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Just FYI, on the sound test in the Maverick you guys had the sun roof curtain open. The other trucks were closed That will affect the sound level in a vehicle.
15:16 nice to see a big empty pick up truck doing 70+ mph in a construction zone probably upset that this little Santa Cruz is doing more truck stuff than it.
Christmas came early this year - well done gents. Of the 3 I’d pick the Maverick. Like Andre said, it’s way more trucky than the other two, and significantly cheaper when similarly equipped. With the SC, besides being worse at brake applications, Nathan’s thoughts on the dual clutch is another reason I’d be hesitant to choose it over the Maverick.
Well it's also a Ford. And I've owned Fords. If you want to take out a college loan amount of debt to own one... you can! I just hope you get to use it for the amount of time you can afford to pay back the loan. (Hint: In the 70,000+ miles you might see some high repair bills).
@@gwpeoples funny, I’ve owned 2 cheap fords, wife had 1. My 2 made it to 200k with zero issues. Wife’s made it to 150k and I had to replace the throttle body. Cost $40 and 15 minutes. My buddys 2020 trailboss just had the engine rebuilt. Give me Ford over GM any day
@@ocrapo9327 Ford is charging a ridiculous $1,500 destination fee so it's not actually $20k. They are laughing at all the suckers calling it $20k because that's exactly what they wanted. Speedkar99 did a in depth mechanical review on the new Escape (which the Maverick is based on) and it's built EXTREMELY cheap... There's a reason why it's cheap
I’d like to see these two get tested in the summer time when it’s hot. It appeared to me like the maverick got really close to getting hot right before the end of the hill. In 45’ weather it makes you wonder if it can really pull 4K pounds up a steep grade like the Ike. Love the videos guys. Keep up the great work!
Good point Jorge, i think both will run hot towing in summer, AND will make far less power as well. My 2.3 Ranger makes great power in cool weather, in 105 degrees, i have to use 3/4 throttle much of the time.
I bet both run hot being boosted engines but I know the Mav is at the edge in cooling capacity as the tuners are having to swap out for a bigger intercooler to get any meaningful gains.
I'd also like to see transmission temperature monitoried. It's one thing to tow once, but it's quite another if the transmission's life is significantly shortened or if it requires significantly more regular service. It may be possible to monitor it with a sufficiently advanced CANBUS device, if the codes are known and the device can interpret. Otherwise it might require putting a sensor in place of a plug on the side of the transmission itself and recording the data the old fashioned way.
Ford brought out the Maverick with price being the primary objective. What they have found out, especially on the higher capability models and higher trims, is that people will throw Ranger or even F-150 money at a Maverick if it's worthy. I know, for example, I'd pay that $4000 more for Santa Cruz level refinement. So yeah, put the engine cover on it, make the seats more substantial, and charge me more. And I think they will. I do predict the 2 year Maverick refresh will have some more equipment for the XL at an entry price of around $23K, and with each model, the equipment and refinement will increase as will the prices.
@@ShersGarage Read the manual for the Maverick. It recommends premium for towing heavy loads. It also warns you to listen for engine knock if using regular, which is just a way of saying it was designed for premium.
Yeah right before it cut away at 27:37 it's close to Hot, note the outside temperature is 46F. If you are close to max towing on a hot day in the mountains I'd be worried.
Or it is more honest than the other 2. They didn't have obd readings to confirm. I've had my own car read 225-230f going through Arizona at 110f but the gauge didn't move.
to be fair the Maverick max tow is 4K and they said their trailer weighed 4K, You have to add all the hamburger riding in the front of that rig as well so they went over the GVW of the truck by at least 500 pounds. If I was going to tow 4k over a mountain I would want a F150 to that job.
You guys know the Honda has a plug under the dash for a normal aftermarket brake controller, and includes a wiring harness and fuse for that in the glove box. Just saying, you took the roundabout solution.
to be fair the Maverick max tow is 4K and they said their trailer weighed 4K, You have to add all the hamburger riding in the front of that rig as well so they went over the GVW of the truck by at least 500 pounds. If I was going to tow 4k over a mountain I would want a F150 to that job.
I wonder how hot the Maverick will get with warmer outdoor temps considering the temp. is only 46. It was already starting to overheat, 6 bars on the gauge Another couple miles would probably put it in the RED
yeah, staying true to Ford's turbo engines, it runs hot... Didn't seem to be such an issue on the Hyundai. My Ecoboost F150 would always run hot when pulling real mountains.
Dont forget how the Maverick did better off road because of the transmission and traction control working the awd. The Santa Cruz had transmission issues trying to manage uphill climbing.
My pick would be the Santa Cruz. It is a top safety pick, it is more comfortable, better sound insulation, and it has a more efficient and powerful engine. They could have selected the sel premium trim of the Santa Cruz to be closer to the Maverick pricing.
Maverick performed better with less cu. In. And towed better. Santa Cruz was comfortable and did not outperform a .5 ltr engine smaller. Great ep guys!
Did anyone notice that at 27:35 the Ford coolant actually heated up 3 notches total? One away from Max temp. I remember the new F-150 of Andreas having heating issues and Ford gave them some lame reason about elevation reducing town rating. Seems like Ford EcoBoost owners that tow might be having some issues.
Seems like Ford may be sacrificing cooling airflow for better fuel efficiency. If a brand new truck overheats you can guarantee the issue will only get worse with age.
criticized for years, Ridgeline created that segment almost 2 decades ago and is a proven solid unibody pickup.the rest just want to reinvent the wheel but as a tech we all know the bad reliability reputation of ford transversal Powertrain ,way worst than hyundai.
I mean if you need trucky stuffs like towing etc., you would get something bigger. I think Santa Cruz is good enough for SUV shoppers who may or may not tow in the future. The transmission is very quick shifting on normal driving which is what 97% of customers will be doing.
I would take the Honda Ridgeline over the other two with it's in bed lockable trunk, side swinging tailgate for easy loading, torque vectoring AWD, 9 speed transmission, and reliability.
I was recently looking at the Honda Ridgeline myself. For the price of a well loaded new Maverick XLT, I was finding 4-5 yo Ridgelines (RTL-T or E) with 40k -50k+ miles. You do get a lot with a Ridgeline, and Honda has a good reputation for reliability, but new comes with a 3 yr bumper to bumper warranty.
@@jonathanallen8236 I get tired of hearing this. A comparably equipped full size is going to be 20k more. Sure, you can get a WT in the 40k-ish range, but it's just that, bare bones. I've been researching for over a year now and this always gets thrown out there. That said, I'm going Ridgeline unless my brain convinces me to get the Ranger for the low range and ground clearance.
@@tracy2928 Your choice. I just don’t see a unibody holding up to any real work. It’s comparable to heavily modifying an older jeep Cherokee and off-roading it. Sure they can do great things off-road, but do it too much and the chassis starts tearing up. The spot welds break and slowly become worn out. As a mechanic I’ve been under a lot of vehicles and can honestly say that Japanese vehicles use the thinnest of metal in all of their body structures. So for me and the safety of my family, I’m gonna have a body on frame truck or no truck. Do as you wish!
If you or anyone else does decide on a Ridgeline make sure you pull the rear sill panels and check for water under the carpet. They've been having sealant issues since 2017. The rear cab wall lets water in where it pools in the floor under the carpet. Most don't know it since the carpet will not let water soak through. Honda will fix it but it's a very involved process.
Thank you Andre and Nathan! I have been waiting for this and I think the Ridgeline was exactly the right comparison truck. The Santa Cruz and Maverick are basically giving us a vehicle in the same vein as the G1 Ridgeline Honda introduced in 2006. Except this time, lots of people are interested in this kind of vehicle. I agree with Nathan's call and I think the Hyundai's 1000 lbs. of extra capacity is important. I need 4500 lbs. towing myself so that 5K limit is key. Do you have any observations on how stable each truck felt (with the trailer) in normal driving?
@@ocrapo9327Towing all the time, I agree and I've had bigger trucks for that. But the 5000 lb. limit is great for bringing the right size boat back and forth to its seasonal mooring.
Hey Andrey!!!! Very nice having Nathan do all the work with the phone for timing, and testing the audio himself as well. VERY good change!! I really was waiting for this video!!! The results were mostly as expected. The Santa Cruz was definitely a surprise as quiet as it was!!!
With a lack of tow mode in the Honda, I would have tried sport mode. Sport has more aggressive shifting, even for downshifiting, and I think it would have been more like tow mode than standard.
My pick for the winner is the Maverick, because it comes with the brake controller and has a tow haul mode and has better down hill performance. I suspect the reason the Mavericks tow rating is limited to 4,000 pounds vs 5,000 pounds might be the cooling capacity. It was getting warm at the top of the test. That is often the reason there is a lower weight capacity for a given tow package. If I remember correctly, Andre’s F150 power boost also derated its power for a short time while towing up the Ike, then when it cooled down into the acceptable range it then resumed full power for the remainder of the trip up the hill.
So I've never requested anything.. I think something we all would love to see would you to floor it on the steepest part to see what the vehicle has left in it. Since the Honda was all out.. what about the Santa Cruz. And Maverick. I'm just getting to the Maverick part in this video. BUT would LOVE to see a small section of what the vehicle had left in it to give around the steeper part!
My dad owned a Sinclair station while I was growing up. That was before they moved out of the Midwest. I'd take the comfort and smaller size of the Santa Cruz.
Well done 👏, The Honda Ridgeline was my first choice for a new vehicle but it doesn't have a Dedicated 2 speed transfer case. waiting on a 22 Tacoma TRD Off-Road
I just bought the Santa Cruz and will have an aftermarket class III hitch put on, but I'm only going to use my 5'×8' landscaping trailer, lol. I have the 2.5L NA.
All of these test are helpfull, But I want to see a 3500lb 22 foot travel trailer being towed up and down that road and see how well the maverick handles it. I have the fx4 awd on order and thats what I will be towing twice a year dog included
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The reason the Maverick engine is noisy is that there is a fuel pump right on top of the valve cover, which ups the pressure for the direct injection system. It makes tapping sound more frequently depending on RPM. There's a rubber sleeve on it to reduce noise, but it's still "tappy".
The Santa Cruz is a very nice first effort from Hyundai at a pickup for America. However, as goof as it drives and great design it is, at $41k CAD it is uncomfortably close to the midsize pickups like the Colorado, Tacoma and Ranger. The Maverick starts significantly less and while it is less refined and truck like, the far lower price and capability is where I would go with if I needed a small pickup.
I notice the temperature was climbing more on the Maverick than the Santa Cruz or the Ridgeline (benchmark vehicle). Is it because the ford was towing at the max or it is mostly the nature of inclining any vehicle uphill in a steep grade?
I would like to see these trucks compared off road. Which is better. How about new tremor maverick . Also for shits and grins what about the old Subaru pickup that was discontinued?
I was comparing a fully optioned Maverick Lariat to the Santa Cruz SEL Premium, which were very close in price. I took the more comfortable ride that was made in America. Also, if you'd read the manual, you will see that the Hyundai was designed for peak performance on 87 octane (another big factor in my decision making) so I'm not sure why you are wasting money on premium. It's not needed.
Great video... wish you had tested the Maverick HYBRID, wonder how it would have done in the downhill. Would it generate lots of battery power (with less breaking) and then used that power on the uphill?
Just bought a Maverick…😂 Sorry but Tow pack, Off road pack, heated seats and steering wheel and it was $32k… People have forgotten the value of a dollar. The Maverick is a a great value car… Regardless of the pick up idea.
I wonder how long term reliability will compare. Maverick is cheaper, but it sounds like you get what you pay for. Santa Cruz sounds like it's more capable and more premium for a higher price.
Sinclair was around when I was little back in the early 60’s. So for this test how many blue pills did you crush up and put in the fuel tank. I am 6’3” and 300 lbs, stick me on the trailer with a couple of BBQ Cheese Steaks and some 2 liters of Coke and we’ll see how they tow me!!!!
My local dealer has a Santa Cruise SLE with just the tow hitch and floor mat option. With the non-turbo and 8 speed torque converter transmission. I am going to go take a look at it. So far, I am liking the Maverick more, but am having a hard time choosing which configuration I want. I like the Hybrid because of the quiet very highly fuel efficiency it has, for a very good value. But I am thinking my sweet spot is going to be the Maverick XLT AWD with the max tow and FX-4 packages. I want power mirrors, cruise control, the front recovery hooks, and the 4000 pound towing with the 7/4 pin connector. I would like the leather wrapped steering wheel and the heated power mirrors, but I don’t want to spring for the extra expense of the XLT luxury package. Nor the extra cost of the Lariat package. I don’t really want the leather seats.
99% of new vehicles will last 200k miles if properly maintained. The 2.0 ecoboost has been around for years, same with Ford’s 8 speed. I havent seen any horror stories about either. You’ll be fine
@@jakes5530 I’m done with ecoboosts. My 2016 f150 2.7 smokes on startup, not every time. 39,000 miles. I have a 2022 Tacoma that will be here before the new year.
@@maxracingteam23 man that’s unfortunate, hope you enjoy your new taco. Id be willing to take the risk on the Ford. With how the car market currently is, my trade-in combined with how cheap the Maverick is would equate to monthly payments of about $200/month on a fully loaded $37k lariat awd. Cheap enough to tolerate minor reliability issues here and there, and cheap enough to where if I needed to get rid of it for something else, I wouldnt lose much money on it.
@@maxracingteam23 there is a repair bulletin out for the 2.7 smoking on start. Mine did it too. The turbo oil line (I think it’s the left side) can leak oil into the turbo when it’s been sitting for a while and on start up it causes it to smoke. I went to the dealer and they fixed it.
My wife has an Escape with that 2.0 ecoboost (Mazda derived block) 172k miles with zero issues. Hyundai powertrains are questionable and dual-clutch will not last. Honda vs Ford imo depending on personal preference and price.
The biggest question is will the Hyundai engine hold up. they seem to have lots of problems ever since 2010 when they starting building their own engines .
Dual clutch is NOT meant for off roading. There is a 8spd Automatic version of the Santa Cruz that can handle that..Nathan have mentioned this in the video. He just needs to test one out..The Dual clutch is just for performance and more towing. Keep in mind, the Santa Cruz was never meant to be a "Truck". It's a car that just happens to have a bed. The Maverick on the other hand is inspired to be a truck. Hence both have different ride qualities.
Well fellas , Hyundai doesn't call the Santa Cruz a Truck first off , but man you guysdid an excellent review !!!Thanks big time , cause I just bought a 2022 Santa cruz sel premium ( turbo and awd ) and we're getting ready to buy a 22 ft travel trailer to tow , and I am So glad that you did this video ,really puts my mind at ease about towing with my Santa Cruz. One thing I did notice is there is a button down on the middle console behind the shifter and it looks like it's for cruise control while you're going downhill , I'll research it in the manual and see . Because theway the picture on the button looks , it makes me think it does something to hold your set speed while going downhill 🤔?
It's unfortunate you rely on the vehicle trip computers for the fuel mileage for which you award points when it's proven over and again that most are very optimistic, IN YOUR OWN VIDEOS. Actual figures would be helpful, even if you have to go any distance to fill the fuel tank(s). A true towing comparison should include ACTUAL fuel economy!
Yes! This is also my frustration, especially when it's used to award or deduct points based on a 0.2 MPG difference. I especially want to know accurate MPG when towing with a turbocharged engine. My Ridgeline reads consistently 1.3 MPG high, as checked on a recent 2200-mile road trip. These factory MPG readings are calibrated by the marketing department to make buyers feel happy with their purchases.
I agree, especially considering Ford is famous for over estimating fuel economy by a considerable margin, proven on the fuel economy run Tommy did in the hybrid. I'm sure Hyundais is off too. Be interesting to see them both on a fuel economy trip like Roman used to do just highway speeds and then with city driving. Cause I am interested in long haul situations with heavy highway mileage, having comfort and a fuel economy expectation would be nice to see cause having a little bed would be handy for me.
How do you propose they measure the "ACTUAL" fuel economy? There isn't a fuel station at the top of the mountain, and even if there were, using fill-ups to measure mileage is wildly inaccurate over a 7 mile journey.
Only available on the higher trims of the Santa Cruz but the turbo only comes in a DCT, which are known to have issues. Then again, the Santa Cruz isn't the kind of truck you want to tow with.
I wonder what the limiting factor (if any) is keeping those things at 4000lbs, they certainly have enough power for more on less steep towing, rear axle? tires? trans cooling? Ridgeline sure is a nice looking truck.
From being sort of an auto engineering nerd, it's probably the vehicle itself. The lighter weight of not just the frame and drivetrain components, but the vehicle itself can be a deciding factor. There is a weight where the trailer starts "wagging the dog" so to speak. So yeah, there is a bit of "nanny state" at work here, with payload and trailer ratings. Can it handle more? Maybe, but can it do it within the safety parameters the manufacturer requires? That's the question. Like, if a vehicle can tow 4000LBS up and down the Ike, I would have no issue going over that to tow on the flatlands. But would the manufacturer warrant such actions? No.
That noise you hear on the Ford at idle is the fuel pump. Sounds almost like valve train noise. The direct injection fuel pumps are noisy, even when wrapped with sound insulation.
Ok. So yeah. Hyundai is basically a car that can do truck stuff. The Maverick is a truck that does truck stuff. Hyundai rides like a car, has comfort like a car, has gizmos like a car. Maverick rides like a truck, has (less) comfort like a truck and has (less) gizmos like a truck. But the BIG takeaway is that if you wanna haul something and you have to use a small truck to do it, GET THE MAVERICK. it is just better at it and has more towing related features.
Awesome video. You guys should do an old vs new ike gauntlet. test older trucks from the early 2000 and late 90's to see how they compare to the new trucks
Take them up Loveland pass instead! Follow the gas tankers. Hated getting stuck behind going to A basin. Funny role reversal I now live in WI. Hello Roman!
Watching the straps on the 2CV loosen on every bump was fun. With a soft suspension rig, you really need to strap to the wheels or suspension arms. The body moves too much to trust things to stay secure. I fully understand the limitations and don't fault you for using what you have, just pointing out an issue I've dealt with on my Jeeps.
I hope that competition doesn’t grow these vehicals more and more. They too will become more and more expensive. Sometimes many people over pay when they think they want “the best”. Isn’t that how we end up with a market of $90,000.00 trucks? I’m going for price value fuel economy and truckness. Maverick hybrid XLT. Admittedly we own a 2001 Dodge Cummins H O 4x4 for our heavier needs.
Should work on your points system. You deduct 3 points for touching the brakes 3 times? How about deducting 3 points on the Maverick for being 3dbs louder and another 2 for not being able to manage heat properly?
You were going downhill in automatic 8th gear at 1500RPM 62MPH on the Santa Cruz which is not a good idea when towing that much. Then you reved up the RPM by downshifting to 3rd gear at 55 MPH which is kind of nuts. Why not just drop it to 7th gear or maybe 6th and let it hold that speed without breaks?
My lariat ranger didn’t come with an engine cover either. Also rangers don’t get an optional brake controller. You have to either go aftermarket or buy a dealer installed one. Ford cheaping cheep out.
Can you guys please request the naturally aspirated Santa Cruz and do similar videos with that version? I know the team is kindof stuck with what they get from the manufacturer but for the guy who can only afford the sub-$30k version with the non-turbo engine I’d really like to see what it can do as an all arounder.
Hyundai’s history of weak rod bearings and piston rings does not provide any confidence in long-term reliability of the drivetrain with the stresses of towing. Throw in at best unknown reliability of a dry clutch direct shift transmission under load and you are making a big gamble against terrible odds.
It’s not a dry clutch. it’s a wet clutch. It’s the first year they’ve used it. So, not going to speak on the long term durability. But, it’s not a dry clutch.
Was is just me? I swear I heard Nathan say,”Did you hear it bang?!” When they went over a bump in the Santa Cruz with the trailer attached while climbing the Ike. If it bounced off the bump stops it surprises me that Nathan would choose it.
Nathan I was about to suggest the same thing. I am curious though, can we expect a fuel economy loop on the Maverick and Santa Cruz, cause I do a lot of interstate travel and am curious to see what these two offer cause I need a bed for some things (fuel canisters and others you don't want in your cabin). Fords fuel predictions are above Hyundai but I'm curious about real world figures and no one has done it like you guys and I would like to see you guys dust off the MPG loops again for this new class of vehicle.
Can you guys please do a Toyota 4Runner on the Worlds toughest towing test. I know a lot out outdoor enthusiast, myself included would find value in that video.
Lol these guys, this is unfair. The Ridgeline is based on a large SUV platform..... The pilot, which competes with the explorer. Now the maverick is based on the escape which compares with the CR-V. These are compact SUV based trucks, the only capable over is the Ridgeline which is full size SUV platform. Still no comparison, but a Ridgeline is superior
