I Told You! Nintendo Is Suing Palworld On Multiple Counts And Seeking Damages 

Step 1: Own one of the most profitable franchises ever Step 2: Don't reinvest profits, cut corners Step 3: WTF? How are people competing with us? Step 4: Engage in lawfare instead of fair competition

Nintendo has zero basis for any copyright infringement claims. That's why this has taken so long and is going after patents instead.

Lawyers looking over it are saying its a SHOTGUN approach on the patents that are vague patents that they are trying to make stick. Palworld does not infringe on the copyright ARCH that is why they are tying this patent thing.

Nintendo: "I grant you the highest honour I have" *lawsuit*

nintendo :"we will not give the fans what they want and nobody else is allowed to either"

>suing for "damages". Nintendo: You've damaged our brand! Fans: *looks at Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet* You have done that yourself.

I do recall Nintendo admitting they wouldn't be able to win a suit earlier this year. We'll see how this goes. Edit: Yeah, I'm pretty sure sure Nintendo tried this with Digimon and lost. And no, you can not confuse Pokemon with Palworld. They only look similar in that the creatures we inspired by the same animals. Bonus: Speaking of patenting mechanics, Namco added Galaga as a loading screen game in Soul Calibur...3? $? I have to check. But they immediately patented the loading game so no one else could do it. Japanese companies are cunts.

Yeah, Nintendo cannot win a Copywright lawsuit as their lawyers and Legal teams have all Green Lit Palworld - they already lost that argument during construction. Pocket Pair and Poikemon/NIntendo met and went over with legal combs every Pal design - and were given the green card to move forward. Nintendo would LOSE that argument in a heartbeat if they tried, it is the reason they didn't attempt that instantly despite how similar the designs were. What Nintendo and Pokemon team are going after are the Patents on HOW the game's mechanics run: Catching a Creature in a device - Raising a Creature in a team - Creature obtaining new moves as it gets stronger in levels - Creature being used for competition against other Creatures - Creature following/being loyal or friendly to the Player after being caught - Those are the concepts Nintendo and Pokemon team are going after....I don't need to tell anyone else here how utterly INSANE this is - but they are trying their hand at it now. For whatever reason.

Its not enough to simply be able to mistake the two products. If that's the case all military shooters could sue each other.

The probable reason why they are going the patent route, is because Nintendo/game freak also has "stolen" designs from fan creators for their new pokemon. If they go and win a process, based on stealing designs of monsters, they would open a door for a precedent against themselves. With patents they wouldnt open this precedent, as fan artist rarely have their designs patented.

No Arch. They could not win a copyright claim. They literally have 0 chance which is why they don't make that argument.

Nintendo are grasping at straws. They are more willing to sue Palworld than make a good Pokemon game.

Even in Japanese courts, Nintendo is very unlikely to win this. In fact, Nintendo better hope they don't win this, because if they do, then they are also breaking patent and presumably copyright law as many of their own designs and ideas are not original.

Bad take about copyright. "Could mistake it for pokemon" argument is bullshit. If that was all it took, Digimon would not exist as a franchise (an average person can't distinguish between digimon and pokemon).

Nintendo sneakly waiting for Palworld hype down so they can caught Pocket Paint underhanded. However should Nintendo win it'll hurt their upcoming Pokemon game reputation.

This got me thinking. Did nintendo ever sue Digimon or monster rancher for also being Pokémon """"knock offs""""?

It took Nintendo longer to sue than I thought it would

Sony was setting up Nintendo for a massive PR win with the ps5 pro announcement... All Nintendo had to do was announce a good and reasonably priced Switch 2... But then they decide to nuke good will by suing Palworld for essentially being competition.

Apparently, Pocketpair has just Tweeted that *they are unaware of any specific patents they have supposedly infringed upon and have not been notified of such details* *VERY* *SUSPICOUS* *INDEED*

Do note Palworld winning might not impact anything, since not all law systems run on precedents.

The claim is spurious since they have no proof. At this point Pocket Pair has already made sure they broke no possible laws and it will be a losing battle for Nintendo.

Nintendo : "SHAMEFUR DISPRAY"

At this point: Copyright law is a greater detriment to culture and creativity THAN OUTRIGHT PIRACY. Copyright law was meant to protect artistic integrity, now it's the greatest weapon against free market competition.

Lets not forget that pokemon legends of arceus was originally a fan project that nintendo struck down and then stole for themselves.

Nintendo is suing Palworld over a patent. The patent, which was filed five months *after* the release of Palworld. We are living in clown world.

Nintendo is hoping Palworld will fold without a fight since Nintendo doesn't have an avenue to victory. They've been aware of Pocketpair for years, and patents require a timely execution of legal proceedings and that is assuming the claims aren't spurious, which due to how vague the patents are, they likely are. There will be no copyright followup.

Nintendo suing for patent violation instead of copyright infringement makes me think they're not as confident in their chances of success in court. Why else would they wait SO LONG and under a rather baffling complaint? We'll just to have wait and see how this plays out.

What this lawsuit really says: "The last generation of Pokemon games underperformed, so we're going to file a frivolous lawsuit in the hopes that our nearest competitor in that genre capitulates without a fight so we don't have to step up our game in the future."

Haha this is beyond dumb for many reasons one its nothing like Pokémon. Palworlds has monsters you raise sure it is also a farming, shooter, adventure game rpg. Pokémon is pretty much claiming anything that has creature's you raise and fight is Pokémon. This is like Pokémon suing Digimon because they both have monsters tou raise and fight

Their own designs aren't even original, Square Enix should sue nintendo for stealing Dragon Quest designs.

Nintendo being Nintendo nothing else is new here.

They might as well sue Temtem and various other "collect colorful pets and have them battle" games, from mobile to Steam.

I don't think Palworld would count as a copyright violation. It doesn't outright copy any pokemon or pokemon assets and is mostly original in their design.

They did not make a copyright claim, so no, they would not win. Trying to patent ideas that predate Pokemon is far harder, they go down that route because they have no other choice.

The game plays almost nothing like pokemon, it plays more like ARK

Next square Enix suing Nintendo for the same reason as Nintendo did.

im still pissed at nintendo for going after the emulation scene

How does this serve Nintendo's public relations image?. It seems misguided and petty quite frankly makes me less likely to promote their games and systems. 2024: year of the corporate blunder

I'm sorry Arch, this is in no way shape or form a lawsuit based on what you thought would happen. You, me, and everyone else that thought there would be a lawsuit, or grounds for a lawsuit, would al be betting on a copyright lawsuit, not a patent infringement. Nintendo's statement about this is also broad enough to fit at least the Ever Given going through it, sideways. "we, at Nintendo, would like to state that, We, are breathing air!" basically. In the end, Nintendo is going to Nintendo, and all we can do is wait and see what the results are. I just hope you'll be as gleeful to report those results regardless of if they align with our speculations or not.

The day that you can patent game mechanics is the day that the gaming industry truly dies. It's like taking a patent of brushstrokes or painting technique for art.

Nintendo are mistaken if they think this will turn out their favor:- A)They waited for too long, they will claim it was to "investigate" but what it looks like is that they waited till the popularity if the game died down a bit in order to not anger too many people (they will come off as underhanded and scummy) B)Ironically Nintendo is accused regularly of copying fan designs and using them in their games without compensating the fans, wonder how they will defend that 😅 C)There is zero chance of misteking Palworld for Pokemon, they are on two separate systems and different genres, and Nintendo doesn't own the concepts of capturing and training monsters or cute animal designs, also never sued Digimon, Monster Rancher or Temtem, they won't win this. Also Arch, the deadly prank Israel pulled off was aganist the Lebanese Hezbollah group not Palestinians.

Oh my oh why can't we keep nice things

Gonna be honest here. If Nintendo wins this lawsuit, I will never buy another Nintendo product ever again, for as long as I continue to live. I've collected Legend of Zelda and Pokémon products since the 1990s. They will never get another dime from me, and I will actively look for every little thing I can do as a consumer to damage their business in a legal sense. This shit is anti-competitive to an extreme degree and *needs* to be punished, straight up. Frankly, this lawsuit is making me strongly reconsider getting the next-gen Switch successor when it comes out.

good thing the palworld devs got the money to counter sue or fight back. the only reason why nintendo is suing, because the game was a smashing success.

Oh come off it! Whats next?! Is Namco going to go after Nintendo since alot of gen 1 mons are "based" off of Dragon Quest mobs!?!!!? Personally, I'd like to see the end of the age old debate of Pokemon vs Digimon.

Nintendo will never let a good thing happen with anything near their IPs if they can help it. They fear potential competitors getting off the ground, whether indie or organized, and look down upon anything they don't own. We learned this lesson a long, long time ago.

I'm taking a guess: capturing monsters as slaves inside a ball will be the patent.

No your honour we didn't rip of Pokemon... we ripped off Digimon. 😂😂😂

I dont think their lawsuit are gonna work, plus this just make them look awful and gonna cause people to rally behind palworld. And its not like Nintendo has a monopoly on the concept of capturing creatures and making them fight, not to mention the games are completely different gameplay wise and even if the designs are similar they are also different enough to not be held liable for that stuff the law is very loose about that stuff, thats why their were so many off brand merch with just pikachu tail having a bit of brown and that was enough to make it legally distinct enough.. overall this is horrible decision by Nintendo heres hoping they lose.

Nintendo are truly pathetic. I hope this stupid lawsuit is thrown out. It's funny how they haven't gone after the numerous other Pokemon clones - just the one that was actually successful. What a garbage company.

Trademark and Copyright arn't the same. Trademark you have to defend. Copyright you don't.

Arch: they're going to sue palworld for copywriter. Months later- Nintendo sues for patent rights. Arch: See! My broad speculation was correct!!

Palworld is not even close...

As per patenting game mechanics Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor ,so warner bros , patented the Nemesis system And then did fuckall with it

You cannot "lose your copyright". You can lose your ability to sue in a specific instance if you let it go on for long enough, but that only allows that one instance. You have no "duty" to protect it whatsoever. You only need to protect it to the level that *you* want. It is not like a trademark.

Why should Pocketpair even care? Just counter-claim them in Chinese court, both sentences would be biased and equally worthless.

The only reason Palworld even got as much attention as it did is because the last four generations of Pokemon games have been removing features. Gen 8 really jumped the shark with removing the pokemon themselves. I'm at the point where I want to be the franchise to be handled by anyone other than TPC, Gamefreak, or their child companies.

Nintendo got no loss as the game is not on the Switch and is different to Pokemon.

Digital patents make copyright law look sane by comparison... WAYPOINTS were patented for over a decade, but the thing is IF nintendo wins this, they will end up getting sued 69 ways from Sunday for damages FAR greater than anything they could win... whats more, they will lose each suit. This would bring back a precedent that has basically been put to bed back in 2014. The only reason nintendo is now drowning in such lawsuits is because of that 2014 precedent.... God help gaming if we go back to random companies claiming to own the rights to basic concepts like FPS, or MMO, or MINIMAPS, or HP BARS.... with the full legal right sue anyone who does not license said concepts which they use. People are sitting on these bogus patents without the legal precedent to actually act on them. So I kinda hope nintendo sets that precedent in the Japanese courts. I'll have you know I own the digital patent to the design of ~character identifiers located in close proximity to health indicators~, and ohhh boy Nintendo is in for a few 1000 lawsuits. I'm going to be rich lol

Copyright has no chance. Pokemon exists in the same country as Digimon. They would lose. However if some insane process like how Sony patented microtransaction advertisement was infringed they got a better chance.

Looks like Nintendo and Pokemon already lost. So they won against a number of Chinese companies falsely believing momentum will carry them here and yet they filed a patent lawsuit.

Here's a crazy idea: How about just making a really good Pokemon game that blows away Palworld?

Imagine stealing Dragon Quest designs and then suing others like they ever belonged to you, nintendo and their bot army are a joke.

What's the possibility of a connection to the timing between Akira Toriyama's death and Nintendo launching this lawsuit considering Nintendo is effectively guilty of the same bullshit as they ape'd off Toriyama's Dragon Quest for several pokemon?

Why now? Because next week is the release of the next Zelda game. Nintendo does shady thing -> Controversy happens -> Zelda comes out and people forget about controversy and say how great Nintendo is

They win copyright? Wtf are you talking about arch, they don't own the concept of capturing monsters. And if you say they look alike so palworld is in the wrong, then every military shooter should sue each other.

Let's not forget Nintendo started as a Yakuza racket and the Japanese are after all, VERY big on maintaining tradition.

I personally think this is just a scare tactic suit to see if Pocketpair will willingly back down. Not sure if they're correct but many a lawyer has said that this would be a difficult suit for Nintendo to actually win, even given Japan's severe copywrite laws. Frankly the game is more like ARK than Pokemon so my OPINION is, best case for Nintendo would be Pocketpair having to change some of the pals that are "a bit to close" to Pokemon.

The members of the Church of Nintendo must be cheering loudly right now.

For what i checked, people are saying that this is patents made in Pokemon Arceus, after Palworld creation. I don't have much details but i would love to see someone explore this.

Nintendo is suing for Patent infringement people, not copyright. So no, Nintendo isn't suing for the designs if that's what everyone is thinking, but rather is for a posible gameplay mechanic that apparently was patented by them.

Arch failing to understand the difference between copyright and patents for 12 min

If Nintendo wins the lawsuit I will never purchase any of their products ever again. My grudges run deeper than the book of grudges it self.

They recently won a lawsuit with a chinese company that was making pokemon spoof games So I guess they feel confident

If they win, Nitendo basically own the genre. I doubt they actually will win, especially with that patent bs

The problem here is that this lawsuit was filed in Japanese courts which are notorious for putting down any case of "fair use". Even if the Pals had original or inspired designs, completely original code, etc, the courts can still just say "Oh, this is too similar to Pokemon so you lose". That doesn't exist in the US court system and that was one of my major concerns when I realized Pocketpair was a Japanese company. They're facing an uphill court battle but I hope they stick it out and players support them through it.

I have a feeling Nintendo will lose this HARD.

They want that off brand money lol.

Patent and copyright law is complete horseshit anyway. Unless you are directly impersonating another brand, you should have no other protection than the quality of your product, and the advantage of being the first to come up with it.

Nintendo had better hope they lose, because of they win, that would open the door for Atlus to sue the pants off of them and Game Freak, since Shin Megami Tensei did the whole "beat up and catch monsters and then make them fight for you" almost ten years before the first Pokemon games where even released. After they lose, Nintendo should make some heads roll in their legal dependent, because those bastards are as litigious as DisnESG, and this is an optics disaster for them, especially if it's true and then word gets out that their own legal department signed off on each and every one of Pal World's creature designs.

The game has been announced over 2 years ago and Nintendo had almost 3 years to scrutinize it for copyright infringement and they did nothing in that time. Now they are suing for patent infringement. If the word patent is correct and not a mistranslation, then the only possible thing Nintendo can be suing for are the pokeball lookalikes used in Palworld to capture the monsters.

Ah yes, Nintendo caught people having fun without their underpowered shitbox again.

You don’t want Nintendo to win this, Nintendo is trying to claim they own the concept of monster collecting, it’s kinda like when react Bros tried to own the concept of reacting.

If Nintendo could so easily win a copyright lawsuit against Pocketpair, they wouldve done it long before the game ever released.

While many Palworld designs feel very much like they could have been from a Pokemon game and some even look kinda like direct parodies, I don't think the remblence is close enough for a realistic chance to win a copyright lawsuit. Nintendo probably thought suing over some patents might get the palworld creators entangled longer.

Nintendo sit on a lot of patents like the direction cross for example. But they don't go to court and use them for flex most of the time. Palwold called the bluff and now Nintendo must go to court and risk loosing some patents recognition or give up and let everyone know those treats are empty.

Nintendo: "We have decided to use the money for more Pokemon." Fans: "Are you improving anything?" Nintendo: "Improve? Oh, we finished too early. We're going to use your money for Pokemon lawsuits."

just a reminder they could of dealt with Pocket pair years ago their both japanise company and both would know what the other is working on, and Pokemon only recently Patented the catch a mon thing as well as the other patent, this is clearly targeted.

Psh. And EA should sue Activision because Call of Duty plagiarizes Medal of Honor. Nonsense.

Best case scenario they win, different shade means jack all nothing Worst case scenario they lose, they have Pals that is clearly too obviously resemble Pokémon and they have to overhaul those Pals or delete them completely

A problem Palworld's devs have to deal with though is a court system full of old people who have no clue about gaming. Arguments such as how they are completely different genres of game or on different platforms will fly far over the heads of the people deciding if they're at fault or not.

"There is a statute of limitations. You have to defend your copyright otherwise you lose it" - What complete nonsense Arch. Did you even try to look this up? No Arch. You do not lose your copyright. Not until 70 or so years after your death will you lose it. What you are thinking about is not copyright but Trademark. You have to defend your trademark unless it will be considered abandoned. If you have not defended your trademark for 3 consecutive years, your trademark is considered abandoned and can be used by someone else. Copyright =/= Trademark EDIT: So even if Nintendo haven't defended their trademark or copyright. The statute of limitations does not even play a factor here Arch. Palworld is not even a year old. Do you think Nintendo should not be allowed to defend themselves in court and protect their own creations because they didn't bring someone to court fast enough? That is nonsense. The courts might not even have time to handle your cases yet. Nintendo might not even found who is violating their rights within a 6-9 month period. Should I be allowed to sell my own bootleg Pokémon merch because Nintendo didn't bring me to court within 6 months? - I am so sorry mr Nintendo guy. I understand you have been dealing with a much bigger lawsuit for more than a few years now. But you have now lost all your legal remedies because you didn't sue this mr nobody within 6 months That mr nobody will now have full legal rights to use everything you have made. Arch. This is what you have said in this video, and it is ridiculous.

In the case of 'owning' game mechanics, WOTC has claimed copyright (but not patent , I think) on the 'tap' mechanic (turning a card sideways to indicate activation and/or exhaustion of a card), which is tenous at best… but that’s probably a reason no other card games have used it and use other ways to handle similar functions.

The only way for this to be a patent case is if it used patented code. Gameplay, mechanics, and asthetics can not be patented.

Oh for god's sake, Nintendo... Well if there's any justice, Palworld will win this handily. It's difficult to see how Nintendo could have any legitimate argument other than "they took our general (not covered by copyright) idea and did it better than us."

It won't go as pleasant for Nintendo as they might think it will go...

Wb commited the stupid of copyrighting and/or patenting the Nemesis System

Under Japanese law, they can unfortunately sue. For people who say Japanese has no copyright law or they do not have grounds to sue, their copyright laws are very extensive. There are a few article that can allow creatives to sue for the most thrive of things as well as the most nonsensical of things. Legal Mindset had gone through that before last year and if I remember correctly he said their chances of winning is somewhat high. And now that they did sue, how it would look on them is another question.

If only the court of law could be decided by popular opinion, instead of simply whichever party has the most money. Imagine a world where the more well liked product had the strongest legal protections. Giant companies might actually have to please their customers to maintain their market domination, if that were the case. And Palworld would beat Nintendo in a landslide.

If i remember correctly Japan biggest law firm is basically Nintendo.