I was almost a member of Kaachi?! - My experience + honest review of UK's first KPOP group 

I'm unfortunately going to have to mute the clip of Nicole dancing at 13:28 cuz of copyright issues :( Also wanted to thank Sunny for sharing his experiences with me. I understand it must've been hard to open up about such a difficult situation, especially after knowing I disagreed with his actions, but I appreciate his honesty.

I can’t get the “iTs KaAcHi” out of my head 💀💀

"we are the first art school run by people with no art degrees" LOOOOLLL

the intro should’ve been *”it’s ploopy”* ok i’ll stop

“It’s kaachi” reminds me of Dora somehow

" I'm not fluent in Korean" Don't worry, they aren't either.

as cringey as their group is, Nicole is actually a really good dancer, and her future could have been bright if she hadn't done this.

“It’S kAaChI” I swear that has been stuck in my head ever since I heard it and it’s giving me nightmares.

Kaachi: **Speaks korean** All kpop groups: **Dies in English**

They could’ve just said they’re a English girl band who were inspired by kpop groups or something idk

People are telling Coco to leave and audition for an actual KPOP company just because she’s Korean but people are forgetting that she needs talent

0:25 "Who is Kaachi? I only only Akaashi. And its my religion" that tweet was the only thing i needed to see

Honestly the music video isn’t that bad, the outfits are cool and the shots are pretty good, but the dancing looks kinda messy so I think they need better team work and practice vocals as well. I honestly don’t understand why they’re trying to BE kpop, it would be so much cooler to have a kpop inspired uk girl group where they sing in English but have a kpop vibe, and a professional choreographer lol

If I hear *iTs KaAcHi* one more time I'm going yeet myself out my window

FINALLY! someone who understands that miso doesn't think she's literally Hwasa.

kaachi imo is not _that_ bad, they just need to train longer in singing and dancing and actually learn the language

I think the company is to blame, not the girls, the company just wanted to spend the least amount of money and time they possibly could so they could scavenge some of that Kpop money, everything screams cheap knockoff. As far as the girls go, I think they have decent voices, probably would improve a lot with practice, dancing seemed okay, same problem lack of training together as a cohesive group. It wouldn't surprise me if their own company made a lot of the rumors themselves, you know, publicity is publicity, whether good or bad.

Girl you didn't dodge a bullet, you dodged thousands of them

The problem isn’t “not being asian”, the problem is “not being trained/respectful”. UHSN is the living proof.

The whole thing just feels exactly like Rebecca Black's Friday

idk if it's true, but coco once said, that someone in the audience shouted "dance lazy, like jennie from bp", but the girls only heard the word "lazy"

It’s okay if they just want to be a girl group, but a K-Pop group is what throws me off. They could’ve just been a K-Pop inspired group like SB19, but a full on K-Pop group isn’t necessary. At least SB19 actually speaks in their own language, and were trained by a Korean entertainment company. There are hundreds of trainees that have been put into vocal and rap lessons along with no sleep, and brutal training for years. I don’t even think that Kaachi could pass an audition. I respect them as people, but I can’t support this.

“Bullying and harassing people isn’t going to change the situation” I love that as a general statement about how Kaachi is being treated as a group I feel like some people are really doing the most (Twitter) thank you for not just jumping on the “drag them” train I don’t necessarily support them but seeing them getting absurd amounts of hate for the bare minimum is kinda sad

2:11 For some reason I have subtitles on, and- Subtitles : On March 8th, Nicole, the leader of *Cocky*

It would be well calling themselves English girl group inspired from K-pop like Z-pop.

The points you made about the Jennie situation was spot on.

why is no one talking about that BOMB English version she wrote for 'your turn'

Summary of this video: twitter stans take everything out of context to make it sound worse

Update on Kaachi for those interested; They now have 3 members (Dani left when her contract expired), they’ve worked with Johnny and their mixing/production has improved dramatically! They’re working really hard and their dancing and singing (as well as Korean), has really improved. Their more recent songs such as ‘That One Thing’ are a mix of English, Korean and Spanish (and it sounds like Your Turn but much better). Overall, they’re working really hard, have improved dramatically, and are doing their best! They absolutely have no bad intentions, so support them if you are interested!

Ploopy: "I am not a professional singer" * Literally rewrites the pre-chorus and sings beautifully

I feel like if Kaachi would’ve been given at least, let’s say 6-12 months together, with a fixed lineup, no changes, they could’ve learned korean better and more, gotten more training, and learn how to work together and dance in synch, as that was mentioned

I still don’t understand why Kaachi received so much hate?? Just let them live their lives gurl-

Personally, I don’t like them but that doesn’t mean they should receive literal death threats for it. My issue with them is that to me kpop is not a genre, it’s this industry that mistreats idols and overworks them to the point where they literally have to go into hospital from exhaustion/famine/injuries etc. Kaachi claiming that they are a kpop group when they didn’t have to experience anything like that just screams disrespect to me. I’m not saying that they should be mistreated and neglected by their company, but to claim you are on the same level as these idols that have been neglected for years in order to get to the position they are at now seems incredibly inappropriate. Not being fluent in Korean when you’re targeting a concept that is based on that language is very problematic to me, imagine how us English speakers would feel if some people from another country barely spoke any English and claimed to be on the same level as Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga etc.? We’d feel very conflicted and maybe somewhat offended that they’d clearly put no effort into it. Another issue I’d like to address is that the majority of the members are not Korean, while groups like BLACKPINK, Twice and EXO mainly consist of Koreans despite having some foreign members. Foreign members are often quite popular internationally, but a lot of kpop fans don’t acknowledge that these people receive a lot of bullying, death threats, racism and general harassment for not being Korean by Korean fans themselves. They also tend to be more mistreated by their companies than the Korean members. (Think of the foreign NCT members, they are neglected severely by SM). Although I agree with most of Ploopy’s opinions in this video, I have to say I was very angered by her comment about other foreign artists “not being harassed” despite not being Korean. (I’m not going to harass her on that comment, I just strongly disagree). Back to my main point, the majority of Kaachi are indeed foreign and clearly lack Korean cultural knowledge as well as the language. The last point that I’d like to make is that the “company” that trained these girls is not legitimate. If these girls debuted under a proper Korean label then maybe I could overlook some issues, but the entire group, members, company, staff, the whole “label” in general screams unprofessional and unofficial to me. If anyone made it this far into my comment thank you so so much for taking the time to listen to my rant lol, I have more points I could make but I’ll shut up now since I’ve been writing this comment for a good 5 minutes and it’s probably pretty lengthy so no one will be interested in reading 🤣

You should cover Johnny’s version and dance how you think the choreography should have looked!! 👀👏🏼

I feel bad for the girls, getting false rumors and death threats getting thrown at them is disgusting. They should've called them a pop group and have some korean inspired things (something like that) or like have them train on their korean, singing, and dancing (synchronization , etc )for at least a year or two. The debut was really rushed

pls dont hate me for this, but Kaachi improved A LOT since their debut, I don't speak Korean, so I can't say anything about their pronounciation whatsoever, but it sounds really good by now, since their vocals, dancing, rapping etc. has improved quite a bit. ^^

For the Hwasa thing, it's probably the name dropping that people had an issue with. I can just imagine if a new boygroup came out and their main dancer said "I'm like the Kai from EXO of XX" or "I'm like the Jimin from BTS of XX" they would get a lot of hate because even if what they mean to say is 'I'm the main dancer of the group' it comes off as if they're name dropping for clout, even if they don't mean it that way. They were gonna get hate anyway, they should have made their image super clean so people had nothing/less to hate. Even kpop groups do this before debut. The reality is that they're people and no one can be perfect, but kpop fans want the illusion of perfection and they will roast you if you are anything but.

Aren't 2 of them Spanish? They could add some Spanish words/phrases in their song instead of Korean! It's a language they know and are comfortable with, plus English. They could definitely do that instead, while still having a K-pop inspired vibe

I feel like they should have debuted as a pop group, and have like a “k-pop” theme or aesthetic, if you know what I mean (Edit): omg tysm for the likes I didn’t know so many people agreed with me 😁

I find it irritating that Kpop fans who don't look East Asian (so Black, White, Arabs, Indians...) are ALWAYS immediately accused of being Koreaboos, while Koreans, Japanese, Thai, Taiwanese, or Chinese (no matter if they live in the States, Europe, or Asia) are okay? I remember UHSN and how the girls actually weren't cringey at all but some people in the comment sections would still call them Koreaboos. Funny enough, Erii (or Main) was never once called a Koreaboo, although she is literally pursuing a Kpop career because she is a Kpop fan, while the other girls are immediately rejected by these commenters for trying to do the same thing (come to Korea, live there, debut as a choreographer or singer or whatever). Guys.. don't you notice the discrimination here? You're no less evil than the Oscars having been excluding Asians for decades!! Please, guys. Stop. You expect black, Latino, or white peoples' countries to not be racist (I recently saw clips of Koreans in Mexico), so please do the same^^"

i'm sorry y'all but the tweet that said the fandom name was koochies had me rollingg

You know it's shady AF when someone says 'the owner is a Korean woman who works in a music distribution company'

Another reason why chinese, thai, taiwanese, filipino, japanese trainees can be accepted as kpop idols is because we are of one CONTINENT. That's one of the main reason. If KAACHI said that their "UK's FIRST KPOP INSPIRED GROUP" The hate and criticism would be less.

But did you guys saw Kaachi’s comeback Photo Magic? They all improveddddd

I think they should’ve kept practicing and training for a while

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!!!!

I imagine this is why kpop idols tend to delete their online presence when they become a trainee/plan to debut. Kpop fans will purposefully dig for anything they can use against them...

Finally someone who thinks logivally in this situation! Preach girl. 😊

I love that quote 'by taking negativity comments about your favorite idols personally you are bringing negativity to your own life'. That is what most Kpop fans of this generation need to learn.

The reason why non-korean idols (japanese, chinese, taiwanese, etc) are able to debut in korean groups without an issue is that they go to Korea to be a trainee and are produced by a korean entertainment group in korea with majority of the members being korean. K-pop is k-pop because it originates from Korea and all the other artists are asian (or at least half) as well. While it mixes in other genres of music there is a specific sound because its Korean. If its not from Korea it'd literally just be pop. KAACHI is problematic for multiple reasons because they steal from other artists and it's honestly insulting towards idols who put in sooooo much intensive work to debut just to see another group out there that thinks they can become a kpop group by dressing "kpop" and adding in a few korean words here and there. However, I agree its just plain wrong to bully these young teenage girls and people should stop sending them death threats

I love how reasonable and mature you are with your opinions ❤️

Korea’s IT girl Jennie was injured at the time that people thought she was “lazy”, YG just address it too late.

KAACHI just would've been so much better off if they had promoted themselves as Pop group. KAACHI is not a Kpop group. They should've labeled themselves as Pop-group or even just a Girl-group with a Kpop concept.

When you started with it’s kaachi I almost cried 🤣🤣🤣🤣

It's super ignorant of Kaachi to market themselves as K-pop... (long read lolol) You don't have to be Korean to be a K-pop idol, we see many professional idols from other Asian countries. We see SNSD Tiffany from the US, TWICE Sana from Japan, Got7 Jackson from China. Some idols are of mixed races like Somi who is white and Korean. But they are all Asian. Asians don't have the same opportunities in the West compared to white counterparts, so they go into Korea for more opportunities. (Idols from surrounding Asian countries go to Korea for bigger opportunities, but I'm not sure if they're necessarily disadvantaged.) Ex: Tiffany dreamed to be a US pop star, but had to go to Korea to get a foothold. And Jessi. Despite her hardships in Korea, she pursued music there for a reason. Many idols are like that. They want to pursue music, but where they are from may not give them the best circumstances. *((Zach Sang's podcast with Eric Nam gives some of Eric's perspective and details of this)) But when white people try to join the scene, it's not the same. Sure, the music industry is tough, but white people are more advantaged in the West compared to Asians. We see gatekeeping against Asians in the music industry in America (Korea too, but it's more based on the company/label, not race). Name an Asian-American singer you have grown up with... I can't think of any. K-pop had the most Asian representation for me. And people can be free to decide a genre. But K-pop is literally the broad term for Korea's music industry, it's not a really genre. To me, it is more of a geographic term, it happens to be location. So when white people enter K-pop and try to take away this Asian representation/opportunity when they can succeed elsewhere, it doesn't seem right. Korea is homogenous. Americans shouldn't be entitled to speak about not seeing non-Asians. This is Korean, it's not all created to cater to the West. (I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm voicing my opinion on an issue, as this upsets me as a Korean-American.)

i have complety forgotten about them so i went to their channel to see that they improved a lot from their debut songs, I actually love the songs tat they made called one thing which i did not expect

Personally i feel there was a huge fuss abt this not bec they called themselves kpop. It became an issue because its a disrespect to the kpop culture to be called kpop idols when they werent trained the same way as korean idol. They are completely lacking in talent. Both Vocals and dance. In addition they werent fluent in korean. If they are extremely talented and they can speak korean fluently they wouldnt recieve much hate.

I think the koreaboo part is mostly about the videos that show their personalities. You can tell they try to emulate a “korean idol” and people can see right through it

“I find the song quite “Kaachi” (catchy)” haha see what I did there?no?ok...

Please take the time to read my thoughts on why people were angry at Miso comparing herself to Hwasa. People don't understand the reason why some were mad when Miso said she's like Hwasa from MAMAMOO. They don't know the reason period because they are not moomoos (MAMAMOO stans) and they don't know Hwasa's life story. I don't care if Hwasa is Miso's role model or that it was a relative comparison. I understand she wasn't saying she's literally Hwasa. It might not have been her intention but as a moomoo, seeing Miso having a darker complexion in a group with 3 white people, it seemed like she was referring to Hwasa's darker complexion compared to her groupmates. Hwasa has been bullied ever since she was a child for having tan skin, or a darker skin tone than most Koreans have. She was constantly rejected from entertainment companies and her dreams because she was too tan and didn't fit Korean beauty standards, not because she wasn't talented. Even after she finally found her current label, which accepted her purely based on talent, and debuted, she faced huge public backlash and people petitioning to kick her out of MAMAMOO just because she is tan and thicker than most idols. So to hear Miso casually comparing herself to Hwasa because she's the "darker" one in their group and to hear others saying that we're being angry for no reason breaks my heart because moomoos know how much Hwasa went through and still goes through. She wrote and composed many songs on her most recent solo album, Maria, just as a response to her haters. Again I know that not everyone knows her backstory and I don't expect everyone to know it. I ALSO KNOW IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN MISO'S INTENTIONS and she just might really like Hwasa. But please don't be so quick to dismiss our feelings. We're thankful if she does like Hwasa but this still hit something.

Lisa, Momo, Natty - all these ‘international’ idols did actually train with Korean companies for several years, and are able to pretty much fluently speak Korean. They had to go through these rigorous trainings for many years before they were allowed to debut, so for these girls to debut after a couple months with a really awkwardly sang and shot song, is probably why they’re getting so much dislike.

honestly did we not learn as a community to not speed false rumors??? like do you guys remember what happened in October ???

Glad you weren’t in.They are getting so much hate rn

This video was really respectful and honest! I loved how you articulated your thoughts! ❤️❤️👍👍More power and love to you!

I don't think by introducing themselves as "the Hwasa" or another Kpop idol is disprespectful or rude, I just think it sounds stupid because it's very unprofessional. They're debuting as a new group, but instead of building their own identity, they're choosing to compare themselves to much more successful people.

1. RE: Chinese, Japanese and Thai K-pop idols. The look of a group/soloist is very important in K-pop. That is part of the appeal. Despite what people in the Asian market say, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans look sufficiently similar to each other that they don't look out of place in a k-pop group. "CJK" is a term for a reason. With regard to Thai people, they range in look from quite East Asian-looking to rather Malay-looking. Notice that all of the Thai idols in the K-pop industry are more like the former. 2. RE: Is Kaachi k-pop? No. They are not. They are not for the simple reason that they are not really in the Korean music industry. I understand that there was a Korean debut, but they are based in the UK. Being a k-pop idol group means participation in stuff like variety shows, appearing on Music Bank/Inkigayo/Music Core/M Countdown, throwing out pitches for the KBO - stuff like that. I am not sure how they will do that sort of thing on the other side of Eurasia. Since they are not part of the Korean entertainment industry, they are not a k-pop group.

i kinda hate how people jump to send death threats just cause they don't like your idol...

I think the best thing to do is completely ignore them. Like, just don't watch their videos or other videos about Kaachi. The whole point is to get attention (and youtube views), so if you don't like them, you shouldn't let them have even a second of your attention. Nothing else would be worse, I'd think, and it also preserves your own integrity --leaving hate comments is just giving them more attention and helping them grow.

you're is so right about this situation. ppl just kept on hating them like as if they ain't humans? like if u dont like them then click off. u arent doing anything better by cyberbullying them

I dislike the idea with Kaachi but what made me furious is the fact that that video where Sunny called Jennie lazy was ignored 11 months ago but now kpop fans brought it up in order to hate on Kaachi. Are you really guys taking advantage of that video just to hate on Kaachi? It disgusts me that people brought it up just to hate on Kaachi and not protect Jennie. Those people who hate on Kaachi for that video are also those who would ignore that video 11 months ago.

Okay. I think the wrong with this 'Kaachi' is 1)they claimed themselves as 'kpop group' even though they're from UK. It's wrong to be called as a 'kpop group' when you aren't under Korea entertainment agency and plus, you debut in UK. There are a lot of international groups in Korea entertainment industry but they're a 'kpop group' because they're under one of Korea entertainment companies/agencies. So, let's call that it's a big mistake in claiming the 'kpop group' title. 2) They put Hangul (Korean language) in their song, which totally unnecessary. They could just use 100% English since there's no Korean among them and not under Korea's agency, plus they don't speak Korean. Overall, if they don't do these mistakes (which probably their agency's fault), they can make it out there. They can survive without the 'kpop group' title and Hangul in their lyrics.

it's interesting how people went for hate and now people genuinely like them..I never really disliked them but found the concept interesting and sorta understood the hate, now they're a'ight ngl

Okay first off: the problem is definitely scouting. How are you just going to just put someone in a “kpop group” who doesn’t speak korean, has no professional background in dance or singing, and hasn’t even train as a trainee. Like it baffles me. I understand that random scouting happens in the kpop scene but it’s first based on looks/busking talent. That it is when you are properly trained underneath the label etc. Like how are you just going to randomly dm someone, ask them to be in a group in a week advance of “debut?” Unless, they trained under the same label or had some sort of background in debuting etc, but still that makes no sense! It sounds unprofessional for a debut in the kpop world. (This isn’t directed towards ploopy or anything, I’m just saying that being picked to debut is hard thing and not everyone gets to debut.) I could go on but I have better actual kpop groups comebacks that are worth my time 🤧✌🏻

Omg imagine Wendy dissing Taeyeon on an insta live like cardi 😂😂

i honestly have a lot of respect for you for putting your thoughts out there, you're hella more brave than i am

Kaachi has a lot of potential, and i think that their sound has improved in their recent song "Photo Magic"... But think how much better the group would've been with ploopy!

Imagine claiming yourselves as kpop girl grup while you're not even fluent in korean.. Lisa, Momo, Tsana, Tzuyu, Shuhua and other foreign kpop idols can't relate

I got into K-Pop little over a year ago and one of the things I enjoyed seeing from artists was their synchronized dancing, flow of the lyrics, and the amount of training and effort given for performances and content. I only made it half way through the debut song, so I didn't feel any of that with them. I wish the best for the women but it's not my cup of tea

Wow, what a queen. Spittin facts and honestly, I just loved the way you approached this video.

"oh we do a lot of covers of blackpink, we respect them" has the same vibe as "i'm not racist, I have a black friend"

I'm glad someone pointed out the hwasa thing. I agree that it may not be the best comparison but if you care to actually listen to what they are saying to form an opinion and not just jump on a bandwagon she didn't say anything disrespectful.

i feel like they should have just debuted as a normal girl group like little mix and not a uk kpop group because half the members can’t speak Korean and they never really went through training with a entertainment company

14:23 omg Itzy and Everglow!! Also amazing video I love how you spoke about this, you’re simply amazing!

I really like how you mentioned that dancing part, I’ve seen a lot of people diss them about it and I was confused cause I knew that they were actual dancers, and figured it must be a showcasing it issue

so they tried recruiting a member in Instagram. professional.

Just an opinion: People these days just roll with the crowd. If someone gets hated on, people will hate on them to because they don’t want to seem like an outcast. Kaachi posted a video where they reacted to Johnny and they took his criticism. People in the comments apologized to them and Kaachi even liked those comments. It’s a shame how y’all preach to not send death threats and don’t harass when that’s exactly what y’all did to them. Kaachi didn’t do anything wrong, y’all simply watched one video and made an assumption. Don’t let it happen again. To anyone. You don’t have to like them but you don’t have to disrespect them either. I agree (this comment is from Pringle on angelina's 2nd video abt Kaachi), but I think they shouldn't have debuted without more preparation. They probably didn't expect this kind of reaction, and also, apparently half of their "scandals" are fake. The talk about how they are appropriatizing kpop is a whole other convo.

the fact that they were specifically looking for an asian fourth member as an afterthought. how does anyone not see this as cultural appropriation... The Asian entertainment industry and culture is vastly different from the Western one. KPop groups are known to exist within KPOP is because of the variety shows and training they often do not exist outside of Asia. Kinda sick and tired of Westerners trying to copy our successes, yet will still shit on us endlessly...

I love the fact that she speaks so intelligently it's so adorable 😔 and the fact that she had a lot of chances to becoming a kpop trainee/ idol but she refuses and talks/ informs in her content in a respectful way unlike other kpop informers. This girl is so caring she forever has my respect 😔✊❤ (Sorry if my grammar is bad, I dunno any other way to say my opinion) 😭

I really hope people stop throwing so much hate on them. It’s kinda sad how so many people are falling into so many CLEARLY false rumors. It’s also sad how people are really so insecure, that they have to bash on a group of mostly innocent girls through the screen to somehow feel better about themselves. It truly is so sad.

Personally, the production company is the one people need to send constructive criticism the most. No death threats or bullying anyone. If I understood this right, the group was founded by a South Korean woman and she had the responsibility of fully educating and assessing the group on Korean, Korean etiquette, and KPOP standards all together. There is a reason why trainees are in terrible slave contracts with companies. These companies see these trainees as "investments" and make sure they have the proper vocal, dancing, PR, and rapping lessons before they step onto stage. Making a KPOP group takes time and money aside from determined, talented and skilled trainees. Lisa, Bam Bam, Jackson Wang, and other foreign IDOLS demonstrate that learning Korean and learning Korea culture is important. Even racially, Lana shows that white individuals need to be fluent in Korean and train. The members of Kaachi were horriblily ill prepared by the company and do not blame the individual members for this gross oversight.

I love this so much. You're so nice and respectful and your opinions are so unbiased.

Guyss I need help 'ItS kAcChI' is stuck in my head and i need to sleep its 4.30 am,welp looks like I'm gonna be having nightmares I need to get it out of mah headd

FINALLY! Someone made an objective video about this whole KAACHI situation. I mean, the only thing I see with videos or posts that talk about this is hate and people laughing at this group. Of course, I don't consider KAACHI a kpop group for obvious reasons, and I can fully notice that they might not be very prepared to debut, but those girls definitely DO NOT deserve the amount of hate they are receiving. Some of those kpop fans that are laughing at KAACHI and making hate comments are the same ones that were talking about mental health when Sulli and Goo Hara commited suicide. Just imagine the desilusion of making real your dream of being something like an idol but then seeing all the hate that came with that...

if she ended up being a member of kaachi- she'd end up being the best dancer-

Honestly came across one of your videos now I'm in love😍 Honestly,, your point of view is honestly great and you're fair and I respect that.

The song is SO catchy. Like I don’t absolutely love it, but I always find it stuck in my head.

"iT's KaAcHi" is literally catchy, it's stuck in my head for like a week now...PUNYETA.

I'M SORRY BUT DID SHE JUST SAY THAT THEIR GROUP'S AS FLEXIBLE AS NCT AND LOONA.... I'M-----

I'm just going to say that your channel is bringing good things to the internet community... every single opinion you have it's always said with respect and by researching about it before talking... you are making a lot of people understand that you should NEVER give an opinion if you don't have any information about the subject or if you are not giving a positive feedback about it... thank you for that!

I honestly think that Kaachi have so mucch potential, and they just need more training They seem to be taking the criticism really well, so I'm really excited for their comeback, I feel like it could be so much better!