I Might Have Invented Something New... 

It's cool to see one of my favorite youtubers watch one of my new favorite youtubers. Always nice to see that a lot of engineering people on youtube appreciate each others work!

i love how each engineering youtuber watches every other one, thats how you know that a youtuber actually enjoys what they do

@@9_1.1same with chemists on youtube

we think It's great.

hello there

I mean you would learn what's right to do since it worked

"If i knew what i was doing , i wouldn't be doing it". This saying popped into my head not long ago while I was painting I don't know who said it or if I came up with it

What would be the purpose/value in learning if everything you did worked first try. I'd take being perfect over needing to learn painful tedious lessons.

I would rather not learn anything then

That doesn't make any sense. You can see it by having a lucky streak of things that happened to work in a row. You can then extend that principle onto infinity. The fact is, if everything you did worked first try, then you'd be able to learn much more.

or just do an FEA analysis before machining so you can see unexpected deformations

@@sandygrungerson1177 a finite element analysis analysis?

@@benkilgore i dont like saying "FEM analysis," it sounds like a woke literary theory.

Very true indeed. Though lots of great idea in this comment section. Thank you!

@timengleman “Close enough for government work.”

Reminds me of that saying, "Perfect is the enemy of good."

Unless you need REALLY tight tolerances 5k variance shouldn’t even make a difference in the finished piece.

Just make one side thicker. Accept the other will bow.

true, true! but there is some beauty into it!

I'm not sure where to go from here 😅

@@InheritanceMachining what if, instead of a screw, it instead is a spring mechanism that pushes upwards and performs the locking? Then there's no twist applied to the part. Same concept as before with expanding the dovetail lock, but a couple slight changes to the topmost piece to contain the mechanism for compressing/releasing the spring.

@@zfolwick I would not fiddle with springs, instead I would replace the screw with an excenter-lever locking pin (similar to how scooter handlebars are locked). That would also make this mechanism toolless to adjust, while still being sturdy enough.

@@matekovacs2696 that sounds superior. Minimal fuss.

you can't patent something if you have already publicly shared the idea

@@ejaz787 There's a one year grace period for the inventor to file following their own public disclosure of the idea

@@charliekritzmacher4698 ahh ok. must be different in the US

​@@ejaz787time specifics might differ, but this principle refers to most countries.

@@provit88 yeah uk has no grace period

thats why I subscribed ... and of course becausse I am fascinated about the work and ideas

It's been days but I just put his vids on to fall asleep to 😭😭😭

Happy Mistakes

Literally his name is Brandon...

ahahahahahahaah. ahahahahahahahahaha your so funny. aaaaAAAAAAAA hahahahahahaa

Right? It was very soothing and I got tired in no time. Watched the rest of it the next morning though. :D "wheeeeee!"

@@MacUsher Not sure what you are trying to say. Isn't Bob short for Robert? ^^

Store brand IM 😂 Thanks!

Or you just watched a 25min video about a single side project.

I choose to believe cutting the screw was a side project

well he could've sharpened the blades as a sideproject

Thanks so much!

Same

Exactly, it's so easy to see how the current school system ruins it for everyone because it's all just numbers and letters with no real meaning to you UNTIL you advance enough that you actually even realize how incredible these numbers and letters are and how they can help in getting into a career you're truly passionate about.

I really appreciate that, man! We'll get it there. I say "we" because there are a lot of great ideas in these comments!

I like the way you guys define perfection. The only thing missing is a tiny sliver of tolerances that will not be required on %99 of work. You could ask far less of any big production boss and he’d laugh in your face. Have run machines on a production line but definitely not claiming machinist status. Thanks, keep thinkin.

I am a machinist and you did a great job. It’s progress with the process lol

yeah cool man. beyond cool. BEYOND. Well done champ. the tin can man says.

At 3:40 I’m with ya and already a new sub. Your a true sculptor of your craft. I hope to take all that I can from your channel. If I am one tenth of your talent I will have robbed you and in debt to you I admit. Thank you for your generosity. GOD Bless

A thicker wall on the work side, and a thinner one on the other, this will reduce any deflection on the work side.

Could you heat treat it to strengthen the sides?

Actually, the problem can be cured by making the guide body in two pieces. A base and a cover in effect. The base is a flat plate with the slot for movement. The top is a box with just a partial slot for the head of the screw. The fun part is how to drive the screw, that is done by using a worm screw setup driven from the end with a hex shaft. In operation, the worm slides along the shaft as you move the body while it stays in engagement with the head of the screw. Then you turn the hex shaft to tighten the screw. A device that even Rube Goldberg would love.

This is the first thing I'd try as well!

Why not have guides on the ends of the block to engage with the track?

Thanks, man! Yeah that's definitely true. I suppose that why many inventors go broke searching for the solution. I think I got a bit lucky for a first go honestly

"I made this mistake, but here's what I did next" is the most valuable content! A video showing someone's flawless execution at something is a tribute to the creator. A video showing how to adapt and save your work is about problem solving and passing on knowledge and experience. They look similar but they are not the same thing.

its great to see the things you would overlook !!!

It's honestly just a honor to be mentioned with those folks. Been following them for years 😁 Thanks a lot!

But if you run out might I suggest Cutting Edge Engineering, awesome channel like this one!

Don''t forget to mention Stefan Gotteswinterand there are even more awesome machinists.

mesmerizingggggggg wwwwooooooowwwww mesmerizing. Ahhhhhhhhhh. wohhhhh super COOL

Much appreciated! Thank you

Not true. Official patent paperwork being filed will win 99% of the time. If two people file on the same day then documentation of work performed can play a minor role. Not saying it's right, just repeating what patent attorney say. It's the same as that myth of mailing yourself a copy of your manuscript will validate future copyright claims.....IT WON'T.

@@BigDaddy-yp4mi wow. who spit in your bosco

@@BigDaddy-yp4mi official patent will also not work in the face of China.

​@BigDaddy-yp4mi meh, if someone tries to patent my invention, ill literally off them. Then again, maybe thats why i have no inventions, God knows me too well😂

@@RR-by2iyThat needs to change. Be the change.

I have sooo many random little fixtures and jigs for all kind of one off parts, sometimes you run into a project and go "i have something for that!"

What shortened vise stop are you referring too?

Too late for patents. It prior art now!

He's building out a new tech tree. This is like a mini version of inventing the wheel or the lever. I can see applications for this tech.

Ew IP is gross

​@@poiu477lame af

You could have it as a walked key for the bolt, and have a spring loaded Alan key inside it, be a bit finicky to build but it should work.

Same. I need more but I also know that making them takes a lot of time and effort so all I can do is be patient

i am a machinist also, im work with regular and cnc machines for 9 years, and.. i say this guy is very clever

I'd like to recommend This Old Tony if you're not already familiar.

There are horse additions honestly 😉 But seriously, thank you

​@@InheritanceMachiningI've never been addicted to horse but I imagine it has quite a kick

Dawww, shucks... 😊 Thanks man!

Just thickening the sides quite alot could stop bowing and also provide much more surface area for friction to hold it square.

I don't think heat treating would help with the flexing issue. The parts are deforming elastically and the amount of deflection is controlled by Young's modulus - a value that doesn't change with heat treatment.

agreed, many people confuse yeild strength with stiffness@@cwell2112

Did you watch it twice? 😉

@@InheritanceMachining yep!

Thanks Bradley. That's something that I totally understand why some people do. On a project this big it's hard to hit all the details in one video. But with some clever organizing/titling it can be spread to 4 videos (5 if you count the toe clamps) like I managed here. Anyway I really appreciate the encouragement. I definitely feel the pressure to make things faster/snappy/etc.

I was thinking the same thing. No real reason for there to be adjustment in that direction since that clearance for an end mill doesn't change at all between big and small corner rounds

Thanks a lot, Martin! Welcome!

Was thinking about the wall thickness because essentially having your wall thickness thicker, the amount of deformational effect from torquing down the part should become minimized. That however will depend if you increase the size of your screw and of course you will have limitations on the level of accuracy you may want to round corners with (e.g. workspace use), but the heat treatable alloy is a good thought.

Increasing wall thickness is definitely the way to go here. Deflection is a cube law to thickness. The heat treatment is a good thought, but in general will make the material harder, but not any stiffer as Youngs modulus/stiffness of a material is only minimally affected by hardening

@@jeffreyhayashida2355What about material type? Is there a material that is stiffer?

@@preachers4135 Tungsten Carbide. Those pieces could be made by someone like Sandvik Coromant but the tooling alone to forge them would be a small fortune. And even then it would need to be a redesign. The friction slit to secure the part would no longer be possible. Maybe 304 Stainless steel would be worth a try.

Could possibly have a rectangular perimeter piece that fits around the main piece with a slightly larger width hallowed out region to allow the main piece’s sidewalls to expand into on either side. it could be cheap and easy to replace when wear is substantial enough to cause uneven placement of the workpiece along the larger rectangular perimeter piece

Unfortunately, by making this video he's no longer able to patent it.. it is now public knowledge.

Just because it’s now public knowledge shouldn’t keep you from getting a patent. The biggest problem is the cost of the patent. This I know first hand as I’ve patented several motorcycle performance products . I’ve been knocked off by some big boys . One in fact was Harley Davidson. The fact that they even admitted they stole my idea still left me high and dry. I spent a bunch of money securing a utility patent. This is the only patent that really offers you protection. A design patent is virtually useless because a simple 10% change and your out of the game. Now a utility patent protects the idea itself regardless of design changes. While this all is true the BIG problem is how well the patent was applied for and written up. Big boys with deep pockets will have their attorneys pic it apart and most always find something they can use to beat you. Maybe not however but in the process you will spend a small fortune defending your patent. As in the case with HD while they agreed they stole it they replied saying you won’t live long enough to collect. Your patent is only as good as the money you have to defend it. Of course if your fortunate enough to have a perfect attorney your ok. However you will spend serious money in securing that as well. You will then have to basically prove how much money you will loose in sales as a result of this. The other sad part is you need to spend money to renew the patent ( I believe it was every3 or 5 years) bottom line is that you’d better be ready to spend serious money. Hence you really need something that will potentially produce even bigger money. In actuality it’s pretty pathetic that a patent is intended to help out the small guy with not so deep pockets and falls way short of that. Wrong…..simply WRONG.

@@arnoutdecock476 Not true. If someone else tries to patent this before him, he could bring this video forward as "Prior Art". His idea is perfectly safe. In fact, the video serves as proof of its origination.

There will be no interest, CNC works better and faster. 😎

Totally agree, that was a very clever idea, he needs to be re-warded with a patent.

Funny you should mention that. We've been considering the idea lately. Maybe I need to put a poll up... Thanks, Johan!

@@InheritanceMachining I"ve got to agree with Johan on this one, I know that were I to get into machining, that I would definitely find this to be an excellent kit to purchase and produce because not only does it have so many opportunities to practicing machining skills, but at the end of the project it becomes an amazing tool that will serve for many years to come!

I thought of that a couple of videos back, you could sell these things. Saying that I have no idea of how big the machining market is

My brother got a bunch of our grandads tools and he's not the most active tool user and it breaks my heart that he snagged stuff that he'll never use and likely sell in a decade or two because he can't remember what it's for or from.

​@@Fab-n-dabKev If you can afford, please convince him to sell it to you, if you can.

@@SapioiT that's the plan.

@@Fab-n-dabKev Good luck! Edit: If you cannot convince him to sell you everything at the same time, try a few tools at a time, or one tool at a time. "Hey! I need this particular tool. A second-hand one is this much, and I'll pay you a bit more for the one grandpa left.

I really appreciated that. Thank you so much!

Hardening won’t prevent deflection, the modulus of elasticity is an inherent property of each material and unaffected by heat treat. It will change the force required to “set” a deflection in the part (likely to the point it breaks before deflection sets), but not flex the part in the first place.

Shorter is a good idea! I also don't even really need the slot adjustability so a simple co-bored hole would work as well. Hardness would help with the friction but wont effect the elasticity as Malex mentioned. I'm hesitant to make them wider just because it takes up clamping real estate. Thanks for the ideas!

Try to turing the v groove 90 degrees, thisway the bulging is more prominent on one axis. Or make the contact a point contact... Anyway a alternative would be to have pins for alignment instead of the groove then you dont have lateral forces. Anyway this is super nifty stuff.

@@InheritanceMachining If you were to make them considerable wider then they are and drop the slot you could replace the dovetail making them square to the nut with pins. That way you it wouldn't expand anymore. You could also have the bar not touch the face of the plate and lock only with the expanding dovetail. That way friction from that contact would not keep the bar from aligning.

I'm no engineer, but how about an L profile where the larger side has the screw offset, and the shorter side touches against your part?

I normally hate being the pedant, but there are two errors here. 1 Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, he invented the screw in socket for lightbulbs. 2 the quote isn't about lightbulbs bit about his life generally, and is properly "I have found several thousand ways that don't work" though usually it's miss quoted as 10 000 ways that don't work

@@Dreadought "It took me seventeen years to get three thousand hits in baseball. I did it in one afternoon on the golf course." Hank Aaron

Team Tesla here... :)

I’m soooo definitely looking forward to you using this unique new tool. This project Hass to be one of your works of art worthy of an award of some sort. 🤓

I'm a total novice looking from the outside in. Those blocks looked to be approximately an inch wide. Why not make them 1 1/8" wide or 1 3/8" wide to stop the flexing. Same with the "V" nut parts. ...ok, 1.125 and 1.375 🫣 I took machine shop in high school. I recall making a knurled handle on the lathe as others made brass pipes. 😂 I never got as far as using the milling machine but that big monster just amazed the heck out of me. With all that said, I'm thinking those beautiful pieces you made do exactly what you need, just as they are. 👍

I probably would have gone my whole life not knowing about quoins. They look pretty nifty. So much technology is being forgotten.

@@barcodenosebleed5485 They are handy, I made some that were bigger out of steel and for years they went with me all over the place when I repaired/modified industrial gearboxes. In tight spots you could use them as mini jacks, but they had lots of uses. 👍

What a clever device i've never heard of. I don't even think I've seen that mechanism replicated anywhere in modern technology either. Closest I can think of are the little plastic wedge pairs you use to level a toilet installation. Thanks for that!

Thanks again, Scott! Hopefully I find more uses for this. At least that was the point in the first place 😂

My 3D printing philosophy often involves getting things close enough, testing them to failure, then redesigning and running the process again until the failure test is within reason. Also known as "Close enough to perfect"

Thanks a lot! As usual 😉

Thanks, Francisco!

Or two screws, with expanding dovetails

Yes. This is it!!

My pleasure! Thanks for being here to watch them 😊

I literally just had this idea as well! Just like the lathe ways like you said. Thanks for the validation!

Thanks!

Thanks! I'm sure I'll be revisiting this one 😅

@@InheritanceMachining much deserved, ill be back to see😁

😂 ~$1000 for a rotary fixture or $50,000 for a CNC

@@InheritanceMachining on a cnc you dont have to turn any handwheels or swing levers so you can do something else when the machine is running and making multiple of something is really easy

And don't get me wrong i have huge respect for the machinists that made really complicated parts bevore cnc existed. I also enjoy manual machining there is something satisfying about grinding your own lathe tools. But once you get used to capeable machines and CNC you hardly ever wan't to go back

I really appreciate that. Thanks a lot! I think there's a ton of ways I'll be able to use this. Might even have to make up a couple reasons as well 😉

@@InheritanceMachining it certainly looks like a very useful piece of kit, i'm not very familiar with American measuring units though so i don't know how much you'll be able to use those unique guides you made. and yes there's no better excuse to make something than to be able to use a piece of machinery.

🎨 thanks!

Yes im picturing miniature vee ways as a solution to keep it from deflecting and getting wider. I doubt they need to be very large at all to do the job.

I like the idea but I believe the problem is the slit inside the bottom dovetail piece, which functionally widens as it tightens; this also widens the top bar price. Not sure if that tapered washer idea would be able to counter those widening forces.

​@@evanharriman5352 Not seeing how the spread in the dove tail piece causes spread in the top piece. I'm thinking it's the clamping force doing it. I​​f you made them from A2, then hardened it all, it might. You could also try a rectangular nut, instead of round, to increase contact & resistance to spread. Then go w/ a square cut & slot instead of a taper. Another thought, rather than merely going beefier w/ the top block, would be to make it 1 sided w/ a ridge back on the other a la a long, cast iron precision straight edge. Then make the other side slightly beefier.

Adding a shaped slider rather than the washer would be rather elegant as long as it didn’t contribute any side ways forces, I’m sure I’ve seen something that did just this, just can’t remember where. Nuts!

Thanks 😁

Thanks a lot, Brent! Welcome

Nope, I completely followed that 😁 I think that would work great actually. Added to the list of possible fixes! Thanks for the idea and kind words!