew something was off when I was looking at what i was getting vs other DP's with the same setup. I went back to the foundations of physics concerning light refraction (Cinematography is very much practical Physics and art being BFFs) and BAM! it hit me like a tonne of bricks. There are two things to consider: 1. Screw on Filters become a part of the grouping of the lens elements and that will change the character of the lens. I bought a 3 stage matte box with hard Mattes and got square versions of all my filters (it did cost me quite a bit) and while I love a lot of what I did before... what I'm doing now makes me really confident in my abilities. The image changed nicely, my flares were coming through and not washing out the image every time direct light hits it. 2. diffusion is caused by tiny dots on the filters and each of those dots becomes like an LED when the light hits it so your lens and camera will bloom. my advice, go down to your lowest strength diffusion or just take it out when shooting towards highlights.

@hejakma4682 2 года назад

Tiffen even offered their bpm filter as a digital version, but they also said that the effect can't be replicated to 100% in post.

@truthseeker36 2 года назад

Video was dope until the end. 🥴 I Cringed mad hard with 2nd hand embarrassment 😬

@DrippyVisuals 2 года назад

Just YC being YC

@nemezote 2 года назад

"Tack" sharp.

@CFloPhotography Год назад

If you know the look you’re going for Get it right in the camera lens instead of editing in post. any editing alters the linear rgb curves. Literally stretching the data values mathematical algorithms. When you stretch data you start to get data banding, you start losing smooth natural gradients. That’s why everyone is going 10-bit and HDR now days, to increase the resolution of the data so that the “editing stretch marks” are harder to see, but they’re still there. The best way to appreciate your sensor’s tones is to keep it linear. The fundamental idea of photography is to capture what you intend to see.

@Visible-soul Год назад

Just know when to use it … don’t need to throw em away at all!! On my vintage lens a pro mist and nd/cpl goes a long way!! Although it’s naturally soft, in natural lighting, tbe light seems to wrap evenly on the subjects skin! But for sure not good to always use as you stated, can’t fix it in post