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We have finally received our MCS approval! 🥳 But was it really worth all the time and money invested in the process? 🤔 Join Jordan in this special Artisan upload as he explains the journey to becoming MCS-approved and shares several tips that might help you as well.
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@artisanelectrics Год назад

View the proposed changes to the MCS scheme here 👉: mcscertified.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Scheme-Consultation_-Proposed-changes-to-MCS.pdf

@AntonyoKnight Год назад

It's just too much to consume 😕 Where is the proposal?

@MagicianMan Год назад

I watched your latest video with a great deal of interest. Our installer First4Solar recently went into administration owing approx 500-1000 people an average deposit of £2500. We were one of the lucky ones that had our installation completed and registered with MCS and HIES. Turns out that they have not registered most of those people with HIES for deposit protection, and even when they did they delayed the installation past the 120 day protection. We have people with no installations, part installations and complete installations. They have not been issued EIC/Part P Certificates, have not been registered with MCS. NAPIT have been a fucking useless trade body and have point blank refused to help anyone. MCS only advice has been "find an installer to adopt the system". Good luck with that, we contacted 15 different installers, most ignored me completely, some declined, 2 responded and 1 quoted to adopt the system and carry out remedial electrical work @ £3200 (out install was £9k). We also found out that our mounting rails and PV panels installed were different to those quoted for and listed on the MCS Certificate. MCS require us to find another MCS certified installer to write to them and confirm this is correct. However as I am led to believe Installers WON'T do this as apparently they then become responsible for the changes. And to add insult to injury MCS wanted to charge a £36 admin fee! For 99% of those other people HIES have been about as much use as a chocolate toothbrush and are "not fit for purpose". They have wriggled out of any responsibility wherever possible, their insurance backed guarantee ONLY covers "Faulty Workmanship" and even in those 1% of cases where the deposit insurance has worked there have been some particularly dodgy/criminal instances of them getting involved to arrange for alternate installations (at this point HIES should be done and all communication should be with the insurance company). One example: an alternate installer, who started operating in April 23, based in Glasgow, was proposed to install at a customers in Essex!! HIES tried to arrange this, NOT the insurance company. Turns out that this company, Jarion Ltd (10493796), also own part of HIES and 80% of this new installation company. Jarion Ltd are an "investment company" that also part own HIES, HICS, EPVS, QASSS, DGCOS, Qualitymark Protection. In addition to this Jarion Ltd have a director John Richard CHRISTIE who was also a director of HIES until December 2020. Also QA SCHEME SUPPORT SERVICES LTD (05836324) have the same Directors as HIES, aka THE INTEGRITY FOUNDATION (07972075), Faisal HUSSAIN and John Richard CHRISTIE

@sang3Eta Год назад

Octopus Energy no longer requires a MCS certificate.

@nickcollins7568 Год назад

MCS sounds like a company whose main business is to rake in Fees from installers and customers

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Pretty much how it is now tbh, we just realised a little too late

@willmitchell255 Год назад

Just like The IET Wiring Regulations

@mikebarry229 Год назад

Ironic that Octopus no longer require the installer/installation to be MCS registered to pay export

@iknowcraig Год назад

@@mikebarry229they don’t? Got any links to info or anything? I’d like to do an DIY install so this is very interesting!!

@arcadia1701e Год назад

Bit like the NICEIC and NAPIT then..

@TheXsheeple Год назад

It's all about the large companies dominating the market, the little guy just doesn't have the hours available for all the paperwork involved.

@craiglowe44 Год назад

Another example of how the British government approach policy, farm it out to external companies who couldn't care less other than their fees. Time and time again we see this leading to poor quality work, confusion and ultimately everything gets folded up and everyone has to start over again. I wonder how long till we hear about some politicians partners grandma owning MSC, followed by a weak meaningless apology that they had no idea.

@samstretton3890 Год назад

I was literally about to pay for everthing to do with MCS at the start of this week, that idea went straight in the bin when i saw the octopus announcement

@Stugadget Год назад

To be able to sign off the building control part of the solar installation you need to be part of a competent person scheme such as NICEIC and unless your MCS registered you won’t be able to sign off the building control

@patrickhosking613 Год назад

Sounds like a backwards step by octopus 🐙 if you ask me. I think that I would stay with the mcs scheme regardless of how they wish to operate.

@TheRonskiman Год назад

@@uksecco why would it be Octopus's liability anyway. They sell/buy electric from you, if your CU was poorly installed would they be liable? No they wouldn't, no different for solar, unless they actually installed it.

@1988marksie Год назад

@@Stugadget Could you provide the part of building regs that says this? MCS isnt the only certification scheme, and as long as a qualified electrician signs off as safe and provides the part p etc. then its not required at all as far as im aware.

@stealthmovements8569 Год назад

All sounds like a massive contradiction to current competency and regulation system

@NBundyElectrical Год назад

Good little video bud 👍

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Thanks

@jamieblatantsparky Год назад

Got to say I feel for you on this one Jordan , you got mugged off you spent probably 10k and you just gave it all away in a 12 minuet video as well as then octopus saying MCS is no longer required and the fact your about to get slammed by MCS for slagging them off that is against the T&C,s it’s always been a protection racket and the hero’s are octopus , meanwhile I’ve been slamming in batteries at 2k Profit a pop for months without even PART P

@artisanelectrics Год назад

😂😂😂

@effervescence5664 Год назад

MCS never should have been privatised or designed in the way it was. It should of always fallen onto the current inspection bodies. It's the equivalent of being Gas qualified, getting the Gas Boiler qualification and being able to sign conventional boilers off, then getting Water Heater qualified and being told you now have to sign up to "Combi Safe" as GasSafe alone isn't good enough. It was never designed to succeed but then it's a body trying to bridge electrics and home heating which are completely independent fields and rarely have engineers experienced or qualified across both.

@Poxenium Год назад

All this needs to be plug and play. Paperwork and certifications are dumb. You don't need certifications to plug in a 1500 watt hair dryer or vacuum cleaner... UPS... etc...

@Brmbaz1 Год назад

That’s very true.

@MacCaughey Год назад

This reminds me sooo much of the process that I went through in Ireland when I became an approved installer for solar thermal systems. We had hoped that setting up a system to create our paperwork and help the customer complete the grant paperwork would work smoothly and become almost automatic, and it did - for a while. Then they changed the requirements and made it much more onerous to meet the specifications. Panel area and hot water storage had to be matched to floor area; before and after Building Energy Assessments needed, etc. Even though I was a qualified Assessor, it was easier to follow the cowboys and offer the customer a cheaper system to save on the hassle of getting a grant. Very frustrating.

@wajopek2679 Год назад

Prioritise the customers who are not with Octopus, get them to change and collect the £50

@artisanelectrics Год назад

👍👍

@mattyboy7167 Год назад

I still can't believe that these energy suppliers pay us peanuts to feed the grid compared to what they charge us per KWH. If you've got the dollar get off grid , get the air source , solar and battery storage 🔋. Great video jordan 👍

@mikeselectricstuff Год назад

Grid export seems poor value for money for your solar investment due to the rates paid - seems like it would be better to go solar+battery with no export so you don't need MCS.

@hardave17 Год назад

So you lose 50 kg's before the wedding to fit in to your suit to find out the bride isn't actually turning up.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

😂😂😂

@artisanelectrics Год назад

😂😂😂

@UnfittedNoise Год назад

Love the battering MCS are getting at the moment. Im just a consumer, and am waiting on DNO for approval for my MCS registered installer to go ahead. Sounds like a money making scheme.

@goober-ll1wx Год назад

I think we should call a meeting with all the heads of the electrical industry and really try to explain to them how fking broken this industry is right now and it's only getting worse, they are all working in their own self interest and making this kind of work close to impossible...

@artisanelectrics Год назад

We definitely need to explain to them the big issues right now and show them that not much of this is benefitting electricians.

@goober-ll1wx Год назад

@@artisanelectrics none of it is, I just can't get over everything you've had to do, including the loss of income for it all to not even be needed so quickly 😭 You sure are determined, that would have sent me over the edge!

@idi0tdetectioninprogress Год назад

When they had discussions which rumbled on for YEARS, as to whether Smart Meters should have a built in isolation switch for electrical contractors, it tells you all you need to know! The industry has turned into a complete sh1tshow, EV and PV is the golden curly turd on top.

@goober-ll1wx Год назад

@@idi0tdetectioninprogress there are too many parties working in their own self interest, they all want to be the origination to set the regs, sell the books/courses and enforce fines. They are all trying to make money from it, so there is no incentive for them to stop. The industry really does need a massive overhaul but no one is ever going to do that, so we just grind on, another classic case of a Moloch system...

@olski001 Год назад

Do you have to export? Can you prevent it and store and manage your own energy? With V2H (supposedly) around the corner and over 100Kw of battery storage on my drive, why would I want to make back pennies?

@TheErador Год назад

This is literally ISO9001 by the back door

@SteveN-pw4dj Год назад

It's amazing how all these schemes to protect customers cost them a fortune. This green thing is one big con at the moment.

@VinoVeritas_ Год назад

It's not a con.

@SteveN-pw4dj Год назад

So why is it i can go to wolsleys and buy a vaillant heat pump for about 7k with my own plumber installing it of around a grand.... But i'm not allowed to because i cant get it certified.... 5 grand extra for a bit of paper.. Really...

@VinoVeritas_ Год назад

@@SteveN-pw4dj This is about solar PV installation, not heat pumps.

@SteveN-pw4dj Год назад

It's the same with them, I can't just let my electrician do it as he doesn't have the correct certificates. And it needs to be registered with the DNO which only a certified installer can do.

@VinoVeritas_ Год назад

@@SteveN-pw4dj Can you tell me which certification is required when applying for a G99 connection or making a G98 notification? ERECs G98 and G99 will help you.

@DIEMLtdTV Год назад

I remember the first "green deal" and how reputable contractors avoided and many less reputable (who are no longer trading) jumped on the bandwagon. MCS is another "industry within an industry" and exists to make money for the provider (such as the awful Constructionline) and I see clients get hammered having to be members of lots of schemes, even if they hold accredited certification to standards such as ISO 9001. I was talking to a heat pump installer this year and he says they aren't MCS certified and they make a good income setting up and carrying out remedial work installed by MCS contractors. If they did away with schemes like this and simply ensured contractors held accredited certification (via a UKAS cert body) it would be far more beneficial to the industry, the customers be flexible to meet NICEIC requirements, and is far more fun! (I need to get out more!).

@timahad5165 Год назад

So glad I never bothered with MCS (money collection services)

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Haha nice name

@judebrown4103 Год назад

Oh my goodness weren't there a lot of sticky fingers in that sustainable energy pie?! Not in the trade, just an interested customer but I so know that feeling of the world conspiring against you financially. We swore our next car would be EV and we'd get it used next (this)year once our mortgage finished. Then our old car got written off but things weren't as bad as we feared, the NFU insurance paid out quickly and very fairly enabling us to find the perfect used Ioniq 38kWh in a beautiful blue at a reasonable price...in August last year! It's now worth at least ten grand less than we paid for it... If we'd have been able to buy this year like we planned we'd have had to spend that much less. Turns out the car is fabulous, only a Premium, not the SE but really well specced and works for us much better than we expected. Getting around 7m/kWh at the moment too so couldn't possibly change it for that reason alone! I hope you recoup your unnecessary expenses somehow and well done Octopus for circumventing govt sanctioned extortion, better late than never! 👍

@wolvolad25 Год назад

Can understand the need to protect customers these systems aint cheap, but this is just killing business under mountains off totally over the top paperwork and quango funding

@mikeselectricstuff Год назад

Surprised that Octopus can unilateraly allow non-MCS export without DNO approval - isn't this supposed to be about safety? If so, surely the DNO have a say in it?

@fire_stick Год назад

i’m sure the DNO still have to be advised via the usual forms G99 form i think not sure, efixx just did a video covering it.

@AdrianWalker247 Год назад

Octopus Energy are planning to drop the need for MCS approval. Others will follow.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Possibly

@2391Sparks Год назад

I hear you Jordan I really do, the mind numbing bureaucracy weighs down on businesses far to much and I’ll bet there’s times you’re sat in the office thinking you can’t do right for doing wrong and that sucks but as for five hours of checking paperwork and ten minutes looking at installs? Of course you’re going to show me the perfect job with no issues you’ve been back to a couple of times to make it a bit better each time… Your paperwork tells me an awful lot more about your approach, the training your lads have had, your attitude towards your customers and your integrity….That’s very very important. Assessors can’t check every job but you can sit in the office for half a day and drill down into a lot more..You got accredited and you deserve it, I hope your business grows because of it…

@RicktheRecorder Год назад

Fascinating and revealing. Thank you. BTW 'install' is a verb, not a noun. In England it's an installation.

@gavjlewis Год назад

Getting rid of MSC will be the game charger for the solar business. Why are we currently using expensive electricians on roofs! You will be able to work with a roofing contractor so they can install the panels. They will be quicker and cheaper freeing up electricians so you can get more installs done per week.

@retroclickmedia4422 Год назад

Had this 30 years ago for BS5750, money for the boys

@Spark101. Год назад

Great news……although it looks like energy providers might move away from this scheme soon!

@artisanelectrics Год назад

We got it which is good but at the wrong time 🕰️

@gerardphillips7507 Год назад

So the latest info from Octopus is very interesting.... MCS no longer required

@glyn1782 Год назад

Yes you missed one thing mcs is not worth the paper it is printed on just like the dozens of others I call it abba ( money money money )

@JohnMcGing1 Год назад

As just a guy who'd be a customer, I realize you have a burden of paperwork but I'm not seeing anything I as a customer would be OK with you not doing. I want a warranty, a list of equipment installed, packets of info for me and any subsequent professionals who'd be dealing with my home and system, properly labeled setup, and confidence that you know what you are doing. Might be a burden to you but would you really be OK with providing a customer with less? Glitches not withstanding

@johnjones-priorityservices3094 Год назад

I understand your frustration, went through the process last year and got MCS - not worth the accreditation as I’ve fixed loads of bad MCS installs

@artisanelectrics Год назад

was a frustrating experience, at least for us anyway.

@James_Bowie Год назад

Bureaucracy gone mad. Yep, sounds like the nanny state that was once Great Britain.

@DBSUK Год назад

Good old gov', making things harder than it needs to be as usual.

@VinoVeritas_ Год назад

This has nothing to do with government.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

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@MrBobmeadows Год назад

I did and we got both got our £50 credit. Thx

@stevendequincey7215 Год назад

My "MCS" approved installer was a nightmare. Drilled holes directly into the slate roof, missing any rafters. They came back to repair the work but I'm not 100% convinced it was ever done properly. I had a 3rd party check the work as well. They also said they had a 10 year MCS guarantee, but then gave me a 2 year MCS guarantee. I queried it with MCS who just shrugged their shoulders and said they're only approved for 2 years, so there wasn't anything they could do!

@wolvolad25 Год назад

Money for old rope its a disgrace

@MrBobmeadows Год назад

Oh Jordan, now that hurts, but Octopus' decision is a game changer for MCS. I am sure you will use the best practices you have learned on the journey to enhance Artisan Electrics customer experience.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

It 100% is a game changer tbh but we will always deliver the best customer experience we can.

@jonwragg3822 Год назад

@@artisanelectricsassumes of course that the customer uses Octopus or even wants to change to Octopus.

@georgeneil440 Год назад

@jonwragg3822 It is only Octopus now but there will be others that follow their lead in the future

@remog38 Год назад

Just profiteering , i imagine this scenario is across the whole of society what a mess.

@lnostdal Год назад

This is why I go for an off-grid (hybrid inverter that doesn't feed back to grid at all; basically 0 paperwork needed here) and just use a Bitcoin miner to sell extra energy. 15kW, 30kWh. Leaning on government is just going to screw everyone over eventually IMO.

@UnitedSpotlight Год назад

Hasn't MCS just been nerfed by Octopus basically as far as im aware they have changed there policies and are now allowing non MCS installs to get SEG as far as im concerned this is a good thing MCS from what i have seen on installs does not mean quality. id just advise anyone getting an install to do research on the company they are using to make sure they do good work above anything else

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Yes the Octopus announcement has nerfed MCS a lot 👍

@paulizz Год назад

Try doing ISO 9001 :)

@SimplifyingChaos Год назад

Just like yourself but from a customer point of view, I have just had solar installed by a certified MCS installer because I needed the cert to register with Octopus. On one hand, I am frustrated, that Octopus have dropped the MCS requirement, because I could have saved a lot of money as I am more than capable of doing my own install. On the other hand, I really hope that by dropping the MCS it allows more people to have solar. I am a big advocate for solar and I think this will allow more of it. Talking on a plus point of the MCS, it is about process, planning and procedures, which I found really helped from our certified installers. As a customer we had all the info and specs of what was being installed. Having this information allowed us to relax and be assured that what we ordered was right for our home and usage. I know you feel you have gained your MCS qualification at the wrong time but I would look at the process as a whole and see what has improved the customer experience and then I guess you can drop the bits that you feel are not beneficial to you or the customer. I do have a prediction: although Octopus have dropped MCS as a requirement, what would stop insurance companies making it a requirement? Octopus has stated that "they" wont be held accountable for poor installs. Just a thought.

@VinoVeritas_ Год назад

MCS certification is not required by law. There's even a statement on its website stating such. Insurance companies were led to believe that MCS certification is some kind of guarantee, but just like Octopus Energy, they'll soon start to question it.

@AntonyoKnight Год назад

Efixx explained this much shorter (I understand RU-vid analytics) so it was quite informative. In future Solar installation certificate will be binned along with the ev charger installer course and the manufacturers provide free trainings for their products.

@highlandsparky Год назад

It’s not much different to NAPIT, NIC, SELECT etc, you can still carry out electrical works, without being in a registered body. Although being in one is beneficial for many reasons, you know you have correct insurances, valid insurances, as well as correct procedures in place.

@HYUKLDER1 Год назад

From what you say, it seems MCS is more like an ISO quality system standard rather than an engineering standard.

@SimplySketchyGT Год назад

Then along came Octopus Energy to shake things up 🤪 no more MCS required.

@leet3707 Год назад

As Octopus has just kicked MCS down the road and allowing any qualified electrician to install and connect a Solar PV system with access to their premium Export tariffs. It's about time this protectionism was removed and allow customers better choice without being ripped off by 'MCS installers'. No doubt many other SEG providers will follow suit and watch MCS fall by the wayside. I've seen many "quality assured MCS" installations that don't comply with Electrical Regs, let alone any MCS assurances. Good Riddance.. For any electricians, forget MCS, install Solar and tell your customers yo go with an Energy provider who thinks out the box on Grid Supply and Demand with intuitive tariffs that work for their customers and stick two-fingers to the whole scheme. My experience with MCS installers- Double the price... typical government bureaucracy..

@dama054 Год назад

With octopus energy you no longer need to be MCS sorry I put this comment up before watching all the video

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Hahaha that's okay lmao

@andyhill242 Год назад

Looking in from the outside, this looks like everything else in this country at the moment. A complete mess! I guess that when you have total incompetence right at the top, i.e. in the government, this just filters down through all other public sector organisations. {Places head in hands and shakes in dismay!]

@haydnlawrence8167 Год назад

Same thing happened over a decade ago. Sparky I know paid thousands for courses, registration and additional tools . Then after half a dozen installs , the government dropped the feed in tariffs, ending the solar install business overnight.

@lrolo8974 Год назад

Everybody has their hands in your pockets as a spark, it cost thousands before you even start

@toolboxtalking Год назад

You need to jump through the hoops sometime, Especially when it benefits you

@elslopez Год назад

it’s the very reason it took nearly 2 years to get my high powered solar and battery install done, paperwork paperwok paperwork… I think I went through three different project managers at SSE, just to have the incoming supply moved, so that they would even entertain approving solar. Though I wonder if not requiring “as much” certification now means off to the days of the wild west in terms of installations?

@mcirenew2157 Год назад

Don't stick it out with Pclip! I was with them years ago and stayed the course too long. It isn't worth it. Take the hit and shift. Easy MCS all the way.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Good to hear your input!

@misstertash1701 Год назад

I am yet to hear anyone receive anything from Octopus without an MCS certificate. (Apart form being put on a waiting list). Also, as much as I dislike the MCS process, I believe that removing the need for it would lead to even more poor installations. It would be interesting to see if they offer the top export deals or a lower one if you do not have an MCS certificate.

@MrBobmeadows Год назад

Definitely have heard of Octopus allowing non-MCS sites to get 'SEG' type payments. Actual clients who applied have documented the Octopus approval, explaining it was a little more extended at the time.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

It was definitely good for us to get MCS approved, just was at the wrong time

@misstertash1701 Год назад

We thought exactly the same thing as you to be honest. It was a little insulting how the assessor went through all of our paper work like we had committed a crime. Yet the he turned up at the job, said yeah that looks really nice and then went home. However I am still not 100% sure that loosing the MCS will be a good thing for the industry, unless it is replaced with something better obviously. @@artisanelectrics

@misstertash1701 Год назад

What export tariff were they allowed on? The same export as an MCS installation. Like FLUX for example? @@MrBobmeadows

@zenthor13 Год назад

So those solar panels mounted in the back ground are just what I thought I needed for my flat roof. Up here in Surrey / Kent I couldn’t find an installer interested in using that system - any advice please?

@jeffreypybus9553 Год назад

Your MCS review was spot on & 1 of the reasons I didn’t bother with renewables, more about paperwork than the installation so thumbs up to octopus energy

@slyteen2197 Год назад

These certification schemes are just about the money. They're not interested in quality.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

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@SparkyStew98 Год назад

its just a legal doccument that saves lawyers time arguing inn court about install and materials. whats the difference between an approved mcs contractor's install while he was day drinking on the roof usinng unistrut instead of approved rails and the small business electrical conntractors who put passion into their work. the drunk paid 2 grand not to get prosecuted 6 months later

@electrician247 Год назад

Manufacturers dictating what we need as installers can get in the bin! I am sick and tired of having to do this training have that badge etc... No! Simply manufacturer the equipment and sell it with detailed instructions to qualified electricians. The rest is NONE of their business. None. Totally agree on paperclip and HIES as well. Same mistake. I do think the focus is on the export payment but we need to remember the building regs aspect and insruance. I dont see MCS going anywhere due to that.

@markrainford1219 Год назад

Totally agree on 'if manufacturers' instructions are followed; then it will comply'. The regs even state that.

@VinoVeritas_ Год назад

That's what a Building Notice is for. No need for MCS.

@electrician247 Год назад

@VinoVeritas_ good luck with that in terms of cost and administration. Deluded if you believe it's easier outside of MCS on that front. Are you involved in construction? I agree the entire MCS process is a mess having just gone through it myself. But some serious misconceptions are in place. Not helped by some of these bodies it has to be said.

@VinoVeritas_ Год назад

@@electrician247 The idea of allowing a spark to notify under Part A of the Building Regulations just because they spent 4 days on a BPEC Solar PV course is absolutely ridiculous to begin with. Also, 99.9% of the time, nobody is carrying out a structural survey of the roof.

@electrician247 Год назад

@VinoVeritas_ it's true some of the structural engineer reports are not very good. But that's a separate issue MCS or otherwise. So irrelevant in context of this discussion. Again you said that's what building control is for... which is true but equally so is MCS and CPS for that matter on part P. I know which is lower cost and easier for installers and consumers. Its not the option you present. You are also making the mistake of assuming it is "just" electricians installing these systems. Very often involves the work, input and skills of roofing experts. This is when MCS and installer working correctly within that come into their own. I support deregulation generally. But this is not what is happening with octopus. That is just opening up the sale of energy between a supplier and consumer. Which is absolutely fine but a separate dynamic to how people like yourself are presenting it. Important to keep to what is actually going on and the mechanisms that apply whatever we think of them. 😉

@SolarResurrection 9 месяцев назад

Great octopus no longer require MCS approval.... I am just a DIY guy.. I might get thing running again...I decided solar not really worth it because all cost is in winter heating and you do not use much electric in summer.. But if I can export in the summer to offset winter cost solar might be worthi it.. Sure you will get more customers now octopus are offeing a decent rate of export...Thanks for info.

@chrisyoung7362 Год назад

Ocptopus are doing the right thing ridding MCS for SEG payments, more customers for them at the end of the day. The DNO need to tighten their belt, maybe allow financial penalties "cough Ofgem" for systems connected to the grid outside of theyre scope of approval otherwise people can manipulate more power to Increase SEG payments i.e adding more solar than capacity allows, surely disrupts harmonics of the grid? which is my opinion anyway

@andrewdoherty737 Год назад

MCS = Major Cash Scam

@Jim804 Год назад

Nice garden!

@theresistancesparks Год назад

Interesting to see you guys installed so many systems without MCS backing! In terms of alternatives - there is always the other government approved scheme for renewables with DNO gateway - Flexi-Orb?

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Glad you enjoyed the video! and glad you got what you wanted in the end.

@theresistancesparks Год назад

@@artisanelectrics So, if I understood that bit in the video correctly - when you register to MCS via NICEIC route you have to sign up to two separate schemes? One for PV and one for battery storage?

@artisanelectrics Год назад

Yes you would be correct

@oOoR1CH1EoOo Год назад

Both MCS and manufacturers are wrong. Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 Regulation 12 says otherwise

@sarahjrandomnumbers Год назад

And people wonder why I just DIY installed my battery system. Didn't want to spend an extra £3k on pointless red tape. DNO is happy with my G98 form, just waiting for Octopus to sort their stuff out so I can get an export MPAN. Now I just have to wait until some local sparky's (Leicester based) want to dip their toe into renewables, and are happy to throw 4 500w panels on my brick walled shed roof. Already got 500w on there, so rip them out, and over panel 2kw.:)

@lewistempleman9752 Год назад

try just whacking them in and not worrying about certification/paperwork etc

@don1estelle Год назад

MCS is just a way Slow down Solar Expoting! That's why it's so expensive tick boxing exercise! Good on Octopus! maybe when NCS Gose bust you can claim your Money back!

@richardmarkham8369 Год назад

MCS: Nice paperwork, shame about your leaking roof!

@stevoc4023 Год назад

Unfortunately, someone will get injured or worse by a dodgy Dave installer and then the regs will change and MCS requirement or similar will return. Customers will get crap work, possibly dangerous. I don't like the idea of having to pay for extra certification but ultimately, the cost gets passed on to the customer and the work is guaranteed.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

That is a good way to look at it 🤔

@tantanman2852 Год назад

@@artisanelectricsYou are one of probably a few companies who could get away without as you have proven your work over and over on RU-vid in a very public manner. Most electricians do not, and it’s very hard for an end consumer to really know whether company A or B will be a better choice in terms of quality as most of what you do goes over a regular persons head. Having MCS gives some sort of guarantee that as you say those companies have adequate processes internally. Surely for an electrician the electrical side is easier than the management and process side. After all that’s the main part of the job.

@michaeldickson3314 Год назад

This sounds like quality assurance ISO 9001 document control.

@andyhodchild8 Год назад

I always did my own qms based on the old Apendix A built out in an excel spreadsheet.

@nathanairey7795 9 месяцев назад

Hi Jordan, I see you used SPD's for the install at the Inverter side, did you also have them 10m from the Install as well as per reg 534.4. 4.2 or only the ones visible in the video?

@justme5384 Год назад

You know what license I need to install solar? Just the regular license I have that is one license, I can install anything below 1000VAC and 1500VDC and work as a electrician. And my employee's needs to have done a three year trade school or equivalent in trade working. They don't need any licenses or anything, I'm responsible for them

@musiqtee Год назад

For 90% of individuals living off wages (any non-capital income)… …Green is Grift. That’s *really* bad for ecology. 😔

@AUBigwozza 8 месяцев назад

Great Video. Even though I'm in Australia and about to install a 19K solar array I found this really useful. Down here we tend to rely on Finn Peacock of Solar Quotes for our info, but its good to to hear what is going on in "ol Blighty"

@markc5999 Год назад

MCS is a joke, I work for a solar installer whom only installs large scale installation, for those that do not know MCS is only for installs less than 50kWp we do not really do anything under 250kWp yet we still have to jump through the MCS hoops even though it is completely irrelevant for our installs. Basically means once a year we have to do a small system just so we can get audited each year. I believe one energy company now is now willing to buy your export without MCS - I wrote this before getting to the end of your video.

@bernardcharlesworth9860 5 месяцев назад

Yes also MCS. Needs to be simplified . Could be all done on a spreadsheet including items like risk assessment,wind loading, lightning assessment etc. Have had a customer ask me to look at his install and it also exposed that MCS not really working because 5 hrs of paperwork is not going into the tools making a nice job.

@davidc4408 Год назад

Electrician = guy who installs appliances (solar grids, Tesla charching units etc) and electric cables etc. Good paid blue collar job. Electrical Engineer = guy who works for a corporation who designs the appliances. Need a degree and sometimes masters in electrical engineering. Good paid white collar job. Electrician makes more money earlier while EE is at university, grad school etc. Later in career EE makes a lot more money and advantage is not physical on the body. The electrician is usually worn out towards mid age. Advantage of electrician, no need for multiple degrees in EE and get to work outside , different environments , more hands on etc. Both have adv and disadvantages

@benjaminvivar7855 Год назад

8:25 Here in the States we follow the manufactures instructions, Why ? Because Lawyers can also read. But… if it’s an added safety issue it will be in the code and manufacturers Will eventually install according to National Electrical Code.

@ianbeck5897 Год назад

Being honest, as a customer, what you stated in your video gave me some confidence that installers have been measured to meet a certain standard and that by conforming, there is a chance that the installation will be reasonable. Obviously, this doesn't police what actually happens on site, but it does establish a standard that many installers will work to. As a retired electrical engineer, I understand what is and is not safe, at least in my specialism. The average customer wont be in a position to do that so benefits from the overseeing of some outside agency. If MCS is fit for purpose is another matter - but what you have described makes sense to me, even if it may appear over the top. Having run my own business I do appreciate that accreditation comes with significant cost and that this comes off the bottom line. I also get that many of these licences and certificates are basically quangos that seem to offer nothing. It is, however, how the wheels of commerce work and buys a seat at the table and the customer ends up paying for these but, in return, gets some assurance that the installer meets some common standard, even if cowboys find a way around it. As for Octopus - they are forward thinking and realise that there are many ways to get revenue, some not involving MCS. It's fine if you are an Octopus customer to not have an MCS install. However, if you are not or if you choose to move, it may be that another energy supplier requires an MCS approved installation so the customer is stuffed if MCS is not stamped.

@garysavage5675 Год назад

I have solar panels fitted by a flexi-orb installer who fits solaredge after your video this morning I have contacted Octopus again and they said they need to be fitted my an MCS installer so I still cannot get an export tariff from them (so fekin angry 😡)

@zombiestyled Год назад

Surely mcs was linked to Fit payment scheme. Where your return wasn't completely linked to your actual generation. As that died it's about time mcs went too. A crap install will get you little return. And that's how it should be.

@t67m Год назад

I tend to agree. My solar system by an "approved" installer was poorly done, overheated and failed after 15 months. They did repair it, but it was nearly a consumer unit fire, and there was consequential damage to other systems.

@artisanelectrics Год назад

That's concerning to hear. It's crucial that "approved" installers maintain high standards, especially for something as critical as solar systems. Safety should never be compromised.

@davidvale8968 Год назад

Meanwhile your competition has been in quoted and installed paid for solar install in the same job your still doing paperwork.

@markbriggs6786 Год назад

Again it’s a closed shop more paper bull shit this needs to be simplified and what they should be doing is proper monitoring and regular inspections to ensure the installations are safe and competent. This is what they should be spending the money on . We are stifling our industry and country with ridiculous and stupid paperwork , some one is raking in the cash and the customer is suffering in their pockets .

@robintodd3901 Год назад

Feel like that with nic and select and why I won’t become a member. It stops no cowboys and both bodies ain’t interest in receiving complaints of there members.

@tomf4547 Год назад

Anyone know of a more expensive electrician? Long live DIY 😂

@rich1483 Год назад

So how much money to get the registration for a small buisness?

@techtactics788 Год назад

Let's talk about why DC isolators vs DC breakers?

@davewebster4246 Год назад

2 minutes in and I still don't know if you did or did not get accredited. Glad MCS is going away.

@livingladolcevita7318 Год назад

I had a similar experience when I was working being told I had to have N.V.Q's, no value qualifications as I call them, to do my job. Care work. Anyway I refused but was told I would lose my job, so I said when was the cut off time to start the process and was told 5 years time. Ok will make a start in 5 years. Fast forward 2 years and the scheme was abandoned due to lack of funding. What a joke.