I Regret Going To Law School at Chapman Fowler School of Law - I Lost My Conditional Scholarship 

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Passing the LSAT is when you study hard,if you can't study or you don't have time for your studies I'd advise you get yourself help like Mr Thomas

I had interest in working with him but I was discouraged by my friends out of ignorance 😔

I have a cousin who never studied much,we studied together but she gives most of her time to her phone than studies after writing the LSAT test she passed and I failed😣, I asked her how she did it, just found out she got her help from Mr Thomas ..

Sometimes hard work doesn’t pay you have to back it up with smartness🤓, I think your cousin understood that perfectly

Please does anyone know who this Mr Thomas is? I really need to speak with him I’m frustrated.

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Law schools are for profit businesses. Law school staff, faculty, Deans, Admissions Officers and folks who work for the Career Services Offices lie their a__es off all the time to lure in students and get those sweet, sweet student loan dollars. Many law school students are not seen as "students" at all, but rather as "student-loan-conduits". The money flows from the government, as "student loans", through to student, and into the coffers of the law school. Law schools will pitch people with all sorts of nonsense: come see our amazing International Law Program, or study Sports Law, or perhaps even Space Law! I have been practicing law for over a quarter century--haven't met a Space Lawyer yet. Or someone who works full time in "International Law". As for "Sports Law" people watched that silly Tom Cruise movie "Show me the money!" and convinced themselves that they too could go law school, become a "Sports Agent" and make big bucks while chilling with LeBron James! These folks end up working at Starbucks. Use your common sense and avoid Law School like the plague.

@@echoingamyI don’t blame you at all for being duped by this university’s scholarship system! It is purposely predatory!!

@@stuff1784 Law student's student loans pay for the BMWs and Mercedes Law Professors drive. Law School in the US, in 2024, is a huge scam. I am glad I went to law school back in the early 90's, when the tuition was far, far lower and there were actual jobs for new JD's.

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Do you recommend being a lawyer? Can i make 6 figures if i dont go to t14?

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I am thinking of going to law school too. Ive see a bunch of vids on yt that aaw ita very saturated, scarcity of law jobs, and low pay, 30k-50k with a law degree!

Oh and please keep us posted on what you decide to do!

Thank you. I will

Thank you for listening. You’re right it felt very competitive.

They wouldn't make a any money, and most of them would go out of business, if they were honest. Did you know that there are TEN LAW SCHOOLS in the state of Pennsylvania? The state can't reliably provide jobs to the graduating class of one law school every year. . .so it has 10. That means that JD's will be asking "Sir, do you want fries with that?" post graduation. People say they didn't know the legal job market was overcrowded before applying to law school. . .but if you go to a state that has 5 or 10 law schools, and say you didn't see a problem with that, then you are a special kind of stupid.

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I'm about to be a 3L at Chapman and I have to say it's one of the best decisions I've ever made. It's an amazing law school with outstanding professors. I'm choosing to take on the debt, I don't have a scholarship. However, I think if you are offered a scholarship that's conditional, most schools operate this way to incentivize those who have a scholarship to strive for the highest GPA. All law schools have curves, and although Chapman has a comparably lower curve than other law schools, you can't escape the curve in law school. Nor can you escape bad grades and disappointment in law school. It's the way it is and you just have to make sure you work harder/study more the next time around because the amount of studying required to pass the bar is unlike anything most people have to do in their education.

Thank you.

I’m considering quitting. I’m glad you like Pace. I visited the campus in white plains.

You purchased this school. Did your due diligence fail you ? You want to return your purchase because it's not what you thought? You have options.

Pace at least has good employment outcomes even if their scholarship policy is a bit predatory. Definitely not the worse situation and I know lots of Pace alumni, all of them seem to be doing quite well. Now's there's a law school in Long Island that's even more expensive than Pace and has much worse employment outcomes.

@@andrewc673 its a bit difficult to hear that after going through Pace OCI, which was essentially nonexistent compared to seeing the OCI of my friends at other schools. For private sector there were 2 V100 firms that did resume collect, and that's it. For public sector there there was the NYC law department, and 2 DA's offices. That was unbelievably pathetic. I sent out over 100 applications to big law firms, and despite being top of my class, law review, lots of solid work history, and just doing a summer internship with a federal judge, all I've gotten were a few screeners that have led to nothing, and total radio silence from 95% of the firms. One firm (Cravath) even literally required me to put the name of my school in the subject line of my application email. That way I suppose they didn't have to waste the 5 seconds to open my resume before throwing it out because I'm not going to the right school. Comparing myself to my friends at Fordham and Columbia who were below median but already have biglaw offers, it really makes me question what value this school has. It is super frustrating to think about all the effort I put into doing well in school not mattering, just because of elitist hiring practices. I at least expected a robust public sector OCI, but that list was truly pathetic. Hopefully I can get something at the NYU public interest law fair in January.

@@echoingamy Do not borrow 200K for 2 years at a low ranked law school. I wouldn't borrow that much to attend Harvard Law, and I am a practicing lawyer with over 25Y experience. You have options, you know the right decision, and I applaud your bravery for posting this video and warning others about The Law School Scam.

Thank you Tekla

Lol. I like your optimism 😀 thank you ♥️ that’s very nice of you to say

Is the lsat demon good? I got 3 months to take my lsat in June

Yes! You MUST check it out. Take a listen to their podcasts and free demon account to try it out. These guys have the 411. They've been around for at least 10 years, went to law school themselves and have graduated thousands of students in the 170's range for T14 schools, allowing them to go to law school for free!@@iFrankie.

yes @@iFrankie.

As a person who was strongly considering Chapman, this is eye-opening.

A lot of respectable law schools offer generous scholarships and then place students in aggressive academic environments where they are at serious risk of losing those scholarships. It is an assumption of risk of the scholarship recipient. The GPA requirements are disclosed upfront, and anyone that accepts such a scholarship should feel that pressure out of the gate. The curve and competitive environment would be obvious to anyone that did the smallest amount of research. Some people keep their scholarships, and some people lose their scholarships. It is what it is, and Chapman is nothing special in that regard. Their GPA requirement for maintaining scholarships are even less tough than other law schools out there.

Thank you for your comment. Yes. I’ve considered dropping out

@@echoingamy I hope you seriously consider it as a viable option. 200k in debt with a starting salary around maybe 60-80k a year means a lot of your years in practice basically paying off interest. You have a high GPA and with some work on your LSAT you can reapply and get scholarships at way better schools. I wish I had a 3.9 like you. That's a free Ivy league law education with a good enough LSAT.

I think the high price is part of the scam. They charge high prices and many assume the price means a high quality education, but it's probably average. Then the scholarship is there to suck you in and accept the offer. Once in, you are stuck and they make their money off the subsequent years. This school does not sound much different that those bogus colleges that advertise on TV. High price, low value and students leave with mountains of debt and can barely find a good paying job in their field. I think 60-80K is not even a reasonable expectation considering how saturated the legal field is.

Thank you.

Thank you Chris!

I haven’t looked into it. The lsat is very difficult

@@echoingamy the lsat is difficult. I took it twice and got a 172. I used LSATDemon to help me study. It’s an expensive program but it helped me out.

They promise more than they can offer to reel you in and take it away 😅

I’m doing okay. Thank you ♥️

Good for you. If you're ever feeling feisty, you could "wonder" how their unofficial education on how to create an atmosphere for coercion holds up with accreditation standards 😉🌸

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@@echoingamy If you want to excel in law school you have to work on your writing skills. Get study aids, use resources in school, get tutoring. You have to learn how IRAC works and use it very well by issue spotting, applying the black letter law to the facts, & concluding. Look at Themis or Helix.

I actually did well in some classes. The particular classes I did poorly in happened to be the classes were the instructors gave the least amount of instructing. The classes went something like: did you read? Do u have questions? Alright see you next week.

@@echoingamy Well that is how law school works. The professors expect you to learn what you need to know and do via your readings. And if you didn't understand a particular concept, you ask them. I'm sure they lectured as well, not just did you read... If you still want to attend law school, don't give up. Or if you want something related you can get a Masters in law or a paralegal certificate & work for a law firm as an paralegal/legal assistant.

​​@@gemalopez6885That was my suggestion. I've been a career paralegal and have at various points earned what some new associates at small firms make. But EA, find a way to keep going, land a job that can pay off your debt as fast as possible. If you do quit or take a break from law school, see if you can land a law firm job with tuition reimbursement. My paralegal program was paid by my Big Law firm. And many companies will pay for Masters or law degrees if you work for them after you graduate. I mostly worked in litigation and made a decent living. But practice areas like Governance pay much higher. You have options. Explore them all before you totally quit. Good luck! P.S. Your explanation re: this shady grading practice shocked me. Keep sharing. It really will help others.

Thank you. I used the gi bill for undergrad. I don’t qualify for vr&e

If you lose the scholarship going into 2L, just cut your losses and get an MBA in accounting/CPA.

I don’t think I can start over with school. My hearts barely in it now to continue

Thank you for your comments. I haven’t decided

@@echoingamy good luck friend!

Obviously she knows that dude. But the school knew a lot better than her. Taking advantage of a veteran…. Disgusting.

I worked as a paralegal in a government agency for 30 years in civil service. Originally I had planned to go to law school but changed my mind when I saw attorneys who were let go because of a new Attorney General remain unemployed for years. The staggering debt of attending Law School makes it a silly choice for most people,

Modern US law school prey upon gullible people. Some fool will get a bachelor's degree in "Philosophy" or a similar worthless major, move back home with the parents, and start stocking shelves at the local grocery store while struggling with student loans. Then they will decide that they want to be like Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, or Elle Woods in Legally Blond, or a character on the TV show Suits, and go to law school. Law school recruiters will gleefully lie to them about their amazing career prospects--as long as they pay the school 150K or more in tuition, financed by student loans they will never repay--and off they go. Students, and potential law students, should really know better. There are No Jobs for most law school grads because the job market for lawyers is grossly oversaturated and has been for decades. There are 10 TEN ABA ACCREDITED LAW SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA. Does anyone reading this honestly believe that there are jobs for 10 entire classes of law students every 12 months in one state? There are 8 law schools in Virginia, 6 in tiny D.C. . .you get the picture. You could study Nursing for 24 months and have far better job prospects than 7Y of college and law school, followed by a tough 2 day Bar Exam.@@loralieisa

Don't go. Trust me, the JD is not going to help you on the job market, and the student debt will be a lifetime burden. There are lots of fields that need workers, teaching, Nursing, Accounting, Radiation Techs, Truck Drivers, Airplane Pilots and the list goes on and on. People go to law school because lawyers are glamorized in silly movies like "Legally Blonde". . . and wildly inaccurate depictions of how law is actually practiced on the show Law & Order, and similar shows. Life isn't a TV show or a movie. Do something practical instead of pursuing a JD at a low-ranked school.

The data is somewhat readily available. The ABA records and publishes how many students had conditional scholarships and what percentage of those students lost them. It's still an incredibly shitty process, but people can do their due diligence to see which schools do this and which ones don't.

I’m not sure why it’s legal. Except that Laws haven’t caught up to the present needs of society. Conditional scholarships are a fairly new creation.

Traditionally law schools expel the lowest ranked. I believe now they’ll let you keep going.

I used the lsac school search to find law schools to apply to

Northwestern California University School of Law??

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Law school Deans, Professors, and the folks who work at the Career Services Office all know that they are scamming their own students, promising them jobs that don't exist. There are TEN LAW SCHOOLS-10-in the state of Pennsylvania. 8 in Virgina. 6 in tiny DC. That's 24 law schools in 2 states and a tiny "District". There aren't enough jobs for half those grads, probably not enough for 25 percent of them. If you are teaching law school in a state with 10 of them, you have to know your students are getting screwed, paying big tuition for jobs they will never get. It is all very dishonest, shameful, and wrong. The ABA doesn't care, and students like you end up with a worthless degree and in a job unrelated to practicing law.

You couldn’t get a job or u just didn’t want to practice law?

I think partly I was influenced to go because a RU-vidr vlogged the school while she was going there. I didn’t get a chance to tour or visit the schools in CA, but I knew I wanted to go to CA. I also expected that rent would be cheaper because it’s not LA or Malibu. Rent is actually the same if not more.

@@echoingamy Well, you did great in undergrad. Chapman is a con and you deserve better. It’s just an unfortunate situation. Someone wrote that you should cut your losses, drop out, and re-apply to a different school and start over. It’s not a bad idea. I just can’t fathom being 200k in debt with a law degree from Chapman. Best wishes.

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@yoyoyo111able Your friend is lucky she was living with her parents but she had no paycheck for 3 years after tax. Its not worth it. I have friends who have associate degrees who make six figures doing software development or tech sales. The legal sector is saturated, there are too many lawyers and the law schools know this but they over enroll and engaged in predatory practices.

@@melissagreye8445 EXACTLY. There are plumbers and electricians who make over $100K a year, and people with law degrees who work doing "temporary document review projects" for $22.00 per hour. Society programs people to believe that all lawyers are wealthy, beautiful, powerful people who fight for justice in big, dramatic courtroom battles. . .the reality is wildly different than that, and not in a good way.

There was recently an incident in NYC where a lawyer with 30 years of experience in litigation used chatgpt for his legal research and it just made up cases. He submitted that to the court, and the judge and opposing counsel saw right away that it was using bogus nonexistent caselaw. So now he's probably going to be disbarred for doing that. So don't put education in quotation marks, not just anyone can be a lawyer with no training. As for why law school is so expensive, I agree that it's ridiculous and unjustifiable. Though the cost at public law schools is generally around $20-25k, which is still massively overpriced, but a far cry from the $50-65k at a private school. The fact is that since you can get unlimited student loans that can never be discharged in bankruptcy court, the schools can just charge whatever they want and people will pay it. Supply and demand is completely distorted, because they don't have to worry about pricing people out by being too expensive, so long as they're willing to take on the student loan debt.

@@warnegoodman you need to factcheck GPT4.0 for now for sure, but AI will get better over time, just think about how good google is now days comparing it back when it was version 4.0, anyways the point is this education system is a scam.

I’m so sorry.