I spent 20 hours in Paladins to see if it was better than Overwatch 2 

the fact that the furia used arguably her worst talent, and proceeded to blame the team for their incompetency rlly says it all.

Anti-healing is to keep healers in check. Each weapon shot applies it for 1.5 seconds. Early game, healers can get away with ignoring it, but later they will have to wait for them to cleanse it or they will just waste the cooldown. It used to be an item called Cauterize, so if you see someone mention Caut/Cauterize, that is what they are talking about. Sadly a lot of people don't cleanse it by hiding behind a wall/shield.

"I got killed by the bunny, and Waifus are on my screen!!" As a longtime player, this the most Paladins-thing I've ever heard😂

In regards to the "not being able to switch champions" part In Paladins matchups have a lot more to do with planning than the actual champion you are playing, that is done through the talents/decks you use and itens you buy, it's really similar to league in a way. for example: If I'm playing Maeve against a team with a lot of projectile champions, I pick my move speed deck to be harder to hit; If I'm playing against a lot of hitscan champions I use my resistance deck so I don't get as easily melted. I like this system a lot because it allows you to main a particular character and have the option to adapt to a bad matchup instead of having to play rock paper scissors with your characters like in Overwatch (I really love both games, I just prefer being able to one trick and happen to like card games too)

I understand your opinion. I love this game, but I also hate it sometimes, with the bugs, bad matchmaking, hackers, toxicity, afks, and bugs it has. It has a lot of potential, but Hi-rez just won't support anything that isn't Smite.

I get why people think it's an Overwatch clone a little bit, but honestly the only similarities are that they are both team/objective based shooters with different characters of class types instead of one character that you select the class of. Paladins was in alpha testing before Overwatch was announced, but has gone through SO many changes since then. I've played both games a lot ,and I prefer Paladins based on diversity alone due to talents and loadouts. I also like how you can't just keep switching characters to counter everything constantly. (Unless you're Zhin, Zhin can counter ults) Edit for misunderstandings: I'm not saying either is a copy of the other, just that calling Paladins a copy is not correct because it was first. They are their own things with similar inspiration. It's not that deep.

20:34 Fun fact: A lot of players especially on PC hated that change, which is why Hi-Rez added a legacy option in the game settings. Which allow it to be more user friendly, and give access to a few extra voice lines like "VVP = Please, VVGN = Nice Job, etc."

Keep in mind that about 50 people keep this game under development. Which should be about 20-30% of overwatch's team size, depending on which year we are talking about.

Loved that you gave the game a try. i love helping new players learn about the game

This game was originally going to be a completely different genre, but they changed it to this taking inspiration from TF2. The cards and talent used to be collected from chests similar to how TF2 has weapons you could get. It ended up being P2W. Also, the tutorial is terrible. The devs made a guide for new players outside of the game, but its not the best and was described as a fast solution. Hi-Rez never put that much money into this game.

Loved the video man, personally play paladins and overwatch (although more paladins that overwatch since ow2). A couple of things i might be able to clear up around anti healing, it reduces healing for 1.5 seconds after you get shot so the way to counter it is to avoid being shot for 1.5s and then get healed, it used to be an item that most of your team would buy but with the old item system it was a choice between antihealing or increased damage to shields for each person on the team. It sort of exists to counter pocket playstyles and team comps like pirates (paladins version of GOATS sorta) and add a change of pace to each team fight as the game progresses. In terms of the amount of stuns that happens ALOT when you play a tank - I am a tank main so best i can recommend if you ever play the game again is max out a useful item called resilience as soon as you can! Definitely understand your criticisms of the game, wish hirez would fund it more so evil mojo could move it to a newer version of unreal and polish the design a bit. I can say that if you ever go into paladins again definitely do it with as many friends as want to join cause it makes the early learning stages of the game so much more bearable as u get into it. regardless the video was a very enjoyable watch!

The flank role experience is tuff I tell you. As i main this role I had to get stomped so many times before figuring out how to play it semi-decently. If i were to describe what flanks are, it would be squishier damage dealers that trade their HP for mobility, allowing them to take alternate routes on the map in order to diatract or pick off support players. While im completely bias here, I found Maeve (the pink haired girl with the knifes) to be the most fun champion in the game. Still, i wouldnt recommend playing flank if youve just started playing the game, playing damage first would be a lot more optimal. Awesome video overall, wish both Paladins and Overwatch were better games and better organized but what can you do.

As a person who plays both games i find paladins infinitely more enjoyable in general for a number of reasons (The talent system being one of the biggest reasons) i really wish evil mojo had more funding from Hi-Rez, but unfortunately Hi-Rez Is the kind of company to pump out games and Forget about old(er) titles. Paladins has been stuck in Unreal 3 for years due to a lack of Funding, Also evil mojo doesn't want to overwork and underpay employees so there's less Devs by a mile than overwatch.. but honestly I think thats fair given the player count. I main Torvald in paladins and Lucio in overwatch and honestly i don't personally think tanks in overwatch are as fun as paladins tanks, i rather Play Nyx over ramattra. Also Good video btw, really Well put together

I totally agree with all your points. I was a big time Paladins player. Started in the beta. The game has gone through many and many permutiations of itself. If you look at content from random years of paladins good chance you see a totally different gameplay. Even in some core mechanics like the card loadouts and cards in general (OB64 was a notorious low point). They kept evolving the gameplay but never got the possibility to properly polish and remove bugs from the game. To this day this makes me incredibly mad because I saw this game I loved, in which I saw a lot of potential just die over the years. I used to play overwatch in parallel with this and fierciley defended it for years until it just became pointless because corporate greed at hi-rez kept pushing to just add more content and more micro-transactions.

The fact that you liked Azaan made me laugh because on release he was the most broken tank, he was able to solo the entire team with little to no help from your teammates😭😂

i have 3473 hours on paladins also my account is maxed lvl 999 and i love this game so much i will just say that paladins is the superior game all it needs is just some polish and bug fixes and it would be so much better. you can customize your playstyle to whatever you want imagine a flanking sniper or a tanking flanker and the item shop in a match helps out and so no 2 games will ever be exactly the same even tho you might have the same comp on the opposing team. i played ow2 since it released until now and i can freely say even tho paladins player argue that the game is very out of balanced i beg to differ i'd say paladins is way more balanced then ow2. like come on makoa doesnt hook you when your 10 miles away but roadhog does ... hmmm ... in paladins even tho its a team game and its not reliant on teammates like ow2 in ow2 if your healers dont heal you then your basically dead unless you find a healthpack but in paladins you have out of combat healing to heal you back to full hp and you even have item shop stuff to help you with it. even when it comes to prices or cosmetics etc. its 10x cheaper then ow2 and the skins in paladins is so much more amazing i look at the skins in ow2 most of them look like a recolor of the original outfit even the legendaries only a few look unique but paladins skins have amazing fx and details to them like they look very eye catching. (can watch DaddyMouse videos for skins he rates paladins skins if they are worth for purchase or not) Overall i'd say paladins is better if only it were polished, get bug fixes and if they brought back the old game modes and made it in to arcade mode like ow2.

It made me sad to see that you weren't really enjoying it, but I understand. It's hard to get into it without someone to guide you, and that happened to me when I switched to OW2. I hated it because there were no damage numbers so I really didn't know if I was landing my shots or if the enemy had DR, and abilities are poorly explained while in Paladins damage values and crowd control effects are thoroughly described for most abilities. Now I play OW2 everyday but it took me a while to learn what to do and what to not do. I still prefer Paladins gameplay, mechanics and QoL features (like being able to see a feed of all the damage sources that hit you before dying, for when you say HOW TF DID I DIE), but the matchmaking is awful and has gotten worse.

anti heal is a great tool in the game cause in late will NOT make healing useless. In fact it makes it stronger, you have to time your heals right to hit your teammates when they are off the anti heal (you can know that by thr color of their healthbar). It gives a massive skill floor to healers, rewarding good players and punishing healbot whitout thinking

This video was funny and well edited. As a person who has only played OW2 though, I feel like you should have shared what you were learning about Paladins more throughout the video

gonna make it big, great editing and soothing voice. subscribed and will continue to watch

For the anti healing, the reason it was added as a passive is because it used to be an item you buy, but here is the thing, it was an absolute must have item, by making caut/anti healing passive, it is no longer an item in a shop, which opens more possibility to buy other items over the anti heal. Also If anti heal did not exist, then support would be absolute meta, there was already a sustain meta that was very annoying to face, so I am thankfull it exists.

Been playing both games for years and the only flaws of Paladins imo are the graphics and slow gameplay comparing to OW, all the rest Paladins does it better. It’s a shame it’s not a bigger company, if it was more polished it would be insane…Paladins hardware on Overwatch software would be the perfect game !! Anyway great vid, nice editing, you deserve more subs ! 😁

Here's a deep-down explanation for Anti-heal: Anti-heal is one of the core mechanics of Paladins, formerly known as Cauterize or Caut. It exists to add depth to the game and create a metagame for healers. Anti-Heal starts low at first and gets higher as the match goes. How Anti-Heal works is that, when somebody shoots you, you get the status effect called "reduced healing" for whatever amount Anti-Heal currently is, for 1.5 seconds. You also apply the same effect to your opponents when you shoot them. For example, if Anti-Heal is 50%, and you get shot, if your healer heals you for 1000 hp, you'll only get healed for 500 hp if the "reduced healing" effect is active during the heal. Not getting shot again for 1.5 seconds (till the effect wears off) "cleanses" you and you'll be able to get full healing again. Healers in Paladins heal a lot more compared to the healers in Overwatch. They start out OP in early game because they can outheal almost anything, but in mid-game and late-game, you have to be a lot more careful and smart. In early game, big heal numbers are strong, but in late game, Anti-Heal goes all the way up to 90% which basically makes healing nonexistent, which makes Damage Reduction better in late-game (all healers except one have DR abilites) 90% seems OP, right? That basically erases healing from the game. But actually, the whole point of late-game is successfully managing to play around Anti-Heal, its what determines good players and bad players. Its what makes Paladins Paladins tbh. This mechanic adds a lot to the game. It adds more value, more skill, and more fun for a lot of gameplay mechanics. Shields, positioning, timings, and certain abilites all have new untraditional uses because of this. First off, there is more to healing then just your healer. Your teammates cant just run around mindlessly and wait for healing, they have to move properly in order to get heals. Your healer can play perfectly but if the person demanding for healing is constantly getting shot they'll get cauterized to constantly and your healer cant do anything to save you. Its not their fault at this point. So, there is as much thought and effort the person RECEIVING the heal has to put as the healer themselves, its a 50/50 team work. This makes it more satisfying to receive heals because YOU also played a role in that healing and not just got saved by the big mommy healer, but it can be a little annoying if YOU are THE HEALER and the teammates constantly take damage and flame you for not healing afterwards. Shields can "cleanse" your Cauterize. Almost the entirety of shields in Paladins are NOT meant to be used as actual shields, but a tool. If you deploy your shield, you wont get cauterized even if your shield gets shot. So, even if you are under heavy fire, opening your shield briefly for 1.5 seconds and cleansing Cauterize will enable your healer to heal you back up where without utilizing the shield, it wouldnt be possible because of Anti-Heal. Shields have super low hp compared to the Overwatch counterparts and wrecker exists, so you have to use them sparingly, primarily using them to counter Cauterize especially in late game. Heal timings and different types of heals also find different amounts of value depending on the Caut level and usage. For example, channel heals similar to Mercy's, are super strong in the early game as they can be used more freely, in any amount you please and much more frequently, where burst heals are stronger in the late game because with 90% caut you almost will never get a full 3 seconds of Uncauterized window to heal your teammate with hold-to-channel heals, you just wont have enough time. Rather, you'd just use burst heal abilites on them in the brief moment where there is no cauterize and heal them for the full amount. The power of burst healing. (Some healers have heal over time abilites and some have burst heals, former being stronger in early game and the latter being stronger in late game. Do note that its not a "tradeoff" by any means and they both can work flawlessly no matter the game stage, it all comes down to the player's skill.) This makes healing timings *super* important. If you're playing grover, if you carelessly pop the heal everytime, you'll heal during caut most of the time which will heal like 150 hp, but if you carefully watch your teammates healtbars and time your heals in the brief time windows where they dont have caut, you'll heal a massive 600 hp burst. You can even apply DR with Grover with the correct build. Abilities. Some abilites find value in that they counter cauterize really well. Skills that make you ethereal (like Grohk's ghost walk) are long enough that your caut will cleanse itself and your healer will have a big time window where you cant get damaged (cant get cauted) but can be healed. Grohk can put down totems and use ghost walk to heal himself to full, during 1v1s, even with 90% cauterize in play. And one final way to counter cauterize, is a shop item. Rejuvenate. It says "get 30% more healing from other plsyers" in its description, when most players read that, they think the effect procs after caut, so with 90% caut, you'd get 10% --> 13% healing, but no. You get 40% healing with 90% caut. That is a very considerable amount of healing for the late game. It makes heal-over-time heals more viable late game and gives more room for error for burst heals, because the entirety of your heal wont get butchered because you missed the heal by 0.003 seconds. All while making uncauterized heals even more stronger. Do note that the player RECEIVING the heal has to buy rejuvenate. Most of the time, only tanks buy it, except some special cases. Cauterize also pretty much buffs Flankers as the match progresses, where the big carries happen. Flankers can turn into literal killing machines as the problem of healers are gone. And one final thing that I should've said earlier, if your teammates' health bars are that yellowish green, they currently have Cauterize. If they have the normal blue health bar, they are clean.

I've heard before that it takes 10,000 hours to become actually good at something, so where tf this "20 hour" claim came from is beyond me

I personally wrote the game off being an overwatch player till they announced the cancellation of pve and I admittedly got butthurt about it. But I’m now 100+ played already and must say I’m have more fun in ranked paladins then I’ve had in ranked OW since we got OW2

what an underrated channel

Paladins might be held together by scotch tape and prayers, but the gameplay customization for each champion is pretty good

Im subbing just for the tunes in the op you have great taste and the challenge was awesome ❤️

talents loadouts and items are the things that make paladins special

I loved paladins and umped alot of hours in it. Prefered it over Overwatch just for the card system but patch OB61 killed the game for me. Great video! Loved your talking points

Genuinely shocked to see that you're under 1000 subs. Quality content dude, keep at it.

Ahh it takes me back. I've spent 1800 hours on Paladins back in the day before i switched to Overwatch full time.

First you have to customize your own loadouts. They make it better as you can fit stuff to your playstyle but there are some champions who only has some cards that are just overall better. Second, counters are base on items. If you getting CC, get resilience. If you are going against a lot of shields, Wrecker. Going against a lot deplorables, Bulldozer. If the champion name starts with an S, Illuminate. S for stealth.

they both have their ups and downs, if paladins had the old paladins monetization but kept all the new characters it would be better. But I still prefer hi-rez as they don't openly admit to being anti-union and are actually good with their employee's (they don't skip out on cash and actually hire new people to pump out high quality content, which is very consistently good during year 10 of smite! They make alot of BIG changes to test the waters, after all it takes a big disruption to see where everything stands. If everything is balanced its way harder to make the meta items not super bad since you need to nerf them so other ones get spotlight time.)

for a small channel, you've got some pretty good editing my guy! Audio isn't bad either, could be better, but it always can. Even Tucker Carlson has audio problems and that guy's a millionaire with musk on his six. Anyhow, it's good to see some good ol' palman's gameplay, thanks for putting it up

Thing about cauterise is it either feels like absolute garbage or it feels intuitive, and it entirely depends on your teammates. Caut's supposed to incentivise your teammates to retreat if they need heals instead of just juggernauting and screaming at healers for not keeping them alive. The fact it lasts so short means its pretty easy for a tank to just breathe it off by holding up their shields, and flanks can just retreat and it wears off quite quick.

Hi paladins bet here! As there are loadout cards that heal a ton as well as supports that heal for stupid numbers, anti heal mechanic simply rewards positioning and being able to peel out of anti heal for them to get topped off and go back in the fight. During shield meta’s for example you absolutely wont be able to kill anything without anti-heal. To remove you will need to rework the damage scaling system and the healing scaling system. Previously (antiheal) was a purchasable item with credits that you collect after capturing or getting kills etc, which rewarded flankers and AOE characters a lot enabling them to dive easily and not see the enemy’s hp bar go up while dealing consistent damage. But when you played the game as it currently is compared to how was in the past, its passive now based on how long the match has been going for. it caused a huge meta shake because there is the possibility of getting rolled cuz you simply can’t kill a thing in well coordinated team fights. I tried to explain it as best as i could but there is a lot of stuff that i didnt go into such as shield reset mechanics or damage reduction ratios that different tanks have that make it extremely necessary to have such a mechanic in the game to be able to establish your own will on the game and the tempo. As the game currently stands, it has seen better days i consider giving it a more in-depth play time as the loadout system as it currently stands is one of the most fun things in the game being able to customize the whole character’s kit to your own preference and play style and something that really just feels right !

The point of cauterize is to have game progression (applies for items too). It forces people to adapt playstyles when the game approaches endgame. As people stated in the comments cauterize / anti-heal gets applied when you are hit with weapon damage and it lasts for 1,5s. It used to be an item called cauterize, but it was so must have that the devs made it into a ramping passive effect instead so that you can have more item build variety as otherwise you'd basically be forced to buy cauterize and use up one item slot. Cauterize (as the item was called back then) / anti-heal gives the game progression where you need to adapt your gameplay the later you get into the match as anti-heal and items such as wrecker get stronger. This is a very old key design principle that the devs made back in the day that they want to have in the game. Combat gets more deadly as you can't actively be healed through it, but you have to not be hit to first drop cauterize in order to get healed. Alternatively you can buy items such as rejuvenate to mitigate cauterize. Same with shields in terms of wrecker. You will have less and less up time on shields as they get destroyed faster and faster due to increased shield damage from wrecker. These mechanics, however, were developed and designed SPECIFICALLY for siege, which is the main gamemode. This can lead to the other modes feeling chaotic, as you described in the video. Siege is the best gamemode by far imo and the rest is just filler for casual play to have fun in. Im a last split master player and always like to interact with people about the game as I feel like it is highly underrated as just an OW clone and people forget all the cool and unique things Paladins does. The added depth and complexity from talents, items, loadouts etc. has always been more intriguing to me compared to what OW has going for it, which is why I've always highly preferred paladins over OW. If you have any other questions about the game, feel free to hit me up! I'm called Darkonode in game.

"oh i dont like that wheel" No one does. Only HiRez seems to enjoy the idea behind that damned wheel

the thing is paladins came out first its been in production for as long as the day overwatch was made

the game feels like an AI-generated mashup of every riot, blizzard, supercell, and valve IP. Its mostly impossible to tell whats going so I don't really play it

omg as a player with 700 lv on this game, I'm glad you can have fun around the games here :') the matchmaking can be lackluster and im glad you got a friend to hang out with.

Enjoyed the video, uh first time seeing your content and this makes we want to play paladins tbh lol. You made it look like fun (:

that rice part took me out lmao .. def satisfied that I didn't skip! good vid man

I loved the flank segment :D I kinda hoped you'll play evie as well (arguable the hardest champ in the game) Probably others already said this (and it's coming from a kind of flank main) the class is called "flank" but that doesn't mean you always go for flanks. They are better to look at as a higher mobility dps (there are exceptions of course). So a better way to think about flankers is to play as a dps slightly to the side and look for low hp targets mainly supports and jump on them if you have a window of opportunity

Go into settings, fnd VGS and change it to legacy. Its a lot better.

I can appreciate that you at least gave the game a shot. I play it now over Overwatch simply because whenever I play Overwatch 2 in hit with crippling depression seeing what the game has become since the golden days that I played during.

Hi! I’m the guy who posted the “very helpful comment” about anti-heal (aka cauterize). I think a big detriment of paladins is that it’s an extremely complex and competitive-catered game, but there is nearly zero official education available for a lot of the complex mechanics that take place. For example, the entire healing mechanic is not that complicated, but still requires an explanation. A lot of new players (I’m assuming yourself included) are thrown into the mess and don’t know anything about: - Anti-heal (and how it’s applied by any enemy weapon attacks and how it increases over time as the match progresses) - How to cleanse anti-heal (don’t get hit by enemy weapons for 1.5 seconds, and you’ll get full healing) - Out of combat healing (don’t shoot or get hit for 5 seconds and you’ll start regenerating) And that’s just for healing alone. Knowing this means that certain team comps work better in the early game, where high-output supports can pocket their team through all damage, while other comps work better late game if they’re less reliant on healing and shielding. These nuances dictate the pace and flow of the game. There’s so many hidden mechanics that are taken for granted at a high level, but people don’t really learn about it naturally.

seems like a skill issue tbh.

Paladins > Overwatch stay mad

Better than giving blizzard your cell phone number

Anti-Healing is a debuff that wears off really quickly but can get reapplied without diminishing returns. So if a tank just soaks and doesn't take cover, he dies. If he takes cover for 1.5 sec or so, you can then heal him normally. It's basically Anas nade from Overwatch but it doesn't entirely stop heals going through.

It was probably not better

i love playing this game whenever i get frustrated with overwatch because its just so chaotic and unserious

Bro straight up jumped to playing flank with 3h experience, that's the hardest role man, demanding tactical experience, mechanics, outplay mentality, outside the box thinking, decision making, map awareness and maps tricks, fast thinking, different loadouts and items depending enemies and allies then yes, flanking enemies😂

Dont know if anyone mentioned it but the anti healing used to be an item called cauterize. It caused healing reduction on people you attack. Since everyone bought it (and some balancing reasons) they made it a passive thing. I commented this before seeing that you looked it up.

The fact that Paladins is so messy at times that you wanted to play OW again is the most Paladins thing to happen, I never played OW1 because of low specs at the time, I've been playing OW2 for a few months but oh boy, paladins was so clunky, toxic and very much so like a raw piece of meat that I can't even get mad at Blizzard's fuck ups (with the game, not with their staff, thats a whole another can of worms), because unarguably Hi-rez fuck ups are way more constant and sometines even big, sure PVE cancelled yadda yadda dissapointing, broken promises, and whatever, but playing Paladins for so many years (since OB33 if I remember more or less accurately) sort of made me already to have very, very low expectations on any shooter games, to the point the cancelled PVE and monetization of the "invasion" missions doesn't even bother me that much, not after having to go throught OB64 turning Paladins into a literal pay to win or the No sound/Random kick bugs. sure we dont have the skill trees, talents, PVE nor some of the details promised on blizzcon 2021 But, being all honest, it feels like nothing to have just a few months of these kinds of issues, next to roughly 7 years of dissapointnent after dissapointment from Paladins, I think those who had played as long as I did understand that we don't have enough energy left to feel betrayed after being backstabbed by Hi-rez once every few months on a yearly basis, and with so many creative ways to dissapoints us anytime 😂

I have 1.3K hrs on OW and 1.5K on Paladins. Rank on OW : Master 1 DPS and Master 2 Support, Dia 1 Tank. Rank on Paladins : I don't play ranked. *Now let me add my two cents* *POSITIVES* 1). The most fun part in Paladins is actually the the card building and how can you mix-max your playstyle, and you're not even bother touching that, so that's a huge miss. Welp, you tried to do that in 20 hrs, so at least you tried. Those decision will affect your DPS (Damage Per Second) and it gives you dopamine boost seeing how the numbers popup changes. For example "Kinessa" used to have a legendary (talent) where you get more damage if the enemy is affected by mines, so running a card with 5 mines is viable, and your whole playstyle will change because of that. There's even a Flank Kinessa build. 2). The most fun role in Paladins imo is actually the Support, yes. This is coming from a DPS player on OW. Support playstyle is very anti pocket healing and more about everything else. Paladins support is crazy fun, because you can actually build the dps playstyle on it, and not just one playstyle for one hero. My favorite is Furia with her stun beam and maldamba. Ying DPS is also fun, there's even a dedicated guide on how to build DPS supports. If you think playing support like how mercy plays is fun, then Paladins really isn't for you. I can't name a single support that isn't in Paladins tbh, even ghrok is really fun if you run the Chidori build with bouncing electricity. *NEGATIVES* 1). While Paladins is fun in terms of gameplay, the devs really never focuses on polish. Polish on fixing bugs, polish on clunky movement, etc. Most old bugs in paladins are still recurring even to the recent time I played it. I truly believe Lead Programmer or whoever made the decision to halt this fixes to focus on something else is not focused on making Paladins a good game, let alone compete with Overwatch. 2). Hero lock in game and no role selection like in overwatch. It's frustrating when you don't have a tank and you already know it's GG from the start of the round. 3). I've stopped playing Paladins like 4-5 years ago because my disappointment from above statements. Once a year or two I tried to download the game and play it again just to see how much have changed, mostly I just become disappointed and uninstalled it again after 1 or 2 games. *CAUTERIZE* (The negative healing shit) - Seeing how stupid mercy buff and Kiriko suzu, I hope there's caut is actually added in overwatch. OW2 is slightly better since there's only a tank and goats are not a thing, but it's still annoying. If your team or you not playing a Hit-scan to shoot the mercy, then it's GG. Kiriko suzu is retarded, literally much better than bap's immortality. Suzu literally counter all ult, all fucking ult. it's fucking retarded. In OW2 support is not as fun as DPS. Kiriko is fucking busted, LW is useless, Ana is useless in high rank since everyone will counter with Kiri, etc. - In Paladins at least, all this Support can adapt their playstyle to fit the late condition of cauterize, even if they have to go DPS. Support playstyle is very anti pocket healing.

My boy shoved the meat of the critique into a sped up snippet but made me sit through 2 days talking bout how nothing happened.

I like paladins! Lmao your clip about the flank was hilarious 😂 it’s a hard knock life

In ranked there’s a draft system, so you can counterpick your opponent, that’s also why you can’t swap characters after locking them in. Personally i prefer that over being able to swap at any point in overwatch

It’s sad to see that i still play this dead game but i love it. Awesome video and it’s your best performing video by far. Maybe part 2? 🙃

Coming from a hardcore Paladins fan, since 2015, I only play OW now. You did a decent analysis but you're correct that it will take 100 hours to fully understand the game. I definitely wish they had item or talent swaps, instead of hero swaps mid game. But this game is more about planning and focuses more on team play. OW has enough ppl who heal themselves, and there are health packs, so a game can be won without a healer. The ONLY way that can be done in Paladins, is if u have a sweaty Androxus, Maeve, or Evie who is playing on PC. Usually anyone who plays flank on mouse and keyboard, are top tier. The long que times do suck, but they were way worse. Used to be 10,mins to get on a game. Also the trash community who think they kno the best way or "meta" loadouts and talent each champion should use. So ppl Wil throw a ranked game if u choose a talent they dnt think u should, even if it's the best way thag u play with that champ. I think that's the real reason they took the Cauterize item out, and made it a part of the game; some ppl who go the entire game without getting cauterize, and others would complain.

You can change the voiceline wheel in the configs, and I'll advise doing so, I had an aneurysm when they added it but they kept the option to change back to hoe it was before and it's way better

4:35, the moment you discover you can indirectly friendly fire

To be honest, this game was a really good idea. Played it for a good bit after I quit Overwatch. Paladins did 5v5 before it was cool. It also took advantage of its MOBA roots with the Talent system, Card system, and mid-game upgrades, which was cool as hell. I really like these ideas, but my main issue is how they were executed. Starting years of Paladins were actually quite good despite the game being labelled as an OW clone. I found out about it because of that and tried it out when I saw it was free. Had an odd amount of fun playing Bomb King and Ruckus, but kinda fell off since nothing felt snappy nor satisfying. Not one to judge visuals too much, but I do judge animations quite hard. A good animation, whether it shows the great strength your weapon has or the many other things it can achieve, can literally make any boring ass weapon cool as hell. Take COD MW 2020, which was a violently okay game, but exploded because of how beautiful the animations were (visuals weren't even the biggest deal). First game to make widescale Godtier animations, and it carried the whole game. Everything felt powerful, snappy, and satisfying, but Paladins lacks this entirely. I like Makoa, but the way he throws his anchor feels flimsy. His cannon, although big and loud, doesn't do a lot of damage. Many characters share these problems, and it's an odd problem because not many people address it. How characters or weapons "feel" will either keep or throw players out your game, because if your characters / weapons feel like shit, then why use them? I did come back when I saw Khan cause he was cool as fuck. This was my longest time playing Paladins, which was the period I mained Khan and he thankfully felt strong with his powerful full auto pistol revolver clusterfuck and could throw people everywhere. Absolutely badass character, but the issue is that he was the only character I liked. This leads into another issue: lackluster kits. Paladins did what OW2 is doing right now but way earlier, which is add a lot of characters very fast. This seems awesome, but the issues are clear as day, even in OW2. Kits are boring. You get higher quantity, but worse quality. Because of this, a lot of characters were either boring thematically or boring practically. Characters never felt cool until later into the games lifespan when the Paladins teams became more loaded. Even then, the only character I like to this day is Khan, which sucks. Paladins is a really, really good concept, but its execution is very subpar. Some people got into it, but unfortunately, I did not. Apparently, Paladins had a wide variety of community issues, whether it be rabbid toxicity or whatever the hell. Game just dropped the ball, and it's obvious seeing how niche it has become and how it never really had a big "break". Unfortunate really, but it is what it is.

I mean… you did summarize why my friends have a hard time trying to get OW friends to give Paladins a try. There’s a lot of information that just isn’t exactly explained and is learned via osmosis of playing. Going in with an OW mindset also dampens the feeling. However the people that gave it a try from a moba background liked it more. Instead of characters being hard counters to each other, the items are designed to counter the strategies or how the game is going. Cauterize originally was an item but everyone bought it flat out so they just integrated it into the game. I think what about it that people end up enjoying about Paladins is that this is very much the game experience ends up being what you make of it. Personally playing both OW and Paladins, and I don’t have as much fun in OW as I do in Paladins. OW I get more upset at my own teammates as game goes by because of how gameplay is, I end up just feeling stuck. There’s only so much a support can do. Likewise Paladins a support can end up being the reason why a game turns around. Grohk, Pip, and Seris can do a lot of healing, but they can also consistently put damage. Support also have a lot of CC, which technically gets countered by Resilience (Item shortens CC effects) Overall, Paladins has alot of depth, Overwatch relishes in its simplicity. Maximum enjoyment of Paladins ends up with people who figure out the depth of Paladins and what they can do. None of the characters are essentially locked in what they are capable of, like Ruckus is best played as an Offtank/Brusier but he has a point tank/main tank playstyle but it makes his job harder. Also.. Flanking in this game takes a different mindset. You got mobility and damage over survivable sustain. As my friend puts it, Play like a little bitch. Or guerrilla warfare is the way to go. It’s shame you won’t give this game more of a chance, but I do understand why you feel the way you feel

yo that's some good quality here

"Maybe it's a special needs badge" Well, it actually means that they bought the battlepass, so, yeah it's basically the same thing and I wear it all the time

I think other people have explained the history so I'm just going to say: Cauturaize makes it more important to play strategically. At the start of the game its possible to brute force your way through situations if you have healers (as opposed to utility supports) but the longer the game goes on the smarter you have to play. You cant just constantly stand in the front line even as a tank, you need to take breaks so the healers can heal you efficently. Youll have noticed there also arent any one shots in the game: Paladins is slower than OW, and most people take that as a bad thing but its a big reason why I like it. Hitting a nasty shot is good, but it doesn't immediately end a duel. You have to out think the opposition to win, not just outgun them.

Overwatch developers finally started playing Paladins ;D

I've played paladins for over 1600 hours, and I absolutely adore this game. Like seriously, I can't overstate how much fun I've had playing paladins over the years. With that said, I think you completely knocked this one out of the park, and highlighted some very real issues. banger vid also cauterize used to be an item but they changed how it worked a few years back and completely mishandled it. Ruining things that already worked fine seems to be a theme with the current paladins dev team ngl

The segment you said to skip over was super entertaining, w video

i really like ur channel it’s so cozy

It isn't a ow clone. The making of paladins started before overwatch

Ok so Cauterize, the thing deminishing the healing used to be one of the upgrades you pay for in the early days you could only get one upgrade per category and for many DPS characters it was probably the most efficient way to do their job, but it was overall inoffensive. Over time you stopped having to pick between upgrading reload speed and tanking heals AND people realized how effective it is. Also healers are very versatile in the game. Pip has been a viable flanking option since at least 2017, same goes for damage Ying and so on, so it became the meta upgrade. Eventually it got so bad you could get yelled at if you didn't go for caut first thing in the match, even with a single shot weapon (with the effect of the upgrade only lowering the heal for one second after being damaged) and important skills to lower the cooldown off, so devs decided to do something about it. They couldn't remove it because a full team of healers could 100% pull a win agins a properly picked team (I've done that, before and imagine if such team actually had a tank to focus on), so they decided to cut the potential harassment / purchasing mistakes and gave it to everyone for free.

Ngl this is a good video format for other games I think u can make a series out of this

why ill never go back to paladins over overwatch: - horrible servers and cheaters(overwatch has em but i met way more playing paladins than overwatch) - characters are locked behind months of grinding(overwatch has some locked but easy challenges to get them, try them in practice then win some games to learn their role classes not just straight out buy them) - ranked is dead dont even try unless you got hours of your life to waste - games optimization is questionable

Damn he replied to more comments then I ever seen u earned a sub keep up the grind should do more of these trial runs of games

If, in the end, he says that my game is good, my lizard brain will give it a like and subscribe

The tone of your voice is wicked relaxing, also I loved watching the first like...seven minutes of this video (all I had time for). Your style of crude humour is exactly what my friends and I do lmao

Used to love playing Paladins, since I didn't have a system (or good enough pc) for Overwatch having a game similar to it gave me lots of enjoyment. Even though I feel like I couldn't do good in the game anymore just like with SMITE (another game from the company) and the fact they got so many great VA's for it made me all the more happy.

Fun Vid m8. I like your editing skillz. I understand you completely. This game is far from polished or even finished. Its a lilbit chaotic in his own way. I have already nearly 1k hours in this game and i really enjoy it. Even if i lose, it still makes a lot of tun for some weird reason. I nearly never tryhard or go ranked. Mostly i just chill with my boyz some chill games paladins. For some reason it even got one of my fav games ever. Aye, that anti-heal. Lets say, healer are insanely broken in this game when you a good player and have the right champ with a suitable card deck. For example I have a Ying deck where noone can f*cking die as long as i spawn my clones. With antiheal the lategame just gets more intense cause support champs need to maximize their potential while tanks also need to care more about shielding and so on. This game is completely relying on teamplay where everyone cooperates, so its more valuable to win the whole match than to be the MVP or whatever.

lol the two characters you bought were also my starting mains when I played Paladins back in the day. Ying was my starting support.

Paladins developed a year before Overwatch/Titan was in development . Overwatch has taken stuff from Paladins and Paladins has taken stuff from Overwatch through the years as each game has developed, the Original torb ult was basically Vulcan Ult from smite, Mauga ult is Odin +Ares ult from smite. nothing wrong with borrowing ideas and changing them slightly to fit your own game.

My first two mains so far into the game have been tiberius and azaan. Bro just like me fr Gonna try VII next, his mag dump plus the reload buffs basically mean constant spammage and I love it

I'm getting this really creepy and weird thing in the game: whenever I enter the game, there're background ads sounds playing in the background of the game!!! things like: 1. youtube ads 2. commentary sounds on paladins games 3. rock music or something what the he** is this and how I stop it?

i think i found it interesting that lots OW players have trouble enjoying paladins, while a lot of paladins players have trouble enjoying OW.

The anti-healing in paladins used to be a purchasable item used that when you damage enemy players the healing they get from teammates is less but they made it built-in the point of it is to make the game go quicker and if that didnt exist people wont die in the game it depends what stage you are in the match like if u didnt capture anything 25% when the payload spawns raises and goes on till its 90% and that doesnt make it always anti-healing.

Nice to see a video talking about it, and I also agree with everything you said.. I play Paladins since release but only started overwatch 2 days ago, I have 2900hrs of Paladins compared to just 3.5h of OW 🤣. I think Overwatch is in fact easier to learn but hard to master, while Paladins is hard to learn and hard to master, in OW it was easy to learn characters and since the game doesn't have item and loadout system its straight forward to play, which is a good thing because it doesn't take a lot of time to learn and enjoy the game, and you unlock characters very fast while in Paladins it takes longer and therefore is a bad thing for new players, the learning curve is smaller and being able to change characters mid-game is awesome because in Paladins its frustating choosing a tank and not getting heals for example, or troll picking just to lose the match, at least in OW you can change to not be too mad about the teammates. So at the end I'm having lots of fun playing it and will keep playing OW too. About Paladins, I like the more complex thing about making builds and choosing talents because you have lots of playstyles to try, and some are funnier and more enjoyable than others, like playing a flank support, tankier damage, Furia stunning and other fun builds, and when you master a character it feels good to smash the enemy. The ranked system is full of legends playing, It took me a two years to get to the highest rank. At the end both games are good, but OW is definitely more polished, less bugs, more players and feels "smoother" to play and learn the game, so I don't think one is better than other.

Don't fuck with Paladins players we are used to normalazing abuse That being said, in short Caut is in the game to add depth and balance supports. Whenever you hit someone with your weapon they are affected by caut by 1.5 seconds. They have to take no damage for 1.5 seconds in order to cleanse Caut. That's what good tank and supports do. The tank finds or makes cover for Caut to end, and the support heals the tank in that period. Same goes for DPS and Flanks. Yes the wheel is trash, that's why players use the Legacy VGS system. It is a lot easier and more efficient. You had a complaint about CC, which is easily solved with Resilience. It is a cheaper item, and reduces CC effects for quite a bit. That scales similarly to Caut, only that you have to spend credits on Resi. So CC is also better early game, and gets weaker nearing the middle and late game. It adds strat to drafting, because if you have way too many CC characters then your team value drops significantly with Resi coming online. You can't switch characters mid match to counter, that's why there is an item store. The store is there for you to buy items to counter the enemy draft. It is balanced differently than Overwatch, where the balance comes down to counter picks. In Paladins, you are making your draft, that's why you don't pick easily countered characters early in the draft (like Raum) and instead pick it in the later picks if the enemy doesn't have too many counters. As for casuals, it's casuals so you shouldn't take it too seriously anyway. There is a lot more depth to the game that takes a while to notice and get used to, like zoning, comeback mechanic, ult recharge on kill streak ends, CD management and attention to enemies, item store knowledge etc. You didn't enjoy flanks which is fair but you also played Talus and Moji. Talus is fine, Moji is very underwhelming to put it in a nice way (she's garbage). There's more fun options imo, as well as a lot more mobile ones. Talus and Moji are within the lowest mobility flanks you could have chosen. You gave it a fair shot which I respect, it is definitely not going to be for everyone. Despite the meme and unfair comparisons, Paladins and OW play very differently and it can be felt. Their game and balance philosophy differs greatly. Plus chances are players will have internal bias when they try the other game after playing one of them for a longer period of time. Like for me I played OW but it bored me so much faster than any other game, especially coming from Paladins where I can play one character in different playstyles with Loadouts and Talents. I also find Paladins characters a lot more interesting than OW. All I can say is there's a reason Paladins lasted so long instead of dying like all the other games when OW was at its peak, especially since Hirez is handling the game lmao. And your furry friend was bound to play Paladins at some point.

Ed, he’s a good damage dealer as well. I’m really not a top he’s all-around just a great character but you got to stay at a distance to be fair most of the the best style I found and I just unlocked him. Yesterday was the talent that increases his damage the further you are away, which he’s really a sniper with acts yeah with an ax and it does a lot of damage and you can still get the hills off.

what is the song you put in the intro?

As someone who has 1200 hours on Paladins and tried OW2 for a bit I could write an essay on why Paladins gameplay has more depth to it, but the game itself is still kinda buggy and difficult to understand at first But things like the item store, loadouts and talents make the gameplay more diverse and adaptable You don't like anti heal, then buy rejuvenate from the item store or learn how to actually know when to retreat and avoid it Don't like being stunned into oblivion? Then buy resilence which can reduce effects of cc by 75% Or if your support's useless you can build a loadout around self healing or buy healing items But you'd need more than 20 hours to learn all these things which is why it can seem unappealing at first

Aye this is one of your popular video which is nice

Haven't played paladins in a while and I never in my life have I known Tiberius can say "owo" My jaw collapsed

In paladins the anti-heal used to be an item that yiu could buy. But like literally every character would buy it every game so they just made it a feature so you had more customization with what you buy

big thanks to the postal dude for telling us that important information

Ok this will probably fall on deaf ears cuz this videos been out a while but either way free interaction amirite? As a longtime OW player, I got brought back into Paladins by friends who had played since launch. Having a friend who knew the game inside and out went a long way, and I think if you DON'T have that friend, the learning curve is overwhelming. Nothing compares to that Blizzard Polish. Paladins is buggy and low budget, but its large array of characters have a lot of unique kits. Obviously theres your token soldier, sniper, beam healer, shield tank, etc. But characters like Azaan Vora and Lilith are examples of wild character concepts and abilities. Healers in particular feel so much more unique and varied compared to OW, support is actually fun here. Cauterize has probably been beaten into your skull by the comments, but the best way I can defend it is that it allows healers to have very high raw number output and feel powerful (when someone isnt cauterized) yet not oppressive, and makes it so high health pool high heal compositions (Think Orisa with Ana) can't just win. It also puts the burden on the person getting healed to get to safety and be uncauterized, rather than the healer to bail them out. The wild amount of stuns are allowed to exist because Resilience is a buyable. Nothing feels better than watching someone crutching on a stun be rudely awoken by someone having resil 3. The combination of Caut and buyables (like resilience and rejuvenate) gives the lategame a different identity, forcing you to play different. I personally do miss the ability to change characters from OW. The shop, talents, and loadouts exist to help mitigate the hard counter aspect (Junkrat v. Pharah, eg) BUT that leads back into the game knowledge mess, without that friend I'd be LOST in terms of game knowledge And lastly - I'm sorry your flank options were Lex and Moji. Moji is probably one of the only properly "bad" champs in the game - and Lex is a little timmy character. I hope you find a game thats better suited for you, but I hope that Paladins doesn't sit only as a bitter "Overwatch Clone" in your memory. Also Mad respect for responding to all of these comments.

I know people in the comments touched on it more but the anti-heal used to be an item and was so overcentralized that not going it was literally throwing so that's another reason why it was added that I haven't seen touched on