I'm SO GLAD there is people out there as crazy as me about old movies, and still shooting 16mm film. Please continue, you are making very good quality content !
@@kpfilms8124nope you just crank a few times and probably each time you will get 15 to 30 secs each time each roll a 16 FPS Is I believe 4 minutes worth of footage. And at 24 frames is about 2 and a half minutes. 100 Ft
I’m not sure how much this advice transfers to smaller formats like 8mm & 16mm, but in 35mm and 120 stills formats, negative films tend to resolve more detail when overexposed than when underexposed. I would imagine the advice from the era was given because it would be projected rather than scanned because of a lack of technology at the time. Highlight information can be recovered from even a few stops overexposed in a lot of black and white negative films. It’s the shadow detail that gets muddy and lost with even just one or two stops underexposure. Super glad to see that your camera’s in working order and that you’re giving it life again after what was surely at least two to three decades of being a shelf-piece!
I just got some vintage 16mm film lenses, and now I'm so inspired by your creativity and bravery! Thank you for making this video, and keep on making vintage movies!
I have always wanted to see what it would look like if a modern film maker would use a an older camera. And this was so satisfying!! Thank you so much.
Sir this was a major inspiration.... im a 17 year old lover of film and old world tech. I want to get into this for reenacting wwii but dont have a clue where to start. Id love to hear back!!! I hope this channel explodes!!!!!!
Thanks so much! Outside of google search, I wasn't sure where to start either but I've found the Film Photography project to have a lot of good resources (no spon, just like them). There's also Archive.org for old movie reels and documents on how to use old cameras. And ebay and etsy are good places to find old gear if you know what to look for. Hope that helps and good luck in the future!!!
Great commentary! I love films from the early 1910s through the late 1920s. Watching the evolution of technology and technique of early film making. Seeing them scanned in high resolution, correct aspect ratio and proper frame rate now shows the artistry. Awesome channel!
Wow! Thanks so much!!! Sincerely appreciate your kind words. And yes, I'm grateful too more and more people are appreciating the artistry of old films thanks to the dedication of the people who restore them. Thanks again and hope you enjoy the next video!
The thing about film that people forget is that film itself, modern film stock, is very forgiving. It has great latitude. It has to. For all the reasons you mentioned about never being quite sure, they've worked so hard for decades to make sure that a stop over or under... it'll be OK. You'll get what you need.
1:44-1:54 "The Passion of Joan of Arc" (1928) still ranks today as one of the greatest films ever made; many thanks to The Vintage Filmmaker for the inclusion of this truly cinematic masterpiece---Andromeda International Records and Films
I have always wanted to see some video recordings of modern vehicles, cities and people using those old cameras, I just love how two time periods can merge together and produce something beautiful
Awesome thanks!!! I'll let you know when Milo's up. Still need to figure out music and scoring btw. If you know anyone who'd be interested in working on it lmk 😉
Really amazing video - I have experience with film but knew nothing about vintage movie cameras and silent films, it was incredibly informative and really fun to watch - absolutely loved your awesome personality and storytelling! Subscribed :)
I thought shooting still photos on film was involved, this is so much more. I have always loved the old movies, but this content has made me appreciate the old flicks even more. Thanks for sharing.
Thank YOU for sharing your encouragement! And my apologies for the late reply (busy with life stuff) I'm so glad you have a new appreciation. I hope to have more up on the channel soon. Thanks again!!!
Beautiful video! Really glad your film turned out so well! Looks fantastic! I actually prefer the look of the 1940s film over the modern digital camera footage.
Thank you very much for your quality content! I am considering the K3 16mm Soviet Camera, which your video is pushing me to purchase! Thanks from the UK!
Alright...YOU👏ARE👏SO👏COOL this is literally what i was looking for, i wanted to see how films looked like back then in theaters, i love silent horror films and IM SO SUBSCRIBED and i love your humor AND EDITING
@ Vintage Filmmaker The viewfinder is on the wind up key side, under to the shutter button. Yours has one too. Its that little round window. Click your lens CW one click to bring it line with that viewfinder. Then you can look through the lens to focus it on camera for the shot. Thats how it was done before DSLRs were invented.
god bless you matey!! I'm atm working with a Universal Mercury 2 from 1945, i've had some setbacks, but I'm going for it still. you have encouraged me to persevere :-)
i really want to see at least few videos or films that are filmed with vintage cameras but show off modern stuff, that could be a great mindscrewing for some lol
You're welcome! But I'm actually a millennial and I have two daughters that are Z and we're all extremely passionate in our generations! Sorry you're experience has you seeing us a different way, but I promise there's more people now enthusiastic about vintage history, analog film, and all the fun things than there's ever been. Thanks for watching!!! Glad you enjoyed the video :D More to come (someday lol)
@ Vintage Filmmaker So im looking at my bell and howell 70HR here and there is a tiny viewfinder which you use to focus the lenses. You turn the lens plate to align the lens with the viewfinder and you can SEE if the lens is focused or not. No need to stick it on an DSLR.
I have shot a 16mm spring wound soviet film camera and its quite a experience because its kind of loud and awkward and uses a old obsolete tripod size. But the footage is just stunning I would give my kidney to be able to afford a 16mm camera with sync so I could shoot a entire film on actual 16mm filmstock. I love the way it looks and it just has so much character to it.
You and me both! I've actually been considering an old auricon newsreel camera which can be reasonably affordable, but an Arri 16 or even a Mitchell 16 would be the ultimate 🤓
Wow, a guy after my own heart 💜 This is sooo cool! I’m signing up now for your news letter. Just got out my “new to me” B&H Filmo 70 E camera, and trying to learn it as I watch you……. So much to know…… how did they figure this all out 80-100 years ago?! Thank you so much…… for now….. what’s next?!
Thanks so much Jake! And FYI in case you missed it, the film turned out great! You can find the finished film on my channel, here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ecRLtxCm9oU.html Good luck with your short film and hope it's a fantastic experience!
Dear Andy, one thing should be set straight. Movies didn’t look like the imagery of today after a scan and the whole electronic trickery. In the days there were nitrate contact prints from nitrate negatives, graded for projection in the light of arc lamps. Cinema projectors were equipped with Petzval type lenses, four glass, or derivatives of the Cooke triplet, maybe a Tessar in between. None of the lenses were bloomed or coated as we say today. Since that was the optical basis, projection positives were more contrasty and that has led to the ugly reproductions of the past 70 years. As Kevin Brownlow has put it: The Parade’s Gone By.
I still own a spring wound 16mm Pathe Webo. I’m in the mood to shoot with it. It was also made in the 1940s. But I’d like to mimic the color home movies in the 1940s.
Film actually can handle more overexposure rather than underexposure. It is the opposite of digital especially with color film. The amount of overexposure you had miscalculated probably helped more than hurt in some scenes.
I'm currently learning motion picture directing and video game development, movies are the greatest works of art since i first saw many, many, many of the movies which highly influenced me to become a film director. Video Games are barely being considered an art, which is nice, but it has drawbacks, with movies being audio and visual while seeing it on a big screen at 24fps (whatever frame rate) when gaming is audio, visual and interactivity when looking at my 42in. screen at 120fps (whatever frame rate)
I have some Filmos (and a 35mm Eyemo). They're good, robust and reliable. However, they're, optically, not the best. Had you used a serviced and adjusted Bolex H16, with a Switar lens, you'd see an improvement. Maybe at some future date, would you consider filming the same scene simultaneously, with a high-end 16mm camera, against the Filmo?
Thanks soooo much! Really means a lot. And whoa 20 years?! That's way longer than any movie camera I've owned. Good on ya! And I bet itc16 could still run lol Thanks again. Hope to have more videos soon!
😆 the first roll I shot i shot whole 100 foot backwards on the non emulsions side . Then shot on the emulsions side and it still worked out . Can’t underestimate film period
One rule of thumb with old 16mm movie cameras with no light meter is shoot in the middle of the day at f16. Know as the Sunny 16 rule. I have a Paillard Bolex no reflex 16mm camera by the way.
Hahaha. At least you had a better experience than I did making my first film! At least your take up reel wasn’t slightly bent keeping the film from properly spooling onto the take up reel, causing the camera to jam up and having to cut out a half reel of footage that didn’t spool on the take up reel and was crumpled up. Boy howdy I learned a expensive lesson. 😅 I mean the worst discouraging thing that could happen to a Noob filmmaker happened to me. But you know what? I’m not gonna let a bad experience deter me. I’m not giving up or quitting! 😤 Like Aaliyah said. “Brush yourself off and try again!”
CONGRATS! Glad to hear it turned out well! I've had my share of bad experiences to on other cameras. I should probably do a video on that to let people know that sometimes setbacks happen, especially when we're still learning the process. Keep it up! (And stay tuned! I hope to have more up on the channel...at some point lol)
@@TheVintageFilmmaker Next time I do 16mm I’ll use my B&H cameras. Im currently saving for an Edison Triumph Phonograph, and after that I’ll save for a Reflex Bolex H16. BTW The Cine-Kodak Special II is another cool vintage 16mm you need to get ahold of!
I like so MUCH this video because i'm i'm a era like this with a i think 1950's Konica s rangefinder that My brother bought me and damn it doesnt work but i manage to fix it or i think the las roll that i put on this camera has turned only a third of it, now after i did a Lot of other improvement and fixing a what i think is a light leak i only want to reaconditionate it with a new skin and shoot a other roll of a camera that give me a Lot of pain and i think i will only know until i get another 35mm film and take another test and i hope i will not get a third of all the pictures and i can show mu brohter that the cameta he gave me i get it to work and the emotion you put in this video is the emotion that i hope i put I only hope that like You i get My camera to work well
Wow that's awesome! I can only imagine what that was like to get paid to use such cool cameras lol Thanks for the uplifting comment!!! Really appreciate it 🙏
You have actually a Filmo 70-DA but the critical focuser is not installed and the opening plugged. Model D came out in October 1928, the DA was first made available in August 1930. Most models were continued in manufacture and sale for some years. Interesting thing about that lens you have with a focus ring going beyond infinity. You see an engraved C on the barrel, that designates the mount. C mount lenses replaced the B mount and that came after the initial Bell & Howell A mount found only with the earliest Filmo cameras. It’s possible that your lens was remounted or that somebody hasn’t adjusted the rear group correctly. The brown finish tells me that your model was either made after around 1950 or repainted. Bell & Howell offered a renewal for all their products. Only the serial number will help determine the year of manufacture. For repairs and further service, ww.film-mechanik.ch.
Hey there! Thanks so much for the input. You sound like you have insight into this vintage camera world. Would you happen to know how I could look up the sn of the camera? I would love to determine the correct year! I made my determination based on a manual and some service paperwork (I believe from B&H) that had the year 1947 on it, although of course that might not necessarily be the corresponding paperwork for this camera. Also, the badge reads just "D" with no "DA" and it's a standard 16 (dbl perf) camera which I thought also dated it further. I would value more information about determining the age if you recommend any good resources. Just lmk! Thanks again.
Thank you so much for your kind words. I felt the same way when I first saw the film, knowing the context of where that film came from. I felt kind of cheezy adding some sappy music over it and presenting that way in the video, but you know what? It's how I genuinely felt watching that stuff at the time - it's the closest to time travel I could get. I'm glad someone else appreciated it to in the same way. Thanks again! (and stay tuned - hope to have more up on the channel soon!)
Binging your videos now 😂 Lol that Singin' in the Rain reference.. I actually just watched that a few days ago! These videos are so well done and I love the music you use. Where do you get your vintage style music for your videos? Your movie came out so well!! Also curious where you're getting your film developed?
What I don't get is I could watch a hitchcockbmovoe from the 50s, intense vibrant colors, also you can see peoples eye color clearly. You can hear people who talk quietly. On a new movie you can't see people's eyes well, everything looks dull and drab, you can't hear people talk. What's all that about?
Hey thanks for the comment! So my B&H 70D did not come with a critical focuser installed, however, I also purchased a 70DL and basically swapped out the critical focuser tube. I DON'T RECOMMEND DOING THAT as I've since learned the tolerances are very tight - but with that said, I tested it and it appears to be working fine in my case. And glad to hear your HR is in good use! One day I may have to one (I believe you can expand to a 400 ft mag right?) THANKS AGAIN!
@@TheVintageFilmmaker Hello. I appreciate your response. I did not realize the DL, did not come with the critical focusing port. The HR model can except the 400' magazine and it also has the Veeder digital footage counter. I really enjoy your creativity and films.
Thanks! And the film scenes were shot on BW 100 ISO, and I think I mostly used higher f stops, between f11-16, maybe f8 once under the tree. And the frame rate was 16fps. PS love your user name :D
Hi there! I’m a total beginner when it comes to photography/filmmaking but really want to give it a go on a vintage camera. I’ve seen a few cameras from the 40’s on EBay but I have no idea what to look for. Do you have any recommendations? Great video btw!
Because back then, they cared about art and didn't mind the hassle and the investment and guess what, it paid off! Just like people like yourself, who love art for what it is and it's authentic true form. Look at the digital mess now, that looks inferior and cheap. I don't mean everything digital, i mean digital movies with film emulation and grains, which is fake in the first place and then it shows too : D I mean, just use digital as digital and don't try to copy "film look", just use film instead and don't be lazy, because it starts to look like a bad Instagram filter. It's something I would do, but until I got an actual film camera and filmstock, but for Hollywood who can afford it, it's a cheap way out
THANK YOU!!! How about a "buy me a coffee"??! lol Seriously tho, been busy lately but have shot more film and will have more content sooooon!!! www.buymeacoffee.com/VtgFilmmaker
Curious if the footage was shot at 16 fps or 24 fps? The digital video would most likely be 24 fps or 30 fps or whatever you chose, but most digital cameras will not shoot 16 fps that I know of. The scene where you walk to and from the camera are both the same speed, did you change it to 24 fps for that or walk slower as they did in the old movies? Secondly, if you are using a C mount lens, why not just get TWO identical C mount lenses and use one on each camera, so you do not have to change back and forth between the Eyemo and the digital camera? Just wondering?
If the experiment failed wouldn't you just repeat the process? I don't understand the dramatics about having the settings wrong, it's not like you were working with the last reel of usable film in existence...
