I broke this game to its limits - EVEN MORE | Dungeon Clawler 

We can now officially say it's broken. How many heart attacks did you have while watching this? Sorry for the "Like" begging, with daily uploads long videos like these are really tough to make. For reference, I started recording at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1046">17:26</a> (<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="326">5:26</a> PM) and now I'll go to sleep at 9 AM (6+ hour recording + editing + thumbnail + revision). So any help for the algo is appreciated :)

I feel like being defeated by overflow is a valid way of proving that you've maxed out the capability of a particular tactic. Nicely played!

When the bitoverflow is your worst enemy

I never though I'd still see a game with the integer overflow bug that then gets solved by rolling back to zero in this day and age. That's a breath of fresh air... and by fresh I mean moist, mouldy and meningiting.

its not "can we brake the game" its "how fast can we break it" enemy this time: integer overflow

Basicaly, you reached the 32 bit intiger limit. That is a bit more than 2.147 billion and if your poision goes over that then itt will become -2.147 billion and it will start counting up, so that’s why the enemies survived sometimes

the poison value has a max value of about 2.14Billion unlike HP or money which can go infinite. poison has a integer limit Had this a few times myself, where it hits the limit, then overflows back to 0

Looks like they used signed 32 bit integers for the poison stacks. And it checks if the poison value is larger than some certain number to prevent the overflow, but they probably counted the poison flask to only ever double the value so in some cases you can get rollover to a negative value. It then resets that negative value to 0 or 1 stacks before processing the next item. Could probably just solve it by using a 128 bit unsigned and pretend there's no such thing as integer overflow, if someone manages to hit 3.4 * 10³⁸ poison stacks then they probably need to take a break from the game anyway.

I was thinking about how you could do this type of run with recycling bins. the bins only remove themselves when you use them and refresh into the pile when taken from another bin so you can stack bins on top of bins indefinitely with increasing damage on every skipped turn

The idea of damage not doing anything because it overflowed is pretty funny, imagine that in real life: Dies to getting shot with a gun but walks away unscratched from the moon crashing into the earth because its too destructive.

Fluff is only considered an item if it is burning fluff or poison fluff but that doesn't matter towards hoarder because fluff is only added to machine as regular fluff

Thanks for all the uploads on this game!

RU-vidrs: I do not know, if I can win this. Dex: If my scientific calculations are correct, I should be able to deal with this.

Great video I love it Leaving one for the algorithm for you

Finally got an integer overflow stop, nice!

Congrats! You’ve hit integer overflow!

"Double it and give it to the next person" moment

Great video Dex :)

Poison Grenade + Poison Flask only run would be nuts with the poison perks

"81,000! That's by far the most...". Meanwhile it says 300,000.

Cannot wait for the full release of this game.

I liked before I watched because game breaking is always good with Dex.

Keep the grind going bro love the video ❤❤

gotta love integer overflows

2147483647 is a top limit of a Java Numeric variable value. So poison counter can't keep more than that value xD

Vampire Fangs stack really nicely with Dolly. She heals every time she does damage, including to herself, so eventually it gets to where she heals herself for more than she hurts herself, unless you're using the Dark Sword.

what i also broken is clawcula when you do the health increase by amount of gold , strength boost when ever you take dmg, healing when you take dmg, everything gives poison, poison transfers when creature dies, do damage with every dodge, add a item whenever you take damage, do damage for every item added after the first round and it all just infinitely stacks because my healing when getting damage is higher then the damage that i put out so even reflect does not work unless i get killed in 1 hit somehow

I had the exact same idea as you after the strength run. I was like "I should do this but with poison" I made a character and went "eh maybe later" I like the game but not enough to play it

new game... every time dex says "how much?" you take a shot....dont die people may the luck be ever in your favor.

Ah the integer limit. How beautiful.

Interesting that some player-facing values are floats and some are integers.

Commenting for the algorithm (and for your dedication to content) Corn flakes.

I finally got a good run with Bernie using (as of floor 23) 4 vampire-3 poison-6 pincushion-5 hoarder-5 junkjet and also got 7 golden armor (and some others, and i did use reloading for better rewards, but those are the main ones I stacked) For some extra context, i had more hp than the boss, would heal on my turn due to vampire-hoarder-junk jet, and would heal when i get hit thanks to vampire-pin cushion, and would heal on the enemies' start turn thanks to poison-vampire. I could even afk a boss fight

Gotta love integer logarithmic sum overflowed poison. It's maxed out at 2^64-1 so you only need 63 potions starting at 2 poison stacks to max it out and not overflow. It's 64 because multiplication makes it becomes long integer. If this game had bignum or pynum, it can have no limit.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2231">37:11</a> I think it hit the 32 bit integer limit, and because of that, any sort of multiplicative elements are nullified since if they were applied, the system could not handle it

How i Can get the Access to early access for the game ????

I would just remind everyone that since the potions triple the value it's hard to say if the integer is signed or unsigned. Also since it sometimes overflowed and sometimes didn't there are more conditions that are at play. There's obviously some amount of overflow checking going on with the potions but not enough. With the overflow it always seemed to be fine and the count started from zero for all the subsequent stacks then that would point more towards unsigned integer.

I kinda feel like the dev should cap the poison and make any extra poison deal immediate damage, or turn a certain amount of poison into toxic to “compress” the poison.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2237">37:17</a> welp, you hit the integer limit of the game. It physically cannot display a number larger than that with the code literally dissolving as a result.

The maximum value of a 32bit, signed integer is 2,147,483,647. It is save to say your doubling is running into that limit. Given you have x3 potions and every x2 is like a whole bitshift, it doesn't even take much to reach it.

How do you skip your turn?

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2243">37:23</a> that’s the max number any game can go to

What if you get more than 20 “bargain”? Will it give you gold for rolling?

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2310">38:30</a> crazy you hit stack over flow with poison as iv never hit it with the gold dagger strat.

I think you needed to swap the ratio of blades and poison, smaller items take longer to fill the board up but easier to grab and deal more poison

bro changed the game from claw mashine to bulldozer without mods

living on the edge

Push it to the limit~!

I like the idea of nothing but the poison potions but filling the machine with them would take forever, prob better to get fluff at that point. (fluff is always put in first)

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the slap sound at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="206">3:26</a> XD

Long time watcher first time commenting on amazing videos! Keep it up! Posion🧪

@dex you should know that the text in the Events are different one stands for the poison potion ("the Air feels moinst and warm") and one for the healing Flask.

TBH good on the dev I guess, for making it handle integer overflow gracefully, even if it is annoying. Plenty of games just corrupt and then crash lol.

I can in fact confirm that fluff doesn't count towards the item cap

Good old overflows.

Starting this run, I’m eagerly watching hoping you’ll get 21 bargains and see if you’ll get paid.

him "how much is that" Me "Death"

How can u finish it if it hasn't been up 20 mins.....

I am surprised you never tried to stack vamp fangs for this run, could have totally made the run last longer and reduce the stress in the early game

I don't know if it still works with the new updates, but there was a little bit of a cheat like way to play, if you don't like the enemies you get you could back out, and try again and it'd randomize the enemies. After so many times of doin git though you'd always get the same enemy over and over, so doing it to much could end up hurting you instead.

Integer overflow feelsbadman

You should reach out to the developer and ask him if he can add commas to the damage tooltip or even all numbers so it doesn't look as much like an amalgamation.

Weaklings 4 times?

Maybe with the saves you could acces them in the files and store then somewere else

Nice gamebreak 😎 So much poison, they get immune 🤣

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2150">35:50</a> an item likely clipped out of bounds (and so happen to be on the right side / bottom right side so it hit him. I've had all my items with magnets fly up and to the left and just be gone off screen and i was left with nothing to grab with the claw. (restarted the fight to fix it)

I have never played the game and only watched a few videos but I cannot understand why anyone would not want more fluff if they have the hand of midas and magnets. Just more coins with effectively no downsides.

Just because you seemed confused when to get them Pond water is poisonous potion Spring water is healing flask

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2234">37:14</a> Looks like the limit is at 1.96 billion.

wieder mal sehr stark

The limit you're hitting here is 2^31, around 2.1 Billion, which is the limit of a 32 bit signed integer. Also if you do run out of save slots, you might just be able to find the save folder on your pc and just copy them somewhere else for safekeeping later

106222940 poison damage at<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2119">35:19</a>. Pretty sure you explained it earlier but I wonder what a poison dagger, poison contagion, poison damage, magnet and poison flask run would look like.

you hit integer overflow with poison

overflow the poison number so you go from super high to 1.

The world if we had Float/Double values:

And thats why you dont use raw (integer) as variables but actuall number objects - with overroll protection etc... -.-

I think you were hitting the string count limit, and that is why you had the issues with poison counters at the end. I am no expert, but I believe that is what was happening.

think you went a bit too extreme with this 😭

To be honest what you created there isn't a poison build at this point... But a damn Bioweapon build

literally stack overflow

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2220">37:00</a> i think the game can only calc the poison up to 2,147,483,648 which is common for numbers games that aren't suppose to even reach maybe about 1,000,000

Regarding Bargain, I believe it may actually be possible to go into the negatives and gain money from rerolling. I think the reason it didn't work last time when you got 21 bargains is because the first reroll costs 2 gold, Meaning you will need 30. 20 to make rerolling free, and another 10 (-50%) to overcome 1 gold, and then it will stack from there as the reroll "cost" increases. I can't imagine it being that useful though, because when you're that late in the game, money becomes pretty worthless. It could be insane for stacking golden armor, though!

@<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="580">9:40</a> there is your weapon, the great swARD 10 dmg to all, i think it was 15 or 20 to all after upgrade

1 billion damage 😳 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2190">36:30</a>

When it hits 1,000,000,000 it resets back to 0 i guess it only has the 9 didgets to display so over that rolls back to 0

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2235">37:15</a> What!!!!!! Poison is capped at two billion!? Outrageous!!!!!!!

I mean, how else could you be stopped, right? 🤣

I love your laugh

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the problem with the poison is they are not atk or its count as debuff and the dmg done while enemy is attacking, while your other run was attacking, I mean like if the game cannot go beyond 32bit integer limit like 2.14 billion in debuff scenario that means the value on debuff go minus and try to resolve with another integer limit itself so then it go 0, thats maybe why they reset the poison stack back to normal again.

it got soo high, it reset the value

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<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2119">35:19</a> 106.22 Million became 316 Million Dex <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2189">36:29</a> 1.14 Billion damage here <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2243">37:23</a> I'm guessing 2 Billion or 3 Billion is the max poison stack possible, as 1.955 would double over it.

infinite fluff run?

I think this means you have to play Balatro.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2214">36:54</a> Come on it's 1.9 billion

We love numerical overflow, that means you've won the game, right?

OK Edit: The following is pretty useless information or request, because you pretty much for sure hit the integer limit. It's at 2,147,483,647 for a classic/typically used int as stated below and at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2325">38:45</a> you noticed the poison going back to 0 again. You before had 824399010 Poison. That times 3 is 2.473.197.030 so 'just' out of the range of an integer. But I can't quite explain why it sometimes suddenly stop and don't just go to 0. But it has most likely also to do with the integer limit, I guess. But anyways, maybe you're still interested in what I wrote before :) What I wrote before: You should try to reach the integer limit with one number and see what happens. Maybe it's already what you done with the posion not going up, but the limit is "In a 32-bit system, the integer limit is 2,147,483,647 (2^31-1) for signed integers and 4,294,967,295 (2^32-1) for unsigned integers. In a 64-bit system, the integer limit is 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 (2^63-1) for signed integers and 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 (2^64-1) for unsigned integers.". Depending on what they used, you probably hit the limit for 32-bit (signed or not signed), but most likely not for the 64-bit one haha They could also have used long ints (basically just larger integers), but I don't see a reason in that. Anyways, another really good video. Enjoyed it very much!

imo that build would've been faster if you had grenades in your tank too