I Secretly Recorded My Judicial Committee | Jehovah’s Witnesses 

I personally have some things to discuss

@@altworldly No, you don't. Worldly rants are not serious "discussion points."

but I literally discuss them. In this video actually.

@@jacobfield4848 If you don’t have a discussion how do you grow as a person how do you educate and learn how do you express How you feel never been a Jw

@@mysticmystic325 After accepting Jehovah then you can indeed grow. You cannot grow while living a lie.

I agree with what you saying and I'm a disfellowshipped brother and the elders were dying to get rid of me and they did.. and because of this cult, I've lost my own mom to this disgusting cult

@@joeyelfather25 If you read the book called 1984 by George Orwell. It's not about Jehovahs Witnesses of course. But it very eerily, highlights the way Jehovahs Witnesses have been systematically indoctrinated to think. I can't explain fully because it will take to long. But if you have read that book you will know what I mean. Here's and example. To Jehovahs Witnesses disfellowshiping is a "loving provision." When of course there is nothing loving about it. It's emotional blackmail and it can cause very serious psychological harm. Some disfellowshiped ones have committed suicide. Also like in the book 1984 they have a way of 'forgeting' about passed failed prophesies. 1914 for example is rarely mentioned by the JW's now. The "governing body" of JW's made up the, "overlapping generations" as a way to gloss over the 1914 doctrine. No Witnesses question it. They give unquestioning obedience to the WT organisation. The "governing body" are vile and extremely manipulative, conniving bunch of charlatans. 2 Timothy 3 :13

They are but don't tell them that! They are God ,their God, spokesman. The narcissistic people are too many to count.

Well the elders aren’t really lying because they believe disfellowshipping Jake is helping him…. In a round-about nonsensical way

@@cubonefan3 It's a difficult one to examine in depth here. If the Elders genuinely believe they are helping jake by disfellowshiping him they may technically not be lying. However, I would say they are lying first and foremost to themselves. ( Similar to war criminals who were on trial who said, "we were just following orders" ) The Elders get their 'orders' from the vile manipulative "governing body" of JW's. The Elders treatment of dissenting voices is inhumane. It breaks a number of points in the declaration of human rights. That declaration is based on basic human dignity. Here's an illustration: A man beats his wife regularly. Each time he does so, he says to her, as she's cowering in fear bruised and battered. "Look what you made me do?" I love you. You know that don't you?" The man in this illustration is a self deluded liar. It's very similar with the Elders who destroy families life's with the cruel unscriptual man made practice of disfellowshiping and shunning.

Good one!

Only just realised..when Daniel wrote of the time when TRUE knowledge was to be abundant...it was about there's recordings..no longer two physical witnesses required..but the many available recordings on social media offer evidence of the goings on in judicial meetings... Imagine the young sister who has been caught up in sexual immorality and in the judicial process before 3 old men..how that appears..not allowed a chaperon to verify the disgusting road some of the questions take..how many times penetrative sex occured..was it enjoyed ..etc etc..just such intimate details.. From the perspective of an outsider this just looks so wrong ..the older men like 3 DIRTY OLD MEN.. It makes sense now when l recall the temple vision Ezekiel had of the older men that he saw in vision masturbating with their backs turned so God wouldn't see them !! Another prophecy fulfilled !

They give you the wrong impression about people who are not witnesses and don’t care because it’s Jehovah smh

I think of that verse all the time. The rest of it too. So important to live a clear and genuine life best we can guided by true authentic love . I never got how they rationalized lying in the name of spiritual warfare and have lied to courts on record and had people in other countries die for their version of the truth. A lie is a lie and there is no untruth found in our creator, the Source of all life, who doesn’t change.

@@GoldenMystic8 Very well said. Being in that Cult was torcher.

@@GoldenMystic8 Absolutely Correct. Not only Lying, but all of the Secrecy being done by Watchtower and The Elders as well. Most Rank and File Members, as well as the General Public, do not know of or can respond to; things being done and said behind their backs. They are Oblivious to it all and as such they inadvertently uphold the false facade of Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses being a Respectable/Desirable Religion and not the Cult/Business Organization it Truly Is. Everything from Hypocritical Behaviours of the Governing Body Members; Secret ever-changing Elder's Manuals; Crimes committed by Rank and File Members and then those Crimes are covered over and hush-hushed from exposure with Silencing and with Shaming and Blaming Victims of those Crimes into Submission by the Elders; to Ever Present and Unaddressed or Exposed, But Deliberately Hidden Child and Marital and Sexual Abuse. These Secrets are just some of the reasons that Watchtower and Other Cults demand and indoctrinate Members to possess a Complete Cult Loyalty, Cult Conformity, An Us versus Them Social Structure, A Narcissistically Based Superiority Complex, and much more. They exist in a Fantasy-Based Mentality, because to live a Reality-Based Existence, the many Secrets and Lies being Done By and Force-Fed to Jehovah's Witnesses (and unaware of by The General Public), would get Highlighted and Exposed and The Cult would need to be Made Accountable For and/ or Legally Prosecuted, thus calling for Justice and Actual "Truth" promoted and lived. True Personal Freedom lived by All(In Reality not Fantasy).

Congrats on your freedom from Satan's org'S DEATH GRIP

Im listening to this 1yr later after the event. He was 1 against 3. Jake handled himself amazingly. But deep down after the event; he knew he was going to be disfellowshipped. He didn't have to be there, but chose to. He was going to go our with a bang. His answers to all their reasoning were so much better than anything they said. He kept saying where is that in the bible. This is not a loving arrangement. Jake is a very intelligent man n it came across so correct to me. He was 14 when bsbtized. I was 12. I use to think the wt n awake were inspired like the bible n every word from the gb to the elders was from holy spirit. But hey they babtized me axfew days off 12yrs old n some kids I've heard r as young as 7. Their reasoning (honestly it triggered me) u agreed to the contract. So many of us as kids signed up to the contract of being told the truth. That's the book my parents studied. My dad cancelled all our families life insurance as they were told the end was coming in 1975. My stepmother said an elder would mark the board every week, one week closer to Armageddon. Part of being human is to question things to find truth. I do hope Jake found happiness n new friends as hevlost his family n talked about being suicidal. My respect to u leaving being an elder n having that position of authority. I've known some nice ones over the yrs. Moved around over the yrs. Last 2 congs, honestly horrible elders. Not loving sheperds at all. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Pandemic helped me finally wake up. No love. Heaps like me, saw their was no love. People lost jobs, didn't have money for food, turned to other organisations to help them. My bro helped bros on a remote island to buy rice. All as this organisation does is buy more real estate n tell the flock to pioneer n live a simple life while they build wealth.

They did not flinch when Jake told them he was suicidal. Who are these heartless unloving people?

Yup! You will take the consequences or not. If you do commit suicide, your memory will be treated like crap too. Is this the love of a brother? Is this what Jesus would have of done? Just saying.

Thank u. I'm listening in 1yr later. I picked that up also. These dudes r not therapists of any kind. They r actually contributing to the suicides numbers n don't care.

My mental health issues r realy bad due to religious tramer but getting better was in for over 20 od yrs

I came very close to successfully committing suicide at 17, they tried to stop the hospital from sending me for help. When I never went back home, nothing was ever said about what happened to me or where I went....and nobody questioned it

A parent would give their life for their child. Unless of course that parent was God and had only one SON. Then that God would give his only child, and then expect all the glory and worship to go to HIMSELF, NOT his ONE CHILD/SON who suffered a horrible death while he watched. The SON he did NOT give his life for. I'm in a mood tonight. Maybe facing REALITY for once. I dunno.

AMEN 💯

They have absolutely no self-awareness. only governing body awareness.

Unless...their child needs a blood transfusion to survive.

@@gwenpytka6739 i do not see that you are wrong.

This may not mean much coming from a stranger on the internet, but I’m so sorry about what you had to deal with. That’s horribly abusive and so awful. I’m sending you love ❤

Agree wholeheartedly. His wife will be a very fortunate women.

Wow you did awesome…you had me looking up scriptures. ☺️

I agree with you. I’m studying the Bible with Jehovah witnesses nearing baptism. My wife is baptized. I’m looking these videos just to know what goes wrong and what the elders do ? These apostates simply *don’t love Jehovah god above all else* Yep there are pedophiles in this religion or any religion and yep it’s weird they cover it up and don’t report it to the police and keep secret databases like in Australian Royal commission in 2015 with 1006 pedophiles since 1950 with 1500 victims. Also watchtower USA are going to court over their database with highest court in USA. Which is weird Then there is this 1914 from 607BCE but Babylon destroyed Jerusalem in 587BC from historical records. I’m not like all these guessing prophecies. I believe in YHWH Jehovah or Yahweh and just Jesus & Jehovah god. I also believe in the last days as I’m 52 and I can see humans hating each other - look 2 Timothy 3, 1-5 I think the governing body are God’s chosen religion nowadays, as all the other Christian religions don’t use God’s name or preach the kingdom of the good news globally like in Matthew said. Psalm 37:38 38 But all the transgressors will be destroyed; The future of wicked people will be cut off. Matthew 24: 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,and then the end will come. Matthew 24:8-13 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. 9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulationk and will kill you,l and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.m 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many;n 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold.o 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved *ENDURE TO THE END* Do not listen to these apostates It’s not a perfect religion and imperfect men running it. Just worship Jehovah god, preach and teach the Bible and be good to uphold Jehovah’s name. We are in this religion because Jehovah is our father nothing else. Do not let people or politics stumble you.

No matter how “close” something can get to the real thing it will still be fake. Aspartame will come close but will NEVER be sugar Laminate flooring will come close but will NEVER be wood

That’s what my brother told me once “ they are the most imperfectly perfect organization “ what a stupid statement indeed

@@isamar4073 The JW obsession with mythical perfection. "Most imperfectly perfect organization." So it's perfect because Jehovah is up top, but imperfect because he's using Joe Schmoes like Stephen Lett and Geoffrey Jackson to run it. Doesn't make sense that the creator of the universe would have to resort to that. Sorry Watchtower, the narcissistic self righteousness began with Charles Taze Russell and continues right on down to this gaggle of goobers in Warwick.

the cleanest dirty shirt? the elder sounded like a politician. It’s sloganeering, that’s all it is.

"Alternative Truth" Yikes :/

You have a very kind message for Jake but honestly any religion is total self-deception. God does not exist. The sooner the world is rid of all self-delusion called religion the better for everyone.

EDIT: Okay apparently my original reply made NO sense because I was responding to a totally different comment. To actually answer your question, the meeting was held over Zoom due to Covid, so it was easy for me to just sneakily have my recording stuff off camera.

@@altworldly don’t understand

I know right! The audio quality is amazing.

Maybe the reason why the audio is so clear is because they may be on zoom rather than in a room where he would have to hide his mobile phone from view.

@@maximuspowell1672 As far as I'm aware "Judicial committee" meetings are all in person none are held via Zoom. The Elders were told by "governing body* they can open kingdom Halls for judicials.

Worrying about whether a brother has committed a violation so serious that it requires disfellowshipping and shunning may seem like a worthwhile consideration when all is well or maybe even in a future paradise on earth, but in the real world if one is in need or in a place of distress, will one care whether or not the one offering assistance is a Witness in good standing or not? Sorry, but listening to these elders self-righteously grill our friend here all I could think of is these are sad little men.

Omg...soooo true! When they opened their mouths..I was saying" Whaaaat the Hell are they talking about"???!!

One of the reasons I did not to become an elder is precisely this. My conscience would not allow me to be a part of mindless robotic heartless tribunals !

Reminds me of the Mormon church. These Judicial Committees are throughout societies, and trickles out from courts, educational, business, right down to families as well. "Every event has a reason, a casual chain of relationships that make it happen; you have to dig deep into that reality, instead of seeing only the surface of things.". Robert Greene Of course this takes courage... These judicial systems only look at the surface, aye, there's the rub.

I got disfellowsh

I agree

Nice.

Amen! 🙏

I woke up May 4th 2019 Left ASAP

Love that Layman!!

I totally agree! We shall no longer leave quietly. That’s what they want. Speak loud and to as many people will listen THIS IS A CULT! well done, brilliant job. I applaud you 👏🏻

Another great comment Phil. You have a wonderful way of expressing yourself ☺️

I celebrate your joy for being out. Me, a pal out 20 years ago when there was but a few guys doing noise... not longer.

49:33 answer to for the guy that sinned read 2Cor 2:5-7

The best defense is a good offense! If people are warned about the truth of this cult before they even join, a lot less people’s lives will have to be destroyed before realizing. The only kind of “life saving preaching work” I support!

I have to say I was extremely impressed with Jake's presentation. Elders are so single minded, but Jake is very sharp and it sounded in a few spots that what he was saying was actually causing them to think critically about the organization. No small feat. This is a very important video for anyone negatively impacted by Watchtower. Epic. Jake against the Org. He ended up being disfellowshipped, but he's a hero and we cheer for him.

I agree with you. I’m studying the Bible with Jehovah witnesses nearing baptism. My wife is baptized. I’m looking these videos just to know what goes wrong and what the elders do ? These apostates simply *don’t love Jehovah god above all else* Yep there are pedophiles in this religion or any religion and yep it’s weird they cover it up and don’t report it to the police and keep secret databases like in Australian Royal commission in 2015 with 1006 pedophiles since 1950 with 1500 victims. Also watchtower USA are going to court over their database with highest court in USA. Which is weird Then there is this 1914 from 607BCE but Babylon destroyed Jerusalem in 587BC from historical records. I’m not like all these guessing prophecies. I believe in YHWH Jehovah or Yahweh and just Jesus & Jehovah god. I also believe in the last days as I’m 52 and I can see humans hating each other - look 2 Timothy 3, 1-5 I think the governing body are God’s chosen religion nowadays, as all the other Christian religions don’t use God’s name or preach the kingdom of the good news globally like in Matthew said. Psalm 37:38 38 But all the transgressors will be destroyed; The future of wicked people will be cut off. Matthew 24: 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,and then the end will come. Matthew 24:8-13 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. 9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulationk and will kill you,l and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.m 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many;n 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold.o 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved *ENDURE TO THE END* Do not listen to these apostates It’s not a perfect religion and imperfect men running it. Just worship Jehovah god, preach and teach the Bible and be good to uphold Jehovah’s name. We are in this religion because Jehovah is our father nothing else. Do not let people or politics stumble you.

Yes , brilliant

^ this!

It's because they want their "reward" more than anything else. Therefore the ends justify the means.

Thank you, Jake for sharing the Truth of this False Jehovah Witness. There is Only One True DOCTRINE! THE GOSPEL, THE GOOD NEWS of JESUS CHRIST!

amen

there is no reward for someone not covered in the blood.@@lulubellers

Dirt spot , gangrene … very Joseph Goebbels like . Shame on them .

Yep they r. Here I am 1yr after the event. Jake was 3 against 1 n he handled himself just fine. His knowledge n reasoning abilities was astonishing. But when he mentioned suicide those elders should have stopped. I just hope he was ok after that ordeal. I knowchecwouldvhave gone home n cried. He's still only young. The whole ordeal would have triggered him. It triggered me when they went on about what we signed up to n he said I was 14. I was 12 n it angers me. My sibling 14. It's so wrong.

I am a former JW. But I'm not an atheist. God is still head of my life I am a practicing independent Christian. I still love the Lord He is still the love of my life.

Please don’t let go of Jesus Christ even though you got out of the JW cult. Almost all churches have been corrupted at this time of His almost second coming. Read the word and pray for the truth! Jesus Christ is God!

​@@romandaigle455but even if you believe in a second coming that doesn't mean you're going to be saved. There is a reason why most religions out here don't help a person get saved. They're giving the wrong message. First off the most important thing is they sit here and make it sound like you can have a relationship with God while in sin. And that's impossible.

@@romandaigle455do you just stock XJW channels to try to re-indoctrinate people BACK into a religion that gave them trauma?

Well said👍🏾👍🏾

Thought control.

@@jimbobaggans1564 in ireland and uk,you cannot have a view nor opinion which opposes the govt or you get a criminal record and or jail

@@healingvibrations7845 Not true. There is absolute freedom of belief, opinion and expression in the UK as long as you don't spread or incite hate towards any individual or a group.

@@rasklaat2 well what i deem to be free speech including the right to cause offence

He didnt have to go through it, he chose to. I have no idea why anyone would choose to go before those guys.

Maybe he needed closure. I wouldn't go personally, but we're each different in our process of leaving.

@@cindyarnold8165 Yes maybe, but hes very confident so I dont think so. He made some excellent points, but that wont matter to the elders. if you speak against the governing body, your toast.

Oh, I know. Maybe he just wanted to record it. My heart goes out to anyone losing their family to this cult. I've been out 41 years and will never go back, but it's still an emotional gut punch to not have my family.

@@billsdoris I regret doing the same thing. But the mental pressure of this religion truly brainwashed me into believing that confessing to them = what God needs to see to forgive me. Smh

It was kind of surreal to hear him repeat that back to me and just...not address it at all!

They’re robots exactly how he described it. They sound like a book.

Don’t the Witless’s realize how many brilliant minds they are losing ?

@@catmeow333 they actually want brilliant minds in the cult. Actually, sleeping minds is what they target

BRAIN LOCK (Total lock down)

Covid is helping purge religions/cults. The control they had over these people is loosening.

Absolutely 😊

like I wrote above.....WHAT THE HECK is going on here with "JW's" being here communicating and even signed up for "youtube" ??? I'm just a new Study and I know that "youtube" is NOT something that is normally discouraged especially for the Baptized witnesses. Most are taught against it because they actually don't want us to learn much about their FOUNDER (Charles Taze Russell) and all of the other things that a WISE person SHOULD know about this organization PRIOR to being Baptized into this Religion. I still study with them every chance that I get, however; I've been know sooo much more than the normal "study" because I've ALWAY studies doctrines that were INVENTED my any Governing BODY to avoid Cults. Hummmmm you Baptized and on "youtube" ???? Hummmmm

Very, very, few.

They don't remain elders.

O my gosh, I loved that part! 🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏

Oh man, stay tuned lol they tried to pull this in another meeting and it was even more ridiculous

Loved this too! It occurred to me that judicial committee's have 3+ elders to reinforce their echo chamber...1 on 1 would result in them being on the receiving end of their own judicial lol

Thank you!! Yeah it’s definitely crazy hearing the cognitive dissonance in action, it’s hard to believe that I would have used the same arguments not so long ago!

It really demonstrated how these guys come in with their agenda. They are company men who must make sure you either stay in line or get kicked out and face being shunned as a consequence. They didn't want to hear any of your points. They only wanted to be the ones telling you things. It wasn't a discussion. It was a formality. This is why I will never attend one. It's all crap.

Cognitive dissonance, we are all guilty of it on some level, it's literally psychologically proven to be a vital part of how we hold our beliefs. Idk why that is, but the cult exploits that. I honestly can't be mad at that part, it's the purposefully ignorant stances where they pick the worst version of something and try to force it to fit.

Lll ppl

I understand the need to respect the company men as human beings. I also know as a born in the fear of ‘apostates’ (aka truth tellers) being mean, horrible people. I think it’s fair to say that we can hate the actions of these company men because they are actioning human rights abuses which sometimes lead to suicides, depression, mental disorders, being unfit for earning a living, living lives of lost opportunity (education, careers, friends) and many other things. They are also abusing the trust society at large has placed in them to be granted charitable status and receiving significant financial benefits for bringing benefit to society via religion, all I see is coercive control, witch hunts and kangaroo courts. We all know that the abusive spouse is not always abusive and often very much the opposite, it still makes the abuse in no way acceptable.

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I’ve heard that point made before and they reason that Satan being ousted from heaven was him “being disfellowshipped”..lol

@@sunnie8067 You cannot talk or reason with a robot. When you have been appointed directly from God we are fortunate to have these men amongst us. No I don't believe that last statement either.

Yes, the proof of this is in the book of Job, because Satan actually appears before Jehovah and converses with Him.

Watchtower highjacks people's emotions, thoughts and actions :/

They have no power over this video. It’s a private recording

And of course its the org that actively does the dividing. Like Diotrophes.

The 'truth' is that people's interests often share a zero sum resource, in other words once people understand an issue their reasons for wanting the opposite of each other are clear, not obscured in the unknown. The trick of getting more than your share (often what people desire and/or expect) is limiting the distribution of specific information.

I think they let Jake go on for so long as more evidence to his needing to be DFed. I am surprised though at how long this meeting lasted, especially in light of the other meetings they previously had with him

Basically they did at 1:14 just not in the exact words like you said, because they always say it the way you did put it. Better get the elder hauled in the back room as the company man did not say what he has been commanded.

I thought the same thing. I was hoping... hehe, that Jake was going to say, "Yeah... WT does remind me of just another money making business.... they even have a 'governing body,' like all other businesses have." You know, I always, always thought the term 'governing body', eas unique to JWs, and "scriptural." That's what I get for being raised in a cult, isolated from "the world", and no internet.

If you had policies and procedures to help said company they would at least listen to what the employee had to say. Also even if they had to let the employee go for violating the non compete, he wouldn’t be shunned by former co workers. If the company was doing hurtful things to employees, or harming the environment, or illegal practices, it would be inherent on an employee upon finding these things out to whistleblow. Toms analogy is horrible and he is a typical narrow minded elder.

@@dinotudisca3821 You are absolutely right. I have'nt watched this yet but I am going to right now.

Precisely, and even in 'the world' as evil as it is, if a contract wasn't fair or just in the first place- it will be challenged and overturned in court. The world is a fairer place than gids organisation

A brave guy

@@hillsongbest3818 He’s in judicial meeting already, of course if you expect and prepare that. What else can he lose? Still very brave, certainly I can’t do something like that.

😂🤣

@@tellbillfader437 I know! I hear you! No harm in dreaming though... I must believe in goodness, giving benefit of the doubt! Ever optimistic, cause if I came out, anyone can! 😌

Don't hold your breath.

Good point

Yes, I was also pleased to hear Jake mention this.

Definitely, I could not continue watching the video, it causes me anxiety to see how the elderly do not use their brain, they only respond as automata

Yes I can understand that. I had a reaction it's like you hear a few words and you know where they're going and I've been out 45 years. It's the stress reaction fight, flight, freeze or throw up. I listened beginning to end with toilet breaks. Did you notice at first the JW had a monotone quality and it almost makes you want to fall asleep?

That is my exact thought.

Obviously, since there is no god.

No he doesn't. He has an Arrangement 🤣

@@tbrightideas42 of flowers? 🤔

@@chelseaangel2589 could be....I was only being silly but I'm in full agreement with the comment section on the topic. They just kept using Jehovah's Arrangement.

Tbf these elders are awful

Well Judas needed to kill Jesus in order for Jesus to “die for our sins” lmao

@@cubonefan3 Now I'm hearing strains from "Jesus Christ Superstar" in my head! Ha 😂

Judas literally did the job himself committing suicide..who could do .other than shun him when he was dead ..

@@cubonefan3 Yes..even though we might play our part in fulfillment of prophecy.. its not always with a good end result for us personally . Everyone will make it to paradise !! But some will be the manure.

@@cubonefan3 Though those carrying the unclean (disgusting )expressions to kings are doing Gods bidding..they are referred to as ones that blaspheme@ rev 16:8-11 ...some of whom repent of their activism. The feelings such ones go through and their behaviour resulting from their pains and triggers is very accurately described there ! The road to life is through a CRAMPED GATE and narrow path..one where care and restrictions in our walking and some marks and injuries might occur when grazed getting through that cramped gate.. Sect it was in Jesus's day.. A cult today.. Thst shows it is still SATANS world.. 2 Cor 4:4. Who will break his control ? God has his ways..his means.. His strategy which works.. And accomplishes ALL that's needed..to bring back..restore earth to a paradise... With a body of administration over it that's FULLY QUALIFIED..FULLY TESTED. Social media has made this possible..that too is referred to In scripture..in the language of the time..l believe.. Timed to come with Gog s attack.. The phrase that covers it.. 'Clouds..clouds covering the land ' No longer are wispy powerless individuals quietly being mis treated all over the globe..unknown..not noticeable .. With the world wide Web enabling connectivity..a community that now is cohesive..cam support and come together to work united.. AGAINST those who prefer the restrictions as psalm 2 says..who want to REMOVE the tent cords .

And after that when he said "It seems to me that if I was gonna disguise myself as an angel of light, I would try to appeal as a greatest religion in the world. But I would also silence anybody who disagreed with me..."... Just brilliant! I often think about that...