I would prefer to deal with an actual tailor. Ideally an older man with a tape measure hung around his neck and a wristband pin cushion. This woman probably knows nothing about tailoring.
The way suit supply went about putting a whole suit together was just awesome. Very detailed and knowledgeable, definitely a place i will visit to buy my next suit
Hi, I liked your video very much. A few constructive comments if I may. The Tom Ford suit is made in Switzerland in the Zegna factory. Its all Zegna with Tom Ford design. I like his suits and the construction although as you mentioned every celeb is wearing the same model. 2 button SB peak with tix pocket. I think yours could have a slightly better fit. The Suitsupply suit had great fabric, one of my favorite mills Fratelli Tallia di Delfino. They are one of the top Italian mills that is not as well known as some others like Loro Piana, Zegna, Reda or Vitale Barberis Cononico or even Drago. Scabal is in a different realm. The suit however, made in the PRC, is not worth $1500, just like Hugo from Boss was not worth the $500. Suitsupply for $500-$700 I can see, but not their custom. They make huge profit on that, probably cost them about $300-$450 with the vest (Im not a fan of DB vests). The salesperson was great, If I were still on Madison and Fifth Ave, in my shops I would hire her in a minute. Hugo Boss has gone way down over the years, even the main line. Poor quality and high price. I was the largest retailer of Boss in NYC during the 1990s when it was made in Germany and Switzerland. I think you missed an important segment before going up to the $3800 price of Tom Ford and that is Canali. You did mention it. Canali has the most consistent and universal fit of any garment in the market. They are only made in Italy and only use Italian products. Its a family owned business since its inception and they run a tight ship. For a mostly hand made garment, it is the best priced and best fitting product out there. I was the first importer of Canali to the USA, before it was called Canali. Brioni is out there as well, but it has a certain look, very strong shoulder, slightly older customer. Brioni was always the standard for Italian hand made suits. I could go on but don't want to take up too much space in your comments, reach out if you like I have worked with all these brands and more and been to their factories. Take care and looking forward to watching more of your luxury lifestyle.
Super throughout comment and appreciate all your feedback. Agreed with you on majority of these points. My dad is a die hard Canali guy and can wear them off the rack with literally zero alterations. Would love to dip my feet into that brand eventually. You seem super knowledgeable about all this. Would love to hear more about your background if you ever have a minute!
Agreed. Canali is a great quality product for the price. I would never recommend Huge Boss or Suit Supply to anyone, or even Tom Ford. Maybe this video could be remade with the best brands in each price category.
@@Vasil_Hristov Cavour seems to be a private label shop in Oslo Norway. I was in Norway last summer but in the north in Tromso. They sell other Italian brands as well as their own. I dont know who makes it for them. It looks very well made & should be for the prices they are asking. Pini Parma has stores in Europe. They have nice fashion & fabrics all Italian. It’s well priced because it’s probably manufactured in the south near Bari or somewhere there. Clothing is cheaper. It’s not made like Brioni or Attolini or even Canali. Hope that helps.
The TF suit doesn't even fit well. Huge collar gap, outrageous divots in the sleevehead, wrinkly sleeves (too small), wonky shoulder construction, comically huge lapels in comparison to his small frame, I could go on. In short, I would be so pissed. Every salesperson he talked to was so eager to add "bespoke" details without nailing the fit first, taking advantage of a young inexperienced customer with senseless customisation. The guy evidently has a good amount of disposable income, he can afford a tailor who will be able to educate him on the basics of a good fit first.
@@francescabrega7864THANK YOU. Even if you can't spot those details, you'll notice something's off just by how often he kept readjusting the jacket. That need to constantly do that, does not happen with a jacket that fits well.
Honestly, not crazy about the Tom Ford. Shoulder divots, collar gap. I think I’d expect a suit at that price to drape better too. Way more bang for your buck with Suit Supply.
Tom Ford makes exceptional suits. Ermenegildo Zegna provides their ateliers or tailors that construct each suit by hand. Full canvas construction with all the handwork that commends a bench made suit. The most common fits being Windsor, Shelton and O'Connor (Tom Ford wears the Windsor himself). In my view, the Windsor fit is the most classic and elegant which features a fuller chest, roped shoulder and wide peak lapel. This is inspired by English Style tailoring from the houses on Savile Row. As well, the trousers are full and cover the dress shoe/boot. This is traditionally how suits were made in the 20s,30s and 40s (super comfortable with lots of mobility). If you can afford a TF suit/jacket, it is quite the treat if you appreciate suiting and durable like a suit should be. I have owned Suit Supply and I find the trousers and jackets do not have the same construction quality and wear pretty easily. As well, their template/cut of suits are very trim and it can be hard to find a suit that is comfortable if you aren't a model size. Generally, sleeve length and trouser length will be short off the rack. Appreciate the video, and enjoy the suits!
Almost everyone wears their sleeves too long so I disagree that off the rack is short. Most men wear off the rack and most men have too much sleeve. You rarely see a proper 1/4 to 1/2” cuff showing.
@@f.kieranfinney457 depends on the suit brands. Some brands like Tom Ford comes with unfinished cuff (no buttons and button holes are sewn on), this allows the cuff to be adjusted easily (is free with TF) Vs shortening the sleeves via the shoulder crown which cost a lot more with a lot more work.
Great video! Nothing better than exploring and appreciating a somewhat lost art of tailoring. Suits will always be the best piece of apparel a man/woman can get.
As someone who's been extremely lucky enough to have been wearing Tom Ford suit since 2009 and also own suit supply (RTW) Tom Ford suits has very different cut to Suit supply. I own multiple cuts from both brands but what set Tom Ford apart is the amount of canvasing and shaping it has underneath the jacket which help "shape" the jacket. even half canvas you can feel the difference between the two. Another observations which I don't think the vid had mentioned is arm holes, TF has very high arm holes where it helps further accentuate the hour class "or nip in the waist" (as TF calls it) and it further hugs your body more. The trousers are high waisted but with a curved side pocket which sits flatter on your legs when warn, is a detail not many people notice or companies do.
Most TF suits cost similar or more than having a suit fully custom made from a top tailor. The only negative is time to manufacture. It’s not smart IMO to buy a suit that expensive from any fashion brand. You’ll always over pay, except at 50%. (I used to work for RL Canada). Imagine paying $8k for a suit and stepping into a Manhattan elevator to see the identical suit heading to the same floor. Brutal. Suit Supply only fits a very athletic body. They’re not easy to tailor post sale but their custom fit system does a good job for the price. Fabrics are…fine. Spier McKay is a decent alternative for a more traditional suit.
@@f.kieranfinney457 I agree.. Hence why I don't buy brand new TF or buy them during sales only. 2nd hand is like 20-30% of retail. I have looked at all most tailors at Savile Row + London , the only tailor I like Michael Browne. A lot of the tailors are pretty boring and is not even classic boring. I have been toying going to Naples as I believe English tailorkng are just too structure. I wouldn't touch RL unless is Purple label, but his cut and cloth IMHO are just not as fitted and draped like TF. Windsor (Base A) for me is what I prefer to wear with TF as other cuts can be a bit too narrow as I work out a bit. TBH, I never ever had anyone that worn the same TF suit as me, except TF staff where they wear as uniform, which I Iove. Maybe I am in the wrong part of the country/area, but I work and live in London but not in banking.
Aivy is an amazing style consultant. She fitted me for my first linen/wool/silk blended suit and it fits me perfectly. She has also fitted my wife for three pairs of trousers that look great on her. A consummate professional with a wealth of knowledge on selecting features for a suit. I look forward to working with her again. Gorgeous suit from SS Asim. Congratulations.
i plan on travelling 6 hours to a city to get a suit from suitsupply. i live in an area where the only place i can get a suit is from a big box store and i wouldn't trust the salesmen there in a million years. i really do appreciate this guide. god bless and stay safe
great job I've got a new found respect for suit supply especially because of the service you got and showed you might want to hit them up for sponsorship as I doubt that I'm the only viewer that's less apprehensive about giving them a try for my next suit and everything I've currently got is fully tailor made 🙏🏽👍🏽
@@ABC-rh7zc They're in reality highly customisable MTM, built off a standard pattern. Very few places are doing bespoke anymore, none for $2000, unless its someone thats very new trying to make a name for themselves. $2000 is only just covering the cost of high end fabrics.
@@lachyt5247 good English/Italian materials cost more like $700 unless you opt for crazy high super numbers or exotics. The remaining $1300 for 65 hours work comes out to $20 per hour. Not a lot, but in a low cost area that's already a livable income.
Great video about suits, in the end it’s how you feel wearing your clothes, whether designer or off the rack. BUT Remember Rich people buy Assets, Poor people buy Things.
There's a brand based in Paris that I buy suits from that is cut better than that Tom Ford suit for less than $300. My fear is they're gonna become so popular that their prices are going to skyrocket so I've started buying them in bulk.
Slight collar gap on the Tom Ford, but the back does look nice and smooth (except for the vents). I would also leave more room in the jacket waist, might be more comfortable.
No doubt in my mind suit supply is the best suit for the price point in the world 🌎 and couple that with trained sales advisors, beautiful store interiors , diverse rtw and made to measure products, fresh hip styling light years ahead of older brands, best fabric mills, vast selection of fabrics , most options in sartorial details
Nice video, but I think you might be missing much of the mid-range. There are dozens of excellent brands (primarily italian) that offer fantastic value in the $1 to $2.5k territory. If you are looking for something trendy, then by all means stick to the cheaper brands. As a rule, id stay away from designer labels (Prada, Tom Ford, DG, etc). They are marked-up tremendously and often come in styles that will go out of fashion in a few years. If you are going to spend >$2.5k on a suit, make sure its a renowned brand that specializes in suits e.g. Kiton, Oxxford, Attolini. Celebrities buy brands like Tom Ford, because they want to be assured of being on-trend. Such suits often make the rest of us look like we are "trying" too hard, while a great non-trendy well-fitting suit looks effortlessly cool.
I got my suit tailor in Melbourne AUS, it’s an old Italian tailor hand stitch everything with another Italian tailor in his 70s 3 pieces was like 4000 USD excl fabric. I brought Scabal lapis lazuli fabric myself
The Tom Ford suit appears to awkwardly crease and bunch around your upper arm in various poses. Is that noticeable as you wear it and just a function of the cut?
I definitely think I rushed putting the coat on filming this and didn’t adjust the sleeves well which caused the wrinkles. Oversight on my end for sure. It does have very structured shoulders.
Got my first custom suit for ₹9000 (~110$) And folks here are dissing a 500$ one (Twice the average monthly income here) And we all live on same earth 🌚
Awesome video as always! Would be interesting to see a general comparison between some of the top luxury clothing brands like Brunello Cucinelli, Brioni, Zegna and Giorgio Armani. Pretty similar in price and fabric quality (or so I've heard). Would also love to see a video on dress shirts, loafers, oxfords, coats, belts at different price points. Greetings from Norway :)
Glad you liked it. I’d definitely like to do this eventually but I’m sure it’d easily turn into a super expensive video. I plan on doing one for every men’s basic eventually so thanks for the recommendations!
i can already tell you: armani is shit compared to other luxury brands... in case of suiting most of the most renowned luxury brands aren't even good at suiting... you'll get better fit, cut and sometimes fabrics from Boggi Milano than Armani. And Boggi is a tick more pricey than suitsupply
Honestly my Zegna suits can't hold a candle to some of my suit supply suits. But honestly, for that TF price tag, you should go full bespoke horse hair the whole nine.
You can get a boss suit for half the price on outlets, even their premium lines that they sell in store (made in italy ones) if you wait 1 yr you can get it for much cheaper
The reason why the Tom Ford is "better" is indeed because the time they have and give you in fittings. Suit Supply has delivery fit and they can alter some there and then. But they need to nail te measurements right away otherwise they can't really keep up. Tom Ford or a custom suit maker like there are all over the world in Italy, UK. They have that special thing. If you can you should try Huntsman or Henry Poole or one of the others in that street. The whole experience is just wow and tops it for me. And yes they are expensive as well.
The biggest problem I have with Tom Ford is it doesn't work with very sloped shoulders. Because the suit tries to force you into the triangle shape it can really dig into your armpits.
Tom Ford is amazing. I have been to the stores in LA and Vegas, and they treat you like a king. I know they are very expensive, but honestly you look like a boss in that grey Windsor. If you can manage it financially, I say splurge and go for it.
You should spend a little money and get a suit supply suit if you wear suits a lot. Those off the rack suits from the big stores are great for people who don’t wear suits much at all, so long as you know what to look for in a suit you can find something good. After $1,000 you should only be getting Bespoke suits.
14:23 The fabric on the arm under the (your) left shoulder divots. That doesn't seem like the right fit or construction, especially for a $4,000 suit. Did anyone else notice that? I am just learning about suits, so I am open to feedback.
Why would you go through the time it takes for a bespoke suit . The price etc of the rack as long as the shoulder is right all the alterations can be done in a week . If you live in Perth Australia do your self a favour visit Marchesi Menswear Northbridge
because a bespoke suit is still in a completley different class?! also they adjust WAY more than "all the alterations"! some alterations can't be even made... also if you go bespoke and you gain more weight, the tailors have always kept that in mind and can adjust it because of the additional fabric pressed inside the suit. try bespoke and you'll see what i mean.
Custom tailored suits are the ones you have to go for. Because they are made for your size and body shape and will suit you the most. Everything else will never be a 100% fit Doesn’t matter if Tom Ford or not and just for the records if you want to have proper suits have a look at Kiton or Brioni my friend or even Suits from the savile row those guys made suits longer than even Tom Ford exists
Love the undefined look of the salesperson. Touches of both genders, but very well put together. Masculine clothes and hairdo, but worn feminine and female accessories. Confident personality. If the video did not state she's female, would have left it in the middle.
Hello, my friend, very good video. Nice to watch. But honestly for the kind of money you spent on the Tom Ford suit. I will highly advise you to check your collar again. It's a big gap around your neck area. And that should NEVER happen for this value and I'm quite surprised They didn't catch that. Nice channel for sure
Unless you are a CEO or going to a Wedding, large peak lapels are too over the top. Double vents also look awful, unless you are in very good shape, but even than, if wind blows, it looks bad like a flying carpet. Calvin Klein at Macy's is probably best you can get for the money. Modern styles that are not too loud and sleeves already usually short enough, not requiring alternations.
Excellent vid young man. (I’m 63). Just moved to a group that wears suits. I’ll miss being in casual work attire for the pas 25 years but when I wear a suit it should be the best quality one can afford. Thanks in return a new subscriber and a like. Good job 👍
It is one of my dreams to own a Tom Ford suit. Love the brand. One question that I have is why shouldn't someone make a bespoke Tom Ford styled suit with Loro Piana's fabric? Would it be better? More expensive? Would one be better vs the other or similar?
I’d be willing to bet it’d cost around the same. The brand definitely makes you pay a premium for the name but there are subtle things that make a TF suit a TF suit that’s hard to replicate. I tried recently with my wedding tux but it fell short in more ways than one
Will you be making a video on the bamboo shirts from Days of September? There amazing! Mine came in and I wore it to work today. Better than ESNLS bamboo so far.
@@asim definitely but I am more of a product guy than of a service guy treat me like cra* and give me good product and good price rather than serving me bad stuff and being a good salesman. Whatever having both is better
My favorite was the Suit Supply suit. The shoulder pads on the Tom Ford looked too firm. The vents on the back looked like an apron for your butt. The zig zag lines from the lapel and pockets looked too busy and not symmetrical.. To me the better value and better fit and tailoring makes Suit Supply the winner. Mostly personal preference. You look great in all of them.
Tom Ford, so essentially you ask to an Italian mill later converted to tailor (Soft shoulder, natural waist) as Zegna to make an off the rake/made to measure suit following an English fit (Strong shoulder, sharp waist suppression) at the double price of standard Ermenegildo Zegna suit, which sells around 2-3K (just to pay the allegedly design of Tom Ford). I could understand to go pret à porter for the gimmick of fancy fabric as vicuna blend or similar but it is not the case. If you like that standard English look, why don't you go directly to Saville Row to have a proper bespoke English suit for roughly the same cost? At least for sure you won't have that collar gap at 18:00. Do we really need to discuss the difference between a bespoke and off the rack suit? I understand it is a pain to go there for 3 seats but with trunk show they travel around. Anyway, plenty of Neapolitan and Milanese tailor do bespoke less than 5K.
