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Reach out to your son. He was 12, probably angry and probably spent the last 12 years being told you're a bad person. My dad never reached out and I was 11 when he walked out on me. From my perspective I always thought it was him that needed to fight for my acceptance and attention, forgiveness and by the time I became an adult I felt I never needed him in the first place. However, if he called and apologised to me and was genuinely sincere about it, I would have probably met him, sadly that's never happened. You'll regret it if you never try...
@@slattisreal you are so right. My dad passed away 2 months ago while he was trying to have a relationship with me I denied it. I believe the lies my mom told me over my dad's truth finding out months later too late. A lot of times us as children we will convict our fathers without hearing the whole truth. I hope and pray Ross take your advice .
100% reach out and don’t give up as it took me 27 years to be able sit down with dad to realise what he went through to understand not to hate and it mad about his actions and to accept the repercussions of his life to who he became. It takes an adult to understand life and put our self in other persons shoes. Not that, that’s an excuse but we can understand more as adults to make our own decisions and assumptions. As as a child we take on what our loved ones think around us may it be wrong or right
My dad was very present in my life. He was my hero. I understand that some are not as fortunate as me. This young man doesn’t know what he’s missing out on. Your dad is capable of being a hero. What a guy!
@@frederickhenley8897 I believe that children learn from their parents. So if a parent demonstrates to the child that he/she is not worth putting aside their fears to try to develop a relationship with that child, the child will definitely internalize that and would not know how to start the relationship with the parent. I believe the onus is on the person who has the most power in that relationship, i.e., the parent. My sister's daughter was prevented from spending time with my sister. My niece were told a lot of lies by her father. He tried everything within his power to keep my niece from my sister. My sister had to go to court so that she could be with her child. Anyone who has had to depend on the courts to decide who their child should live with knows it is a nightmare. Family members encouraged my sister to not bother with fighting in court, and to wait until her daughter was grown up to try to connect with her. My sister wanted my niece to know that she would do anything to have her in her life, however, my niece still rejected her. My sister's efforts paid off eventually, though, because my niece is 28 years now and she and my sister are very close. She's old enough now to say that she wanted to be with her mom (my sister), but was too scared to ask because she felt like it would have made her dad angry.
This has to be everyone’s worse nightmare, being falsely accused of the most unforgivable crime and everyone you cared about not believing you. I remember I once read a news article online years ago about how a man survived a death row sentence after he was falsely accused of assaulting woman and then brutally murdering her and nearly every single evidence pointed at him and despite taking a polygraph test to prove his innocence, he was still convicted. Apparently the crime happened around a time when there wasn’t that much forensic science and he also had a history of untreated cardiac problems so he looked guilty as sin at the time and the poor man did not get released from prison until he was old and frail. Thankfully somebody heard his pleas and decided to get the case reopened with modern forensic work and he requested another test which actually showed he was innocent but the poor guy will never ever get the 70 years of his life back, it’s truly heartbreaking 😢💔
Awesome guy! I'd say he's very emotionally intelligent so I'm surprised he is worried about reaching out to his son. Anyone would be lucky to have a dad like this I'm sure.
Wow!! 2 hours flew by!! Didn't want it to end. Raphael's story should be a movie. Captivating from start to finish. Thank you Steven. This podcast is changing lives.
I agree. Why haven't they done a movie on this guys life. This story is incredible, and I'd love to know more on how he stayed so strong every day and night fighting in that prison for his freedom.
I agree it would be a very powerful life changing experience,I then would like to see a film to expose all those involvement in having a hand or even a finger in knowing to their core that he was framed and used as a scapegoat due to the colour of his skin and upbringing as an excuse to pin it on him. As you’ve not going to find a white educated person who where brought up in a upper class manner . I honestly don’t know how these people sleep at night to be honest, the guilt would eat me alive how ever I don’t lie either.🫶🏻fifi
He’s describing a world that runs parallel to the rest of the world. I was sent to jail because somebody lied and the police believed her story without even investigating because, just like Raphael’s case, if they had done their job of investigating, the truth was right under their noses. I had to rebuild my life, and rebuild my business after paying thousands to the lawyers. Now, I’m launching a tech company and will take that same technology to benefit those of us who have found ourselves without a home. Thank you to both of you
I’m sorry that there were years of your life that got taken from you 😢 but what a powerful ending to your story that you took back what was robbed from you and did something good with it for society. Very moving!
Wow can you share ? Im terrified of becomeing homeless. Ive thought i donr the right things ffollowed 5he rules now im in a legal battel that could leave me homeless
My dads in prison. I used to visit him a lot years ago but its become too hard for me lately, ive even become afraid to answer his calls . Hearing Raphael's story has struck a cord with me and allowed me to come to a few realisations i was too afraid to allow myself to realise.
Good to hear. But what did u realize??? That u need to visit him more or talk to him more, or some inner personal stuff???? Hope all is well for u n ur family in 2024.
Excellent podcast. Reminds me of the miscarriages of justice witnessed by many Irish men and women over the years of the troubles. Dehumanised every step of the way. Glad that these conversations are able to take place. Gang life, racism, terrorism an reasons why. Great work Steve and all the team. Amazing! Thank you.
omg it’s just sickening to the stomach how humans can treat other humans this way . My dad was a racist he was a taxi driver an I grew up listening to him saying he would not pick a black person up in his cab . As I grew up I only realised how disgusting this is to treat another human like this just because the colour of there skin .
Wow, his story should be a movie. Loved every minute of this interview. His love story with his wife made me tear up. So much food for thoughts here 👏🏼👏🏼
Kudos to Steven Bartlett for being such a non judgemental person. You really honoured and respected this man in a dignified way. Beautiful interviewing skills too.
Wow... the diversity of this content just gets better and better. These are the types of stories we need to hear and I'm glad this is over 2 hours. Thanks guys. I'll be commenting again when I'm done.
OMG unbelievable they charged board out of his compensation. Fantastic interview and such a lovely man. I am so glad you had an epiphany and changed your life for the better and I hope your son listens to this podcast.
I've been watching Inside The World's Toughest Prisons and I was so moved and happy that someone is raising awareness. I love Raphael and he is such an inspiration. When I saw today that you posted this I got so excited almost jumped of my chair. Thank you!
He really does his best to humanize and make you feel sympathy for some of the worst people and its given me a different perspective on prison and sentences etc...
He needs to reach out to his son. He is the parent, it is his responsibility. He says he feels it is up to his son to reach out, but as he mentioned that is due to fear. That is a chance he has to take. His son is probably thinking if he really cared about me, he would fight for me. It’s sad. We can never really imagine what he went through being wrongly accused.
Absolutely true because Although my father wasn’t wrongly convicted he does have my number and I’m pretty sure feels that I should reach out and I refuse because as you said he is the father. His responsibility. His mistake to correct IF he wants right? 🤷🏽♀️
@@raia9I think people need to be educated about Mr. Nelson Mandela. He was not imprisoned for being a black man. He was imprisoned for being a terrorist. He made bombs and bombed innocent civilians in a church. Yes, he was justifiably angry, because of the apartheid system, but he was a violent young man. He was incredibly intelligent, and became a lawyer during his confinement. He spent some years in a cell, but for the majority of his imprisonment, he was moved into a three bedroom house, in a different location, where, yes, he was confined, but had all the facilities and amenities, of a normal household, and being looked after by two prison wardens, who prepared his meals, and ensured that his laundry was done, and he made friends with his wardens, and was not mistreated by them, and had all his needs attended to, during those years. However, for 27 years of his life, he was unable to be free. When he was released, he eventually became president of South Africa, and he was, by his own admission, a calmer and more forgiving man, in his later years. When I was sixteen, he lived in the street where I lived, and there he and a friend stayed, and manufactured bombs, to be used in terrorist activities. This was approximately 70 years ago, and he was living in an area, during the apartheid era, in an upmarket area. Please make sure your facts are correct, and people are not misinformed.
What a story, I did a long term sentence, I was guilty of it, I couldn’t begin to think how I would cope with it knowing that I was an innocent man, well done on coming out the other side, as you know some don’t make it. 🙏
Sooooooo happy you had Raphael on! I’m 1 hour and 38 minutes in and I don’t want the conversation to end. Such a powerful conversation 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thanks Steven
Absolutely glued to this interview. Absolutely incredible story and Raphael is a captivating storyteller. So glad he pursued his innocence and is here to share his story. Wow.....
The empathy and vulnerability demonstrated throughout this podcast - but particularly when talking about Raphael's son - was truly incredible to see. Such an insightful, and deeply moving, podcast. Thank you so much for sharing.
Raphael tells his story with such love for everyone in it and love and acceptance for the young man he was. Its obviously taken him a long time and a lot of introspection to get where he is , but what an unbelievably sound person he has become.
What a fantastic interview 👏 I have watched this man over the years never knowing his past. I'm glad he got his wrongfull convection overturned. He certainly went onto bigger & better things in life & helping others. What a articulate, intelligent humble man he turned out to be. Glad he is happy & has gone on to have a family of his own. I hope one day he finally gets to meet his son. ❤
I got chills as soon as the introduction was running! how a person can build so much resilience to fight is unbelievable. Well done for showing another face of injustice in UK and the power of fighting.
This was a powerfully, immersive conversation. Thank you Raphael for sharing what happened to you. And how you pieced your life back together. I love your warror spirit. I remember this case as it was the same time of studying my law degree. We were all troubled by this. Continued blessings for your life.
I agree, hard to understand I get that they were there & given that, but when in those situations those costs should be waivered surely, 2 wrongs do not make a right !!
Seeing this interview, I was brought to tears, not just by the tragedy of his wrongful imprisonment, but that my own story was able to relate to that feeling of unfairness, shouting into the wind and where nobody listened. Mine was the medical institutions, not the legal one. But his 10 years equalled to my 10......but I was able to open my doors, was familiar with technology etc. My heart goes out to this man and my admiration follows in how he has used his own experience to free others in the restrictions they might face.
I accidently stumbled onto this. RU-vid autoplay. This interview was brilliantly done and put together. What an interesting guy. But also the conversation back and fourth, just brilliant.
What a great reminder of why I watch podcasts 90% of the time. Tragic, beautiful, insightful, inspiring… little capsule of humanity wrapped up. Well done, and thank you. 🙏🏼
I just finished toughest prisons on netflix a few days ago and right after I thought to myself I wish Steven would bring him on as a guest and who would’ve guessed a few days later I see this episode posted! It’s as if you can read our mind… Such an incredible episode👏🏽
Putting people and animals in cages doesn’t work. Mental health in prisons needs to change. The goal is to get them back into society and be productive and not hurt others. The prisoners who can’t be changed don’t need to be treated with abuse either. They are there to keep society safe and their punishment is their loss of freedom. It’s not society’s job to seek revenge on people. We can do better.
Absolutely love this episode!! Probably one of the best episodes so far, although ‘The Diary of a CEO’ never fails to amaze me, so looking forward to hearing more stories like Raphael’s.
I appreciate this man's struggles. Especially how kind he is when describing his father, especially, when his father was so cruel. That is a man with a "Good soul". I wish nothing but the best for this man.
I am from SE London and understand completely the upbringing, you have to get out to grow into a balanced person especially when you have been subject to Child abuse. Just want to hug Raphael, what an amazing man. I do hope he gets to meet his boy.
I might be being harsh or judgemental, but I came from a poor council estate environment too. I didn't shoplift, or break into people's homes and steal. We all have a choice. And it's horrific for ppl to be burgled. Turned off after this bit. In my opinion people sometimes use their past as an excuse for their own actions.
climb down from your sanctimonious high horse🤨.. Just because you were poor but didn't "steal" or "break" into peoples home doesn't make you morally superior to this man People make choices based on the options that they have, based on the (real or imagined) realities shaped by the context of their situation. Maybe your options were such that there was no need for you to break into peoples homes or "shoplift" ..maybe (even though you were "poor") you (relatively speaking) were on a slightly higher rung of the socioeconomic ladder and therefore you had more options.
I have to agree. During that part, I felt he didn't convey ownership of his actions at that point in his life. Instead, he speaks like those were things that happened to him, that others were leading him astray. Everyone has a story, his upbringing is far from the worst. He made bad choices. No one made him do what he did.
This is an amazing interview. I am a huge fan of his Netflix series and always wanted to know more about him. Thank you Steve & team! Cheers from the US!
Love Raf . Love hearing his story . His voice is so soothing , he could do a meditation vid to help people relax. Thanks for the interveiw it's amazing. New to your channel after seeing small clues on fb . New sub . Keep up the interveiw Steve. Your brilliant.
This channel always amazes me. The people I see on here and the stuff I hear from them is phenomenally life changing. Raphael is so real,I hope his son reaches out to him. Just brilliant!
Watching this as a criminloogy student, i have always been interested in the experances that Raphael has been through having watched his netflix documentary and read up on his case and wrongful convictions. This podcast has really enlightend me to the real aspects of the criminal justice systems and how the public views convicted criminals wrongful or not. It has made me consider writing about this as a dissertation, possibly how the media and police officers can hider investigations into cases both accurate convicions and wrongful ones. This story needs to be shared for people to understand that you understand the individual before making judgments whatever the circumstances!!
I'm a bit late to the party, but I've just recently found your channel, so I'm playing catch up! I first saw Raphael on Netflix, and I enjoyed his presentation of the prison documentary. Hearing more of his personal side goes to show what a truly great guy this man is. It's easy for me to say, but if his son hasn't reached out yet, nows the time ❤
Wow, He went through so much and has overcome so much. I feel his soul's journey was to endure those many hardships. I feel his soul accepted this life mission, pre-birth. The injustice inflicted on him has placed him on an important reformation path. Praying for his continued growth, happiness, and peace. 🙏
Didnt mean to watch the whole things at all but once i started I couldn’t help but be captivated and inspired with the conversation and the individual stories Raphael had to share. This podcast continues to bring me in as an audience to topics that are new, interesting and building. thank you Steve for creating this space for different topics to be had. Life truly happens at so many different levels for us people which is amazing. Great stuff !!!!!!!
As a nurse I can relate with this man very much. I have nurses many people who were handcuffed to their bed and guards in the room. Your right about treating people as humans, and to spend time reinventing themselves. If you can’t be a role model then create yourself to be one.
What a life story and what an amazing human. What he said about forgiveness is so true, we don't have to forgive people in order to move on and recover, it's not necessary. I have personal experience and can speak with some conviction on this. Well done Raphael, for all you have achieved and for the work you do now. This is by far your best interview Steven, utterly compelling. Thanks!
@@tinas2857 yes I agree and I've forgiven many people, many of them don't know and some are deceased. I should have worded it a bit better by explaining that when forgiving is not right for me at the time, I choose the option of letting go instead. You can call it the next best thing. It aids the healing process for me and I acknowledge that while there's no doubt trauma has affected me, it doesn't have to dictate how I live the rest of my life :)
I hope your boy gets in touch with you. you seem like such a changed man now and so straight forward and so understanding of how people might perceive you. I hope that he gives you a chance
my dad murdered my mother when i was 5 i’m now 47 and yes it has effected me only lately. life goes on and everyone suffers in some way . as an adult you know right from wrong . i was never shown affection , i’m a loving person and have a heart of gold
This was a very good talk inspired by this guy who has overcome the trauma of others in a position to be believable over himself yet he held on to hope that his truth would be heard. Blessings to him & his family.
Thank you Steven, another incredible guest and very interesting conversation with Raphael, I’ll look forward to watching his series on Netflix. Quite incredible what he went through during those years in prison. Good to hear he has a lovely wife and kids in his life now.
Yet another BRILLIANT, eye-opening, educative, thought-provoking, levelling episode!! There will soon be a time, if it isn't already happening, where you won't be looking for guests to interview - they will be seeking you out to have their voices heard in the most authentic, transparent, truthful way possible!! Keep them coming, please DOAC/Steven 🙏
Steven, your content amazes me and inspires me every time, you - your team & your guests are literally astonishing ... bloody amazing mate .. thank you so much, Alec
All the way through he minimises very serious crimes. “My mum was defending me”, no, you don’t have to assault someone to defend a verbal attack, that can be dealt with verbally and lawfully. Even if the mum was not educated to do so, looking back at suchan issue, if you are viewing it correctly, someone shouldnt be defending a physical assault. It is a bad attitude. Very worrying. I got done for gbh Thats as bad as it got… the only crime above GBH is murder, so minimising GBH, unacceptable. Even saying “ I was a boy, he was a man”… minimising it… … constant excuses and taking no accountability.. i stole chocolate, that isnt bad… well it is to the shop owner trying to feed their family. Hinestly, this isnt someone who has really honestly learnt from their mistakes, i dont know what happened or about him at all really, ut i can see why someone would think he did something like murder AND these attitudes shows a troubling attitude of lack of empathy. I just get a really bad feeling about this guy
Thank you Raphael for a frank and honest podcast.. What Met police and the judicial system done to you and the two other males is racial based, damaging and traumatic. I love your stance on forgiveness and you are absolutely right, they don't deserve your forgiveness and they should be coming to you to apologise, from the investigating officers, prosecutors, judge and those with too much power to damage other people in their hands. Thank you Raphael and wish you well on your healing journey 🙏🏿
Wao !!!! This recall moved me in some ways. I never grew up in a council estate but I’ve worked in some of the environments and never did I imagined things like this could happened. Regarding his son. I sincerely hope he will pick up his courage and reach out to him. I’m sure he’s waiting for that as a man he is going to become. God bless you and tale your pains away
I’ve watched every single episode of the worlds toughest prisons, Raphael has been in some sticky situations when Inside them and I love watching his exploits ❤ the guy deserves every bit of fortune that comes his way
What an incredible interview. What an incredibly resilient man he is. Our Criminal justice system is beyond flawed and this kinda exposure to real experience is crucial in advocating for change. No truer words could be said about people in prison, they are human beings and they have often been failed by their environment and by society itself. Such a powerful conversation
I loved listening and watching , best chat I have seen in a long time. Raphael is a beautiful man and I pray he gets to meet his son and great healing takes place. Great show ❤❤
Have you every looked into the misscarige of justice of omar bengit who is still in jail now 22 years later . His sister and us has community are fighting for justice. Doing a podcast with his sister would be amazing 🙏
To Raphael, I'd suggest that you reach out to your son. You don't know what your son has been told about you, so that little boy inside of him may be feeling quite rejected and may have built a really tough shell around his heart to protect himself from pain. This may take a lot of work to break through, so even if your son hasn't tried to find you, I'm sure that deep inside, he wants to know his father even though he's probably feeling rejected by your absence in his life. It's up to the parent to make the first move towards reconciliation, even if it takes years. I'm still trying for reconciliation with my own son for the last 10 years, even though I have no idea as to why, but I do know that whatever the cause is in his mind, he's hurting deep down. We all need to know that our parents love us ... and sometimes we just need them to fight harder for us until they prove it. The more they reject us, is a sign that the hurt is deeper and needs us as parents to prove how much we love them by continuing to dig deeper. I wish you all the love and goodness in your life, and in your quest to become the father that you would have wished for. Please don't let them also take away your opportunity to be a father and to even enjoy the love of grandchildren one day.
We don't all know our absent parents love us that's is untrue to say , the parent is the adult , their child will always be their child , not matter what age ,
His inner "alpha" kept him alive, safe, and prosperous. He's just another testimony of the human experience overcoming adversity in the some of the most horrible circumstances. Mr. Raphael Rowe is one in a billion.
What a brilliant episode. Very sincere and touching. I really like this brother (Raphael). I wouldn't have chosen to watch this but it rolled into it after the Gym Shark one, and I'm glad I watched it. Keep up the great work Steve
I cannot fathom the psychological impacts on Raphael… and to re-live them over and over again makes him one hell of a humanitarian! Plus, he is ohhhh so handsome.
Fascinating guy and life story. What a horrific experience to happen to someone. I truly admire Steven too. I’ve been glued to this interview. I have watched Raphael’s programmes. Steven is a gifted interviewer and businessman.
I really enjoyed this interview, so much that I sat in silence afterwards. After the silence, I went to the Second Chance Podcast. These interviews by Steven are worth more than gold. I like meeting these new people!
Hmmm not sure about calling burglary a petty crime and he had to do it because it was the only way to buy what he wanted? Really?! Burglary can be absolutely terrifying and a huge violation for victims.
I have got to say that is one of the most though provoking podcasts personally I have watched of the Diary of a CEO. I’ve been hooked on this one and truly enjoyed it
I've had enough at 15mins.....this guy is far from humble.... He has blamed all his problems on somebody else apart from himself. He has never recognised that HIS actions have consequences.... Good and bad.... He has got to be own them! I pray NO YOUNG PERSON listens to this foolish idea of life!
This is a fundementally refined man. His bleak childhood, his morbid adolescence, and his wrongful incarcination r a sequence of everlasting wounds. Yet he perserved his sanity, his soul, his empathy and his trust in who and what may come. He is the refined outcome of harsh life experiences. I bow to u, Sir.
Great answer, you are who you are in spite of the wrong done to you! That is someone to look up to. You are a problem solver and a doer. You are doing great things to bring what you have experienced and witnessed full circle to bring compassion and help to those in need and being so badly mistreated. No one knows better than you. I am happy to hear your personal life is a support for you now and you are happily in love & with family. God Bless you and your family.
one of the best interveiwers in the game. i love the fact that he does great research on his guests and asks pefect questions while allowing his guest to answer. great guys
One of the best, most inspiring podcasts that I've had the privilege to listen to. To be the subject of injustice is one of the hardest things to come to terms with.
I sincerely hope Raphael's lad reaches out to him...can't imagine a more positive influence that can only add value. Some mothers are just pure evil to deny access to a father.
Maybe he can reach out to his son. I know his fearful of rejection but he will regret it when his older. What if his son is fearful of reaching out to his successful celebrity Dad who his never met?
It’s up to the PARENT to build a bridge with the child they left willingly or unwillingly. I mean he could arrange a meeting without custody or at the very least have a letter delivered to him.
@@calikeisha365 I'm personally going through a bitter court case in which parental alienation is rife...I'm basically mourning the loss of my child who is helpless because the system supports the offending parent.
Only just watched this, and twice. Awesome, engaging and insightful interview. Thanks for sharing your experience and also props for your persistence in pursuance to win your freedom..
Humbled, encouraged and reassured. As far as I am concerned a person may be judged on what they do to rectify their mistakes. You interviewee today has compassion, honesty and integrity. Why did you help Steven? Because he needed you to. I spent 40 years teaching lots of struggling teenagers. Glad you feel respect for those who do it but know this, I got much more from those teenagers than I could ever have given to them. It reassures me to hear this story. Thank you. It also taught me a lot. I am so glad I clicked play.
Of course, wrongful conviction wasn’t a mistake on his part. So here we have someone who like many more of us, was born and grew up in a deprived area with certain family dysfunctionalities and who runs with a number of people who do not bring out his best. It’s the mistakes at this point that he shows great character for rectifying. He’s even more amazing though, because he recovers from the blow of his wrongful conviction and yet doesn’t appear to be bitter. No he’s channelled his anger into helping and giving a voice to others. That’s why this story is humbling.
This man is much more a humanitarian than the Sussexes. A very well spoken, intelligent and resilient man, who narrated his experience in a very detailed and clear manner. I hope his journey just keeps going up. I see he wears a wedding ring - many blessings to him and his wife! Best interview I have listened to.
