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I turned BF rates to max and learned something profound 

Joshua Bardwell
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00:00:00 - Let's take "rates" to the limits!
00:01:10 - Real quick: what are rates?
00:01:45 - I'll be using linear rates (no expo or curve)
00:02:33 - Easy: 300 degrees per second
00:04:03 - Weird: 100 degrees per second
00:06:21 - THE MINIMUM: 10 degrees per second
00:09:31 - I can do this: 900 dps (linear no expo!)
00:11:36 - THE MAXIMUM: 2000 degrees per second
00:13:05 - The profound thing I learned
00:13:54 - The power of expo curve!
00:18:34 - Conclusion

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@TheEviling
@TheEviling Год назад
What i learned from this video is that rates of 100 is good for learning how to fly. And rates of 2000 is good for learning how to build quads :)
@lixxfpv
@lixxfpv Год назад
😂👌
@skatamartin4970
@skatamartin4970 Год назад
@@lixxfpv the perfect comment does't exi- wait! this one right here
@Daniel-xg8el
@Daniel-xg8el Год назад
True😂🤣
@Sir_Hubris
@Sir_Hubris Год назад
😂🤣🙃'build, fly, crash and repeat' hahaha briljant thought M8 ¶ ; - )
@pandrews01
@pandrews01 Год назад
good one
@phildawe7172
@phildawe7172 Год назад
I like how this experimentation takes the mystery and fear out of tweaking the settings. - I used to be afraid to touch anything once I was content with my settings. This was just good ol' fun!
@tk-maker
@tk-maker Год назад
yeah, newbie here. recently I try to set up 4 to 6 difference profile at 6 position switch. never try never know.
@rudypoirier7793
@rudypoirier7793 Год назад
Same Phil.
@vizzieizzy
@vizzieizzy Год назад
Honestly I think I learned more about rates with this fun video, than with one of your bench videos (no offense at all) love to see more of this style. When you see the extremes of something it helps to understand what the fine tuning can do. Great video
@zedex1226
@zedex1226 Год назад
For real. I don't even fpv. "Just" camera drones. And learned a ton about setting up those mode switches for different use cases in cinematography applications.
@captainthruster9484
@captainthruster9484 Год назад
This is what makes this a unique hobby. Years and years into it, a RU-vid channel based around it, this guy's entire life is fpv including his income. The last 30 seconds of the video he had the most genuine joyous laugh. What other hobby can do this this far in? I'll wait
@SCFPV
@SCFPV Год назад
Not many, if any, can compare to fpv. The range of emotions alone keeps me in it. You'll have the most joyful, intense, relaxing, frustrating, blissful, angry, nervous and awe inspiring wallet busting time of your life with fpv, with all those emotions hitting at the same time. Wouldn't trade it for anything. 😁
@ramus9
@ramus9 Год назад
3D RC helicopters.
@ramus9
@ramus9 Год назад
@@SCFPV That's what all my buddies airplane guys said about their hobby, same thing my other friends the helicopter guys said too lmao.
@overdosed51
@overdosed51 Год назад
Ehhh... have you ever owned/worked on any classic cars? 🤣 You'll get the entire range of your emotional spectrum in the first week I promise
@ChainsawFPV
@ChainsawFPV Год назад
@@overdosed51 Nick you hit the nail on the head. Classic resto is one of my longest hobby (job?). 30+years now. While I have said some bad words in FPV, nothing brings out the best in a person like a broken bolt in a impossible area. Lmao
@stevealbin8257
@stevealbin8257 Год назад
This literally is the most informative tutorial on the impact of rates. Totally awesome. I'm going to revisit my rates.
@ifyoueverwondered875
@ifyoueverwondered875 Год назад
You should totally set up some races where all the best flyers race at the lowest rates lol. It would be interesting to see the different lines they take
@ericcoker8784
@ericcoker8784 Год назад
This experience/experiment needs to be a "must watch" for newbies like my self. I understand scaling of throttle and expo! My helicopter experience has taught me much, but this is awesomeness!
@dusti25
@dusti25 Год назад
i love all of your content but the videos when your out in the field making adjustments to the quad are my absolute favorite. This was such a good video!!!!!
@chilloutfpv991
@chilloutfpv991 Год назад
I know you did this video just for fun but I actually learned more about rates than any other video has ever explained it
@kloudfpv
@kloudfpv Год назад
bwahaha, i was dyeing when you dropped the rates super low! great F*%king video Bardwell!
@Raven187FPV
@Raven187FPV Год назад
max rates! max fun!
@elishahodgson1635
@elishahodgson1635 Год назад
This is exactly what I did 6 years ago in the freerider sim to figure out which rates I wanted. I ended up settling around 1100deg/sec and never looked back!
@Adam_Carbone
@Adam_Carbone Год назад
Loved this video, was genuinely fun to just sit down and watch! Appreciate the testing!
@Hahahe568
@Hahahe568 Год назад
“I don’t like linear curves at all”~Joshua Bardwell 2022😂
@spec4echo
@spec4echo Год назад
JB this was a really great video. Good test of the left and right rates, and you answered something I always wondered about but never did! Keep it up!
@koltongrundy2639
@koltongrundy2639 Год назад
I need to see 2000 degrees per second LOS!! 😵‍💫😂
@argyleskyfpv461
@argyleskyfpv461 Год назад
Awesome video Josh. I cant wait to try this!!!
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations Год назад
You know, Joshua, it's going to be interesting a month from now... To see how this experience changed your rates!
@filippinoflipfpv1380
@filippinoflipfpv1380 Год назад
Love how much you love doing this!
@djovanimiok3487
@djovanimiok3487 Год назад
As usual in your videos I learn something !!!!!!!! Thank you for for the time and great video. You talked about rates in many of your videos, but this one is definitely the final cut.
@rudypoirier7793
@rudypoirier7793 Год назад
Hey Josh, even an ole gizzer like myself can learn about rates when You demonstrate them in a video like this one. Don’t let this compliment mess with the rates in Your head, but,,,,,man Your Good! Lol Blessings Joshua,,,Rudy 👍👋🇨🇦
@greatscottfpv2420
@greatscottfpv2420 Год назад
That was the funnest thing I've seen on RU-vid this year. Well done and great work buddy
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations Год назад
The beginning of the video made me remember the first time I tried to fly (in LiftOff, of course, you always need to start in a simulator). I just crashed, and again, and again, and again... And I just couldn't stop laughing! 😂 Thanks, Joshua!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@robinkonings1728
@robinkonings1728 Год назад
Wow this made rates and expo sooooo much less complicated! Thank you JB!
@dominicpsn
@dominicpsn Год назад
i did the same thing before in Liftoff with the max/min rates out of boredom and for laughs. but this is great to see in real life, i was always curious how accurate it would be..and its pretty accurate to the sim. thanks for taking the risks 🙃
@RCDUDEFPV
@RCDUDEFPV Год назад
Great explanations of rates, Thumbs up
@armandrone9016
@armandrone9016 Год назад
That was really cool, I laughed a lot here. Your reactions were very real and fun, I loved it!!!!
@MactacFPV
@MactacFPV Год назад
This was a really fun video. Thank for sharing :)
@zfpv7211
@zfpv7211 Год назад
This is surprisingly fascinating. I have never thought about testing the extremes 😂
@mattwilson1305
@mattwilson1305 Год назад
I really like your content man. Thank you
@P8FPV
@P8FPV Год назад
This was a brilliant video showing what rates and expo do 😁👍🤙
@RCRitterFPV
@RCRitterFPV Год назад
Good stuff, enjoyed watching you learn :)
@IanBeaty
@IanBeaty Год назад
This is definitely one of the best Bardwell videos I have seen, and I have seen a lot! And I definitely learned something from it!
@615thAeroSquadron
@615thAeroSquadron Год назад
Thanks Josh..I have had a blast changing from one rate to another....Its actually made my quad even more fun to mess with. Now I must charge ALL my batteries up...fun stuff
@sammarple9443
@sammarple9443 Год назад
Loved the video a very learning experience
@babyzeefpv9887
@babyzeefpv9887 Год назад
Thank you for teaching me about rates Joel
@dystopiannoise6782
@dystopiannoise6782 Год назад
Awesome idea and video!
@stupiduser6646
@stupiduser6646 Год назад
I’m flying FPV for customers and this was the exact lesson I needed. Flying indoors cinematic this is excellent information.
@tylerelliottFPV
@tylerelliottFPV Год назад
This was a fun video. Much appreciated.
@leodfpv4628
@leodfpv4628 Год назад
Loved it bro that was awesome 😎
@johncarold
@johncarold Год назад
Hi Josh Great video on your BF rates. I just have never played with my rates, but I need to start learning how. I just fly with what the quad came with. The Mother-in-law house is looking great. LOL Thanks again for the video and information.
@brianbutcher7409
@brianbutcher7409 Год назад
The Low rates created a super cinematic effect on the video, smooth transitions are pleasing to the eye, could be useful technique for CineWhoop pilots to consider.
@BenadrylBillFPV
@BenadrylBillFPV Год назад
I think I've watched this video 10 times in the last month! Love ya JB
@karl244
@karl244 Год назад
9:30 Only works with calm conditions. If there’s some wind you need a certain amount of control.
@cyberoverkill5844
@cyberoverkill5844 Год назад
Good vid, lots of chuckles had
@ReggieRailSystems
@ReggieRailSystems Год назад
Kemosabe, you know, I learned some interesting changes to incorporate in my dual camera Andy Shen Geyser Camera drone. Turning my rates much lower than I thought anyone would sensibly go actually made some inside building shots far better than my mini whoops for indoor use. Yea, I learned something here big time.
@GoochiFPV
@GoochiFPV Год назад
Basically Skitzo's old rates at the end haha!
@NikCification
@NikCification Год назад
I subbed man! You seem like a very cool, nice, humble guy! Look forward to watching more of your videos. I actually plan to buy a DJI FPV drone at the end of the month! Very much looking forward to it.
@jeromeassauw6147
@jeromeassauw6147 15 дней назад
Definitely Learned Something today 🙌👍
@somerandom3247
@somerandom3247 Год назад
this video really shows off your skill. I have given different rates a go and crash out a lot.
@kibbycabbit
@kibbycabbit Год назад
Haha I can’t stop laughing. I mistakenly set mine and got myself triple barrel roll in less than half a quarter second. I really enjoy seeing JB experiencing it. 😂
@fpvgivy
@fpvgivy Месяц назад
Great Video!
@Sir_Hubris
@Sir_Hubris Год назад
I ♥ low rates and low (0) expo... and yes for cinematic filming! ¶ ; - ) great video JB!
@ZorrotorFPV
@ZorrotorFPV Год назад
Watching Joshua Bardwell laughing made my day :)
@Bluesmurfpilot
@Bluesmurfpilot 10 месяцев назад
Sure, interesting, educational, learned something new, but the JB laughter though, priceless.
@scu-dub
@scu-dub Год назад
I'm just super impressed that you were even able to straighten the quad back out with the high rates lmao🤣 I would've been rolling left and right all the way to the ground 😂
@captainthruster9484
@captainthruster9484 Год назад
I guess we all learn a little differently. I understood rates because it's obvious. I probably watched 10 videos on expo and couldn't seem to grasp it. This video which is not based around expo at all explained to me in a way that made sense for a non-rocket scientist type like myself. Jb, helping noobs through osmosis
@SCFPV
@SCFPV Год назад
Same here. I had an Aha moment at the expo part. Good stuff.
@tk-maker
@tk-maker Год назад
this is the best test ever with lots of fun
@justfly7730
@justfly7730 Год назад
Best video I ve watched for a long time.
@sunshynff
@sunshynff Год назад
Great video!! Not only was it entertaining but it gave me a great tip. I just finished my first 6" build, it's main use will be a chase quad, we have a small midget class track nearby, but I also film local downhill long board skaters a couple times a year at competitions and for fun. Was trying to decide what rates would be good to use, but after seeing this, I won't be afraid to tune it down way lower than I would have before. I mean there's turns in down hill skating, but it's not like an F1 track, it's pretty straight with casual curves. Thanks again!
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
Bear in mind, the faster the quad is going, the faster you need to be able to turn, if only to suddenly slow down or swerve to avoid a crash. I'd always want to give myself maybe 500 dps at full stick for emergencies even if center stick was much lower.
@AmericanSmallArms
@AmericanSmallArms Год назад
Just like the Feds... Higher and higher rates! 🤣
@leukota
@leukota Год назад
Fun fact: If you are against the fed, you are by definition a Confederate
@JoshDisher
@JoshDisher Год назад
I'm so glad I discovered this hobby at a time in my life where I can afford to keep breaking stuff... (I'm finally flying 100% in acro and feeling comfortable flying proximity anywhere there aren't moving people) I'm super stoked at my current ability, but I've destroyed SO MUCH STUFF to get here! I actually have several "cringe" moments that even now scare the shit out of me! The worst of the worst was when I created my own parallel charging setup for 3x 1500mah 4s batteries... Thank God they caught fire right away instead of 10 min later when I was planning on going upstairs 😅
@RandomMiscShit
@RandomMiscShit Год назад
And this video has taught me more about rates than any other video
@jesselopezdrones4396
@jesselopezdrones4396 Год назад
I gotta try this very interesting outcomes. 🤔
@GrimSpeedFPV
@GrimSpeedFPV Год назад
This was cool!
@CLMcrawlers
@CLMcrawlers Год назад
Nice experiment...👍🏻
@cantigas1990
@cantigas1990 Год назад
That's why I pay internet! Man your laught was so nice and happy 😁. Nice vid mate really funny to see... I don't even fell the time passing by.
@RakishRc
@RakishRc Год назад
Awesome video! Fun and experimental. I'll try and play with the rates to get my hglrc Veyron 30 cinewhoop fly better hopefully 👍
@donh7654
@donh7654 Год назад
Joshua, awesome as always! This is really good for beginners, to know how to dial in the rates on their first drone and also on a simulator. I really don't know why the simulators don't have a beginner set up after angle mode. Also having a mix with the yaw and roll. Then slowly reduce the mix when the beginners get more proficient. Getting time on the sticks is so important. I'm just learning to fly drones. But I've been flying DC planes for many years and you don't put a beginner in a 3d flier. Just doesn't work.
@gus8378
@gus8378 Год назад
I use a low rates mode on an AUX channel to land precisely
@TheVeganarchism
@TheVeganarchism Год назад
Any chance of a tutorial? That sounds like a great idea.
@gus8378
@gus8378 Год назад
@@TheVeganarchism These are my rates and switches setup. Acro Mode: Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s Roll 0.50 |0.71 |0.20 |345 Pitch 0.60 |0.71 |0.20 |414 Yaw 1.30 |0.32 |0.15 |382 Landing Mode: Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s Roll 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Pitch 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Yaw 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Throttle limit (scale): 60% Throttle middle point: 0.7 Throttle expo: 0.5 Air mode: off The Yaw on the landing mode is the same as pitch and roll, but it feels much more reduced than the others compared to our usual Acro mode rates. That is meant to provide more control and stability, and it's better to line up the quad with the place you want to land while still in acro mode, before activating this landing mode. Also notice that there is a 60% throttle scale, also to provide more precision and altitude control, so you have to quickly move the throttle up a little bit as you activate this mode. You also have to tune the throttle MID point to match the throttle needed to hover, as this is different in every quad. Turning Air Mode off on Landing mode is so that it won't bounce off the surface you're landing on. This way you can just reduce the throttle to land, instead of having to disarm before you touch down like we do on Acro mode. It takes a bit of practice to get used to it, but not much. You can see some examples of me landing on my car roof at the end of my GEPRC Phantom videos on my youtube account. (There is a Bardwell video explaining how to set up different rates profiles on AUX switches)
@TheVeganarchism
@TheVeganarchism Год назад
@@gus8378 Thank you so much!
@mohamadkatmawi8015
@mohamadkatmawi8015 Год назад
The laughs at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 just pure joy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Flumphinator
@Flumphinator Год назад
And today, sbang was born.
@Gosuminer
@Gosuminer Год назад
For years I've flown rates that aren't too far off your 300/2000 experiment, mine are 300/1440 and it is totally possible to nail 360° snap rolls/flips with a little practice. Very low rates are a valid choice if you don't intend to ever go upside down ("Mavic mode") but you would have to combine this with throttle expo (or Lidar support) to help with height control for smooth footage.
@FastSloW-qt8xf
@FastSloW-qt8xf Год назад
Haha i run stock 670 on everything and it flips and rolls just fine right off the ground. To fast of rates id think wouldnt look to nice on camera.
@FlyZoneFpv
@FlyZoneFpv Год назад
😂😂Good one JB 👊🏻👊🏻
@James-ch7un
@James-ch7un Год назад
Defiantly learned something. Very good video of how rates control the quad without me just banging some numbers in and crashing.
@notsure1502
@notsure1502 Год назад
Elbow rates in 22 like its a new thing
@Sebastian_992
@Sebastian_992 Год назад
Hey Joshua, Can you maybe make a video on „how to find your custom rates?“
@slaughtercarterfpv1336
@slaughtercarterfpv1336 Год назад
Each day I learn a little bit more about this hobby
@wlajanek
@wlajanek Год назад
Dziękujemy.
@survivealiveofficial4056
@survivealiveofficial4056 Год назад
I like my rates up near 900 with 60% on my expo...gives me the response I want for freestyle, and the smoothness for cruising.
@airgunningcolorado78
@airgunningcolorado78 Год назад
I've ran a quad with expo and maxed to 2000degrees/s. Double rolls a few feet off the ground and sketchy. Theoretically if you are typically at 900/1000 and move to 2000 and keep your same timing on tricks they will all be double. Yaws spins flips and rolls look crazy 🤪
@lambo_drives
@lambo_drives Год назад
wonder what maxair420 rates are? thing that make me think hmmm.... thanks for playing, Joshua
@SunriseWaterMedia
@SunriseWaterMedia Год назад
As Max would say, "rates suck!" Lol
@lambo_drives
@lambo_drives Год назад
@@SunriseWaterMedia 🤣 i's just bein' punny, you's just bein funny
@Drunken_Hamster
@Drunken_Hamster Год назад
Try to program in something like this: First 1/3 of the stick, linear to 100-deg/s. Second 1/3 of the stick: "linear" moving up to 400-deg/s. Final 1/3 of movement: "linear" moving up to 1600-deg/s.
@kevinanderson1096
@kevinanderson1096 4 месяца назад
Thank you for this tutorial on beta flight. I am just learning this but now understand rates. Lol you got me laughing
@georgeaura
@georgeaura Год назад
Ok that was awesome
@gqp4800
@gqp4800 Год назад
Helps me understand
@Charlie_Waffles
@Charlie_Waffles Год назад
Quality content 😂👍 so fun to watch… ^^ so 2000deg/s looks a bit like Mr. steeles Style of flying 😂
@DankElm
@DankElm Год назад
I feel like I’m the only person that flies rates like mine. I fly 50 center, 500 max, .5 expo. Super controlled and slow adjustment near the center but I can still throw a flip or roll in less than a second. Works well for me, I primarily just skim fields at high speeds and then get height to flip and roll and then dive down again.
@KCQuadTronX
@KCQuadTronX Год назад
god i love it i cant quit watching
@SteveCEvans
@SteveCEvans Год назад
Impressed at how little bounce back you got at 2000 deg/sec. Maybe this is a valid tuning step? Would be interesting to see the logs.
@DaSkatesta
@DaSkatesta 6 месяцев назад
Youre like the VSauce of FPV lol! Thanks for the info!
@astro.sergiu
@astro.sergiu Год назад
@JB How did you get those 3D sticks to show up on the screen? That is awesome, maybe make a quick video on it? 🙂
@jakepickett3685
@jakepickett3685 Год назад
That's great for science probably the only person to do this on purpose
@LourieJacobs79
@LourieJacobs79 Год назад
Stress testing that battery strap with G's!
@quadsquadfpv2476
@quadsquadfpv2476 Год назад
My quad had an issue that made it roll and pitch at probably 300 dps no matter ho much I bumped up the rates. That is the worst feeling when you try a foward flip at 300 dps! Thank god I figured that out! The in flight adjustments, which controlled rate profiles, somehow got set to my flight mode switch. Even though I would change my rate to say 1.5, it would go back low when I hit that switch on the taranis and put the quad in acro mode. I hope this helps someone. It would make my quad almost unflyable, at least for freestyle flying. 🤣
@wearemany73
@wearemany73 Год назад
Okay, this is the ONLY fun, enjoyable way to learn about rates. I've got to mention how beautiful it was at JB's place. 🌞 Ohh God, I'm such an old man..👴
@TheDro
@TheDro Год назад
haha loved the new challenge of slow rates. they should make a slow race for drones like ive seen with motorcycles.
@pacificnorthwestpilots6050
@pacificnorthwestpilots6050 Год назад
What a great thumbnail 👌
@eddycurrent413
@eddycurrent413 Год назад
good one bud
@wilmesz1992
@wilmesz1992 Год назад
I experienced this when setting up a new whoop. Somehow the settings got messed up and set the rates to 2000 degrees linear. I didn't realize it and took off and immediately did a faceplant into the ground. I actually flew it around for a bit but it was downright scary!
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