I smurf with 3Ks against 5Ks 

Of course there is more other than the laning stage but you just absolutely demolished me and it felt like i couldnt walk up to get very many creeps and to prevent you from last hitting at all.

@@thesmallnut8224 doesn't help that the matchup is not in your favor still you did well in your situation.

Tbh felt like you were the only one performing in your team, despite having a rough lane. No idea how your side lanes manage to draw being that much higher mmr and with strong lane dominating heroes as well.

As you can see, BSJ played extra cautiously. I would say he even tried hard not to lose against you. Normally he doesn’t care so much about dying a few times or pushing in the wrong lane. But he had pride in him for this game. He definitely didn’t want to lose. His team also didn’t play terrible. So, still an unfair match.

If only I was BSJ, maybe I could have won more of my CDUB matches against you ;) hi from Bevis

Now for 2k vs 6k smurf 😂

I mean he chose this because his team does need a semblance of ability. I don't think he could do it on a lower mmr team. I think 3k is the lowest his team could be. I would be curious to see him keep the same avg of his team and continue to increase the enemy team's mmr after every win. To help show the significance of one person playing right, but also to show that eventually you can't 1v9 the world.

@@Juncboks of course within reason, just thought it was interesting content

@@Tsunamiieh I one hundred percent agree; my comment was more focused on what the other guy replied. I absolutely love this content, beyond the simple entertainment factor; it shows the real impact a single person on the team can make. Shows the importance of not throwing it on others and working to make the difference every game.

its smurfing vs reverse smurfing. mk barely had any impact.

Yes, increase enemy MMR please this way too easy

@@JawOT make him play with crusaders XD PS im crusader

@@ghost28896 crusaders vs divine is alot unfair because they would just straight up lose all the lane towers in 5 mins

Not hero's wear capes 😂

Yeah they can get abit heavy ayy hahahah

BSJ as the 5. I WANT TO SEE IT!

Or bsj vs Jenkins each with a team of heralds

Impossible to win for BSJ in this situation

As a 6.5k player, you are 100% correct haha

@@outlaw_logic Do you think that there is hope at 7k+ for pudges? xD

@@MultiSanzo jenkins exists. answer is very clearly no

@@MultiSanzo On EU and SA? Absolutely! On NA? Not even god can save them :P

😃😃😃

And I was the Jakiro. My guess is, we both figured out the other ain't BSJ within 30s of the lanes meeting, lol

because pigs have to be silenced.

I think so but it is kinda strange how well the 2kv5k sidelanes went

No its not. We were all Legends 3-4, and one Ancient 1

@@SinisterMJ I was the magnus, I am div 1 :)

@@MooseRust Strange, Dotabuff showed me 3 legends, 1 ancient, 1 immortal after the game...

The 3.7k team had a chance in the pregame lobby to learn that one team was 5k average (someone showed up real late, the organizer asked for a 5k stand-in player). So we knew that the odds were against us, and I played way more passive and careful than I usually would. I figured out pretty quickly that my lane partner was not BSJ simply by how they fucked up the lane in the first wave, so I went for save and cautious play instead.

@@SinisterMJ You do realize, that playing cautious when necessary is what differentiates the 5k player from the 3k player?

@@SinisterMJ generally Speaking the Lower in mmr you go the more reckless people become.

@@TheBIackEye If you know that your opponents are better than you but you have a smurf on your team, you can play much more cautiously so that you don't lose as badly, and give your smurf a chance to carry. It's very different from a random soloq game where everyone is trying to actively win their lane.

Rank isn't the determining factor for laning, only for the overall gameplay. I know plenty of high ranked players who don't lane as well as people in lower ranks but their mid game is stronger by far.

I was the Jakiro, am currently Legend 3, but rising with pos 5 at ~60% win chance. I used to be Ancient 2 at my highest.

Due to late night queue fuckery I laned as legend 4 vs divines and won lane, it's possible.

his team was defs legend from how they played

From the vision game alone, you could guarantee, that the supports were not high mmr. The first useful vision was placed at about 30min ingame time. Radiant could have easily taken over the whole topside and apply a lot more pressure if the Supports placed some sort of aggressive vision. Muerta dying three times bot in a row and what she communicated afterwards also guarantee that she does not have good game understanding. Magnus was the only guy that played well from my perspective (5k). He answered in the comments, that he was 4.7k. With Jakiro saying he is ~3.4k, the other two teammembers have to be ~3.4k which seems very reasonable to me.

thats why its called smurfing...

@@ralphED93 well you missed the point, yes normally smurfing is when you go lower game where all people are somewhat same level or you have a friend group that are lower and u play with them. But in this case he made the case that he is playing with legends vs divines so can he carry them too. But in actuality the average mmr disparity is very small. That is why stomping hard Works still very often. His team didnt even lose any lane against the enemies which kind of shows that the skill cap wasnt that big. Obviously we can state that mostlikely enemy divine mid would mostlikely have won his lane against legend player and then turned one other lane for their benefit and made the game go different routes rather than dp going ham on every lane. Anyway, good series, next time lets try ancients vs immortals or archons vs divines and from pos1. Pos2 gives too big advantage on the whole map as the game changer / map moving plays.

@@Dimens1oner Normally the team with the smurf will have a much higher avg mmr because everyone will be the same level except the smurf. He's lowering his own team's skill to make it harder. And yes I would like to see pos 1.

@@zanido9073 yes, but not enough, that was my point. One clearly better player is bigger impact than all players are a bit better. That is why its very toxic when you normally play solo in shit tier and then end up getting some kind of cheese hero trainer in opponent team mid, like storm, meepo, etc spammer that plays hero which mechanics work well if you have more knowledge and are better but yes.

If those supports were 5k, they definitely weren't support players

Great hook :)

So legends are better than divine i think after seeing this video

@@daljedalje7079 thanks :)

@@SyedAli-uj4ss I think BSJ played really well this game to offset the MMR difference

Lucky 😂 although.... Im not even close to 3kmmr so i just don't belong😅

Is that not how dota should be played?

@@alwaysradical1613 Every Dota game involves a little bit of throwing by all players, at all ranks. So, no. It's too much trying.

They would, this is fishy.

They're not 2.5, they are 3.7

People increase mmr for different reasons. Some because of better laning, some because of better mid game decisions, better at teamfight or other reasons. It's not uncommon to lose or draw lanes against someone lower mmr, but then gain back the advantage some other way later on. Plus the mmr difference isn't as you described. It's 3.7k versus 5.1k. Source: play party queue games.

I was the Jakiro, and am currently legitimately 3.3k. Unfortunately, the organizer ran into a fuck-up, and we knew that BSJ was on the legend team from the start. Not exactly which hero, but at least I was fully aware he was on our side. Within the first minute of lane I was sure it wasn't the Muerta, so basically I just tried to play to not die. We figured out by minute 8 or so who BSJ is, and it had a huge impact on how the rest of the team played. So yeah, it was legend vs divine / immortal (Dire had 1 immortal player, I think the MK iirc), but it wasn't as genuine cause we could figure out pregame whose side BSJ was on, and it was obvious by game stats quite fast who he is.

@@Kiwibacon619 The averages were a bit weird, I was the magnus and am currently 4.7k, the AVG was brought down by the supports who were legend I think (also BSJ doesn't count so it's an AVG of 4 players)

redditors about to take the title of this video and complain without considering the context that this was done with consent in a private lobby of volunteers 😍

​@@im_b_ran that's the joke

@@clevit.215 i’m well aware that is the joke

I think that’s why his team was so passive in pushing lanes out, they didn’t want to feed or get in his way

this just means reading the map i e if you see your lanes pushed in, you know that your teammate with bots will very likely tp there

They are just friendlier and more communicative, because they know that they are being on a video and playing with BSJ.

I think his point is, if this was a regular 3k game team comms and team play isn’t anything like this

yeah cuase nothing's going on, he's either just walking somewhere or waiting for something to happen.

@@al_7661 I still think even that could be valuable - just to see what he does when it's not clear what a high MMR player would do

I figure he also cut out the part where we (Radiant) called out the DP to be BSJ :D Happened at around 8 minutes I think. I think that had a huge part on the game, considering we knew that DP was the smurf.

good harass with right click, mana sustain, and a large hp pool, especially good early in lane

@@nickmarshall5327 Thanks man! And it's like a general good item, it's not specific for this match, right?

@@joemartins5041 its especially good this match because you can see how much he wants to trade right clicks early game. It usually is useful for these trading heroes who struggle with mana regen, such as weaver, bloodseeker, storm spirit, etc

BSJ is like 9K, this is extremely far below him. It's like a Divine smurfing in Herald.