I do this live off the floor stuff all the time. Mostly hardcore/grindcore/d-beat bands, as the metal bands prefer to go track by track. Cool to see you doing some as well. I have quite a smaller room so it's almost a fun engineering test to prevent bleed with live guitar amps etc in the room. It can kind of add a noisy chaos to some of the tracks which I always like.
I think it only makes sense to get back to recording "Live Off the Floor" again, with most recordings these days sounding so perfectly snapped to the grid. We need fluctuations and groove in songs again! 🤘
No Turning Back are not a metal band there a hardcore band and it’s pretty common for hardcore bands to record live. I’ve done it with pretty much every band I’ve been in. You just get in there and get it done in one day.
As someone in a metal band I approve. I recorded once with a guy that wouldn't let us do it this way and it made it way harder. I tried to get him to let us record one playthrough of the songs to use as a track to play to but nope he wouldn't do it. He also didn't make any click tracks so recording everyone individually and keeping time was a pain!
My metal band does our recordings live off the floor as well. Drum kit with a full compliment of mics. Both guitars/tube amps direct with torpedos/IRs. Bass amp goes into a dark glass profile from TH-U. Pump it all into the DAW with headphones out to everyone. Only thing you hear in the room is the drummer giving the kit a beat down. Two 8 channel Claretts adat'ed together, headphones pre, two rack torpedos, Furman, computer, some headphones, and you're off and running.
Wow those room mics really added something special! I am inspired by this and must try to record like this again. I have done live recordings but never had room mics on anything else than the drums. They make drums sound huge so why wouldn't they do the same on the entire band.
I'm a live engineer. I do recording live a lot. I like the challenge of it and mixing the tracks later. The main goal of course is that the live performance sounds as good as it can, which also helps recordings sound as good as they can.
The real takeaway that people should start understanding is that any way is a valid approach. With all of the tools available these days you can take anything and make it sound good. On some levels it’s easier to get a good recording with DI tracks and programmed drums, some times it’s easier for the artists to perform as a band. The most important thing is to get solid performances. Listen to your favorite albums, the performance is the most important part.
My band just recorded our 7 song EP live. We all ran a click and basic mix to our ears. We were in a huge room that sounded great. The cabs were in iso booths to reduce mic bleed and so far...it is sounding really good. The experience was really cool. we play 90s style death metal with some sweet chainsaw tones so the 'raw' feel really works. This style, in my opinion, sounds better and more alive when it isnt so polished.
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You are awesome mate! Thank you for all your wise words and amazing ideas and knowledge! It always sounds much better doing live recordings rather than all the cut and paste quantised recordings we seem to hear far too often! Nothing beats an awesome band with a skilled audio engineer doing what they do best! And thanks for sharing all your work 🤘🤘
great timing. my band and i are prepping songs and rehearsing our asses off to be able to record in studio live off the floor. no time aligning everything, no grid, just some good old four guys rocking the fuck out. this video came out just in time for us lmao
Love the live recordings. When Korn moved back to this it was awesome. Hope more bands record live like this in the future. Really liked how you explained your tweaks. Nobody else does that from what I have seen. Nice touch 👍
Sounds killer so far. For prog or tech death I can see it's not going to be ideal but I think for a lot of metal this sound really works. A lot of metalheads want feeling rather than perfection.
Live studio recording separates the Men from the Boys, plus It's way more human, fun and inspiring. There's nothing like that feeling you get when you nail that first full take.
Nice. That's how my first band's demo tracks were recorded - we were lucky enough to have a friend of the band who owned pretty good gear & a studio. It was an awesome experience & the outcome was amazing
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This is one of your best videos by far. I love the live tracking thing and the footage that comes with it, and of course i loved the fact that you worked with NO TURNING BACK here (btw : you should say "heavy music" and not "heavy metal" if you're working with a hardcore band :)), which is like the European equivalent of the almighty TERROR.
At The Drive In did their album Relationships Of Command off the floor live. They even did the vox. You can hear the singer Cedric in the overheads. I think Beato did a break down.
I really would love to do a record like that with my band as I have the feeling that we lose some "mojo" (for lack of a better word) when recording every instrument on its own
The guitar mics: Did you flip the phase, get them to cancel, then undo the phase flip?? That might be the easiest way to get two mics in phase that I've ever seen. That beats the hell out of the methods I use.
Meshuggah did "Violent Sleep of Reason" live off the floor and it definitely has a more organic and less sterile energy than any of their post "Chaosphere" records.
Sounds great! I really hope that more metal bands will go back to a more raw sound and live recording. That sounds way more interesting and unique then all the overproduced records from the recent years.
I really liked the "chaos" the room mics added to the rough mix. Just flipping those on brought the whole soundscape alive. I don't know how hard that effect would be to reproduce in a track by track recording, even if you had all the instruments recorded in the same room with the same room mic and same placements. I think all the sounds interacting with each other in the room and the dynamics of the whole band playing together adds something special.
I am loving it. Sounds really 'alive'. Back in the late 80's my old thrash band Hydra Vein recorded like this....sadly we had a shit enginner and a tight budget haha. I always loved the process and the gelling as a band in the studio. And no damn click either! Thats what a good drummer is for right?
Music sounds best when recorded live off the floor...it's the whole enchilada at once..multitrack is someone's perspective of a series of events, summed down. Some awesome mixing info....had a wtf moment a few times....lol. cheers from Vancouver Island
not sure "multitrack" is the right word for what you mean :) I think you meant "recording instruments one by one", which is different. Most live recordings are multitracked (because you want all of these different tracks to craft your mix).
Meshuggah's 2016 album was famously recorded live in a studio (at least from what I gather), and even though the musicians were all in separate rooms, the energy is definitely there My opinion is, if the band is a great live band (like Meshuggah or Karnivool), then you better trust that they can deliver no matter the style, but I personally wouldn't try this with some local metalcore teenagers :D
Vibe... that is the lightning in the bottle. In that equation, many variables. Ultimately, it comes down to two things 1 Chemistry. If they have it, you will know. 2. Capture If you know the limitations of your gear. 3. Sound engineering Sculpting the mix to differentiate between the live experience and the cd experience. The cd version is to give enhanced with panning and reverb. Live is... well live. It becomes a living thing. Dare to be Bold
7:07 I feel real nerdy saying this but was the drummer jamming some Meshuggah "I" beats here? Or is that just coincidental. There's a drum part at around 13minutes into 'I" that sounds exactly like what this guy is playing. Sounds effin' cool regardless.
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@@raynerdandot9673 Look out for any livestream or live show they do that would be multitracked and then mixed in post, like many Hate5Six videos for instance. Pretty sure it will exist at some point.
All metal bands should record their stuff live...new albums for the last 25 years or more sound sterile and lack the magic that only happens when people are making music together.
The advantage of this is that the musicians will adjust their amp to cut through the mix. Like in the old time when they recorded everything with one mic. All the balance was carefully adjusted. Could be a challenge for you!
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I really like this real drumsounds, since almost everybody is putting samples on all the drums, all recordings sound the same and it bores me. This drumsound is so lively, great.
Единственное что я бы добавил, это толпу фанатов в соседнюю комнату) с комнатными микрофонами) Идеально! ) The only thing I would add is a crowd of fans in the next room) with room microphones) Perfect! )
The last few times I have been in the studio we played guitar and bass in the same room as the drums but DI the guitar and bass. I enjoy recording that way the most. Main goal is to get the drums, if the guitar and bass are also good takes than bonus. Then go back and double track the guitar with a cab
@@KohleAudioKult yes sir it is! The Dustie Waring (of Between the Buried and Me) signature model. He's more of a bluesy/progressive type, as opposed to Mick Thomson's more brutal style. So I'm really curious!
Seems a lot of heavy productions are moving back to this recently - I really think hate5six's popularity has had a lot to do with it. Some of his live recordings beat the band's studio works imo, check out his 3/12/22 recording with 200 Stab Wounds and virtually anything he's done with The Acacia Strain
Didn't Martin Birch and Iron Maiden always record their classic records live? Whenever I think of a band playing live in studio I think of "No Prayer for the Dying."
I live track bands quite often, it's the best way to keep their vibe - speaking of that, I'm particularly proud of the outcome of Tons' side in their split with Bongzilla.
That video took me back to when I first started in the 90’s. Having the band all together in a huge live room with the amps walled off and running the Studer A80 wide body at 15ips!!! Capturing that energy of the band playing together definitely makes a difference! Thank you for what do!!!
There is no comparison. Switch off the click track, get em all in a room and hit it. Nothing beats that energy for bed tracks. You have all the fun with separation etc, but you won't get that cohesiveness any other way.
How are you using Mesa Boogie amps in Europe's 220v power? Sorry if this is a ridiculous question, but I only recently realized that Mesa (as well as many others) isn't dual volt. So how do you use 110v amps in Europe? Genuinely curious since I may relocate to Europe and would like to bring my amps with me.
@@KohleAudioKult Looks like I'll just have to lose out on bringing my 120v amps and compressors and just get new 230v stuff there. Sucks, since I've acquired some killer rare stuff through the years and don't really trust power converters. It's a damn shame more US companies haven't taken a more global approach to building amps and simply make them dual voltage like many European amps. P.S. How is the metal scene in northern Germany vs. southern Germany?
Love It, great idea!!. Some day, I think bands will come back to studios for this kind of recordings. Now we are still on the hiper produced sound era.
Would love to see some tips on recording live drums without editing. The detailed stuff is great, but I'm trying to get a 'live' open sound for my project. I want to use less gates, more mic bleed for example.
