Check out my podcast "Car Chat" - @CarChatPodcast A year and a half after ordering, my perfect new 992 911 GTS has arrived. Let's have a look around. What would your perfect spec be? Cheers, Sam
Your wheels are as big as they can be if you get them from Porsche, it's a 21/20" setup. The smaller wheels would be 20/19". It's a lovely car, but you removed pretty much everything that makes a GTS a GTS. Why not the Carrera S?
Yes, and the smaller wheels will only fit on the Carrera - it’s the only size that will fit on the GTS. I think it still makes sense. For the GTS you still have to pay £3.2k extra for the GTS interior anyway, same price as this full leather option. You also get the extra power, larger brakes from the Turbo, GTS badging, and sport design front and rear bumpers (which some people option on the Carrera S. The GTS is still ultimately a parts bin special, so this build is as legitimate as a normal GTS.
@@andrewhurstcarsmeh, depends on how you look at it. You could also look at it from the perspective of the GTS being the only Carrera to get centerlocks, the larger Turbo brakes, and Turbo suspension.
It's good to hear you spec'd a lot of options that lean towards comfort and ride quality. I see too many videos on RU-vid where car reviewers only seem to care about how loud a car is and other impractical things that would make a care annoying to drive in real world condtions for long periods of time.
yeah, all about the use case of the car. A lot of youtubers are doing things to excite an audience which is pretty much the opposite of what i wanted with this car 😂
@sammooresphoto If you're buying a Porsche, particularly for the first time, there seems to be this implicit bias towards spec'ing towards performance. Which is absolutely fine. But if you find yourself waffling between performance (as if you're not getting performance regardless...) and something more road friendly, hearing from Porsche-people that "de-tuning" is perfectly fine or even preferable given your usage scenario, takes some of the pressure off of having to go full bore performance. 👍
@@sammooresphoto Actually you got it the other way around regarding the lightweight glass. It reduces the insulating noise lol. It's purpose (as confirmed by Porsche) is to "enhance engine noise characteristics and sound in the cabin". You waited 1.5 years to fail so hard lol.
Over here in the Netherlands we call a car that hasn’t been assembled properly “a Monday-morning car” where the person who assembled the car was probably still suffering from a weekend-hangover while working on your car. 😂 Still a beautiful car though. Enjoy it. And for what it’s worth, I fully agree on the manual gearbox and the sunroof. Adds so much more fun.
Since the clear rear lights are an expensive option, I’m sure there is someone nearby who would want to trade their Red lights for your clears. As long as it’s not too difficult to replace.
@@user-wf2wi5wc2kit’s still got the increased power and Turbo brakes over an S. On a GTS you still have to pay £3.2k extra for the full GTS interior, the same price as this leather interior.
those things definitely matter on a new (very expensive) car, I find them unbelievable to be honest, what kind of quality control is Porsche doing at the moment! Looking forward for your 991.2 GTS vs 992 GTS review, I'm split between buying a 991.2 GTS or a 992 S for a weekend car, so I would love to hear your thoughts.
Ooh, I shall have a think. Both probably similar speed so then it comes down to size of car, personal preference on whether you want something newer etc etc. 991 really is a nice size and usable interior...those cup holders! (where did they go!)
@@sammooresphoto is the 991 any more raw to drive? What about the sound? The 991.2 GTS pre-opf seems to sound pretty good. New is (almost) always better, but I'm looking for something emotional(ish) and still rational.
@@mariodiniz21The 911s are such amazing cars now, I doubt you’ll regret either. My own thoughts, after 4 years of 991.2 S ownership - I didn’t like the 992 dashboard (too much screen and shiny black plastic for my tastes) and it feels a much bigger car (even though it’s only slightly bigger). I also preferred the slightly less fussy design of the 991.2 vs 992. Every 911 since 996 has been too big and too fast for UK roads 😂 Might be different where you are.
@@WhiteRoseDrives Thank you for your input, I ended up buying the 991.2 GTS and picked it up yesterday, first impact is that it feels very agile (rear wheel steer) and light, and also faster than what I was expecting, the interior is old school now but everything works so well, even the PCM which has zero lag and can be controlled via touch and buttons/knobs. For sure the 992 S is better in many things, and I think it looks better in and and out, but it's also more expensive and slightly more GT oriented probably. It's impossible to go wrong with either.
I have waited almost 2 years for my car and it will arrive in a few days. I am most impressed you spec'd 5 lug wheels and carrera suspension on a GTS, I am happy to see I am not crazy.
I have had two 911 cars with the center lock rims; never again!!!!!!Every time I picked up a nail it required a tow-truck to take the car to a Porsche dealership. Four times this occurred. One time I was ordering tires for my pickup truck but drove the 911 to Mr. Tire Shop. Right in front of the shop I got a nail. Mr. Tire guys could not get the wheel off the car. Had to call a tow-truck and take a one hour drive away to the nearest Porsche dealership. So when I ordered my current Porsche 911 Turbo S I fought with almost every senior Porsche manufacturer leader, to pay extra money, to get 5 lug Turbo wheels. This discussion added 4 months to my delay of a total 16 month wait. I will never buy another Porsche with the center-lock rims whereby Porsche has you by the balls when our sticky Michelin tires picks up a damn nail. It is a Porsche scam. You pay max price to the dealership for a new tire and Porsche labor rates making every nail experience almost double the cost compared to doing the repair at a local tire shop. Center-lock rims look cool but really don’t make a difference compared to the 5-lug wheels!!!
@@gordydexter2615 wow that is dramatic, I have a friend who had a the same issue a few years back stuck with flat tire at a tire shop and so i would avoid it. my understanding is the only advantage is speed of changing wheel at a racing event, no performance advantage., I had no idea you could get a 5 lug on a newer turbo, I am impressed. Your dealer went out of the way for you, right on!. My dealer kinda sucks as it is a very small market in Hawaii.
I have had quite few issues with my 992. Drivers side window has cracked twice. Various loud creaking and knocking noises from the suspension, and bubbling paint.
Your very lucky to get your Porsche in 18 months, I paid a deposit to Porsche Reading 22 months ago. Had only 2 updates from them. Asked for my deposit back and pick up a pre owned Carrera S next week, couldn’t be happier
Nice review! For anyone ordering a 992 or looking for a 991.2, FAL is a must for cars equipped with front Sport Design bumper otherwise you will scratch (unfortunately not available on 991.1 Carreras). I really like your build and your take on ride height and comfort. 100% agreed with opening sunroof instead of windows with respect to buffeting and exhaust fumes. Solid advices!
Now you know why I still have and always will keep my 991.1 GTS as well as my 993; both manuals. Having driven the 992 on the track I hate that the center vents are down low instead of up high as they are on my 991.1. I need them on both sides to keep my hands cool. As for the rest of the complaints and issues, count your lucky charms you are not in something Italian or British.
Love you car and bold of you to remove the Sports PASM option but I like the idea as I know the roads in the UK are not great. I had the exact same thing happen to the interior pillar and had it replaced under warranty. All the best to you and your new GTS
Hi Sam, great choice sir! Love the spec especially the blue. Just re tyres, I've been using Michelins Cross climates for winter driving and cannot recommend highly enough. Their forte seems to be standing water and slushly leaves, so perfect for a daily in a southern English winter and ride well on our broken surfaces. Actually coped well with an Alpine trip too. Worth a look imo. Enjoy the car, cheers.
In your next review, it will be good to hear about the 991.2 v 992 differences. As fellow owner, it was interesting to hear your thoughts. I wonder if the 4wd pdk may have been your option if you did need to use every day and that included city motoring?
Love the spec., awesome choices. Get those driveshafts checked :-) if you follow Seen through glass, you would’ve seen his driveshaft almost rattling loose on his weeks old GT3. Different car of course but hey, worth a check all the way round now with what we seem to be seeing with porches lapsing quality control and considering the crazy basic issues you’ve seen already. insanity itself.
Word of warning when ordering a GTS .. make sure you option the front axle lift and delete the lowered suspension. I didnt and the ride is rock hard and grinds bumps for fun. The car is not a daily .. get a carrera S .. the GTS has loads of annoying turbo lag as well... big mistake for me I oringinally had a CS which was really good but couldnt stand this thing, and got shut of it after 150 miles. waited nearly a year for it paid £147K and best offer from the dealer was £112k so much for them holding their value..
They might have fixed it by now but I had a 2021 and 2022 car both with the glass sunroof and they had issues with getting stuck closed. They would tilt up but wouldn't fully open.
Beautiful and classy spec! Congrats! I would’ve opted for the red lights also instead of the clear. And the calipers painted black instead of red and it would be perfect but it’s nice to see a spec like this really. I always see aggressive sporty specs online, this is very different.
It goes to show whatever you spend corners are still cut to save money and maximise profit per unit. A lot of ow ers would overlook these shortcomings cos they have a Porsche a d that's all that's important to them. I had the opportunity to sit in a Taycan, it had a black interior and I couldn't believe how drab, plain, and even plasticky it looked! The light interior of your car definitely looks better, but considering what it cost I would certainly hope so!! Congratulations on your new car, and at what I'm thinking is a relatively young age to be able to buy a car of that value shows how clearly successful you are at what you do!
You will get used to the door handles. THe interior handles are best used with a double shortl ift action. First to unlock and second to open the door.
Thanks for posting this video, Sam. I resonate a lot with your experience. Just got a 2022 992 C2S with 3k kilometers, and, to my surprise, was very disappointed with the overall built quality. For example, the exhaust pipe makes a weird vibrating noise when I accelerate from low revs; I can hear the front suspension working every time I'm on unperfect roads (which is 95% of the time); when I shut the doors, the internal roof cover makes a trembling noise right behind/under the sunroof; raddling noises are coming from the driver's door panel; etc. The reality is just that, unfortunately, Porsche's built quality isn't the same. Even options such as seat ventilation, which I had in a previous 2019 Macan (and worked amazingly), barely do anything in my 911 now. And the prices continue to soar. As a Porsche-obsessed person since childhood, it's incredibly frustrating to see the direction the company is taking. Used to be a reasonably priced, well-built, and reliable car. Now, it's anything but that.
Oh Wow, minus the front nose lift and carbon aero package, you spec'd my dream GTS. LOVE the blue paint color. Bet it looks sinister right before the sun goes down when you can get some orange hues from the sun hitting it. Enjoy and thanks for the walk through.
Nice car Sam. Clever spec getting a GTS on Carrera S suspension! That will be a great road car. Late in production for the 992.1 so you would have thought all the issues would have been sorted by now. GTS front spoiler protrudes further out and lower than the Carrera S, so lift makes more sense for a GTS than a Carrera S. I wonder how much quieter in reality the noise insulated glass is than a normal GTS?
I remember Harry Metcalfe driving 2 different 992s and they couldn't work out why one was quieter than the other. I think it was the glass. From memory a Turbo and a C2S or GTS
Congratulations, I’ve been waiting 2 years for mine. My dentist has been cheating on his wife with a hygienist. I thought by now his wife would have caught him and I would have closed the deal his 911 while he gets cleaned out in court
My manual transmission failed a couple of days after the car was delivered to me - I could not believe it! The car had only 150 miles on it. After that was fixed the car has been rock solid with no issues whatsoever. Someone left a lose bolt in the shifter linkage so I could not engage reverse; first or second gear. I knew I didn't like the clear rear lights so . . and I did not order the front lift and I've not scraped it . . yet. My previous sports car was a 1999 NSX so I'm used to not having a front lift and the clearance of the front lip is exactly the same to my 911 Carrera S Cabriolet with the 10 mm lower ride.
Hey Sam, enjoyed the honest initial reaction to your new GTS. Quick note, you blurred out your number plate during the walk round but its visible in the photos later on. Just flagging if thats a concern. Cheers and health to drive.
@@sammooresphoto eek that sounds permanent. I pick up my Carrera T tomorrow but I don't like when the license plate is off to a side. Is it okay to drill and centre the license plate or should I not?
Do you notice a significant difference in the ride quality being smoother and less jarring? My wife has a bad back and we opted to get PASM where it’s increased by 10mm and the CarreraS suspension is used according to the configurator. Thanks for your input!
mmmeh, that trim issue for istance appeared last year on my SLR129, during a giga-hot summer and during its 31st birthday. How much did you pay for this GTS again?
I'd love to know an honest review vs your 991. I've had a 991.1 C4S with PDK, swapped in to a 981 GT4 as I wanted a more engaging toy. I hear the 992 lacks a little involvement ?
My friends new 911 C4 GTS arrived last year with the GTS decal on the front drivers door and no decal on the passengers door... So there seems to be allot of Monday mornings at Porsche lately....other issues also with passengers seatbelt warning going off when seat unoccupied and nothing placed on the seat. Maybe they should poach some of the quality control staff from KIA :)
Good for you for spec'ing smaller wheels and not the SPASM lower suspension, Europeans seem much. more sensible in this regard as opposed to in the US where almost every GTS will have the bigger wheels and SPASM even for those planning to daily drive which definitely compromises that capability.
In fact those wheels are the only size 20/21” you can fit on the GTS and Carrera S. There are different styles though, centrelock etc. If you want the smaller 19/20” wheels, you can only fit them on the Carrera, as it has smaller brakes.
Hello mate. Congrats on the new cars. Absolutely superb! It’s beautiful. I am taking receipt of my 911s next month after an 18 month wait too! It’s moderately equipped. Mostly performance related items and a few cosmetics. Mineis a hard top and is in aventure green but I put gloss black wheels on it 20” on front and 21” back…. I think this is a mistake. Going to cost me a fortune in cleaning steel rim scuffs. I’ll tell you I did the day out at silverstone, I have never driven such an amazing car, it can be easily used as a day by or you can really use it as a racing machine. Launch control made me go white lol. The professional driver toook me around the track he scared the life out of me, I had to tell him to slow it down…. Thing is those brakes are amazing…. So you can really push this machine to the limit. Congrats again! Very happy for you and enjoy. Just watched the whole thing… sounds like you have had a bit of bad luck plus some negative aspects.
Nice! Congratulation! Now this is pure coincidence and might sound made up, but trust me.. it's true! I recently had the opportunity to visit the Porsche factory and in particular the 911 production line.. We observed one production line worker struggling to get that very piece of trim in place.. Needless to say there was an alarming amount of bashing and jiggery pokery going on to get it to fit properly. The group I was in at the time all noticed it. Your Porsche sales exec should have pointed out the need to option the race tex covered sun visors. Mine did thankfully or I would have overlooked it otherwise. Anyway.. just details.. Enjoy !
992 gts owners are getting around 520 hp dyno numbers this engine is legit. If you want the most capable daily 911 this is it! Carrera S is also nice and it would be an easier upgrade path, but the Turbo brakes come standard on this too... super solid spec!
Seemed also strange to me. With the S he would not need to delete the GTS lower suspension. He could have the red rear light. And he could order the heritage interior. Only for 30ps whilst with the manual the 379bhp are more than enough. So 450bhp definitely was enough.
@@PyrotechnicMailman yes. Ut i never found the brakes on a Carrera S to be wanting especially as never going near tracks and a daily, if the figures are conservative as Porsche usually are then the 520hp will manifest down the range also , i have a 360bhp 1250 kg C2 and iv never felt the need for more , the modern 992 are fantastic but very much of a muchness gts is obviously the best but swooping the options just doesn’t make sense to me , even retail values down the line its quite personal spec 😍
I have never had to use the front lift. If you drive the car correctly into and out of driveways you won’t grind the front. Drive in and out at a severe angle - takes practice to do this and drive over speed bumps really slowly and across at an angle. Those with a lift never learn how to drive correctly and end up scraping all the time. I have six newer 992 911’s - and a c8 corvette- no lift and I never scrap.
I looked at ordering a new 911 in the summer of 2020 and was told 18/24 months 😮. They really didn’t give a shit so I bought a highly spec’d second hand one owner 911 997 and glad I did. Yes I’ve driven new 992’s and pleased that I still prefer the 997
Be ruthless with your dealer on any issues. 992 seems to be the worst built Porsche to date. Also heard about dealers having lots of unsold stock, especially turbos. Not as bad as the piles of 296gtbs hiding at Ferrari dealers though! Hope you enjoy the car, your spec looks good 👍🏼
What in the hell are you talking about? 992 Turbo and Turbo S’s in the US still have long waiting lists so your “lots of unsold stock” comment regarding them is almost as ridiculous as saying there are stock piles of 296’s hiding at Ferrari dealerships. There are currently 31 used ones for sale in the US and are almost all $75-100k over MSRP. Waiting lists are full for news ones. Perhaps things are different in other parts of the world but it’s hard to imagine they could be that drastically different 🤔
@@jameswillard1 very different in the states but yeah, lots of 992 turbos on the market and the premiums are long gone. Not a bad time to buy a used turbo though.
For some, the GTS badge on the speedo & rear, sport design bumpers, extra power, and centre-lock wheels will seal the deal. Also a normal GTS isn’t quite the all-inclusive package people make it out to be - you still need to pay £3.2k for the GTS interior, which is the same price as a full leather interior anyway.
Too bad that they didn’t bother to adapt the ACC to the manual gearbox. But just checked Audis website and since all their models from the A4 onwards are only available as an automatic (at least at a quick glance on the configurator) Porsche would probably have had to go a long way to get VAGs “more premium” acc system to work with the manual. Sad though, because I love my Golf with the manual and acc: Gives me more connection to the car on everything but the highway, where I just leave it in sixth and let the acc do it’s magic
Great car! Not sure why you keep blurring out your number plate, but clearly show it in several photographs. First time watching you. Very interesting video. 👍
Bit of an unusual spec for GTS. Almost like it's been specced back to a Carrera. I think most people in the GTS secondary market would want it lower, trick wheels, nose lift, GTS interior pack with racetex etc. It is meant to be the sporty end of the range.
