I Made Sophia Playable in FE7 

Also what I was expecting haha

Same

Me too buddy

I hope you get a new heart soon :)

Fe6 has good mades

it's crazy that you get Ray earlier, at a higher level, and if you level Sophia to the same level she is about the same if not worse. Like OK I'll just use Ray then

@@tehy123 I think she only beats him in magic and maybe res on average, but yeah Ray is so much better it's ludicrous that people actually invest into her so often. Her growths aren't even that good anyway Nino is a God by comparison and she's regarded as bad/an ok investment but you have pent already

​@@mathewo.6501 I actually invest some time on her with my second playthrough, i just needed a angelical robe and two speedwings and she was the one using the legendary weapon isntead of Raigh lol

Her bases are still bad in Chapter 1, just slightly less bad

@@weepingdalek2568 just to clarify, I do mean start of FE6, where her 2 range chip will allow her to grow if you so wish and she'd be comparible to Wolt and Bors. She will at least have a niche for two chapters until you get Lugh, who will join better unless you really went ham on leveling Sophia and got lucky with speed level ups.

@@DanBottiglieri She'll be worse than Wolt due to having significantly lower hit rates and she isn't taking a hit in the event that something goes wrong Like she could do something maybe that early, but her bases are still bad even then

@@weepingdalek2568 If she joined at chapter 1 she would be fine. Not a great unit, but not worse than Wolt. At least she has 1-2 range and is not that hard to train against weaker enemies.

she also would somewhat loses one of her FE7 niche in FE8, as Luna is severely nerfed there compared to FE7

Knoll can at least instantly contribute as a Summoner since he joins at level 10 and can promote right away

From what i remember FE6 got very little of beta testing and some things got changed at literally last moment. Final Boss of FE6 was supossed to be entire different kind of beast but got changed very late in the game development. I suppose Sophia is probably also a victim of those last moment changes but this is only my theory.

​@@tomasziskierka9557Hard mode bonuses on recruitable characters werent even intentional. if they missed that, they definitely did not consider Sophia's viability.

honestly i don't think there's much to sophia's design the devs probably just wanted to add a civilian-esque escort mission to make the guiding ring harder to get and it probably felt too unfair having to drag an allied unit around, so they made her playable to give the player more control instead

There is this one person (not saying the name, not everyone like it :S), who did a balance patch of every GBA FE game (not sure for FE8, but it did for the first 2), and I was surprised to hear at the start that not a single growth rate was going to be touched, for Sophia, it made it very simple: It just doubled her base stats, now that´s a way to make her very good (even though it added Hard Mode bonuses to Raigh, making him absurd too).

It'd be more forgiveable if she has enough skill to actually HIT anything, she can chip from 2 range but if she can't hit jack shit she can't level

Thanks for the input! Glad you enjoyed the vid!

Thanks for the input!

On an official Japanese FE6 character popularity poll, she placed 10th out 80, so it's safe to say she's got a following there. Raigh outplaced her tho (4th/80)

Regardless of popularity... She's a cute half dragon girl who does magic. An alt was inevitable. Also one of her alts is a grail unit, which are typically less popular characters who are still in the theme, with her only premium version, Bridal Sophia, colorsharing with the demote of the banner whose base version happens to be a common F2P merge project even to this day, and as such has a following (on top of being the only adult woman in the entire banner) ; Sophia was likely more intended as kind of a little surprise along the way for Bridal Cecilia merges than the opposite. Like "thanks for pulling, here have a bulky mage flier (who'll get powercrept by Camilla in a few months), now return to summoning Cecilia". The Bridal banner was also 7 months after the Halloween banner, so since the theme was Roy and his harem and they had Sophia's seiyu around, she was a convenient choice for the banner. Cipher, it's quite simple, nearly everyone in the series is represented there. Even the twins from Warriors. As for FE7, since she was present in FE6 and is a half dragon, that means she'd look identical 20 years in the past, and so a Sophia cameo was an easy choice for an extra nod to FE6.

Oh so now I get why Sophia has so high def in FEH

FEH certainly gave her a new lease on life in its earlier years though. Being a high def/res mage with respectable atk meant she became the primary Triangle Adept/Rauorraven user that could shrug off any archer and green unit in the game effortlessly, while holding fairly well to most reds as well. She was even a hard counter to one half of the game's power duo, Brave Lyn. Now she's just unimpressive at best but we're talking about a launch unit in a mobile gacha game that's six years old, so powercreep would hit her. And it hit everybody with very few launch units being even remotely viable. She served quite well in FEH for her time in the limelight.

Availability is important. But no where close to THAT important.

In the early days of the online FE community in the West, 20/20 stats was really all that mattered to people even if it made the playthough actively harder. A 20/20 Sophia will have better stats than a level 20 Niime and really that's all it took to win the argument back then. I'm going to assume that Jim guy has that mindset still.

Same. Arguing with him was so damn obnoxious. For whatever reason he refused to understand that Raigh and Niime far outclass Sophia and insisted that Sophia is in fact better than both of them, it was ridiculous

@@DrewPicklesTheDark Well, fanboys also believed that Sophia is better than Raigh even though Raigh beats the crap out of her at 20/20 (and this is ignoring other positive aspects such as earlier join time for Raigh and better bases and growths). That's how delusional they were about her

​@@smaragdchaosGod the growth rates argument was the worst I had to deal with. Argument basis clings on a fucking 10% magic growth difference between Sophia and Raigh is a horrible basis.

Still haven't gotten around to playing PE, maybe sometime soon!

@@eaturgrns Not only is her base speed good, not only is her speed growth better, she even gets a prf that boosts speed.

based username

Probably grab her growths, Sprite and then, trough FEBuldier replace Canas with Her

@@NEO-cj1jx fascinating... Thank you so much!

I do not know why PoR Naesala, Tibarn and Giffca are in there, they're super strong Laguz and they do not transform back. Also Melady intrigues me as she is a really powerful flier in FE6, that you get right before the Nabata Desert. And Mercedes, well I assume she is a weaker unit compared to her peers? I lack any reasons to defend or bash her.

@@supermariogamer5294 The Laguz royals in PoR Hard Mode only come in after the first phase of Ashnard, so if you're doing Wrath/Resolve Ike stuff, it's very possible for the second phase (and by extension the game) to be over before they can physically reach an enemy, meaning while they are really strong on paper their net contribution to the run is often a flat zero and chances are that one time Rolf did chip damage in his join chapter means he was a more valuable unit for that run, putting them on the bottom of the bargain bin is not only surprisingly accurate but also very funny. The FE3H Maddening meta revolves around using broken player and enemy phase tools to kill everything on Player Phase (Swift Strikes, Hunter's Volley, Vengeance, possibly warpskipping the map entirely) and not taking hits on Enemy Phase (Vantage/Wrath, Impregnable Wall, all the threats already being dead after Player Phase, or the map being over bc you warpskipped it) You rarely need healing for either of those, so a unit like Mercedes that just goes all in on healing is out of a job and only helps with some support stuff that other units have more tools for. And to add insult to injury, Mercedes' Fortify, the one thing she has that really stands out as something unique to her, is actively messing with two of the strongest cheese setups in Vantage/Wrath and Vengeance. Melady I'm guessing is either a joke or a reference to some sort of mod, challenge run, or other appearance outside of FE6 (I don't recognize the icon of her "tier" either) because no one would call vanilla FE6 Melady this bad unironically unless you're literally doing your tier list in reverse order. Also Clive has no place on that iceberg. Someone had to say it. Clive is leagues above every unit in the top layer.

You’re right! LBP my beloved.

@@eaturgrns ayyyy

​@@eaturgrns You're so real for that

You get more lvl ups promoting at 20, but in most cases the instant benefits of promoting (move increase, new weapon types, staff utility, stat gains) outweighs the potential of 10 additional level ups.

But Luna has always been one of the solutions to beat final boss in fe7. 1. Athos 2. The lords 3. Canas with Luna

Wait, you're right... shoot.

i mean... she is bad, but you get my point