I think the statement "this won't work against the AI" is situationally true. Sometimes the AI is just deadset on ruining your game. Its super situationally dependant on how close the AI spawns, RNG from disasters etc.
If the deity AI is deadset on ruining your game and spawns close enough to you, nothing will work against them. Getting rushed by five warriors on turn 15, especially on standard game speed, is basically GG on the spot. You can justify going archery before currency if you want to be extra careful and are okay with the loss of tempo, but 90% of the time it wont matter (the AI is either too passive and you don't need the archers or they're too aggressive and you die no matter what). Regardless, there are essentially no situations where opening multiple campuses instead of multiple commercial hubs is optimal, outside of certain district discounting strategies (civs with half-cost campuses like Korea or bonus prod towards districts like Hungary can go 2 campuses -> discount comm hub afterwards and have it be optimal). The biggest myth I saw perpetuated is that there's some dreaded mid-game timing push the AI can go for against you which a campus opener could defend but a commercial hub opener couldn't, and the truth is that there's really no such thing. People also argued in favor of a slinger opener instead of double scout -> double settler opener, but the reality is that you can basically always get away with just delaying the production of a slinger until barbs actually rear their heads and still be fine. Going for a slinger opener actually makes it much harder to hit your first golden age than a double scout opener (since scouts generate a lot of era score), so I honestly believe a slinger opener is far riskier than a scout opener in reality.
@@HersonCiv Agree that the "mid game timing push" is a myth - have never seen deity AI do it (plus AI has zero clue what to do against walls). I disagree with the statement "If the deity AI is deadset on ruining your game and spawns close enough to you nothing will work against them." Usually deity AI will not rush you on turn 15, more like turn 30 if they do decide to declare war on you. Once you first meet the civ you can usually tell if they'll be an aggressive civ. You can usually defend with 2 warriors and 2 archers - you should start building a slinger + warrior with agoge once you meet an aggressive civ, and continue to build archers if they attack you. Yes, it's not min-maxing but you are not racing with other players for the win here - the AI is so bad at mid-late game that as long as you don't get stomped early game, you're practically guaranteed to win.
@@eyeborg3148 this. Truly unwinnable situations are possible, but if there's anything a deity player has over a comp player it's being able to deal with early wars without losing the tempo you need for the midgame. That said, as long as you aren't completely dead it's shockingly easy to make up for lost time
32:02 is exactly what I thought would happen when a Multiplayer plays Deity. You had not yet been traumatised by the excessive power of barbarians on deity. Most Singleplayers would be in alarm mode the instant a scout escaped after scouting you. But you made it through the baptism of fire.
Even worse than barbs is getting forward settled by an aggressive neighbor in deity. Sometimes if you're next to Macedon or Gaul or another aggressive civ, they'll auto denouce you no matter what and it's very likely they end up declaring war on you with not much you can do. With early game deity AI starting with 3 cities, more production, and the combat strength buff early game war can be pretty brutal. The AI is stupid, so you can usually defend without too much trouble, but it takes a lot of resources, significantly slow down your early game development, and you won't be able to snowball the way you can in multiplayer. Other than the early game though, once you reach parity with deity AI singleplayer becomes pretty boring - AI is incompetent at war and at winning.
@@crossfire340 yeh ngl I laughed when he freaked out at 3 horsemen. I've had the barbs send double digits at me before I get my third city out. Usually you gotta trick them with builders popping out or baiting them towards your capital and the slinger brigade.
@joe13squirrel had the same exact thought. Had two barb camps spot me before turn 15 that turned into a war until Medieval era with me sitting inside three other AI's with 2 that declared war on me. I was Cree LOL. This may have been deity but I'd love to see his strats when he is forced to war from Ancient era onward. Whatever I'm doing ain't it and he probably can come up with something better.
@@eyeborg3148 nah bro in the case where the AI irrel wars into you, which I agree can set you back around 20-40 turns (online speed), it still plays out in your favor. Your science production is kept low, you actually accumulate more food (since you're producing units and not settler) You just have to greed out at least 3 cities and 1 economy district somewhere (not frontline) then produce some units constantly in fringe cities + get walls (with 100% production boost card and a chop, preferably a Magnus chop) and get Victor in. The AI will run out of resources at some point and that's when you make the comeback. I trust that around turn 120 you will already be ahead or 2nd in the game
Honestly, these Civ 6 videos are pretty damn helpful in getting a better understanding of the game, not for the sake of winning, but so that I could pump out more cities with dumbass names in multiplayer.
Yeah, but some of them called themselves "the best Civilization 6 players" and claimed they use the optimal strategies, which is not the case in reality. If none of them claimed that and were upfront that they only play for vibes, all would be fine.
@@ThatsNotGouda That's certainly more evil and funny than me just playing America when on TSL, and renaming all the cities to more appropriate names. Fun thing, on one TSL game dynamic ages were enabled, and as I was failing to hit my golden age quota, guess which city was constantly revolting? It was the city stand in for fucking Los Angeles, as they were constantly rioting lmao.
I know you said this will be your last time doing single player, but I really enjoyed how much faster this game seemed to go compared to multiplayer. There was so much less downtime between turns waiting for others to finish that I felt much more engaged
Selling your luxeries in singleplayer is actually quite a good strategy. The ai often offers a ton of gold, which is worth it early game. You will generally also be able to buy them back from another AI for way cheaper than you sold it making a profit.
Of course you should always be selling excess luxuries, but selling your only luxury of one kind is almost never worth it. I mean, if they happen to pay the 10 gpt that they tend to do later on if you have good relations, then it might be worth it very early on when you have very little yields that you'll be losing by going to negative on amenities. But in no world is it worth it to go to negative amenities for like 3 gpt or 60 instant gold or something like that. Might have been tolerable originally when happines changed yields only by 5% per level of happiness, but not now that it's 10%.
Tiny mistake near the beginning : you should wait until you settle your first city before taking a tribal village. Without a city, you can only get eurekas, inspirations, gold and faith, cutting you off from the better rewards: builder, scout, relic and population
@@mmcfarland3215 Did you understand what I said ? I’m talking about delaying for one turn taking the tribal village at the beginning, to have settled the first city before, because a lot of tribal village rewards only work if you have a city settled ( you can’t have a relic of you have no city to put it in), and they usually are better
Hi Herson, I am one of the many "Herson glazers" that got inspiredto join cpl by you. I am intrested in playing some teamer games (like 2v2 or 5v5). Have you considered making a video on these kind of games or is FFA more your area of expertise? Love your videos and have a nice weekend!
We are rapidly approaching the point where I'll have to start mixing in some teamers content, but for now I still have a couple of ideas for FFA that I'll be finishing first. There aren't any content creators making high-quality edited guides/recaps for Teamers, but there are some great streamers - Tryndaehre on Twitch is the strongest English-speaking streamer who regularly plays Teamers, and you can see a lot of exotic build orders that wouldn't work in an FFA environment there. Certain builds that are great in Teamers don't work particularly well in FFA, usually because they prioritize killing someone fast rather than scaling into the late-game, or because they rely on being funneled gold by teammates, or sometimes both.
I'd love to see some team content! I find teams easier to watch because there is less to keep track of (2-4 team strategies instead of 8 individual ones)
Man I love to see that apparently there is a hype around multiplayer. I found your channel a few days ago and was blown away by these strategies. Never played Multiplayer but started because of you. Pls keep the good content up
the ai is so pathetic at trading, if you play it right you can basically steal all the ais economies for essentially nothing. I don't know why they never really fixed the free diplo favor thing
I used to be in the CPL's admin staff a long time ago - and we often discussed trying to make videos or content for helping newer players into the MP scene. Even though I've long since parted ways with the community, I'm beyond happy to see that passion still growing there and hearing the community is thriving still - long standing as it is. Hopefully you all continue on in Civ 7 :) thumb up'd and sub'd. Love the content, and thank you for what you and other content creators do.
The reason for this video ending is probably one of the biggest problems I have playing Civ 6 these days - the "well I've basically won, time to just burn time for the next 100 turns" state. The notion of basically turning off the game at that point doesn't feel great - you don't "win" you just get bored before the win is officially completed. And the multiplayer answer to this is even *worse*, in my opinion because it's extremely anti-climactic and utilitarian - concede votes are so bland! I don't know if there's an answer to this with this kind of game or not, but this game just reminded me of that. It's no wonder single player creators have iterated on their process in order to find *some* way to make a game more entertaining by sandbagging. I have on occasion put an FFA VOD up to take a nap because I know I can drift off while watching it and there won't be any crazy/explosive plays. Everyone will grind and sim and after enough turns people will see one player's score is 50% higher than everyone else's and vote to concede the game.
There are two ways to mitigate this problem. You need anti-snowballing mechanics, and also comeback mechanics. Civ6 actually has both of these, but they're sadly not strong enough. For example, the fact that districts become more expensive the more techs you unlock is an anti-snowball mechanic. Its purpose is to slow down players who are massively ahead in science, by punishing them in terms of production. This then gives other players a chance to catch up. The problem is that you can get such disgusting levels of production that the minor punishment barely matters in the mid to late game. Spies are a good example of an intended comeback mechanic. Being able to steal techs from players who are ahead of you to close the gap between the two of you is great for getting back into the game. Unfortunately spies are in general not good enough to really make a comeback with this mechanic. If Civ6 strengthened its comeback and anti-snowball mechanics, you wouldn't have people just running away with the game.
In mp, late game at least has some point. In sp, I feel exactly as you do. At a certain point (on immortal) I've set everything up and victory is assured, the rest is just clicking with no meaningful decisions. I've been wondering what it would take for me to have any interest in late game Civ (or 4x in general) to no avail.
@@_DaemonCleaner what I usually do when playing sp practice is to try to beat the victory by the fewest number of turns possible. Then I will always minmax everything till the very end. Get to tryndaehre and watch his t96 science victory for an inspiration. It is very hard to make that happen ;)
Game is 7 years old and, on its way, out. What do you expect lol? Maybe when Herson starts making Civ 7 videos he will get over 100k. If he concentrated on Single Player content, he would probably make more money if that were his goal.
because ai plays an entirely different game than the player. they get bonusses left right and center to every stat. its like an average/amateur player plays with 10x gains against a pro player (numbers are made up)
@@ollllj thats why you play multiplayer; civ 6 multiplayer has literally more replayability than any game ; the gameplay loop is just too massive with so many situations and possibilities
One thing single player has over you is Ui mods. Honestly abit painful to see you ‘struggle’ without them. There is quick deals, build charge indicators, seeing the worked tiles by hovering over, trade route summary (incl all possible routes), amenity summary. There are so many QOL things you miss out on.
Thank you for making the content that you do. It benefits people like me who are learning the game and navigating the different progressions. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and your hard work to get it to us here on YT.
Herson you have upped my game as someone who plays public lobby FFA's in a competitive nature. I have recently won multiple lobbies with Japan and Brazil going commercial strat. It is so much fun. Thank you for demystifying the game for people like me.
You pointed at that Warlord's Throne is active for 5 turns whatever the game speed. That's kind of insane really, this makes it good on Online speed and absolutely garbage on Marathon. I never realised this before! (though I only play on Standard). Come on, Firaxis...
I think the argument for anything war related is that because warfare happens at same pace regardless of game speed, also the bonuses related to warfare should last equally long on every speed. In theory, you can't really capture cities any faster on Online than on Standard, so a bonus gained from capturing a city should also last the same amount of time regardless of game speed. But in reality it's much better on faster speeds. Same applies to all the abilities that give some yield bonus from war declaration, like John Curtin, Robert the Bruce, and Tamar's former ability.
I gotta say the experience on multiplayer made me appreciate some civs I'd never even considered playing, I'm a big time Tokugawa fan because of it and I have multiplayer to thank for it.
The difference between Singleplayers and Multiplayers is that Single players will optimize to a point where they win comfortably. An extra two archers for defense, get crossbowman earlier with campuses. Multiplayers push those wins to minimum value expended possible without losing anything.
I'm new to your channel due to your recent popular videos, and enjoyed the speed you were playing at in this video. However, if you could explain your thought processes or strategy/reasoning behind some of the things you're building or not building, techs you're pursuing, and what you're prioritizing at different points it would really help me out as someone who has not many hours in civ6. It may be that in your other videos you've said those kinds of things before, but repeating information and strategy is helpful to reinforce learning, which is the main reason I'm interested in watching you. I can tell you have experience and expertise and I love to watch and learn from people like you.
Here's what I learned, if you get room to expand to eight or nine cities unmolested by the AI, and you're not at war until turn 148 with a computer player until turn 148, and then it's your decision to go to war, you can do REAL GOOD. I'd like to see a more typical game where by around to 50 at least one AI is attacking you like a rabid junkyard dog. I think this start was so atypical it was hard to evaluate it, although I'm certainly going to try it.
I play by myself only on deity - when I do play multiplayer occasionally with friends it feels so relaxing I was wondering when the game was gonna spawn a barb army on you. The AI will never let you cook early game - the whole game is against you
Had someone comment about your multiplayer 101 being basically my single player strategy more or less. So with that I will say 100% your strategy will work on single player without problems.
@@penknight8532 nope. Regular game settings. I play with the goal of winning as fast as possible. No big surprise but the actual best strategy to win single player is pretty close to the same strategy as multiplayer.
Most of the time online strategies will work even better in SP. The few times when they don't. they are either: a) Using the fact that the human is smart (alliances/trade/stealing) b) Abusing human psychology (for example humans are very bad at sacrificing pieces in chess)
also in a deity game wars are common, while in a mid to high level FFA game early war isn't common because it sets back both players vs the rest of the lobby
You did just what I expected from someone that never plays single player but knows the game extremely well. Played a relatively clean opener but underestimating the real threat in the barbarians. You did get lucky losing only a scout instead of your second city and the trader which definitely does happen a bunch if you're running no early units at all. The biggest thing that I like is how hopefully finally the knowledge that early game culture is vital and science is a luxury stat is getting spread a bit more among the wider community.
You made a small mistake in the early game (nerd face). It was pretty obvious that the best pantheon is God of The Open Sky (+1 culture on pastures), so buying a builder and getting those 3 pastures would yield 3 culture, 3 prod and 1.5 housing, instead of the 2 culture monument (ik that the next builder would be more expensive but its still worth it imo). Well done on the channel, I started watching a few weeks ago and I knew immediately that you will pop off. keep it up!
That would have required teching for animal husbandry, which would have delayed commercials and made them more expensive production wise. Not necessarily a bad play, but he would have had to commit sooner than just the turn he chose to buy the monument instead.
I've been watching cpl games for a while. Generally cpl guys only go animal husbandry for temple of Artemis rush or to make tiles better. Sometimes you'll see early builder strats, but going monument first in new cities is the more common play. Culture is king until around turn 45 50 when you should have fuedalism and can start focusing on science online speed. Culture is really important early game and herson does a really good job of explaining why in his tutorials
So i haven't thought about civ 6 in over 4 years, but saw that 101 guide and just decided to out eco a couple mates in mp this weekend, ones that always try optimise rushing tech. Worked out great, So thanks for atleast showing me how to get better at civ. I still seem to be behind schedule compared to that video, Only having 3, maybe 4 cities by turn 30 type of deal. But that's ok, practice and minor improvents here and there. But the reach on that video definitely went further than just the youtube civ communities.
The most important thing I have realised is that at the beginning of the game, food, production, gold/ Faith is much more important. That's why the civ with bonus economy is so strong in PVP. Cause science or cultrue can't turn into food, prod or military strength. But gold and faith can turn into food, prod, science, entertainment, and military strength immediately. These things can even recruit great people. That's why we should focus on gold or faith at the beginning. Cause the diffence between 40 sci or 60 sci is only having key tech unlock faster 1 or 2 turn. But the diffrence bewteen 40 gold per turn and 60 gold per turn is enough to decide the game's winner.
I actually just tried this myself having found your video about competitive Civ 6 a few days ago. I did play on Deity, with BBG and BBM mods in but nothing else (online speed), otherwise a completely vanilla game. I left my civ random and drew Hojo Tokimune. I just launched my Earth Satellite on turn 99 and I am CRUSHING the deity AI. 600+ science per turn and the next best is 370 (also top culture btw). It seems the only primary difference between online and Deity AI is that the AI is much more likely to take you to war early.
your video made perfect sense. another advantage of building commercial districts and industrial zones is the AI doesn't do it and you can get great people easier, they are always competing for great scientists
I wrote comment in the original guide video asking about if that strat could work in single and speculating that it wont work at the same level as it works in multi becouse ai starts with a massive army after I wrote that I did give it a try and I must say it works like a charm just likw the multi the probably biggest diffrence that you should be doing from the general multiplayer strategy is that yoy should be making more early game units for defence and thats it
Please consider doing this again but with BBG! Personally the pacing is a lot more enjoyable than multiplayer as there’s much less downtime. I know it’s probably not as fun as multi but it can still be very informative for both kinds of players. You could even do it on online speed or quick if you want. Love the content!
you can get temple of artemis almost 100% of the time verse AI. coliseum is also reliable if you rush it. if you have a pretty godly culture spawn, you can sometimes get oracle. there's an outside chance you can get artemis, coliseum, and oracle in your capitol. you'd likely want to start artemis, switch to and finish oracle, start coliseum, finish artemis, finish coliseum. wonder reminder enhanced would be highly recommended, so you can see if the AI is pushing any of the wonders. canada's a good option to try for the trifecta, since you get godly camp yields and don't have to worry about being attacked by other civs. artemis and coliseum should both be reliable if you rush them. disable barbarians if you'd like for a little more opportunity with any civ. you'll probably be pretty behind in city quantity if you do this, that's your big tradeoff. outside of these three, great lighthouse, colossus, petra, and mausoleum are all relatively reliable given your spawn/build order is appropriate. edit: hanging gardens is often available, too, but i'd only build it for era score mostly.
I have only seen one Twitch streamer who actually goes for optimization, but he does reload a lot. Then again, his approach gets him sub-180 victories on Standard even without reloads, so going for optimization over what seems like what would be good for the game does make for better play. It all depends on what you consider to be optimal
I watched a couple of multiplayer videos of yours, didn't know what mods you were using or what difficulty it was set to.. It seems like everything was overpowered extra production bonuses from builders, reduced building times, crazy pantheons etc.. Also almost no barbs ever.. Watching you play unmodded, I just thought to myself, yep this is more like my experience of Civ... Not saying you aren't skilled, but the no hyper ott start, followed by 31.50 'OMG! What is this? As three barb horsemen rock up out of the fog.. made me chuckle
Isn't selecting Abundant Resources/Srategics used in multiplayer to speed the game up on top of using online speed? Why select these options when playing Deity..? Same with selecting New for World Age..
Can you please do a Poundmaker Civ spotlight? I’ve seen a lot of people dominate with him and get a ton of science despite the fact that he has absolutely no science bonus at all whatsoever. The previous multiplayer science victory record was even set with him. If you do, I will thank you in advance now.
As for pace, I'd shoot for 100 science 100 culture by turn 100. A turn 200 win is very good, but usually requires a great spawn, good civ and a ton of trade deal min-maxing. I'd still say your pace was good, as your prod econ was really strong. I'm curious what it'd look like if you did play with mods, but I wouldn't force you to play another full game for that.
@herson I love your videos! I was wondering / hoping you could make a video on chopping. I understand it better now and would always chop on forest hills and where districts would be placed, but it seems you utilize them MUCH more than I ever thought to do. Maybe it because of the online speed? Arent lubber camps really good on flat ground? Anyways, would really love a video exploring all this more. Love the content, keep it up!
One big thing is to save most of your chops till you get Feudalism... it's a huge difference. If you really want to micro it, you have to tour Magnus around to all your cities as you chop the map down. If you go over to Civfanatics Forum, Victoria has a pinned guide on it. Very Detailed. Chopping out more builders with your last chop is a thing too. And if you have faith generation and monumentality... even better.
My favorite part of this video is when I learned that you can put any card in the wildcard slot. I'm going to take a wild guess that that's why they call it the wildcard slot. Duh, winning!
I know you said you're never doing single player again, but I thought this was a great video, and seeing how it's the 2nd most popular video you've put out, I think a lot of others agree with me.
It was interesting to see a way the BBG mod makes the early game meta work better, with no negative amenities from low pop cities. Vanilla seems to encourage you to build builders or slow down expanding. It's still not optimal to stop making settlers and start flooding builders of course, but it's interesting how the game tries to dissuade you from optimal play.
I checked out of Civ VI long ago after my favourite used-to-be-Civ creator, FilthyRobot, ditched the game, but your video about Civ VI multiplayer fundamental picked my interest since ever since watching competitive Civ V I got rid of the notion that playing Civ in SP, as entertaining as it is, is anything remotely close to being optimal. Beating the "AI", which historically was always an idiot given a lot of free cash in various forms, doesn't require some intricate and wholly different skillset incomprehensible to a player that needs to beat an actual human player who wants to beat them with an actual brain in their skull. I get that people like to think that they beat Deity regularly or always, and they want to lull themselves into thinking that they're "as good as they can be" at the game, and multiplayer is "a whole other game" and their skill is valid. So by protesting against the observable fact that a multiplayer Civ player easily smokes SP content creators they are trying to protect their own egos. I haven't played a single turn of MP Civ in my life, and I just accept the fact that if my aim was to get good at Civ the way to do it would be to try to play multi on a decent level, and if I just play Civ like I used to - so, as a source of my leisure after work - I'll be pretty awful at it, no matter how handily I can manage AI. And it's pretty logical that fundamentals of MP optimal play will also translate to SP success because at the end of the day Civ is a large engine building board game so of course engine creation strategies used to beat a good player (human) without head start will work against a really bad player (AI) that was given head start.
@@penknight8532 yeah, changed the game for better balance so more civs are viable to win. If the games are so "different" then clearly MP must be the harder game since the MP player mops the floor with SP players when having a weak start. If playing that different game of MP makes you so much stronger in that game of SP Civ, then the only conclusion can be that the MP environment requires more tactical and strategic skill. Of course they're not different games. Balance or not (in this very video the euthor turns it off, thats the point of it), the principles and mechanics are the same. The focal point is "do you prioritize campuses because of 'science is king' zinger" like SP content creators do or "do you prioritize commercial districts", like apparently the MP meta is. And you just can see the winning strategy in both is the same "two different games" is the cope this video is directly tackling
Atleast PMW doesn't go into dark ages, and honestly, it seemed you struggled all the way. On the other hand its good to see a "pro" with a little struggle and how you reacted to it shows the casual players how a deity game usually goes. Overall, gg.
Great Video and I would love to see more of these Deity SP run-throughs but you proved that your Single Player Strategies need work. You didn't abuse the AI Trade at all in the early game. You can buy up 20 Diplo Points for 1 gold and sell them back later for massive gold. You crushed the game but the pros over on Civfanatics beat SP Standard/Standard Deity by around turn 90 to 160 depending on map/civ. That's actually getting to the Victory Screen. The game is completely different compared to the MP/BBG/CPL games but that doesn't mean that MP Strategy won't beat Deity AI. You had better than average starting land. Try it when you got horrible plains/grass tiles mixed in with tundra and no hills. You got a bit lucky that the Barbs only brought 3 horsey :) ... I didn't even see you abuse any of the Science Overflow.
I had THE perfect Deity game as Gaul a few days back. Had my fourth city down, everything lined up, timing perfect, scouts finding all of the right things, perfect city placements, etc. I finally destroy and invading barb camp, to find TWO MORE CAMPS sending horseman at me. Rip.
This is pretty cool, and overall I wish I found your vids sooner - maybe I would like 6 more if I did. Do you plan on doing videos on builds instead of general strategies? For example - I loved playing Morroco in 5 and using all of its abilities, wonders and policies to become rich and then buy every plane I want and win. Big Ben was the best! But I can't seem to figure out anything in similar vein, even outside of money. I also struggle managing more then 4 cities. It would be cool to know how you keep up - though I would assume having a build helps. EDIT: Like the Stonehenge video! That one was the stuff.
virgin ai exploiter vs chad ai luxury buyer also i know you said this would be your last ai game, but i would love to see how you would play against ai in online speed.
I would have liked to see how fast you would have gotten a science victory. Boes can consistently get them by turn 200, and faster much of the time. I think you were on track for turn 200, but it is hard to know
That's nothing... the real pros can get them before turn 150 and even under turn 100 on some maps. Boes usually playing with those stupid societies and monopolies.
it's funny that the devs focus mainly on singleplayer but at the same time the player can't completely experience great wonders or great people because of the amount of bonuses the ai gets.
I dont know how you didnt get war dec'd before turn 30. In my last 6 deity games, ive been slapped with wars each time and makes any strat iv see learned from you impossible. Would love to see an early war game before you get your 3rd city down,
Yeah honestly, i tried this strategy and got crushed before turn 30 four times in a row, and the fifth game I didn't get warred on so I got a bunch of cities and dominated. I think it does rely pretty heavily on players being about equal strength, but with deity ai their militaries are just too strong and youll never get a wonder
@chiko4536 I don't really think I'd call it a strategy as more of a mindset of what's best in the game. Herson is spot on about the most optimal things to go for in this game. I just don't think you can do this with war on the menu. I'd love to see some strategy videos on doing early war, but multi-player FFA is not about that at all.
When i Played my first deity games i had the same issue but i found 2 pretty easy solutions for it . -Whenever you meet a new civ decline if they wanna share informations between youre citys and decline when they wanna visit your city (after the cutscene) only accept if they invite you to their city(Free information) AI cant declare war on you as long as they dont know where you are -the same turn you Meet a civ you HAVE TO send Delegations to them! If you do it a turn later they will probably decline youre offer. If they accept it gives you a nice boost in sympathy which should prevent them from hating you immediatly . I hope that helps 😄
I tried repeating this strat but somewhere along the way I was turn 150 with stats you have at 100. I feel like I optimized everything. Even builder charges and serfdom. I have so much to learn 😩
The feeling you get from strange/cruel feedback is mutual. I got people telling me my mods are overpowered without telling me the reason. The last tidbit of feedback I got was that Dacia gets too much combat strength if the player gets Himiko. Why do modders have to account for Himiko? The world wonders.
playing civ 6 at 3am, what a mood btw i was playing with my friend and we tried to load a previous file, and the game bugs out, the one joining cannot do anything and when ending the turn, the game just start reloading, after the reload the game crash with a stack access error, would you know anything about that ?
Little disappointing to not see herson square off against an aggressive early ai deity war, but herson definitely knows how to be flexible with his game play. Can't win in a cpl lobby if you can't early war or adjust on the go
I started playing multiplayer recently and thing that I most struggle with is how lobby works in this game. Wtf is going on with this ping check, rejoining, how is this possible to join 5/6 lobby and there is 2 players and all the sudden I am the host? How do I rejoin game allready started? It really feels like 19th century's game would work. I am really lost sometimes. Guide on that would break the algorithm! Also love your videos, keep it up!
Hi herson, i know you have some videos on religious civs (khmer, russia, saladin) but you didn't give much insight on domination-religious civs (basil ii, jadwiga). I've seen them actually being quite decent in teamers because of their potential for medieval warfare once they unlock grandmaster's chapel, but are they viable in FFA? If so, how should you play them? Are you planning on making a video on them?
@Herson, wouldn't it be better to go Pingala for the extra culture in vanilla civ 6 instead of the +2 food on internal trade routes from magnus? That way you get to feudalism faster.
Has a civilization five player who has done a fair share of multiplayer almost one tournament, I think I might have to start playing civilization six. multiplayer is always fun and especially since six doesn’t have such poor performance like civ five I might have to start
Yeah my friend always kicked my ass in civ cuz I had 78 hours and he played on switch for who knows how long and upon me buying it for a friend group he was undoubtedly the best, always played deity and stuff while I was afraid to step past emperor. I found these vids and I was so shocked with how much info about scaling and such I just wasnt aware of.
Not every Deity player is playing casually, look at Soger for example. But it is definitely less entertaining without the aspect of competing with other people
Casual is just relative to competitive players. He may be trying hard at deity but he would get destroyed by any actual multi-player competitive player
@@you741sings no he wouldn't. I never played MP and my first time playing was neck and neck, i would have won except that paititi spawn by opponent finally was too much
I've never played multi player. But on single player I beat deity easy. If I play multi player should I go into a novice lobby? What level in multi is equivalent to deity?
Too bad the discord require to link Steam account and to activate displays game to be on, else I would have given it a try (although I think I understand why that is a requirement)
Wow bro you legit played a raw gruesome deity game lmao. You make alot of decisions I do except I just don't know how to bee line for great people, I don't understand how to combo the wonders, keep up with amenities bur I'm kinda a noob. Hell I don't even remember what half the civ tree is lol. I can win some emporer games with like 3 or 3 civs though so I know I'm not dog water. But dude people like you are a godsend
Why are trade routes taking so few turns? It's showing 4 turns. I don't see anything less than 24 turns in my games even for 4 tiles trade routes. Is it a mod?
