If you stomp heroes that can't easily escape you can mow them down anyway when you're that close. I like to play Kiriko, wait until Mauga stomps, then swift step in to support him with healing, suzu and/or kunais to clean up backline squishies. Works pretty well, especially if we get additional help from the rest of the team, preferably a Bap, Ana or Mercy that can support or any hitscan/dive DPS to help clean up.
I actually find that Junker Queen has a rather favorable matchup against Mauga. Her speed with commanding shout makes her rather hard to hit, on top of having one of the smallest hit volumes for a tank. It seems counterintuitive, but her rushdown style and passive healing seems to be rather effective against his kit.
Also because junker queen wants to play in the sweet spot where mauga both can’t use double minigun AND a single mini gun isn’t good enough (you aren’t in a poke phase)
it takes just under half a second of fire to set a target on fire (the 10-12 bullets at fire rate of 18 shots per second) bigger trouble is that you need to hit that amount of bullets in a certain amount of time
@@somedude4087Yeah that seems to be the issue tbh. Sometimes even at close range it would feel like it takes a bit for the fire to kick in because the spread makes all of the bullets to miss
agree with pretty much all your thoughts. As an Ana main I do worry post Mauga release that Ana will be doing so well because of being strong both against and with Mauga that she's just going to get nerfed into the ground
Ana desperately needs a rebalance, for the sake of pretty much everyone else. Biotic grenade just needs to reduce healing, not completely deny it. Until they make that change, nothing will change and she'll keep posing the same problem. They can reduce its cooldown afterwards, or up the area of effect, or maybe make her rifle do 75 again like a few seasons ago. But the nade is the primary culprit to her imbalance, changing it will make so many other comps actually playable because you won't have to worry about being completely crippled every fight without a Zarya or Kiriko.
She needs to be nerfed though. That ana nerf completely missed the mark. Hitting anti on a tank isn't skillful at all, longer cooldowns aren't going to fix that. Either reduce time for tanks or straight up rework that nade to reduce healing which should still be strong.
@@tau-5794 This is the realest take. A lot of supports need fundamental changes not just number tweaks like we got this patch. Ana's nade needs to be a healing reduction, kiriko needs the invulnerability removed from suzu, and probably more. But those 2 abilities are going to be a fundamental problem for balancing until they are changed.
One complaint that I had was that his charge feels clunky if you cancel it. For comparison, Rein has a relatively smooth recovery if you cancel out of charge, sliding forward a bit and giving you back control. But Mauga just sort of freezes in place and the camera zooms back into first person POV.
From what I've played of him which is quite a bit, he's really feast or famine and takes a lot of game knowledge on when to get in and get offensive. He is quite dependent on his supports. He's fun, I like him, but I don't know if he's good for the health of the game. I think he perpetuates the put everything into the tank to destroy it mentality.
Fun Tip: Even at close range with dual chains going. Aim for the head. The right gun crits anywhere, but the left doesn't. (And I don't have total confirmation, but I think the right gun crits for more on heads while burning. IDK how to bring up numbers in the training range)
While Mauga seems strong, I fear he will have a hard time finding an identity. He is yet another brawl tank, doing well against dive and poor against poke, as do all other brawl tanks. Maybe he will be the strongest brawl tank, but if he isn't, then I don't see him having any sort of niche besides "I REALLY don't like this Winston on the other team, and have decided against playing the other anti-scientist tanks". Unsure if this is much of a problem though if people still play him for his depth and fun, just a league level problem. Excited for the Mauga compilations, featuring him diving the enemy widow using extremely niche charge spots.
if anyone wants to see more perspectives with mauga and other heros i have more footage of the pugs with yeatle and mauga uploaded if anyone would like to watch :) theres also his full vods with his perspectives on his twitch! Its alot of fun i would recommend hopping in some time.
He feels OP when uncountered and useless when countered. I thought we were supposed to be moving away from hard counters. I know powercreep is the root issue but still, this isn't helping.
my experience with Mauga was, does an absurd amount of damage BUT its inconsistent against squishy targets as it's hard to constantly setting them on fire unless you are Bastion Torbjörn or another tank. So you end up doing 20k of damage in a match for only shooting the other tank, feeding their supports and getting nothing mostly done.
I can agree that his single-fire damage was probably only lackluster due to spread, some small buffs to offset current weaknesses could either be stomp igniting or cardiac granting some ammo. Though they could also go the healthier route of addressing what causes those weaknesses being mostly nade denying healing and -cleanse- instead being invuln
there's also a thing where firing one/two guns slows you down for 20/40% respectively so even more reason not to fire both at all times and his passive isn't exactly a little over health its 40% of the crit damage so the stomp sweetspot does give overhealth (32 per target, since crit stomp does 80 damage) and any damage increase, means mauga is more surviveable so long as there are things to shoot at and thing about his guns due to left gun lighting up targets on fire and right gun critting burning targets, he can chew through deployables, including the LW tree, sadly that does not apply to barriers...so long as you don't have ashe or torb to set those on fire
Currently his passive I think has the same problem JQ did on release. It's just not sustaining enough to actually matter much in a fight. And as a slower, bigger target without the same burst damage combos, Mauga naturally takes a lot more damage in a fight than Queen.
@@tau-5794 well you don't really engage just like that you do it under his aura which is a 30% damage reduction and 60% lifesteal for both him and his team that together with his passive results in...the usual stare offs between two maugas where they deal about same damage to eachother that they recover from damaging eachother actually lemme math it out
@@tau-5794 184.275 dps they do to eachother on average (assuming left gun crits about 25% of the time) after including damage reduction from aura 110.565 is the lifesteal per second and 73.71 is the overhealth generation per second so...they...just barely kill eachother, this is all obviously theoretical and just math which doesn't happen cuz other teammates and heals exist but still funny and interesting to know
This was such a great video. Honestly stated everything I thought as well. I def think with some quality of life changes to the character he’s gonna be in a great spot. Unfortunately though he’ll always be gate kept by Ana but I think that’s a good thing.
would be interesting if he also instantly inflicted burn/crit damage if he was lit on fire himself, it would incentivise Ashe, Mauga and Torb to think before using their abilities on him.
I found Dva to be a hardcore counter for mauga, since he’s so reliant on hitting tanks to heal defense matrix starves him of that ability and makes it easy for my team/rockets to shred him. And I actually liked my odds as mauga against sigma quite a bit, especially with a kiriko to suzu me if I got rocked, charge makes it easy to pass his shield without getting rocked and cardiac arrest + passive overhealth means sig can’t do much to me while I focus his squishies. Could just be my experience though.
Yeatle I’ve been subbed on RU-vid to you for years now. Tuned in to you on the Group Up podcast recently as well solely because you were on the panel lol. You’re the only tank player whose takes hold any meaning to me 😅😂 never whining just calling it how it is. I hope you keep making videos like this one man fr the community needs more chill dudes like you 🙏🪲🐹
It's bizarre to see so many skilled players claiming Mauga has the best tank ultimate. As a Support player I can honestly say that Mauga has the most telegraphed and easy to deal with ultimate. I remember the first time Mauga used it I was playing Lucio and I just stepped inside of the cage and pressed sound barrier. If enemies players were forbidden from entering the cage it would be a lot more useful because this would prevent people like Lucio and Zenyatta from simply stepping inside and completely shutting it down. At least with other tanks the ults are more absolute. It's hard to ult if Reinhardt just slammed you on the ground, and if you don't time your ult just right against Sigma or Zarya, it will result in a wipe. With Mauga ... unless the Mauga player is absolutely insane and 100-0s a couple of players in the first 2 seconds, the window of opportunity to completely shut it down is huge.
the mauga won't kill you if you beat in his ult, but his team just might. The thing lasts three times as long as grav und you can combo it with a ton of abilitys. Oh and the cage lasts longer than both zen and lucio ult by 4 seconds. What you should also not underestimate is the strategic value of keeping the enemy team out of the objective. I had a push round where the ultimate stopped 3 enemy players from leaving spawn for 10s, which was easily enough to win the game. Mauga has problems, but his ult isn't one of them.
Additionally, Mauga can headshot horse through fortify, which can really delete her. Same with ball, bastion, or any other hero without a large head hit box
Overwatch can claim all day long that all characters don't have hard counters, well they just made a couple just now with the release of Mauga. Doom, Hog, Ball, Rein, and Winton literally melt to this guy, Mauga just has to spam machine gun them and they're gone it's so one-sided. Doom can't even cancel Mauga's charge with Rocket Punch which is like how do you even go against Mauga at this point, Counter swap? Going up against Mauga is either, Hard counter him from the beginning until he swaps, or counter-swap if he melts you easily. Give Mauga some kind of Overheat Orisa gun nerf, so there are more window opportunities to punish him. And his charge should be countered by Punch, maybe a good hit from Wrecking Ball swing, maybe a counter charge from Rein or Brig stops Mauga's charge. Also if you're playing Doom what do you even do against Mauga's ult? Just play safe and interact from afar if you know he's going to ult? Why is Doom a Tank at this point if he can't survive a tank like Mauga? Punch is basically Doom's primary so taking that away from him in Mauga's ult just makes him an easy kill. Same thing with Winston, what will Winston do if Mauga ults him? Electrocute his Weightlifting balls?
Mauga is a armorless tank with a relatively weak 5 second defensive button on a 15 second cooldown. Purple, dead. Discord, melts. Just getting focused, still dead. Mostly played support _with_ Mauga, and I feel like he just dies when he goes in and he requires a ridiculous amount of support attention. I can see overdrive providing a ton of team sustain in a rush comp, but he himself is still pretty weak. I'd like to see something like, I don't know, a couple hundred temporary armor from charge to give him some buffer when entering similar to ball.
100 bullets on ball would be overkill. more of his power is in the diplacement, boop dmg, slams, and general mobility making him unkillable if played right. mauga doesn't have that.
Yeah most gameplay in general in Overwatch you want to take care of squishies before focusing Tanks, but Mauga's hitbox is so big you can take him down pretty easy from range if he doesn't have pocket healing. If he does have support healing though he's a monster, doing so much damage it's crazy.
I am SHOCKED that you can't shoot the little device in the centre of the ultimate, when I saw his gameplay trailer I shouted how nuts it was, until I saw that device in the middle. Well.... now that we've gotten to play with him. Yeaaaah. (A friend compared it to Zarya's ult and just, no, not even close, it's crazy how much better it is)
Mauga has winston/ball stomp, bastion guns, junker queen auto healing (on criticals), zym shields, hog chain and sombra hack. it only increase the gap in how much doom is nerfed.
The idea about ultimates can be cancelled is stuck in my head. I have played Overwatch since 2018. But I haven't thought about this until you said. Same thing with bodyblocking Wrecking Ball. Every time I face with one of these "features" in the game, my ass is burning down the chair. Also, playing with viewers was fun and exciting. Thanks!
Would like to see spread reduced in general, with maybe slightly less dps. That way certain tank matchups won’t be as polarising, and Mauga can better poke down squishies. Also overrun should definitely set people on fire. That way, you can start gaining overhealth immediately after charging.
Another buff to cardiac overdrive would be that he could still get healed with that through anti heal however he still can't get healed by his teammates unless kiriko cleanses him.
maunga's potential in poke is so slept on. not because he himself is insane at poking but because zero dive heros beat mauga. mauga's whole kit bones dive comps.
I lost it when he said he couldn't show video or it would be animal abuse. Also when he said ana would make any tabk player regret queuing up after finishing their depressive 9-5 job.😂😂😂
Yeah, I was surprised with how weak of a character he is. His kit is awesome in concept, but it feels like if your supports aren’t pumping heals into you, you just feel useless.
The biggest tank counter is Zarya. The bubble cleanses burn and can really mess up his gameplay loop. Kiriko is equally stressful for the same reason, especially mauga v mauga. Zarya is also basically guaranteed to get full charge and use of her bubbles if she rushs down the mauga, as he won't be able to heal himself with a bubble in his face.
I'm not counting zarya to be as consistent of a counter as the others since mauga is one of the few tanks that can just solo her past a bubble. She'll be very reliant on her team in the match up.
I would honestly love to see them do this with every upcoming hero. The ability to get early feedback from the general player base probably does wonders for balance.
I have to say, I thoroughly dislike how high and consistent Mauga's damage output is. The only other tanks that are comparable to him in terms of raw damage output would be Zarya, Roadhog and Junkerqueen - all of whom have a degree of inconsistency to their damage output. Mauga feels like a beefy Sojourn at times, and playing against one Sojourn is hard enough, especially for characters with large hitboxes. I like the concept of the minigun combo, though. I just think he needs a slight damage nerf with his primary and secondary fire. Also his ult is *painful* to play against. I agree with Yeatle's take on removing the movement ability debuff. Hopefully that alongside a damage nerf would stop it feeling so hopeless.
Honestly Left click could ignite on 7 hits, and feel better. Those three extra bullets you would need to land on a dps or support make a ton of difference. So many times they would escape me because I couldn't get the ignite to trigger quick enough. That, or allow the effect trigger to last longer (I.e. more time between shots without losing heat build up)
I would say that the 1.35x fire rate multiplier while shooting both guns should go down by quite a tad, he doesn't need to do 328 dps (about 350-360 with the fire damage) on tanks without hitting any headshots. (Yes, most people didn't realize but there's actually a multiplier when shooting both guns) The disparity of that damage to the about 40-50 dps he does at mid-range considering the missed shots and that it's pretty hard to lit enemies on fire is too large. He should be just a bit more dangerous at mid-range and a lot less at close quarters.
8:00 Actually snipers aren't much of a threat because you're hitscan. If you're headshotting a sniper from range to set them on fire and then right click you heal through most sniper damage pretty well, at least enough to survive before the sniper is forced to back off lest they die
True but I feel like if you can't isolate the angles when there are headshots from multiple snipers moving around is kind of hard, and you need to get in close to be effective, whereas another tank would just have a shield or better mobility.
Nah widows and ashes dominate Mauga at their preferred distance. Even though he is hitscan, at that range he does so little damage and because they have small hitboxes, he misses a lot of shots (similar to bastion turret at range, but way less damage). It even takes a long time to set them on fire, and supports have an easy time keeping the snipers alive. Plus Mauga's head hitbox is the size of Mt Everest Edit: He only gets 4 overhealth per crit, and you aren't getting that much (even if you have your E active) to negate basically any damage being output against you. I played him the entire day he was out and am a tank main, and compared to literally every other tank, he gets headshot the easiest and is deleted by snipers
You underestimate how bad the bullet spread is. If we're talking sniper sightlines like first or third point havana you'd be lucky to get them half health before you're zero.
Amazing video. When I saw his kit I disliked it so much and was worried by the release of Mauga since adding Tank counters in the actual state of the game is not the way to go (saying that as a non Tank player). I hope they get this type of feedback and tune down his tank busting capabilities and amp his squishy killing ones
Tree in a big full team gulag also guarantees the fight stays around the tree, and you can also throw tree into enemy gulags from outside to provide some cover and healing.
His damage output is way too high to be released this way imo. I'm very happy for him to gain some accuracy on his single guns and take a pretty significant damage hit. I haven't seen a single streamer playtesting him that didn't end up with damage numbers 2-4x higher than everyone else in the lobby. Keep his self shielding and self healing numbers the same as they are right now though if the damage is toned back.
i would add zarya to good matchups. You cant shoot her to heal yourself while bubble and even if you ignore her she will still somehow get charge and kill you while u cant fight back. and if u count bubbles and shoot while she has none by the time you igniylte her she can probably already bubble again and get rid of it
He feels like an off tank designed for OW1 and then overbuffed for OW2. Ult like Graviton, charge and brawly but needs shielding. Seems fun but disappointing that he’s Hog 2.0 against Ana and that they listened to tank players complain and then released a tank buster tank.
Overall just very true on all points, his spread makes it so hard to duel any non-tank hero at more than 10m and he gets DESTROYED by some heroes, especially Ana. But in OW2 Ana has been completely broken and I think Mauga highlights very well that she needs a good nerf first and foremost.
I have no problem with 2 guns being inaccurate since the DPS is very high but single fire should 100% be more accurate. Also if he gets caught without his E then Reaper usually feasts on him.
I think this will be another hero that can be used ok at high ranks but will be complete garbage in diamond or lower. Players at those ranks already struggle to stay alive, not feed, use cover and cprovide utility for their team. I envision a super low win rate at lower ranks for him with players just trying to sit in the open and tank and getting melted immediately.
Yep, the Mauga revolving doors on QP during these past days were two extremes of the coin. Either the Mauga is a god (and this is p much all about aim) or they can't stay alive for more than 4 seconda despite having both supports hard pumping them with heals.
Either that or ppl panic and lack the coordination to actually focus him down, and he just gets easy value with W+M1+M2 his super high close range dps.
@@tau-5794 I just don't see him getting close in comp games. In my ranks everyone plays mitigation tanks. So he will walk forward, be blocked for 2 seconds, and in that time be melted by soldier, bastion, sojourn, and the tank. Maybe he has utility in push maps where it's more chaotic but maps where he has to agro and hold the point, no way. He's like doom that way to me. 10% are unstoppable, but 90% of the time it's just throwing.
I played a lot of Zarya against Mauga his weekend and it worked really well. I wouldn't call it a hard counter but it was easy enough to just walk past him and melt his team while he charged my beam for me
I just wish that little hop he did actually let him hup ledges, like it seems worse than just normal jumping despite the animation implying otherwise I know bro got heavy ass machine guns, but he needs to work on his vertical lmao
I got bored of him pretty quickly, cause the main thing you do is press E and go brr for 4 sec from both guns (you r unkillable if you have a target), then hide, cause you instantly go from unkillable to a trapped tracer. Ur healthpool evaporates without E in a blink. Shooting at range 1 gun at a time is fun - if it was impactful, but its usually not. They took a while to burn and then they hide and you have to start over. Charge in usually leads to instadeath. If you charge out - noone to stomp. So yeah, pretty flashy and op at first sight, pretty boring, one-note and trashy if you play him a bit.
His gun lights people on fire but Torbjorn's molten nail launcher doesnt? They are literal red hot railroad spikes. Also, bring back Tier Three Turrets for Torbjorn. Why are they afraid of missiles??
