This looks a lot more interesting than Centurion, and is kind of ridiculous how three structure decks cost about the same of a single copy of some of the cards in the Centurion deck.
You missed a pretty big part of the endboard which was shown in MBT's vid, Amblowhale. Even without the support from PHNI this deck is more than capable of having a good board going first since most of your interactions come from your hand or gy. I think it's obvious that the deck will get significantly better after PHNI, but right now this deck can easily beat any deck in the current format.
@@JoshuaSchmidtYGO Yea it def needs Fire Princess for it to see the play. That being said, its only worth going for if you use Hilda > summon opp ash blossom > fire princess etc etc. Is it wierd I genuinely prefer a more control/grindy version of the deck compared to the comboish way the ocg is piloting it? Like I use the Diabellistar engine ofc to get access to Ponix faster, but im not a big fan of the snake eyes engine, mainly cause to my knowledge you play into Nibiru + other handtraps and it has a tougher time going 2nd + running 2 brick-ish cards. I feel like relying more on Avrata control to be able to block handtraps, (outside of imperm) and then grind on the opponents turn is the way to go in the tcg. One big difference between the ocg and the tcg to note is that you can run Prosperity at 3 in the tcg, but Extrav works too if on budget.
@@joeqiao1691 I saw and in another comment chain I was talking about double playmakers with queen + field spell vs avarata control. Out of Queen, Avarata, and Snake Eyes I prefer to focus on Avarata as my normal summon, but all 3 are really good and each has their merits for play. That being said I dont think Snake Eyes is unfair or getting hit, in fact see my previous comment pointing out on its weaknesses
I think thats a fair assesment. Honestly a budget deck BEING tier 2-3 and able to take wins off Unchained, purrely and the like is good enough for me when i plan to build a deck for like 50-80€
Honestly this deck might make me reconsider playing Yugioh IRL again. I fell out of love with the game right around Link era and have been enjoying it on and off again since master duel. But I never truly found an in-road into the game where I could actually test something out for a decent budget. I think the ceiling is low, the testing is allowed, Ive heard also talk about Dogmatika but if I enjoy the Deck I have an "upgrade path" for Sinful Spoils Stuff which I also think look awesome. And from what I read around different comment sections is also that I am not alone and this Deck might "onroad" some more old players which other Structure Decks didnt do.
It's solid off of the box. Just needs the new support to push it. It's a good SD with good staples too and stuff for Edison. Also. Lovin the Digimon World 3 OST being played.
Even though from all the info we get from the OCG it's always archetyped as FIRE KINGS being the deck to beat but I'd argue that's a little misleading. Post Phantom Nightmare the deck should be archetyped as a 'Sinful Spoils Snake-Eye DECK' with a 'Fire King ENGINE' just because of how good Populus is. Populus supported with Bonfire, Snake-Eye Ash+Flamberge, the Sinful Spoils package, plus Promethean Princess and you have the perfect recipe of cards to carry and glue any level 1 fire strategy together. The new Fire King cards, specifically Ponix, just happens to be the perfect candidate to abuse this being a very low risk commitment in cards providing a medium-high reward of advantage+follow up. However if Ponix was literally just a LEVEL 2, Fire Kings and this Structure Deck wouldn't be on anybody's radar to worry about.
Don't agree necessarily. The deck should be called snake eyes fire king for sure. the fire king engine has a big presence in the deck because of how strong it makes the grind game and the going second ability of the deck to be. 1/3 of your deck is fire king cards, about 1/4 is snake eyes cards and you splash 4 diabellestarr cards in there for more starters/extenders, rest is non-engine.
I feel like there were a lot of combos and play that Josh missed, especially being unlucky and going 2nd. I think it's funny how we got completely different POVs from MBT and Josh on this version of the deck's performance.
Win-con of the deck is kinda non-threatening rn, but it's ability to play thru boards is actually really nice. Which is why you see it doing well at MBT's side but not rated very highly by Josh because Josh wants to win YCS'es and he values a deck that can just win when it does it's stuff a lot more than MBT
Tri Brigade engine is a lot more consistent than Dogmatika I've found. You're counting on drawing Nadir Servant and introducing 2 bricks to the deck, whereas Tenki makes it 6 copies of full combo
Nib is not that strong versus the deck, you still got 2 interruptions from the GY/hand after it. Also like, arvata is a card Like, "I stopped their 1 card combo with nib and they only got two interactions and tons of followup" is not the win you're claiming it is, especially when ash blossom on snake eyes ash completely stops the 1 card combo and droll on the populus search is S:P pass at best regardless of the rest of your hand
Im a bit iffy on it considering its just another Fire King Island, and a majority of ocg lists run it at 2 + 2 of the continous spell, which I think is the perfect ratios. Not to mention to get the grave effect off you need to run the OG high garunix, which most lists dont run. The biggest issue though is that its most likely going to use your normal summon, which means no snake eyes engine or simply just no "normal summon Avrata and control." So if it gets negated you could just be left with nothing.
you are mixing up 2 things. Sure his pop effect could be better, but the main reason is his his first eff. Normaly you normal poxi get your continues spell which activate field spell. No you use the eff and you get ashed? you do nothing. Now imagine you normal your queen. they didnt ash it, you destroy 1 fire monster and either add poxi or scared garunix. So 1 of them you can ss from hand. and get full combo. So basicly they need to ash the queen or you get full combo. if you start you play with field spell and ash that you also have full combo if you normal queen. so bassicly you have another way to search for garunix. And if you just normal arvatar to protect your from ash, you need to destroy 1 fire monster so there is no diff instead queen can search you any ingane card and could also search tri-brigarde monster, if you want to play this version as well.
@@boshyugioh4829 I am aware of the combos and what Queen can do, however the point of my post was to point out the flaws of queen, which you even repeated when you said, "if you dont get ashed, you get full combo.".... yea and if you do get ashed you have to rely the field spell as followup. which may or may not be the case if you drew it. You also mention that there is no difference between Queen + Field Spell vs Avarata + Field Spell; there actually is a difference in end boards. If queen gets negated but the field spell goes through, you have at minimum 2 lv 8s...or Ponix + OG Garunix (depending on if you had the continous spell or not) aka either a dark hole or multi pop on your opponents turn. If you use Avarata to block an ash, you end up with Avarata + Sacred Phoenix, which you basically have 1 monster negate. I would say both are really good endboards (if you consider Avaratas and Sacred Phoenix floatability), but one thing I really like about Avarata as well is that it plays into 2 handtraps. Negating the field spell with ash and imperming queen completely stops you, but if you ashed field spell and imperm Avarata....youd still have to deal with Avarata on your plays. This may sound like im biased toward Avarata....and I may be just a bit, but I should clarify that both strats are really good and I could end up being wrong in the near future on which is better. If anything I just wanted to come in here to say I know what im talking about/have some reasoning to my claims. I really love this deck and its new support and I hope it succeeds in the tcg. But personally I prefer focusing on Avarata control over Snake Eyes engine or running 3 queen + triple field spell You do also mention tribrigade fire kings, so that could be a strat albeit I dont see it being better than anything else mentioned above.
Ruling question In EDOpro, it allows CL1 Garunix then CL2 Kirin (pop Garunix) to summon the activated Garunix from the gy. The wording is the exact same as Drytrons so i assume that "this card" is different in the GY from the one activated in the hand. So this shouldn't be the case, making some 2 card combos quite worse compared to that interaction. How is this ruled?
@@olliezoop CL1 garunix effect to SS itself in response to a fire being destroyed. CL2 kirin quick effect to destroy a fire in order to SS itself from hand. When they resolve, some people pop Garunix with Kirin then since it was activated as CL1 they summon it from GY.
I think that is a Edo pro’s issue. I tried the same interection with cards like blue eyes jet dragon or parshat and doesn’t let you summoning from gy on resolution. Same thing happen if you mind crash garunix on chain link 2, garunix doesn’t summon in this case
Snake eye ash is climbing but is still not too expensive, so even if everything else (bonfire, populus, princess) is expensive you can probably run the full power deck with 3 ash 0 bonfire 1 populus 1 princess and have a really solid deck for a relatively budget price
@@619ver1i tried volcanic/snake eyes and i with the phantom nightmare stuff u dont necesserly need diabellstar Like ofc its good and get u to ponix + follow up and à body but if u want to play a cheaper variant not named dogmatika its great
@@619ver1it's certainly optimal to run both, but the two don't really cross over into each other and 3 bonfire 1 ash IS stronger than than the diablestar engine. 3 ash 1 populus should very much be a viable budget version of the deck
Funny enough I got the entire sinful spoils archetype and sp little knight on the cheap still pricy dropped $250 but compared to now lol yeah thank goodness. Still playing traptrix but I'm excited for fire kangs structure deck
Fenrir is the maxx C of the tcg. You need to have any answer to fenrir or have a fenrir yourself. If they go fenrir and you dont have your own fenrir you lose.
for a decent rogue deck yes, if you wanna take it to a higher level i‘d say look into the Nadir Servant package or - if you have the budget - the Diabellstar engine
Maybe It's just facing bad players but I've literally not lost a game to fire kings on the pile of mid that is Field Spell Roulette Ft. ABC, Vaalmonica, every lv7 dragon Synchro Enabler and link spam
"Why is the ocg (FINALLY) only playing one copy?" Maybe because it's easily searchable and can be recycled infinitely??? I swear I don't understand how people (not you Joshua) can be so dumb. This question triggers me so much because I got attacked everywere I said multiple Sacred wasn't useless or stupid but bricky and unnecessary. I guess this is due to story repeating itself, because long was the time it took to players to play one Citadel or Balerdroch rather than two, let alone three like it initially was for Sacred. Just play Fire Recovery if you are so afraid of getting it banished.
@@IndiSeeEm Rekindling: "Special Summon from your GY as many FIRE monsters as possible with 200 DEF, but banish them during the End Phase of this turn."
If you already play Thrust, this can be an incredible tool to make the final push through the opponent's board since nothing locks you and you will get 2-3 bodies at the very least. The huge issue is that it requires you to already play the game, and unlike something like Talent it can't work on its own
As someone who has found a majority of decks either lame or boring af in the last 2 years I can say that Fire King is anything but boring. Was honestly the fresh breath of air I needed and I wasn't even expecting it to be good, it just has a nice playstyle that actually takes skill and isn't degenerate "non game" type of deck like a lot of decks in the tcg format atm (mikanko, infernoble)
