"I'VE GHOSTWRITTEN FOR N**** TOP 5!!! CROOK & JOELL SPEAK ON GHOSTWRITING & ARTIST W/ LYRICAL GIFT 

I don’t think people realize how dope crooked and joell are lyrically

I appreciate these lyricists Finally pulling back the curtain. Everyone Eats… rappers AND writers. 🙏🏾💪🏾💥

23 year old Biggie wrote Ready to Die..Just as important a 19 year old Rakim penned Paid In Full…2 classics by these young brothers that still stand the test of time!!

A true writer can channel anything to convey the message!!!!

Shout out to Hoffa for inviting two of the nastiest emcees of the new millennium to his show! You killin ish, Math!!! 🔥

Big up for Crook for mentioning MC Abdul!!! Thank you Math for shouting him out!

Gotta Thank @MathHoffa and The Crew For This Last Month Of Great Interviews

i always been a fan of Joel Ortiz , dude just naturally talented and underrated idc what anyone says.

Hoffa's line of questioning is top tier...He knows the right questions to ask 💯🔥

Crook’s Pen has always been elite level Since death row days respect, Joel nice also ✊🏾💯 salute Hoffa Gang

Ghost writing always been a part of hip hop and always will be

Much love to MC Abdul! That was really dope for shorty to get that shout out. He’s nice, too!

Diary of a ghost writer..a best seller waiting to be published 🖋📚

23 was old back then compared to now... by 19, I had a prison bid, a son, and mad life experience. These kids now got it good outside of places like Chicago where they still trapped in that mentality we grew up in. I'm 35 now. Growing up in the 90s was different. And worse for the generation before me.

That AI analogy was top tier!! Respect

Let's go 🔥🙏🏽 Math killing the game with these introspective conversations.

Crooked is freaking monster … go to his death row days to now 20 years of just mind blowing verses and deep hard shit

Man I straight up love the content, conversations and the direction of this show..

WOW.. I just became even a bigger fan of Joell and Crook! We'll all be surprised if we found out what they've ghostwritten for others, and not just Hip-Hop 🔥🔥

Damn how cool it is for MC Abdul to get a shout out by these guys on this show. That's love right there.

I did notice joel singing on that last album and I enjoyed it. Crooked and Joel made my playlist so fast with that album. I was listening to that just last night. I got atleast 7 favorites from that and i enjoy the skits, but i also have favorite skits from that album that also made my playlist which i always listen to. 💥

I enjoy every clip out out on this cast!! Its all informative and fire!!!

“MY ART FORM IS THE MOST COMPLEX” 🔥🔥🔥🔥 #PHANTOM 🎭

I was born in 94. Slaughterhouse is my favorite rap group of all time. House Rules was just 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Life after death was written by a 23 year old!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥that’s Ridiculous

This is why I call this show the best show that's on RU-vid right now because you can learn a lot from this

Speaking of being young and conveying feelings we all can relate to ..."Can we talk...for a minute?" Props to talented Tevin Campbell forever. It's not always about the writing, but the conveying of the emotions.

Pac was that dude. When I listen to his song they hit me hard. Brenda Got a baby made me feel sick to my stomach. Dear Mama always brings me to tears, Mr against the world makes me want to go against anybody. I love the fact that he is still relevant today 20 + years after his passing because he didn't write for his generation but for posterity

Math never gets the info or names that he want to hear 😂😂 much respect to all of those guest who never drop names (even though Math begs for it) 🤣

Sometimes it's not what is said but the person that says it that makes it powerful

Always amazing content homie, we rocking wit u down south Peace! ✊🏾💯

Hands down this was my personal favorite......explained a lot 👌

Pac wrote from the soul, you didn't have to be a hard-core person to understand Pac. My parents passed when I was young and when hear Pain I think about my parents. That song spoke to me during my middle and high school years. Dear Mama was another song that takes me to a place man. Pac was our generation Marvin Gaye.

I’m learning from this interview how intelligent Joell really is

Yoooooo you got crooked and Joel on here.... Big Salute Math. Big F.....ng Salute my G!!!

These 2 are so important in hip hop and the music game for cats like me man. Please keep it coming man Harbor City up my ninjas shits nockin

Good episode. Deep. Respect Hoffa. You on a roll.

Big, Jay, Nas, EM, and Jadakiss. Yeah I’m sure he’s not talking about my top five 😂😂😂

This THE best show on yt no cap, much love from naptown

Good shit Hoffa interviewing my guys

I don't know if there's further to this convo, but it would be interesting to hear Crook's and Joell's feelings/thoughts on their writings after releasing it to whomever. How do they feel about some of their lyrics blowing up, perhaps even more so than things they haven't given away? What is the experience like coming into contact with artists and, perhaps, their claims of greatness or otherwise notoriety when these guys know they've taken from their pen to get said acclaim (if there is such a scenario)? Is there a crisis of identity associated with the notion that another's voice or face is the only thing making something a hit when it was their lyrics that hit? I'm curious, because, for one, I could not take another's writing as part of my own career, even if as a singer, but also, where's the line to be drawn for creatives and crafting, especially if we value experiences? Are we more superficial than we say (I think that's a given, really, but with music as well?)? Either way, I'd love to hear their perspectives.

3:51 might be the biggest thing in hip hop that some OGs wont get but ,Hoffa hit the nail on the nose .

Math Hoffa ask the best questions.

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 loved this

I'm waiting for the conversation about royce on the show.

Homie Skeme From Inglewood Dope Artist. Wrote “Fancy” - Iggy. Huge record Bigger than his catalog. But at the end of the Day he Wrote it. It’s a lot of things that come with Being a huge artist.

Everybody usually that they write for ends up having a lot of fans and everything loving the music

Great Episode

" Whoever supposedly makin me hits, but ain't got no hits, sound like they need me." - Drake

Let's hurry up and get to the Elephant in the Room. Joe&5/9

Math "tank" Hoffa singing 😂😂😂😂

Do you my brother congratulations for everything that you've been doing you deserve everything that you have

Joell Ortiz wrote obsessed for Mariah Carey!!!🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭

Math fishing for answers be hilarious... hahahahah "I see what you did there...!"

MATH WADDUP!!!!💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥💜💜💜💜

YEA!!!! AINT NOTHIN WRONG WIT SINGIN FACTS!!!! MATH DO YO THANG BRUH!!!!💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥💜💜💜💜

Just go ahead and say Y’all wrote for Drake!!! 🤣🤣

Is Joell saying that “Brendas got a baby” was ghostwritten for 2Pac ?!?!

HERE WE GOOOOOOO - WIT THE CODE TALK!!!!!

Ortiz brought up Al Green and his singing experiences. Al Green remade and sung Old Tunes that was already out already in the in the 50s and the 60s. I don't think he went through nothing personally (love life) for him to sing those love songs like that. 85% of his catalog is old classic songs that somebody else sung before him. He just added his own spice to it. And then he did church songs that people did already. If anything he should have made a song about that woman pouring hot grits on him. That song would have probably been a super classic.

I go back and forth with the ghostwriting shit. If I heard today Hov didn't write any of the shit I grew up on then I think I would feel a certain type of way. But at the end of the day it wouldn't fuck with my appreciation of the music. I still remember being in my late teens when someone showed me Rhymefests verse on Jesus Walks and it was the saame verse word for word and that exposed Ye using ghostwriters but I didn't care at all. I think the art is the most important thing. I do think it takes certain niggas out of conversations in terms of who is the best Emcee, etc. I fuck with Drake and he can rap, but niggas penning that much of your records makes you a great artist, but I can't say you're one of the best emcees ever. Best artists/rappers? Sure.

Wish Esso and Hynaken were in the building to stand on that “money talk” they was kickin when Royce was there

Can't wait for you to drop this gem in entirety... HOFFA GANG 💯

Wisdom is in the building wooooo!

Rest in peace Tupac Biggie Small condolence to the family your soul live on greatest of all time

Ghost face .man that song fucks me up every time I hear it. Got dam

People forget how long these dudes been around. And, they still underrated!!

Math - you set the bar high my brother

Thank you bro, at least somebody is saying it yall swear these big artist really be writing all thi shit especially on these commercial hits and projects they push out, it takes a team to do this stuff😂

Math nailed it

I know my heart, but the Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above of all things and desperately wicked" and a deceitful heart cannot diagnose a deceitful heart...

What I wouldn't give to be able to sit in on that part of the convo about ghost writing, for heavy rotation artists, big high rotation records, and writing for other genres and turn the cameras off. Those NDA's....I hope they don't last forever...

KXng gives props to PAC and math instantly throws in the Big too😂 KXng is giving props to PAC towards the end once again and he casually disregards him 😂👎🏾💩

I'm proud of dis nih Hoffa for actually trying to be professional

Hoffa needs to interview Double O ask Treach and Redman about Big Bra!

Ghost writing could mean a lot of different things. From writing a couple bars to writing an entire song. Who knows what part of these songs these guys wrote for these different artists.

Ghost writing is a grey area. You can make claims. No one can dispute

Oppression, Depression, and Rejection has no age requirement.

Respect to the TANK reference! Milwaukee stand up!

These niggas be like "Jay, u should change this ONE word, its offensive" Jay-Z: "Aight" These niggas: "We wrote all Jay's bars, and ya whole top 5!"

Yeah when I really started writing about life and was going through more stuff I was like 18, 19

No matter the age it’s almost always relatable

I wonder if they written for my top 5 1. Jada 2. Busta 3. Dmx 4. 2pac 5. I can never settle.... so I leave open (biggie, styles p, sheek, method man, redman, mase, ll cool j, first album Camron, and such) I think my picks are all writing their own and others

I'm that type of writer Mecca spoked about. Been writing poetry since the 10th grade

This talk needed E$SO great interview still

It’s a difference when you ghost write a hit and not just a song . Anybody can say or claim they wrote something but did the song make a impact or become an actual hit

Fans dont understand that the best lyricists in the world cant write a hit for shit

Joell's lyricism is 🔥

Heavy Gratitude.

My top 5 is Nas, Method Man, Tech N9ne, Ras Kass & MF Doom.. I know damn well they didn't write for those guys lol, but hey maybe they're correct when it comes to other people's top 5's..

Crook no you havent wrote for no top 5 and if you did you wrote the chorus, Chill!!!

“Not everything I pen is Hiphop” 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Crooked My Dude!!!!

At this point I’m getting tired of rappers saying they ghost written for top rappers when they don’t say any names.

It’s HOFFA!!!

J is talking about Pop and etc... Once your pen is fire, you can dumb it down, and are connected you get those opportunities.

Yo Math what is that you're mixing with the Simply Lemonade?

I don’t believe it can’t make a hit for ya self but can make a hit for someone else

Crooked is one of the dopest ever on the mic 🔥🔥🔥🔥

Math charm crazy!!!! That’s NYB?