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I've Been In or Driven All the New 2024 Midsize Trucks and I Compare Them 

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You asked for it and you got it! Publisher Tim Esterdahl shares his knowledge after being in and driving most of the new 2024 midsize trucks on the market.
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@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 9 месяцев назад
Here’s a link to what’s new for 2024 midsize trucks: pickuptrucktalk.com/2023/11/whats-new-for-the-2024-midsize-trucks/
@JamesBrooks-g3b
@JamesBrooks-g3b 10 месяцев назад
I was looking to buy the Colorado. Test drove it 3 times, but in the end, I purchased Frontier Pro4x. I enjoyed it more and Nissan went 4k below msrp and was willing to give more for my trade in. I have had the Frontier for a few months now and I really like it. No turbo and It doesn't need it. It is peppy and has plenty of power.
@danieljacob9216
@danieljacob9216 9 месяцев назад
Kid has an SV and what a great truck. Very solid feeling, He's had it for 4 months now and runs great, plenty of power, decent gas mileage
@n0xxm3rcyxx
@n0xxm3rcyxx 9 месяцев назад
How much if u dont mind me asking. Looking to maybe get one if everything goes to plan.
@thewireman134
@thewireman134 9 месяцев назад
Frontier is the best truck ever made! The colorado can shove its extra 200 foot pounds of torque at 2000 rpm up its tailpipe
@sharkskin3448
@sharkskin3448 8 месяцев назад
@@thewireman134 lol!
@scurjaldan5349
@scurjaldan5349 6 месяцев назад
Exactly, that extra torque dont mean much if it's always in the shop.​@@thewireman134
@endlessnameless3996
@endlessnameless3996 10 месяцев назад
Towing my camper was a huge factor in my decision to buy a Colorado.
@ivanarzate4719
@ivanarzate4719 9 месяцев назад
I like how you focused on the base and mid level trim tiers of the trucks. Which is what 90% of truck buyers will buy.
@josephharvey5742
@josephharvey5742 10 месяцев назад
I'm waiting to see if Honda brings out a new Ridgeline hybrid pickup and when this happens I'll be in their showroom to purchase one. All the other mid-size trucks have less rear legroom than the current Ridgeline and I want more rear rear seat legroom for my passengers.
@realronflorida8895
@realronflorida8895 8 месяцев назад
Ridgeline isn't a true truck, so doesn't get mentioned in true truck comparisons. It is on a unibody, the same as a minivan.
@AlowisciousMahoney
@AlowisciousMahoney 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, the Ridgeline to me is more of a suburban person pickup / car with a bed that is meant mostly for non truck stuff but can handle some light duty pickup stuff when needed. What it does it does really well though.
@reggiehucks1010
@reggiehucks1010 10 месяцев назад
A step on the rock rail works great on the ZR2. It is removable and an option.
@jimbrown7082
@jimbrown7082 10 месяцев назад
I like the Tacoma TRD Off Road and the GMC Canyon AT4.
@blackss841
@blackss841 10 месяцев назад
I'd probably go Nissan Frontier in this category. No matter what anyone tries to say, turbo 4s feel very unrefined in their power delivery compared to V6/V8. Sometimes you get too much power and other times it feels dead. Most of the 8-10 speeds don't feel very smooth with these turbos either. In my mind it makes the whole experience cheaper and beneath the price point of these vehicles. V6 turbos feel much better/linear so I have nothing against turbos in general. Depending on your terrain/weather conditions and load you "might" get better mpgs with turbos. Will they really be as reliable long term....obviously "no" on the average.
@josephbreen9955
@josephbreen9955 10 месяцев назад
The work truck is not targeted to offer. The LTS not targeted to offer. They both don't have a lift so they're offered. Trucks are the trail loss and Z72 and Z71 is appearance package? It's not targeted for offering. It's more luxurious.
@twack19
@twack19 10 месяцев назад
I prefer the mellower styling of the new Ranger vs. the new Tacoma, but I trust Toyota's reliability more. Leaning towards the Tacoma for this reason, but I think I'll wait a few years for all the manufacturing "gremlins" to be worked out before I make my choice between the 2...
@Wirenutby
@Wirenutby 9 месяцев назад
Hey Tim, great comparison. I am really interested on the rust and corrosion treatment between the 2024's of the Frontier, Tacoma and the Ranger. I saw one forum comment that the Tacoma uses s a "Wet film" on the inside of their frames. Not seeing much talk or reviews, even on the assembly line of how they combat the rust problem. Any input? A video review would be great since these three mentioned cost a small fortune that you expect to last for years.
@jimwhitsett4736
@jimwhitsett4736 10 месяцев назад
Many of us prefer to rely on testing of vehicles by the Consumers Union. RELIABILITY is key.
@stanztman68
@stanztman68 9 месяцев назад
I drove them all. I bought the Ranger. Extremely satisfied. I really wanted the Tacoma but it felt 10 years older than the ranger.
@TuffPeen
@TuffPeen 9 месяцев назад
Hey great video, this was really helpful. I just wanted to mention the Chevy Colorado Z71 is the more premium on road focused trim, that doesn’t come with any lift from the factory
@markive9907
@markive9907 10 месяцев назад
Great video ,your knowledge is incredible 👍how did your deer lease end up ? Mostly Muledeer in your region . 👍
@mikegrantham7440
@mikegrantham7440 6 месяцев назад
I want to downsize to a mid-size truck, but I still want a decent towing capacity. So the Colorado/Canyon and Ranger are the only choice because they have 7700 and 7500 pounds respectively. I was wanting to go with the Colorado LT because it doesn't have a lift, but the cloth seat material is as rough as sandpaper, and the passenger seat has no height adjustment and sits way too low. The Ranger has much nicer cloth material for the seats and they are not as stiff. Plus the passenger seat has height adjustment - both manual and power depending on options. Chevy REALLY needs to address this as they lost a sale because of that alone.
@321thach
@321thach 9 месяцев назад
The 2.4L 326hp and 465 torque iforce max Tacoma has more torque than the Dodge Ram 2500 6.4 V8 Hemi at 429 torque
@thewireman134
@thewireman134 9 месяцев назад
The turbomax 2.7 even makes the 6.4 look silly..
@Gene1969
@Gene1969 10 месяцев назад
I want to know from the commenters, how many of you cross shop these pickups at the dealer? How many of you go to different dealers to test drive these pickups or do you winnow the choice to one before hitting the store? I checked them out at the auto show and among the crew cabs I liked the Gladiator the best. It has a bed I can reach into easily and touch the floor of it. Plus I like the tow rating.
@williamconrad1087
@williamconrad1087 10 месяцев назад
I’ll watch until the Cybertruck reveal. you understand, right!
@RonaldCollins
@RonaldCollins 5 месяцев назад
Just picked up a new Ranger myself
@williambellew767
@williambellew767 10 месяцев назад
I think the new Colorado still has the base engine in the WT and LT. The other ones come with the HO
@jed6211
@jed6211 10 месяцев назад
You can get the higher output in the LT. I haven't looked at the WT
@williambellew767
@williambellew767 10 месяцев назад
Yes. What I meant was the WT and LT come with the base engine and you can opt the HO in both.
@abubbam
@abubbam 7 месяцев назад
Mid size towing is the most important stat after mpg
@IsraelUsman1
@IsraelUsman1 10 месяцев назад
Great review. I do not have anything close to your experience and familiarity with these vehicles or market dynamics. I will say one thing though. Your analysis on torque and being quick off the line is technically right, but incomplete. First, torque is more about pulling power or ability to move weight (the car, payload, tow, etc). A truck with less torque that pulls less weight is more efficient and quicker than a heavier truck with more torque if the torque is not proportionally better. Secondly, the benefit of low down torque at low RPM is not really about being quick off the line, it is more reliability (less wear and tear) and less maintenance costs over a given period. Give me a truck with low down torque anytime. Finally, I'll say that consumer trucks are not racing vehicles. De-emphasize which vehicles are "quicker off the line".
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 10 месяцев назад
Engineers tout the faster off the line statement.
@IsraelUsman1
@IsraelUsman1 9 месяцев назад
@@Pickuptrucktalk They are wrong, in my view
@butchgreene
@butchgreene 8 месяцев назад
I have been blessed and cursed by the first year redesign on the 2005 Nissan 4.0L platform. Nightmare. Took Nissan 4 years to resolve so many short cut issues. Blessed to have a friend FORCE them to cover $5k S.M.O.D. outside warranty. Cursed from that point forward with every cheap, corner cutting issue my buddies 2006 Tacoma has never experienced.
@dave9116
@dave9116 10 месяцев назад
Towing is an need in the midsize market. Bought my Ridgeline in 2012 because it was the right size for my needs, liked the in bed storage, and could tow multiple motorcycles or my side by side along with other stuff I needed. Looking to replace it and just wished they had increased tow to 7,500 lbs. so I could use it to get a small camper I want to my hunting lease.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 10 месяцев назад
Not my words on towing, straight from the automakers.
@thomasschofield6633
@thomasschofield6633 10 месяцев назад
or get the gladiator with the v6, also has the solid front axle
@Blue-moon12
@Blue-moon12 9 месяцев назад
And poor reliability
@johnjwatsonjr3835
@johnjwatsonjr3835 9 месяцев назад
Definitely have to disagree with you re: towing. We have a 20' RV and don't want a huge truck but we have to tow it. I think that mindset has changed in recent years. 7700 lbs of towing which both the Colorado and Canyon can pull is a good weight for a large segment of RVers. We're upgrading from a Ridgeline to a Canyon for that reason. Full size trucks are just too big for us.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 9 месяцев назад
Not my view on towing just what automakers tell me.
@bret9741
@bret9741 9 месяцев назад
I think a lot of full size 1/2 ton pickup owners would buy a mid size if they could get a 6.5’ bed and a payload 1500-1700 and towing at 9,000-10,000 lbs. I have a lot of work experience with full size and “compact” pickups all the way back to the 1970’s. I found the compact trucks Toyotas and rangers, single cab of the 1980’s and 90’s were really handy as a “secondary” vehicle. However thy simply were not capable or roomy enough to replace a full sized pickup. Now, today’s full size pickups have more power and better brakes than a 3/4 ton pickup of 1995. But their beds are not large enough and the payload is too small.
@josephbreen9955
@josephbreen9955 10 месяцев назад
Put colorado to the same amount as the gladiator except for the z72
@TREVORJB101
@TREVORJB101 10 месяцев назад
Even tho I think GM dropped the ball on the roll-out, updates, and execution of the Colorado/Canyon, I would still rather have one over the new Tacoma. Ranger would be a close 2nd. I just can't get myself to like anything new from Toyota. Their trucks are dog ugly and are more geared towards the average soyboy instead of more masculine styles offered by Ford and GM.
@jaykanngiesser3454
@jaykanngiesser3454 10 месяцев назад
An episode suggestion: talk to various engineers and discuss how RPM, boost, and rod and crankshaft bearing wear are interrelated. For example is there and measurable differences in bearing wear at 1700 RPM and max load and 3000 RPM and max load. How do the new low viscosity oils deal with this? Are variable output oil pumps calibrated to deliver higher volumes/pressure under max load? Toyota, GM, Ford engineers as well as Lake Speed Jr. to get a tribologist’s point of view
@emctrailrider
@emctrailrider 10 месяцев назад
I keep hearing you gripe about the GMC and Chevy with the shifter being right of the 4wd selector. the tacoma has almost the exact same configuration yet you have no gripes. Seems like you're probably biased towards toyota like most youtube auto journalists. I've driven tacomas my whole life but just got my AT4X and it is better than my previous tacoma in every way, and from what I've seen from the 2024 Tacoma, that hasn't changed.
@gtileo
@gtileo 10 месяцев назад
Tim what you should talk about is the GM 2.7 producing 350 ftlb at 1500 rpm, im curious to aee the torque curves of the 2.7 ecoboost and the 2.4 hybrid (less impresive imo, needs an electric motor to help it compete with the other two) The ecoboost has proven to be a pretty good hauler in the F150 and so has the TurboMax in the GM twins
@geezusmeatball1328
@geezusmeatball1328 10 месяцев назад
Gm 2.7 Ho have 430lbs
@gtileo
@gtileo 10 месяцев назад
@@geezusmeatball1328 I wasn't talking about peak torque. I was talking about the amount of torque it produces at 1500 rpm, it's the same output as the first version of the 2.7l that came out in 2019 that produced 348 ft lbs at 1500rpm.
@charlesp467
@charlesp467 9 месяцев назад
Doesn't matter if torque comes from engine or electric assist the tacoma destroys union made AC Delco crap .
@geezusmeatball1328
@geezusmeatball1328 9 месяцев назад
@@charlesp467 okay baby boy
@Manofsteel7896
@Manofsteel7896 5 месяцев назад
The Colorado and Canyon needs a new Diesel
@sharkskin3448
@sharkskin3448 10 месяцев назад
The way people drive lately, 400+ ft/lb of torque at 1500rpm, these idiots will kill themselves. Also, the absence of 6' beds with 4 doors is a huge mistake for fleet sales.
@nordlandak6853
@nordlandak6853 10 месяцев назад
So the question is how is Toyota reaching high torque at so low rpm? Why did Chevy and ford set it up higher?
@joshuahedrick
@joshuahedrick 10 месяцев назад
Chevy makes peak torque from 1500-4000 rpms
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 10 месяцев назад
I read verbatim from Chevy's own specs document.
@marklihsu
@marklihsu 10 месяцев назад
The question is why do the veteran turbo truck mfg have the torque set at higher rpm? Do they know something that Toyota doesn't based on their years of turbo experience?
@joshuahedrick
@joshuahedrick 10 месяцев назад
Okay, so I pulled up my dino chart and it's the old one from before they increase torque output. It was holding 347 from 1500-4000. I apologize for being wrong. However, the new tune should still be making at least the 347 at 1500, and you said that the Taco will feel more powerful off the line. The regular 2.4t makes less torque then the 2.7 so I guess your referencing the hybrid?
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 10 месяцев назад
@@joshuahedrick hitting peak torque at a lower RPM will make the gas Taco feel faster. The total torque of the Taco hybrid will feel better towing up and down grades at speed. We are really just discussing butt feel and a matter of a nanosecond frankly. All new turbo trucks feel faster than V-6 engines off the line.
@Link-we8so
@Link-we8so 10 месяцев назад
Well I'm all for 4 bangers in mid sized trucks just not for a full size truck you plan to tow with.
@IrishNew
@IrishNew 10 месяцев назад
Keep the turbo 4 bangers. Turbos use gas when in boost and on hills and towing so you’ll be in boost All the time which will suck gas and make Me rather have a V6/V8. All turbos being forced induction creat more pressure, heat, wear and tear on internal components and engines wont last as long as a NA engine.All those midsizers have cramped rear seats. Im barely 5’7 and find them cramped and uncomfortable with the rear seat backs are dam upright. I doubt the toyota has more rear space than the new canyon.
@peiguy1982
@peiguy1982 10 месяцев назад
Competitive 1/4 ton market now.
@trl1980
@trl1980 5 месяцев назад
Honda Ridgeline is outperforming all.
@KParks
@KParks 10 месяцев назад
My dads V8 GMC Sierra gets better gas mileage than the Turbo 4 canyon lol
@R32vdubb
@R32vdubb 10 месяцев назад
Same with my previous Silverado, I would get around 23/24mpg Hwy. my current Tacoma gets a measly 16mpg Hwy 🤦🏻
@frankkeel8410
@frankkeel8410 10 месяцев назад
Is the tacoma bigh test gas only?
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 10 месяцев назад
Hybrid doesn't come out until the Spring.
@freed14760
@freed14760 10 месяцев назад
🤔 longevity and complexity V6 turbo vs V4 turbo hybrid???
@RRAPTOR24
@RRAPTOR24 10 месяцев назад
Ranger Raptor for me
@BigWheelFab
@BigWheelFab 10 месяцев назад
Non Hybrid TRD Off-Road Premium is 52k
@nordlandak6853
@nordlandak6853 10 месяцев назад
Crazy. Toyota raises prices in the final production year. On a platform paid for ten times over. That way the 3k to 4k difference between generations looks smaller. In reality it’s 7k….
@stevesafety6743
@stevesafety6743 9 месяцев назад
Problem with the Tacoma is a useless rear seat. It’s ok if you only putting kids in the back seat
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 9 месяцев назад
I've sat back there. It isn't useless.
@stevesafety6743
@stevesafety6743 9 месяцев назад
@@Pickuptrucktalk I’m 6’ 1”, it better be a short trip. And the seats don’t fold up. I think the Ridgeline is a better size 37” vs 32” rear leg room and a lot more shoulder room, the Ridgeline can seat 5 snugly the Tacoma seats 4 snugly. Bottom line 2 different vehicles for 2 different customers
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 9 месяцев назад
@@stevesafety6743 I keep having 6' and taller guys stop by to check out midsize trucks. I don't get it myself. None of the "crew" cab midsize trucks compare at all to full-size crew cab rear seat room. IMO if rear seat room is a buying reason, I'd never look at a midsize truck.
@stevesafety6743
@stevesafety6743 9 месяцев назад
@@Pickuptrucktalk I use to have a 2000 Dodge Dakota crew cab (36” rear leg room) and I like that size. Larger than the current midsize but smaller than a full size. Better for parking and garages. The compact Maverick has more rear leg room than the current midsize trucks.
@stevesafety6743
@stevesafety6743 8 месяцев назад
@@Pickuptrucktalk could be price point
@doublebackagain4311
@doublebackagain4311 10 месяцев назад
SOOO Glad I got my diesel Gladiator while they made them, Jeep now seems to be lagging in the power department until the new straight 6 Hurricane becomes available. PS: I tow my camper + utility trailer often. #TowRatingMatters
@thomasschofield6633
@thomasschofield6633 10 месяцев назад
Big screens protruding above the dash on all news trucks, distracting and ugly. also, no 4 cylinder vehicles should cost this much. I love my 3.6 v6 gmc canyon, last year for the v6.
@thomasschofield6633
@thomasschofield6633 10 месяцев назад
2022 model
@seaneastman6323
@seaneastman6323 9 месяцев назад
Who cares about more more torque and horse power . Your still pushing a for banger to its max ,we want reliability. And you need a speech class js 😂
@virgfresco1403
@virgfresco1403 10 месяцев назад
The new Ford Ranger will smoke them all!
@areg5528
@areg5528 10 месяцев назад
Haha 12 years old comment 😂😂😂
@texandy89
@texandy89 10 месяцев назад
Nissan came to late so I think Nissan needs to like keep up with refreshing there vehicles where they aren't late to the game they are always like far behind with this it's pretty sad to see the Titan going away but Nissan screwed the Titan to begin with
@sgbradley
@sgbradley 10 месяцев назад
Nissan was actually 1st a year before Taco and at least 6 months before GM when they showed it at the Texas fair.
@texandy89
@texandy89 10 месяцев назад
@@sgbradley I forgot about that part you are right I guess they should've waited till Chevy and Ford and Toyota refreshed their midsize trucks then it would make sense maybe they did it to early.
@MeliorIlle
@MeliorIlle 10 месяцев назад
The Frontier makes so much sense now.
@n0xxm3rcyxx
@n0xxm3rcyxx 9 месяцев назад
😂yeah sorry that turbo is really nice. I was all in for the Colorado trailboss. But nissan frontier engine will last me a long while. I dont trade in vehicles often so... im okay with a good strong reliable engine.
@smittysmitty481
@smittysmitty481 10 месяцев назад
It’s super close between all the mid-size trucks & I love it! The Tacoma TRD Pro & Off Road are my favorite but at $52k+ it’s too expensive. I will be buying the Colorado Trail Boss at $42k, with the skid plate package.
@jimmycline4778
@jimmycline4778 10 месяцев назад
Excellent choice, I bought mine for 41,100 every option but skid plate option, but did get the 430# torque calibration!
@Supaguy2u
@Supaguy2u 10 месяцев назад
I think towing is important now in mid-size due to the cost of full-size trucks. I downsized to a Nissan Frontier due to costs and I tow my 22' boat with it. Towing matters now more than ever.
@agentcarder
@agentcarder 10 месяцев назад
Nope, people aren’t going to be towing over 5,000 pounds with mid size trucks. Heck most people don’t tow over 7,000 with a half ton, no need to increase meaningless max tow numbers
@gtileo
@gtileo 10 месяцев назад
And bed configuration, work trucks are supposed to be cheap and capable, that's what a full sized truck is missing. Cheap. Not even the 3/4 tons are cheap anymore. At the current price points mid size trucks need to be able to tow and haul loads, nevermind this off road bullshit that manufacturers have in their heads
@gtileo
@gtileo 10 месяцев назад
​@@agentcarderthey don't need to increase the numbers. They have to make it better for towing. More confidence inspiring, better low end torque. Older outgoing V6s might have the power but when your cruising between 2500-3000 rpm at 75mph just to be in the torque band with an enclosed trailer doesn't leave many thinking their truck has enough power to pull a load.
@Supaguy2u
@Supaguy2u 10 месяцев назад
@@agentcarder not true. My boat is about 5,500 lbs loaded down. I wouldn't even consider a midsize that didn't tow over 6,000.
@skoolynugenator1802
@skoolynugenator1802 10 месяцев назад
@@agentcarderwrong
@DaveInCanada081
@DaveInCanada081 10 месяцев назад
How do they compare to the V6 Frontier? If I were to buy today it would probably be the Frontier.
@nordlandak6853
@nordlandak6853 10 месяцев назад
Nissan is buy used truck company. New overpriced and loses value quickly. Good truck but not worth it new….
@DaveInCanada081
@DaveInCanada081 10 месяцев назад
@@nordlandak6853 Good point. I never thought of it like that.
@Blue-moon12
@Blue-moon12 9 месяцев назад
​@nordlandak6853 New Pro 4x has a good resale value already. Good dealer discounts too. 5 year warranty and 100k. Bought my 2023 $4k off MSRP and 1 year and 20k extra warranty. Frontier prices hold well.
@nordlandak6853
@nordlandak6853 9 месяцев назад
@@Blue-moon12 not in Alaska.
@Blue-moon12
@Blue-moon12 9 месяцев назад
Love my 23 Frontier Pro 4x
@MacsAdventures22
@MacsAdventures22 10 месяцев назад
Disagree on the view on towing. I own a mid-size truck and a full size truck. I tow appropriate loads for the rating of each truck. Many times I use my mid-size for towing unless I need to tow and ocean liner up the beach!
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 10 месяцев назад
Its not my view. I don't just come up with these things. Automakers tell me these things.
@Gene1969
@Gene1969 10 месяцев назад
@@Pickuptrucktalk I find that very interesting because I see quite a few midsized pickups towing trailers. (Usually, they are the old ones on their third owner and are being pushed into the work truck position.) Today I saw a Rivian pulling a box trailer for their driveway refurbishing/painting business.
@thewireman134
@thewireman134 9 месяцев назад
As does the GM 4 cylinder 2.7... and at a much lower RPM. talk about towing grunt.
@iandl9147
@iandl9147 10 месяцев назад
Good video as always Tim. How do the quality (not features) of the interior/ trim pieces compare between the Tacoma, Canyon, Ranger, Gladiator and Frontier? I would also like to mention a couple things I noticed. - The new Colorado is actually rated at 7700lbs ...slightly more than the Gladiator...not that most ppl would tow that much anyway lol. - something that is not talked about much but could be really important is the 4Auto setting that come standard on all 4x4 GM/Chevy trims.....its not even an option for most other manufacturers unless you go for the higher / more expensive trims. Having owned vehicles with and without 4Auto , and living in an area with snow, i have found this feature valuable on those slippery mornings when the roads are sometimes bare but some snow patches here and there. - The other thing is the Colorados are not all off road focused, you can get a WT,LT neither of which are lifted. Even the Z71 is not lifted, its more of an on road package now (with the G80 locker). The only two trims that are lifted / off road focused are the TrailBoss and the ZR2. You are correct about the Canyon lineup all being lifted.
@NMTRUCKER
@NMTRUCKER 10 месяцев назад
I’m not a midsize truck person, however, the variety of midsize trucks and options today give the consumer a plethora of choices.
@johnstrand2247
@johnstrand2247 10 месяцев назад
During the second Great Depression, the best truck is the one that you can actually find on a lot.
@SkippyPB.
@SkippyPB. 10 месяцев назад
FYI. The Ridgeline’s infotainment and the gauge cluster has already been updated for 2024
@patrickmckowen2999
@patrickmckowen2999 5 месяцев назад
I just test drove the trailsport, it was nice. Such a well thought out functional truck. Cheers
@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw
@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw 10 месяцев назад
As nice as these are I'm leaning towards a last/current Gen truck. I can get what I want for about $10k less used.
@bikebudha01
@bikebudha01 10 месяцев назад
Ridgeline for the win. Unless you actually rock-crawl, the Ridgeline is the best in every other category... Engine good for 200,000 miles. Best handling. Best gas mileage. Most shoulder room (in any seat). Most efficient rear seating/storage area. 4x8 sheet of anything lays flat in bed. In-bed trunk. Swing-out tailgate (allows you to use bumper as step to easily get into bed. Also means you don't have to load 'over' the tailgate). Tows up to 5k lbs, if you need more than that get a full size pickup. Does not have cheap-ass 'macho' styling.
@johnjwatsonjr3835
@johnjwatsonjr3835 9 месяцев назад
We have a 2017 Ridgeline and love it. If only they built something a little more powerful for towing, we'd be upgrading to whatever that was. Unfortunately though we need a little more than 5000lbs for our RV. While we can tow it with the Ridgeline it struggles a bit.
@joshuakohles4367
@joshuakohles4367 8 месяцев назад
@@johnjwatsonjr3835sounds like you’re moving up to a full size truck then!?
@johnjwatsonjr3835
@johnjwatsonjr3835 7 месяцев назад
No a mid-size Canyon should do just fine which is what we're looking at.
@bikebudha01
@bikebudha01 7 месяцев назад
@@johnjwatsonjr3835 test drive the ridgeline first. The ride is better. There is TONS more interior space - both in the front seats - and in the back seats.
@patrickmckowen2999
@patrickmckowen2999 5 месяцев назад
​@@johnjwatsonjr3835 Same here, just needs a little more. I was looking at the Ranger, might wait for the 2.7 go come out. Cheers
@scottboyd8892
@scottboyd8892 10 месяцев назад
True Turbos have been around for a long time and in sport cars and diesel trucks. Now they are placing them in gas trucks and there is a huge difference. Diesel trucks run cool compared and at a much lower RPM. Much lower in the area at most is 2500 RPM and gas 4 cylinders will get to maybe 7000 RPM. That is going to cause a lot more heat and friction. So sports cars rev even higher. True, but not when towing and putting more of a strain on the engine. So when towing there will be more heat. If you don't tow or hardly tow, no problem. If you tow, more turbos will fail and most likely engine issue will be more common too. Chevrolet has said that the new engine they have gets worse gas mileage than the outgoing V6, So...... I would purchase a new Jeep Gladiator before any and the Nissan or Toyota next. It really doesn't matter much, GM, Ford and Stellantis will be out of business soon due to the crazy push by the Government for EV, which is a huge failure. Look at Toyota venturing with China on Ammonia fuel.
@erickisel8668
@erickisel8668 10 месяцев назад
Turbo does require more frequent oil changes as there are oil dilution issues. Engine longevity is a concern due to direct injection. I am 50 years old. I just want a truck to start everyday and do what I need it to do for 250k miles. Don't need 3 foot screens and a digital dash. Give me the basic info. Less is more to me. And there will be less things to repair and replace over time.
@Warbeaver
@Warbeaver 10 месяцев назад
Agreed, I dont need a full iPad screen and a turbo replacement is like 8-10k to fix at the dealership. They do use more oil so if you don't stay on top of it you'll be in trouble.
@dcmsr5141
@dcmsr5141 4 месяца назад
Fords Godzilla is naturally aspirated and if I'm not mistaken uses a TBI instead of Direct injection and no variable Piston BS. The drawback....it's 7.3L, it's all about compromise LOL
@andrewshenton6541
@andrewshenton6541 13 дней назад
Turbos will probably last longer than the truck itself the way things are built today
@josephbreen9955
@josephbreen9955 10 месяцев назад
The LT doesn't have a lift and the work truck doesn't have a lift
@nareshangelia-sookrajjr.1365
@nareshangelia-sookrajjr.1365 10 месяцев назад
Yeah I have the WT. it’s 7.9 inches of ground clearance
@deanmay338
@deanmay338 10 месяцев назад
Tim, THANK YOU for following up and doing this video. I have been in pickup research mode since the Spring, 2020 as a pandemic hobby trolling the dealership lots on Sunday afternoons when they are closed with a Starbucks and a pup cup for Gibbs, the Mississippi Maltese! As empty nesters 7 to 9 years ago, Laura and I purchased a small fiberglass camper in November, 2015. We purchased a 2005 Casita 17 Freedom Deluxe. It is about 2,900 lbs loaded. I had never towed, so in December, 2015, we purchased a 2009 Kia Borrego Limited V8 (335 hp/327 lb ft of torque) rated to tow 7,500 lbs in December, 2015. It was Kia’s answer to the Toyota 4 Runner, but much less expensive than used 4 Runners in 2015. We love camping! Since 2016, we have camped 374 nights, towed 32,000 miles, and visited 15 states! I got lucky in 2021 and was able to retire early at 58.5 years old, but the early retirement meant no new toys until early social security at the end of 2024. I know more about trucks than anyone I know that does not own a truck!!! I did have a beater 1967 Chevy C10 that I inherited and used for 15 years or so to haul mulch and a few other things. I also learned to drive in the late 1970s on a 1968 Jeep Gladiator that my dad used to haul diesel fuel and chain saws for his logging business. Currently, all six mid-size trucks are on my short list. The biggest surprise for me is the Colorado/Canyon going from irrelevant to being on my radar. I will also cross shop all 1/2 ton trucks in a base trim and mildly optioned. Of course, I am budget conscious, but there may be some overlap between mid-trim midsize trucks and base 1/2 ton trucks, so the 1/2 ton may be a better option in terms of value. However, we prefer the size and drivability of mid-size trucks. Actually, towing and payload are very important to; however, we are only towing 2,900 lbs, but we tow over 4,000 miles per years. When we purchased the Borrego in December, 2015, it had 83,000 miles on it. It currently has 160,000. Of those 77,000 miles, 32,000 were towing. So, I expect over 40% of our driving to be towing, possibly more as we do longer trips in the future. For me, payload is more important than towing since any mid-size truck rated to tow 5,000 lbs or more will tow our Casita. I am shocked at how low the payload is on some mid-size trucks, particularly with off-road oriented trucks. Speaking of off-road, I don’t need an off-road truck, but still want to have 4WD/AWD for camping, forest service roads, and winter driving. Regarding the trucks, it is interesting that we have 6 trucks with 3 of them being turbocharged 4 cylinders and 3 of them being normally aspirated 6 cylinders. My summative thoughts. . . Turbocharged 4 Cylinder Trucks: 2024 Toyota Tacoma - Wow! Love the look (exterior and interior). Love the range of trims. I would lean SR5, TRD Sport, or TRD OffRoad; however, a bit concerned that the TRD Sport and OffRoad could get pricey depending on how it is optioned. I also like that it can be optioned with a 6’ bed. Since we are considering a 1/2 ton truck, a Tacoma with a 6’ bed might be a sweet spot??? Price, particularly dealer markups, are probably its biggest drawback for me. I am also wondering if Toyota did enough to address mediocre payload in the previous generation Tacoma? I want about 1500 lbs of payload. 2024 GMC/Chevy Canyon/Colorado - LOVE the styling inside and out. Would probably lean Canyon over Colorado. Biggest question for me, are they reliable? Is that revised 8 speed transmission significantly more reliable than the previous generation that is suffering with class action litigation. 2024 Ford Ranger - Long history of turbocharged engines with their EcoBoost line up. I like the interior. I am lukewarm on the exterior. I don’t think Ford did enough with the new 2024 Ranger. Normally Aspirated 6 Cylinder Trucks: 2024 Honda Ridgeline - LOL, yes it is a pickup truck!!! ;) I actually like many of the features associated with the Ridgeline, including ride quality, rear seat room and the ability to have a flat floor with the seats folded up to haul camping gear, multifunction tailgate, in bed trunk, and, ironically, some of the best real word payload in the mid-size market. I also like Honda’s AWD system. I like the TrailSport trim for 2024. I am not a chrome guy and, historically, too much chrome on the RTL and RTL-E trims; and, the Black Edition is getting too expensive. 2024 Nissan Frontier - I like the look. Nice all around truck. Biggest issue is payload. I am not impressed with its real world payload. Also, crash ratings are mediocre. Interesting that it can be optioned with a 6’ bed. 2024 Jeep Gladiator - Most Gladiator trims will be too expensive for my budget. Plus, I prefer the Sport in order to get the max tow package. Not that familiar with their refresh. However, the Gladiator is a bit of sentimental favorite since I learned to drive a ‘68 Gladiator in the late 1970s. However, price and value trump sentimentality! ;) I do wonder a bit if I will miss the torque of my Borrego’s V8 (325 lb ft) if we go with a 6 cylinder mid-size truck. A friend that has towed a small “egg” camper with a V8 Dodge Dakota, a V6 Dodge Durango, and currently, with a 2.3L Ecoboost Ford Ranger does not think I will miss the V8 torque since our Borrego had a ZF 6 speed transmission and all modern mid-size pickups have 8 to 10 speed transmissions. Finally, I value reliability and safety, so those are variables that I pay attention to as well. In any case, over the years, your channel is one of my three favorite channels for getting real world truck information. I appreciate the work that Jill and you do. Again, thanks for this discussion of the mid-size truck market.
@Boobtube.
@Boobtube. 10 месяцев назад
wow, what a long comment. I had to refill my drink, 1/2 way thru it. LOL
@deanmay338
@deanmay338 10 месяцев назад
@@Boobtube. I had two cups of coffee before I got started! I was fully caffeinated!!! ;)
@Boobtube.
@Boobtube. 10 месяцев назад
@@deanmay338 only 2? I'd hate to see the result of 3 or more cups.
@deanmay338
@deanmay338 10 месяцев назад
@@Boobtube. Ha! Touché! ;)
@jimparker7778
@jimparker7778 4 месяца назад
This segment has gotten limp. Where's the value? Previous compact trucks offered a distinct slot for value conscious buyers. No more, not when compacts are selling for north of FORTY grand.
@robpetry84
@robpetry84 6 месяцев назад
I'm happy with my decision. 2024 colorado trail boss. I need to tow a camper and the 7,700 towing with trailer brake controller is awesome for a midsize truck.
@kingelvis7035
@kingelvis7035 10 месяцев назад
I was a little surprised to find Honda fridgeline sales price was about $45k - that's much less than I though it would be - and you get he 4wd for that price. I'm fed up with Detroit's junk engines, and Honda looks tempting at that price.
@joes8275
@joes8275 7 месяцев назад
Ridgelines are nice BUT can't get past the fact that they still have a timing belt with an interference engine!
@amio_roseto1
@amio_roseto1 10 месяцев назад
great video, the issue with turbo is also do with its ratio with the transmission, Tacoma V6 have less gear ratio and more powerful gear then the new 8 transmission with 2.4 turbo, also wear and tear on turbo is much higher and request constant oil change and know how to deal with a turbo, what will be the price for a new turbo if its dead ? no one knows.
@nareshangelia-sookrajjr.1365
@nareshangelia-sookrajjr.1365 10 месяцев назад
That’s because you had the off road versions of the Colorado. The WT and LT aren’t as off-road capable as those trucks. Especially if you get them in 2WD you don’t get a locking diff. You have an open rear diff. But value wise you are getting (aside from the maverick) the cheapest new crew cab pickup you can buy, starting at 30k.
@seymorefact4333
@seymorefact4333 10 месяцев назад
🤩 I'd buy the New Taco Supreme in 2026! wait for them to fix the kinks. Ford, GM, Nissan can make the most rugged capable truck...BUT, IF IT CAN'T GET YOU FROM POINT A TO B AND BACK TO POINT A....ITS WORTHLESS!
@elche1976
@elche1976 10 месяцев назад
Pretty low iq comment. Toyota had had more recalls in the past 6 years. They are rolling out the turbo in the taco now, where the taco was lagging behind in numerous areas the last 5 years. Take for example, the chevy/gmc... that 4 cyl has been used in the Silverado/ Sierra for 5 years and is proven. The taco has catching up to do... in power, space, towing, payload. It's true, toyota built their reputation when they were the main and only dog for a stretch about a decade ago. But there's a reason they have been around 5th in jd powers rankings the last couple years.
@shiftmotorsports9803
@shiftmotorsports9803 10 месяцев назад
They make more rugged, capable, and more reliable trucks. Do some research and catch up instead of regurgitating the same reliability myth
@morningdrums
@morningdrums 7 месяцев назад
So, am I taking away that I shouldn't get the 2024 Frontier pro 4X? I'm searching for a rugged-on road daily driver but a rugged trail riding off roader. I'm just not sure which one. Love to get something lifted with bigger tires.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 6 месяцев назад
Nothing wrong with buying a 2024 Frontier Pro 4x. It is a solid truck.
@urbanrver3527
@urbanrver3527 9 месяцев назад
So many trucks, so many you tube reviews. How the heck do you narrow down my next truck. It’s crazy, they all look nice.
@JBUCKNE
@JBUCKNE 10 месяцев назад
Tim, I voted for the comparison and you did well. As far as towing, let’s be honest trucks are more a status symbol at this point. I’ve been all over and I hardly see people towing or carrying loads. It’s an occasional thing that the lower level trucks can handle but we go for the bells and whistles and regardless of what we all claim MPGs absolutely matter.
@ktpinnacle
@ktpinnacle 10 месяцев назад
With the exception of pricing, never been a better time to by a pickup or SUV. So many choices and platforms depending on the use.
@Ldiepian
@Ldiepian 9 месяцев назад
Too many choices
@joeerau
@joeerau 10 месяцев назад
People wish to know what the mid-size truck payload/towing figures are because they wish to have a less expensive alternative to a half ton. Many buyers wish to pull a travel trailer that could be met by some mid-size. That is why I was looking at them, plus the ease of city driving conditions. What made me decide to go with a F-150 instead was due to the small fuel tanks in the midsize and not any appreciable mpg improvement. With the 3.5 F-150 I also may more leeway on payload and towing, an increased safety margin.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 10 месяцев назад
The issue with pulling a travel trailer with a midsize truck isn't the weight. It is the vertical footprint of the trailer with regards to wind. A larger travel trailer will move the midsize truck around the road a lot more than the wider and longer fullsize truck.
@DeJoe8
@DeJoe8 10 месяцев назад
This is where I'm at myself in looking to get into a truck soon. With prices coming down, I'm seeing 2021-2022 full size trucks in the high 40's and low 50's, with under 20k miles, which to me is still basically new. I know it's NOT new, so it's not an apples to apples comparison, but if I can get a ~2-3 year old full size, CPO, that gets the same MPG, same features, and more room and capability, I'm struggling to see the reason I'd go with one of these new mid sizes, even though I like them, other than that they'll fit in my garage better.
@agentcarder
@agentcarder 10 месяцев назад
People shouldn’t be though. Buy the right truck for the job.
@Gene1969
@Gene1969 10 месяцев назад
@@Pickuptrucktalk This is true, but I wonder if the buyers of midsized pickups don't mind this characteristic since it allows them to have a higher trim level or fancier options that they wouldn't be able to afford in a full sized truck or maybe they only tow once or twice a year, so it's not that big a deal.
@joeerau
@joeerau 10 месяцев назад
I came to the same conclusion. That is why I bought the 3.5 F-150 XLT. I bought a 2024 at invoice out-of-state. I looked at used, but the prices were so high it made sense to spend a little more for new and a warranty. Good luck on your search. @@DeJoe8
@thomasschofield6633
@thomasschofield6633 10 месяцев назад
if im buying a 2024 midsized, id get the nissan frontier, the only truck now with the 3.7 v6.
@michaelpopp6340
@michaelpopp6340 9 месяцев назад
3.8 v6
@natebecker2573
@natebecker2573 10 месяцев назад
Which one has the most rear seat leg room not including Honda and jeep?
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk 10 месяцев назад
Colorado or Ranger by an 1" over Tacoma or Frontier.
@spyder000069
@spyder000069 9 месяцев назад
How fast they feel off the line also has to do with curb weight and final drive ratio including tire size and weight. If the hybrid has an extra 500lbs of batteries it negates the torque.
@hectortoledo5914
@hectortoledo5914 10 месяцев назад
The midsize truck war has begun
@kaikelii
@kaikelii 10 месяцев назад
The tacoma is going to sell like hot cakes.
@davidzavala337
@davidzavala337 7 месяцев назад
My only complaint on 4cyl is that horrible sound they make. I love v8 exhaust, it just so nice. My second complaint is the rear leg room, that if your 6 feet like me and hace children you will have issues and not he as comfortable. Third, well, price. Fourth MPG is not so much better for the size Fith, screen sizes are getting too big
@clintshanks2538
@clintshanks2538 8 месяцев назад
You spent a lot of time on torque and when tq come on, but you got to consider gearing. 1st gear ratios on 2024 midsize trucks: Taco 4.4 GM 4.5 Ford 4.7 Nissan 5.4 So just because tq comes on sooner in the rpm, doesn’t necessarily mean faster of the line. So while Tacoma may have peak tq at 1700 rpm, it also has the lowest 1st gear ratio. On the other hand, Nissan has the lowest tq but the highest 1st gear ratio.
@sanji_alvarez
@sanji_alvarez 10 месяцев назад
Towing matters to me in a truck.
@jrod237
@jrod237 8 месяцев назад
Lived with a taco, carpooled in a gladiator, test drove a ranger. Honda Ridgline for the win. Large displays is for sport championship games & iPads. I regret nothing, the end.
@robertabbott8541
@robertabbott8541 10 месяцев назад
That older V-6 you talked about was a piece of sh. it. Gutless!!! I only hope the 4 cyl. Lives better than the chevy Turbo 4. How many total rpm’s are they designed to survive? Sell it Tim. Oh you also got downgraded for this one.
@danieljacob9216
@danieljacob9216 9 месяцев назад
Some of these mid sized truck prices are getting awfully close to full size prices. Why not just go with an F150 short bed with a 2.7?
@jimmycline4778
@jimmycline4778 10 месяцев назад
I bought a new 2022 Tacoma SR5 ext cab truck and the doors did open on it, they called it access cab, why on earth would they quit making that?
@Kdavis8377
@Kdavis8377 10 месяцев назад
Buy a 2023 4Runner. Still get the great 4.0 V6 And then buy a small trailer if you need to tow some stuff around.
@paulsumpter9573
@paulsumpter9573 10 месяцев назад
Drag race 'em!
@thomaslehmann5981
@thomaslehmann5981 9 месяцев назад
Im glad he said everyone doesnt want a full size truck regardless of mpg or price. If i wanted drive a fkn school bus i would buy one.
@polarbear7577
@polarbear7577 7 месяцев назад
I'm not asking for a infotainment screen , just want a solid truck that doesn't run on software that crashes
@danield-h1j
@danield-h1j 8 месяцев назад
Im pulling a 4k pound trailer everyday. Dropping down to a 4 cylinder is a hard convince over the long run
@pagodad8079
@pagodad8079 10 месяцев назад
Glad I’m not in the market for a new one. Keeping my 3rd gen 🌮 as long as possible.
@garybender432
@garybender432 9 месяцев назад
Off the line doesn’t matter to a lot of people. They don’t buy these trucks to race.
@scotw67
@scotw67 10 месяцев назад
When comparing them/discussing them, I’d do so as long as the trim levels are the same; i.e. ZR2 vs TRD Pro vs Raptor, base model vs base model, etc.
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