I was Wrong about ATMOS

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@PresentDayProduction 25 дней назад

Thanks for the shoutout, Colt! Glad to see we’re both on the same page with Atmos - great video! Love your content, and thanks for watching our stuff, too! We should definitely nerd out together about Atmos some time, let’s keep in touch! Keep up the great work😎 James :)

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Thanks for watching, and thanks for all you do, putting out accurate, well articulated information! Love to Collab at some point

@BarryJohns 25 дней назад

@@ColtCapperrunechopped liver here😊

@brianmiller3287 24 дня назад

@@BarryJohnsMade me giggle. Keep trying. If you guys collaborate, I'll watch!!!

@huberttorzewski 25 дней назад

Your comment "a really good Atmos mix folded down sounds better than the stereo master" - I strongly disagree. I've yet to hear at least 3 good examples of that. In fact it's impossible because the foldown is just a stripped-down version of an atmos mix but while when you're mixing in stereo you hear exactly what the end listener will hear 100% of the time while mixing that's why 100% of the time it will sound better. All the panning decisions from Atmos and pan automations won't work on your stereo foldown. If something was moving from the back of the room to the front maybe you'll want it moving from the left to the right 40-50% instead or maybe you'll do some eq automation also there an it will sound miles better than a foldown. Also eq choices won't translate well because when you have separate speakers you won't eq the low mids and lows as much because they're not fighting with the vocal and then in the foldown you'll get crazy frequency conflicts + you can't predict where it will land in the stereo foldown. So it's all a compromise, really big compromise in the quality for a stereo mix + it's much lower in volume (-18 lufs) also so younger people won't be able to crank up their smartphone speakers and show the music to their friends as loud as they would like to. Also how you're supposed to make a proper wide stereo image for stereo if you're hearing something totally different while mixing with multiple speakers? It's all BS. The proper way would be submitting one mix exclusively for Atmos, and one for stereo. Then Atmos is ok. But taking stereo folddown from Atmos and calling it your stereo mix is beyond me

@SyntheticFuture 25 дней назад

It's like judging 4K image quality on a 720p screen. It just doesn't translate. And since 99.99% of all people in the world aren't using Atmos in any way why bother investing tens of thousands in to mixing for it and making the experience worse for 99.99% of all people. It's such a typical rich people attitude "well it sounds better to me in my highly optimized and specialized environment!". Great. It sounds horrible on my 200 usd headphones. So I don't care about it :x

@huberttorzewski 25 дней назад

@@SyntheticFuture yea, it's making the music sound worse for almost everyone. Good point

@MaciejSuek 25 дней назад

My thoughts exactly. He's saying he needs to saturate etc. all individual sounds. After a folddown it will be a mess 😅

@Wagaxoxo 25 дней назад

Guys, either way… you’ll still have the option to listen to music in Atmos or in stereo. Like Colt said, the artists and/or labels still have to sign off on and deliver the stereo master, and when possible he’s using the stereo master as a reference for the Atmos mix/master (which is why he’s saturating and clipping/limiting the stems). Apple Music and Tidal don’t force you to listen in Atmos if you don’t want to, you even have the option to disable Atmos playback completely if you like. So if your device/system isn’t compatible with the format (or even if you just don’t like how it sounds)… then just don’t use it. It’s that simple🤷‍♂️ Remember, Atmos is an additional deliverable to the stereo master. It’s not a replacement.

@TigroGumi 25 дней назад

@@Wagaxoxo I heard loads... but also know how you have a good Atmos mix that folds down better than the stereo mix and you are going to wait for other people the figure it out so there are people to hold your hand?

@dakota-sessions 25 дней назад

I have an SSL 4k and 10 pieces of analog gear on my 2bus. Mixes glue together in 5 minutes on this system while the creativity is still fresh. If I go to ATMOS I have to stop using my console and stop using all of my gear on my 2bus, lose all the glue, and spend way too long on a mix while losing all perspective. That's a BIG NO.

@Chaos-Dynamics 25 дней назад

I totally agree with you on that 😎

@joesalyers 25 дней назад

The trick is 90% of the Atmos mixes will be heard on headphones. So do your normal thing and mix the stereo session and then bounce stems through your 2 bus like CLA does and then open a new session and pan them around and done. You can start with the Apple Airpods Max over ear headphones since they give a good representation of what Atmos does. All of the Atmos mixes I send out for review are listened too on Atmos headphones by the client. But I would venture to say most Atmos mixes by indie artists are being done on this way with headphones. Use this method until you can build up enough stuff to do Atmos mixes the way you want too.

@Chaos-Dynamics 25 дней назад

@@joesalyers Fair enough but I still have the idea that with the -18 Lufs they take away 4 Lufs of the volume of playback devices. How long before the streaming services change to -18 Lufs loudness target ? 😕

@joesalyers 25 дней назад

@@Chaos-DynamicsI hear what you are saying and its a pain sometimes. All streaming services have 1 thing in common DR9 the LUFs level is all over the place. So even if you hit the target loudness if you have a Dynamic range of say -6 it will be turned down more relative to the LUFS scale. So its not just LUFS alone. Its a LUFS Target with a Dynamic Range of DR9. So Dynamic range is the most important. They look for a dynamic range of DR9 (plugin alliance has a Free BX meter to check Dynamic range) Here is each in LUFS I have a little chart on my desktop as a reference. Spotify is -14, Apple -16, RU-vid Videos & RU-vid Music is -13 in America -15 in the EU, Soundcloud is -12 to -13, Amazon is -13 for music and Deezer is -14 in America -16 in the EU. A good test is checking in Apple Music. If you use an Apple device just use Apple Music to playback your song with Sound Check enabled in the preferences this will give you a good indication of how your mix stacks up against others. Also the Apple Music app if you right click on your song and chose "get info" it will tell you how much it has been turned up or down in relation to the library. This is just a good test to see where a track stacks up . If you are on a PC iTunes has the same feature. All streaming services are a bit different and set to a certain in house level depending on the streaming service. On RU-vid you can see see how much they turn videos down by right clicking on any video and choosing "stats for nerds" Colt's video shows this notice the DRC (Dynamic Range Content) So he was a little hot and got turned down by -0.6 so there are little tricks in every streaming service to see what they so to the audio. Volume / Normalized 100% / DRC (content loudness -0.6dB) I get it I'm not a fan of Atmos at all, it just feels like a really fake reverb with poor early reflections. If I'm not recording a binaural track with multichannel mics why would I want to fake that sound from Mono, Stereo, & Mid/Side files? Binaural tracks are for visual experiences, like nature documentaries where you here the bird chirping in the tree to your left and above your head but that requires bulky microphones that only places like the BBC or National Geographic have anyway. Recording a bird chirping with a Mono SM58 and then using Atmos reverb too pan it up and to the left is counter intuitive to me. Atmos will only really take off when we change the way we track things and we record it with the intention to be Atmos, not this ducktape solution we have now taking 1 or 2 channel audio and turning it into 10 channel audio.

@dakota-sessions 25 дней назад

@@joesalyers That's the plan. The problem is if that becomes the "single file" the stems will not glue-together with the bus compression. i.e., the kick drum level will not push on the other stems, etc. So far it's been best to avoid ATMOS entirely.

@lusid_music_uk 25 дней назад

My prediction is that atmos will go the way of the 3D television. A cool novelty that nobody talks about anymore

@Faithaven 24 дня назад

Yea atmos will go similar to those big dvd discs they made years ago. Atmos fails with Apple EarPods pro series. Just doesn’t work right. Maybe Apple isn’t there yet

@Joeyelkey 24 дня назад

this is the exact correlation I make as well

@ivanrepin70 22 дня назад

Spatial Audio shows absolutely no signs of going away, it’s already been here for almost 15 years and only being implemented in more products. Soon cars will come too

@Faithaven 22 дня назад

@@ivanrepin70 no it will not. There is no way the us govt here is going to approve it.

@ivanrepin70 22 дня назад

@@Faithaven what are you talking about? Many cars already have 5.1 and almost all cars have many speakers all around the interior, it’s just a matter of putting an atmos enabled encoder

@Mike-vr7mb 25 дней назад

For film all you want, I’m yet to hear a good Atmos record. Sounds like a bad live gig recording.

@Whally 24 дня назад

Spend a lot of money to then listen to this beautiful atmos mix in low-end headphones in MP3 via Spotify and say to yourself: "hmmm it's much better" when in reality, a beautiful old stereo mix would still do very well the affair... I am waiting the next video "why my Apple music's Atmos mix sounds horrid in my car" LoL

@michaelfrancis1 25 дней назад

Colt, thank you for sharing your journey. We are all learning from what you’re doing and you’re helping a broader community become more aware of options for studio work. It’s a simple as that; and I know many many of us appreciate it very much. To that end, there’s growing pains happening in the entire industry because of this, so obviously you have to dance around the expectations, even if they are lower than what you want to do. Hopefully you will get some contracts for some wild cool mixes that you can just throw sounds all over the place that would be great.

@TonyThomas10000 25 дней назад

Spotify does not support Atmos. I don't use Apple Music, Tidal, or Amazon Music HD. I use RU-vid Music. Atmos is dead to me. I am just fine with stereo. I have been for more than 50 years. YMMV.

@krissmith2396 25 дней назад

Waste of money and a push to get people away from having home studios

@alex_ayers 25 дней назад

Worst case scenario, you have to sell your speakers in gear... and like Colt mentioned, there are going to be plenty of people that don't care about Atmos that can rely on whatever studio they want. What's the issue with that?

@psmusicpro 25 дней назад

Matching the stereo mix?!! 5.1 did not cut through because we couldn't replicate the stereo mix. I doubt it's possible to create a wall of sound of MASSIVE guitars with atmos, because everything is distributed among the speakers therefore, that wall is gone... if that makes sense. Atmos is clearly an Apple push and that's why you need to add an atmos mix to release in their platform. Another thing though... everyone complains about budgets and all of a sudden we need a gazillion of speakers to have "an immersive experience"... That is exactly what every bs corporations say to sell bs... Just my humble opinion. Thanks for your videos.

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

When I say matching the stereo mix, I don’t mean making it sound identical. I mean, getting the same vibe across. Getting the same textures to exist in both. It’s never going to be the same, but I do think especially if the client wants it, that we should respect the stereo.

@psmusicpro 25 дней назад

@@ColtCapperrune I've mixed in 5.1 and to be honest it was a completely different mix. Just the placement by itself will change the vibe. I understand what you say and I respect that but to me Atmos and Stereo are two different beasts. I honestly believe that Atmos mixes need an Atmos approach when recorded. We can watch a film on a TV or on a massive screen at the cinema. The film will be the same but the experience will be completely different. Steven Spielberg once said "I don't make films for TV, I make them for cinema"... I believe we can apply that here, in this particular case. I don't believe Atmos will survive... just MHO... I saw quad, 5.1, 7.1, 5.1 with 2 speakers (Bose idea and what a joke), all went down the drain and why? Because it's all about demand. Apple is working really hard to chuck it down our throats, anyone can see that but... we will see. Once again, thank you for your videos and feedback as well.

@officialproteus 25 дней назад

The saturation and overall mix “glue” issue that you mention has been the biggest challenge for me with Atmos mixes so far. I have lots of experimentation to sort that out moving forward. Also, I appreciate you always being willing to be honest and grow through the process!

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

I think that clipping/limiting/saturation is an enormous part of what lends us in a good place with Atmos

@officialproteus 25 дней назад

@@ColtCapperrune absolutely. I’ve experimented with some side chain compression tricks that have gotten me closer, too. I’m hoping that by next year, I’m confident enough to have all my mixes deliverable as Atmos files, like you mentioned in this video! It’s a really fun format to learn.

@J_Costa15 25 дней назад

I get where he’s coming from but no one is talking about how good these “Dolby atmos capable” devices actually sound. Yes in theory these devices can decode the deliverable, but every device just gives a weird room sound and doesn’t actually sound good. I feel like either I’m crazy, or people are lying to themselves saying these 3.5 billion devices actually sound good

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

There’s a huge amount of bad Atmos mixes out there that don’t sound good on the headphones or earbuds. It’s a problem. I’m going to work very hard to try and help course correct

@J_Costa15 25 дней назад

@@ColtCapperruneI’m sure your mixes are going to be stellar, but they won’t fix bad or gimmicky devices with bad fake surround. I know there will be a day we’ll have awesome sounding consumer products but we’re not there yet

@kadiummusic 12 дней назад

While 90% of the world listens to crappy streamed audio on phones.

@MariJu1ce 25 дней назад

Ive yet to hear a good atmos foldown to stereo, always sounds sooo wrong. I have no idea how anyone can prefer that

@yeahuri4724 25 дней назад

Like hell a mix for 15 speakers gonna sounds semi decent to a smart phone speaker. It’s like saying a 4k video looks good in 360p too. It’s a sales pitch towards engineers.

@angelsantana3001 6 дней назад

You can almost see the ish coming out his mouth in this video. Very sad.

@paulvogel6303 25 дней назад

It works sure, but it doesn’t sound BETTER, unless you actually have more than 2 speakers. On a standard listening experience like AirPods, the masses would agree, I’ve listened, it doesn’t sound as good. I agree atoms is good in vehicles, and theaters. But not your average use.

@ivan.bofinger 25 дней назад

Exactly!

@Saturdaymorninghero 25 дней назад

Again, atmos is such a waste of time and money. We've tried this like 5 times now.

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Good thing no one is forcing you to participate in it! Best of luck!

@PaiigeBayeni 25 дней назад

People must understand there's levels to this thing...and Colt he's above the ceiling

@whome3911 25 дней назад

No thanks! I won’t waste my time or money…long live stereo mixing for music! I totally get mixing movies differently…

@Sleemzz 25 дней назад

Just throwing my 2 cents in here: The past few months I’ve been mixing in atmos from the start and sending the fold down as the Stereo mix without telling anyone. I’ve not received one complaint about anything sounding weird, and actually have gotten way more notes about how good they sound. My workflow has been getting the mix 60% done in atmos, the switch over to the fold down and finish the stereo mix, have the stereo fold down mastered as you would anything else, and then finalize the atmos mix with the stereo master informing the final atmos mix. Seems to be working pretty well and there’s a lot more cohesion between the two formats!

@1loveMusic2003 25 дней назад

The energy from the 2 bus and limiting is a great point I never thought of. It was exiting for me to be allowed to have dynamic mixes again.

@mikesparks3398 25 дней назад

It really feels super discouraging to me. I’m just a guy with no money fighting just to get a decent interface (clarett 8 pre) I have the cheapest of mics (sm7b) for vocals, a handful of decent plugins, a decent pair of speakers (Hs8s) the white ones. Sonarworks, and that’s about it. It took 10 years or so to even get to here. No hardware, no preamps, no compressors, nothing fancy, just trying to record my songs, and other peoples songs put on ITunes and what not. I do the best I can with what I have. I can’t even afford a good mic to sing in let alone even think about Atmos.

@edoardoteani3681 25 дней назад

In case you do not know already, I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson's voice on Thriller was recorded with an Sm7b

@mikesparks3398 25 дней назад

@@edoardoteani3681 yup, but I’m sure they had a board, compressors, and some really nice preamps to make it sound like it does!

@edoardoteani3681 25 дней назад

@@mikesparks3398 sure, but Hey its actually not so cheap of a mic and you can get good sounds out of It for a lot of different sources.

@kadiummusic 11 дней назад

@@edoardoteani3681 Ah... that would be the exception that proves the rule then.

@mdptg1990 24 дня назад

So much of music is made for clubs & venues, which will forever run on mono systems. Atmos will always be a secondary format in many genres because of this (similar to how vinyl is a secondary experience to streaming based off numbers). Pop music (hip hop, rnb and regular pop) requires a great Stereo mix with mono compatibility, and at this point, Atmos is a nice-to-have

@sicknixon 25 дней назад

Awesome stuff bro! Very well-spoken. The efficiency and simplicity of ONE deliverable just makes sense.

@LBJedi 24 дня назад

So cool to watch you make these discoveries, Colt! Out of curiosity, when you’re mixing Atmos drums in a “natural” way, have you tried panning the overheads about half way up the front wall? Mind blowing!

@TheBYRecords 25 дней назад

That is the first time anyone has explained and justified Atmos in a way I found persuasive. Thank you Colt!

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Hope it helps! Thank you for watching!

@bikesandbeats4693 25 дней назад

His last argument about not having to turn a guitar into a hi hat to fit it in a stereo mix was pretty persuasive.

@kadiummusic 11 дней назад

@@bikesandbeats4693 Absolute nonsense. Is that how desperate pro Atmos people have become. Strewth.

@bikesandbeats4693 11 дней назад

@@kadiummusic First, I’m not pro atmos. I think it’s a waste. But the point is not nonsense. From a mixing standpoint, the argument of having more channels to put audio into in fact does reduce frequency clashing between the instruments. If I don’t have to put the guitar on the same channel my bass is coming out of, then I don’t have to sacrifice as much low end from the guitar to make room for it. This is plain mixing common sense.

@seanms35 23 дня назад

A bit "Yes and No" in regards "staying true to the stereo master". I've given a surprising number of clients a different version/viewpoint of the stereo master to really create something new with Atmos, and about 90% all sign off this new version once they hear it at the studio.

@user-yk4gd1fl4z 24 дня назад

It simply will not catch on. The general public do not give one single F### about "better" ways to listen to music. If they did, they would still have proper stereo set ups!

@NoQualmsTheArtist 24 дня назад

I was a hater, then converted. Now I have an Atmos studio. Once you experience it you can't go back. It's how music should sound, and object based audio is very intuitive and how audio should be. Haters are just ignorant and have never experienced Atmos properly. It's like a nice car, or wine, or food. Sure it's not available for everybody and costs money, but once you experience it you can't undo that. There are millions of people out there than can afford to experience it and they should also be catered for. Also immersive technology is the future, VR, AR, Metaverse, Gaming, Movies. All these things need immersive audio. It's not going anywhere.

@Naindurth 24 дня назад

Musical connection is emotional, not physical. I agree inmersive technology is the future, I enjoy the hell out of simracing. But music? I don't see the need for an entire room to enjoy it.

@NoQualmsTheArtist 24 дня назад

@@Naindurth so are you saying all immersive technologies should be silent? Really, no music at all 🤔

@NoQualmsTheArtist 12 дней назад

@@kadiummusic it's amazing how triggered people like yourself are by Atmos. It's quite pathetic. If you don't like it, don't do it, easy. But don't force your evangelical stereoism on others. Just like no-one is forcing you to do Atmos. It's not that important, it's not life or death, get over yourself and just make music. Apparently you make 3D retro pop, maybe drop the 3D from your description if you hate Atmos so much 🤭

@NoQualmsTheArtist 12 дней назад

@@kadiummusic it's amazing how triggered people like yourself are by Atmos. It's quite lame. If you don't like it, don't do it, easy. But don't force your evangelical stereoism on others. Just like no-one is forcing you to do Atmos. It's not that important, it's not life or death, get over yourself and just make music. Apparently you make 3D retro pop, maybe drop the 3D from your description if you hate Atmos so much 🤭

@laz288 25 дней назад

ATMOS for the most part is in the trial phases. Surround sound in movies held strong but with a lot of stuff over complicating something sometimes backfires. Kindle came out and physical books were no longer, now physical books sell more then ever. Streaming music and CDs were supposed to kill Vinyl but Vinyl is selling like crazy. Plugins were supposed to replace hardware...the list goes on. As cool as ATMOS is, if everyone does not get on board (small studios, price, complexity) then it will not survive. I know Colt has a lot invested in this so there is some expected bias to wanting to make it work. And I hope it works out. But like most things that take hold and have longevity they start small and affordable and worth trying. ATMOS on the other hand is the most expensive investment in the recording biz in a long time as everything in your studio changes. I guess time will tell.

@matabercrombie3816 24 дня назад

I get everything you're saying, but I still can't shake the feeling that atmos is the corporate labels and big studios trying to find a way to fight against the rise of small independent artists and studios.

@lore88824 23 дня назад

I never thought about this point of view but it may very well be…

@DroptekOfficial 18 дней назад

[imo] I don't think they feel threatened by indie artists. It's likely innovation for the sake of it and to sell more 'atmos ready' hardware devices. Probably to make way for VR/AR devices in the future. Big studios are taking advantage because they can afford it but I don't think the labels care that much. It's more the tech companies that are pushing the change.

@lavalizard1 25 дней назад

Genius explanation Colt - that’s super helpful - and exciting. Great stuff (as usual).

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching!

@MarvelJAM 25 дней назад

Your comment on the number of devices that can decode Atmos is so important. Once devices that can decode it even if the delivery is down to mono or stereo at a very low cost things will change rapidly. The real barrier of this change is Dolby licensing. With that in mind, maybe the evolution of MPEG-H will enable that future for everyone. Love the channel. Thank you

@g_bavera 25 дней назад

I find so much value in your thinking and reasoning. Never stop doing what you do Colt, you’re such an inspiration for us all! Btw, ordering new monitors next week 🔥

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Thank you so much! Best of luck!

@MichalMikulskiMM 22 дня назад

The best monitors out the in terms of performance and value are in my humble opinion the MUM line by PDP, which Colt mentions (the channel) in the video here. So if you are still on the fence what to get, why not take a listen to them?

@dyonissiszoes3747 25 дней назад

Naaaa,the most realest way of listening to music is experiencing it in the room it is made in with real musicians and a real singer 😇

@caspermaster-com 24 дня назад

All I hear are circular arguments 1.end all be all FORMAT -Whats wrong with stereo? 2. It sounds "better" -Quite the opposite, the 1:1 translation from stereo to 2 speakers is obviously superior, its like 101 engineering to avoid unknown variables if possible, like listening from the console vs tape playback "back in the day" was not optimal as the tape was more or less an unknown variable 3. Devices are ATMOS COMPATIBLE -Like saying you can write any book on the program Word, it doesn't say much. It folds down to not being atmos experience anymore (some sort of stereo experience, go back to point 2) 4. Film -Yes, but also, why wouldn't STEREO for music be even more advantageous in most cases. The film audio has atmos to divide up, FX, dialogue, foley, enviroment etc, So GREAT IDEA HAVING MUSIC TAKE UP ALL THE (ATMOS) CHANNELS ALL THE TIME instead of taking up like 2.2 channels (stereo)

@Lordxfx 25 дней назад

I don't have ATMOS, I just ordered a car that does. I do have a 2.0 artist studio. Next year, I'll make sure to pop a Capperrune mix for my maiden ATMOS drive. Back on the topic: An ATMOS studio rig is in short very expensive and complicated to run, and the sound engineers are the ones carrying the costs of the new format. Shameless people. On the other hand, you have made the investments and have the talent. Potentially you have a lot of clients coming your way. Btw, I love your studio. So spacious, so light, and given the voice recording in your YT films, very tight sounding.

@bigbiterecords День назад

I was at the Dolby House at Amsterdam Dance Event a few days ago. Armin Van Burren was there and he was like "Next record we're writing in Atmos, we will make the stereo from a downmix". Also, Dolby Flex is coming! No need to buy 7.1.4 Sonus. You can combine it now with any speaker, coming soon i think.

@SoundSleuth 24 дня назад

Your first point brings up a key issue today. Mixing Atmos to stay true to the Stereo. We need to start mixing straight to immersive then get to the stereo mix. Artists need to compose with immersive in the thought process. I've changed my recording process to include this from the start. Great Stuff Colt!

@vadimmartynyuk 25 дней назад

Good info even though title is clickbait

@alex_ayers 25 дней назад

Well he was wrong about it, just not the way you wanted. Womp womp

@michaelhurwitz56 25 дней назад

This totally makes sense now, thank you

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

I’m so glad it helped!

@NaviiDavii 21 день назад

I gotta say because it’s a different environment with a different set of space it has to be handled and treated much different and all I can really say is music is made for stereo. so for atoms you’ll need more then what’s produced in stereo. The main issue is no one is going to have that many speakers as he has in that room. Only a hand full of commercial locations or audio enthusiasts will have that. So it’s a lot of work for a small crowd of people who will listen

@AndiPicker 24 дня назад

That big old wheel is adding a lot of unnecessary un-sprung rotating mass to a smaller truck though?

@gregoryivesdolbyatmosmusic 24 дня назад

Lot's of TV's do the same encoding just like when you listen to Apple Music/Tidal etc. It's the same idea. Apple Spacial is a moving target and every changing with the OS. We as engineers/composers have to keep it up. I paid my rig off very quickly and busy with many projects in DOLBY ATMOS. I did it right and also got the training in the format. 3 years later still working in all types of formats. Stereo Direct Binaural now is much better and will be improved even more. The room is tuned and certified so lot's of things coming my way here. An EDM artist came to me after years and we are not only doing here steel mixes over she is totally jazzed with doing ATMOS and has heard it in the room and it headphones.

@ivan.bofinger 25 дней назад

Atmos it’s hitting hard for sure. Don’t agree with the “3.5 billion Atmos capable sold” story tho. I mean sure maybe there’s some truth in that, but is someone going to actually listen to music on some “Atmos” TV speaker and say “wow great Atmos mix”? In my humble opinion the binaural render needs to be miles better for Atmos to stay, because headphones are the most used devices to listen to music. I myself tried Apple Music’s spatial audio on some AirPods Max’s and can’t say I liked them better than a good stereo mix, they’re not bad, but not better either. Different for sure. I hope this can be improved with time as technology evolves! Love the channel!

@JoshColletta 25 дней назад

That makes a lot more sense than the quad-all-over-again "all future music is going to be in Atmos" hype that was being thrown around when that announcement was first made. Thanks for the clarification!

@GetSongsDone 25 дней назад

It feels good to have my unorthodox position on Atmos verified a bit. TY Colt

@violetskystudio 12 дней назад

Colt, you mentioned in a previous video that you were making a playlist of reference songs for Dolby Atmos. Would you be able to share that playlist with us? I’ve been playing around with atmos and listening through the spacial audio playlist on Apple Music I’ve yet to hear a single atmos mix that sounds better/ of equal quality to the stereo master. To my ears they always sound worse. I just want to hear a good atmos mix for once.

@jaysauerbass 25 дней назад

Hey Colt, please forgive the long comment, but I might have stumbled across a way you can use your standard mix bus chain for Atmos. So I came across a video the other day of this guy who was talking about the secret sauce that a lot of big-time playback engineers use to master their individual tracks for Ableton Live. Basically it involves getting your stereo master dialed in then printing that file and using it as a muted ghost sidechain to cause the individual master chain elements to react how it would when all the tracks are running through it. Then you can print your individual tracks as if they’ve been processed through the master bus chain, resulting in mastered individual tracks. Not sure if this applies to the Atmos situation, but if you could use the mastered individual elements for the Atmos mix, it might save you a shit ton of time and headache. Apparently this is a well known method amongst pro playback engineers, but I had never heard of it. I may not have explained this super well so here’s a link to the guys video. I think he plays drums and does tracks for Benson Boone. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qppKy5djSrw.htmlsi=kuKrCwBSnN3Lx4br

@jlunartstudio 9 дней назад

I like your analogy, but I’d love to make a counter-argument, drawing a parallel to software development. The reason most people don’t bother porting their games to Mac is not that it’s impossible or that Macs aren’t meant for gaming; it’s because it represents only about 0.2% of sales. This requires a lot of custom programming and testing, and that percentage of sales does not justify the investment for these tweaks. Now, relating this to Atmos: while it's great to have one deliverable, increasing the cost of mixing and mastering significantly for just 1-2% of your audience may not be justifiable. People might prefer sticking to stereo to justify the cost, especially small to medium artists. I believe if there's a quick AI button to translate your stereo mix into an acceptable but maybe mediocre 15-speaker situation, it defeats the point of creating Atmos mixes a bit. It just seems like a ton of effort for a really small audience, and that’s not how capitalism works :( I do really like the format btw, just arguing a bit here.

@jmsdeco 19 дней назад

Stupid question. Does atmos work on any set of headphones or are there atmos approved headphones available ?

@jmsdeco 19 дней назад

Since most people listen to mp3's on their phone, I just don't see how atmos fits in. I'm sure to hardcore audio files , atmos is a dream come true.

@chrisrevel2801 18 дней назад

No , audiophiles have massively rejected Atmos ... they still like vinyls , tube amps , very expensive stereo speakers ....

@MrAchris10 25 дней назад

Great breakdown. I have a patchwork Atmos mixing setup in my room and and find it extremely enjoyable. Explaining it to potential clients who are not as familiar with it is challenging.

@DaveElke 25 дней назад

Wait, did you say you go -5 LUFS on a master? Is that peak or integrated? I’ve been doing -14 LUFS integrated for streaming releases, am I wrong? Btw, that Focal setup is sweet!

@jazzzfer 25 дней назад

@Colt Caperrune - so then do you mix first then move the instruments around? Or how does it work?

@JAMPROSOUND 25 дней назад

Surround and Atmos mixes are fun. Period. If you have the gear to work in the format, enjoy it and get to work. There will always be those who don't support options or even progress. I cant imagine being so consumed with crapping on a process I have zero interest in. Another great video Colt.

@gavmurray7398 25 дней назад

gotta be careful with saturation in atmos. will sound awesome in your studio running lossless with oversampling turned on.. lots of atmos mixes sound horendous beause there is saturation everywhere on elements that are in their own space so its super obvious.. things sound saturated already cause they are streaming lossy so add more to that and its usually horrible outside of your studio

@michaeltablet8577 25 дней назад

Great videos! Thank you very much, and thanks to Sweetwater for sponsoring our favorite channels!

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Appreciate you!

@braxal6983 25 дней назад

Nice video!! I just got my Audioscape MK-609 yesterday and the unit is very heavy. Hooking it up today. I am so happy.

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Nice! Congrats!!

@TUNEDPIECESMUSIC 25 дней назад

My 2 cents: Just let Atmos mixes be Atmos mixes and not try to make it sound like so many modern day extremely over compressed, zero dynamic stereo mixes.

@andreymusic007 25 дней назад

Thank you, Colt!!! Can you send me please link to your atmos and stereo music?

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

There is a playlist in the description of every video for my stereo work, unfortunately, it’s a couple weeks before my first Atmos mix gets released, but they will live on the same playlist, and you can either listen to the stereo, or the Atmos version once they are up there

@braxal6983 25 дней назад

Colt, You should look into the Cranborne HE2 it is a harmonic EQ adds very nice saturation. It came out earlier this year. I use it on all my mixes now.

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

I will look into it, thank you!

@braxal6983 25 дней назад

@@ColtCapperruneAudio Animals on RU-vid has many videos on the Cranborne HE2 to check out. He also has an Atmos rig. They are in the UK.

@roryyerama5496 3 дня назад

Good video Colt. I finally agree with you about Atmos now 😅

@ShadowsofSmoke 24 дня назад

Just curious. Does the Video monitor effect the image of the left/right audio monitors?

@angermanagementstudios 25 дней назад

It’s great when you sit in a purpose built atmos room. It’s utter snake oil in any other environment. And atmos in headphones is just a bare faced lie. I’m also yet to hear an example of a folded down atmos mix that sounds better than a proper stereo mix. It’s simply not true. But, more than anything: consumers are never, ever going to listen to an atmos mix as it was intended. Kids aren’t sitting in the playground surrounded by 400 speakers. They’re still sharing earbuds. Or more likely playing it out of a phone. It’s actually vastly more important to make a mix that works in mono. Good luck to those of you who’ve invested but I’ll stick to my stereo mixes.

@bakerlefdaoui6801 25 дней назад

I'm very excited about Atmos. But please Colt, give us a little list of music mixed exclusively on atmos so we can hear the stereo fold down and compare it with songs mixed in stereo in the same genre. Translation seems to be a bit odd from what I heard personally. Thanx for the content.

@joshjoyce7537 21 день назад

said it before, i'll say it again, NOBODIES opinion on if Atmos is good or not will end up mattering if labels begin requiring it. If it becomes the standard, it becomes the standard, and we will all have to adapt eventually regardless of our opinions. What do I think? I think its VERY possible that in music its just a fad that will fade out, but again, I don't actually get to make that decision.

@kniferideaudio 22 дня назад

I'd rather mix Mono than buy into Atmos, but I don't make Corporate rock records of Nashville Pop. Not diss'n people that do, but none of the bands I work with nor anyone I play music with are interested in special audio in any way. It's probably great for advancing the "Modern" sounding mix, but I think most modern STEREO mixes sound like pretty terrible/over curated.

@inversionproduction 25 дней назад

It's interesting how the Atmos vs Stereo debate mirrors the Electric car vs Gas car discussion. The parallels are striking

@michaelfrancis1 25 дней назад

Please explain the difference between stems and receiving a mix session. I thought if you strip everything away from a mix, you’re left with the stems. Is it even a legit term or is it just slang?

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Great question! That is a giant miscommunication in our industry that I wish could get cleared up. “Stems“ refers to groups of instruments, not individual tracks. You would have a drum stem, a base stem, a synthesizer, stem, a key stem, a vocal, stem, etc., but inside of each of those stems could be just a single track, or as many tracks as you’d like to group together. What’s inside a session before you start mixing is tracks, not stems. Hope that helps!

@michaelfrancis1 22 дня назад

@@ColtCapperrune got it!! thanks! I knew something was off because people throw that term around for anything and everything 😁

@palsheldon6520 25 дней назад

Nice explanation of the format and deliverables etc.

@carlosp.1846 25 дней назад

So far every song i listened in Atmos sounds better in stereo.

@TimDolbear 21 день назад

it sounds like your entire time seems to be spent just reproducing the Stereo version. I'm less convinced more and more with every year, that Atmos for music will take over.

@iocomposer 25 дней назад

Interesting how the conversation on Atmos has evolved. I mix films and it's been a thing for a long time now. A very effective thing and I enjoy doing it on the dub stage and I enjoy listening to it in a theater. Music on the otherhand was interesting to me at first but it just never caught on for me. I've heard some great atmos music mixes that I've listened to on the dub stage but at the end of the day, I just don't spend a lot of time listening to music in a fixed position. That's just not something I like to do. I do agree with you on the one deliverable scenario. That's been a really great evolution for us film peeps.

@johnlemak4680 25 дней назад

-5 to -4 lufs?! Why?! That’s ridiculous lol 😂

@TannerByTheSea 25 дней назад

That was Big of you Dude 👍🏼

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Regardless of how it seems, I’ve always strived to be transparent and honest on this channel. Thank you for watching!

@bsoundsrecordingstudio7059 25 дней назад

Off the topic question what compressor are you using in kick drum? I been looking at the Capi FC526

@recordingwhiz 25 дней назад

You are correct, and your points are valid, Im just curious to see how it will effect the recording industry as a whole for brick and mortar studios, when people are finding it harder and harder to compete with bedroom producers. as we've spent the last decade plus reading article of large iconic studios closing as budgets get smaller and smaller with fewer and fewer able to operate at studio hourly prices similar or lower than they were in the 80s or 90s. especially in todays economy. as you know it still a MASSIVE investment to be able to do it well. who knows perhaps this will push the cheapskates to develop workarounds and innovate.. the future is still unwritten.

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

I think you make an interesting point. And I think the growing pains are completely unwritten… However, I do believe that the destination we are headed towards is fairly certain. Certain enough for me to invest in it.

@gabe60153 24 дня назад

That’s SOOOOO crippling. It would be a better experience if you could do two completely different mixes. Like a 90’s/00’ remix album. Just for Atmos.

@PlottingTheDownfall 23 дня назад

Stems to mix? or Multitracks to mix?

@gfromshankside 25 дней назад

You're looking at it like Atmos is gonna be the new format, not replacing but displacing stereo. I think Atmos is more like Blu-ray. It'll be the medium for a little while, and after that, there will still be uses for it. The masses will move on from it pretty quickly, though.

@Dystopian84 23 дня назад

Atmos is already like NFTs , ignored by most and mocked by some

@kadiummusic 11 дней назад

The masses can't 'move on' from something they don't have, don't need and didn't ask for in the first place. Atmos is a dead parrot.

@BobDavidsonBerl 25 дней назад

Why don't they do an Atmos mix first and then the stereo afterwards? Seems backwards not to do it that way.

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

I believe that’s exactly where we are headed, and it is my goal to work in exactly that way

@huberttorzewski 25 дней назад

It's the same way as a great mono mix translates well to the stereo when you pan the instruments and background vocals but the stereo mix can sound horrible when folded down to mono. Atmos is even worse because it's much more than 2 channels to fold down

@mdptg1990 24 дня назад

@@ColtCapperrunemaybe for certain genres, but I believe that for any genre that is heavily played in live venues, clubs, bars etc (all of pop music, most of hip hop, most Rnb, electronic, and even country nowadays) - mono compatible stereo mixes will always be top priority imo

@Somedei 25 дней назад

Mono is the next frontier 😂🎉

@Chaos-Dynamics 25 дней назад

So only live mixing on a PA system ? 🤷

@DavidHickox-p1x 25 дней назад

Thanks man!

@rexweible3747 25 дней назад

Love the info Colt, Love your channel and great explanation of atmos, I am still not convinced that the streaming services will not demand atmos to get streamed, look if it is that much better than a stereo mix (your words not mine) I just can't fathom the industry not moving to that as a soul format, you mentioned Vinal albums if I recall it totally disappeared as soon as CD's showed up until years later it is back basically as a gimmick money maker, and if just using the headphones is sufficient to make pro quality albums why on earth is everyone such as yourself dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into their studio's why not just use the headphones, my guess is that you will not make radio ready content with headphones alone, but keep the good work coming Colt that's my 2 cents dude!!!!

@QFXmusic 25 дней назад

Think its 2.5 Billion according to PDP :) Hope your still enjoying Atmos :)

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

I had Emma from Dolby in last week and she told me it was 3.5 billion. Either way, it’s a crazy number lol

@QFXmusic 24 дня назад

@@ColtCapperrune You are 100% correct colt 2.5 billion 3.5 billion its pretty much just a number that says one thing :) Atmos is the future :)

@gmlgml780 25 дней назад

Yeah. I dunno, but 99% I listen even to stereo downmixed into mono. With a single speaker. 'Cause it sounds more clean. So if the atmos can be downmixed to one speaker I'll buy it. :)

@immersiveaudionft2203 25 дней назад

Nice Video. Make sure you solo your speakers. you can be surprised of what is there sometimes. Especially when changing an object size. not so bad in the room with speakers but I think it makes a difference in mix down to other formats. Please mix Vocals into the center channel, best example for me is Dreams by Fleetwood Mac. try using Waves Spherix compressor and limiter. My favorite Atmos reverb is Liquid Sonics Tai Chi. Have you tried using object beds and efx based beds Atmos Mixing a lot of fun very few rules so no harm in playing around. I do my own Music and sound design with Atmos as the format. I think the Atmos mixes will be better when Mixers start getting all the tracks and not just stems.

@checkitout611 25 дней назад

Sounds like maybe a pain in the arse? In a car stereo do you feel the Atmos is really translated better for that listening environment or is a normal.stereo mix the better experience? It seems to me that unless you are using headphones or have a multipoint (surround) speaker system you wouldn't hear all the highlights an Atmos mix might give someone.

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

I think, even if you are listening on a stereo device, a really good Atmos mix folded down sounds better than the stereo master. That said there’s a shocking amount of terrible at most mixes out there. Which I believe is just the growing pains of the format.

@angelsantana3001 6 дней назад

So You are pushing a technology that requires the listener to sit down in an ideal environment to enjoy a sound in a mix buzzing around? Ok. Tell me you sold your soul to the devil without saying you sold your soul to the devil. You played yourself.

@mattmckay949 21 день назад

I don't quite get this 'deliverable' business ... surely you can deliver a file in any format and normally that format is likely to be the one that best serves your listening environment? How can a format be efficiently downscaled from 15 speakers to 2 ... surely there are exacting standards that need to be met for the 'Atmos' standard so how is this then downscaled to stereo is it a case of we just leave out some of the information that not facilitated by Atmos setups and if so then doesn't this subsequently mean that your end format is not optimised for that specific environment?

@MyFatherLoves 25 дней назад

Atmos music that uses the format to make it sound more live are my favorite mixes. The Atmos mixes that use the format almost like a cheap-gimmick by making weird panning decisions like BGVs coming from the back speakers or toms coming entirely out of one side of the room is no bueno...It's distracting and odd. Again, my favorite Atmos mixes to date are those that are using the format to create a stage, if you will, where they place the instruments and vocalist in the room with you.... those are the best mixes in my opinion.

@zootook3422 25 дней назад

It will be interesting to see what playback devices that will be invented in the coming years. Now that there will be huge amount of music in Atmos, there will be new innovations for listen to it I'm sure. Who would think in the 70s that the majority of listening to music would be done on the move using a portable device with headphones. Don't underestimate the power of innovation.

@user-yk4gd1fl4z 24 дня назад

Unfortuntely no one, as in the general public gives one single shit about a "better" way to listen to music. If they did, they would all still have proper stereo set ups.

@kadiummusic 11 дней назад

Just look at the facts, mass audio has never sounded worse and punters love it! The reason we have 4k and 8 k TV's is because people wanted it. Nobody wants Atmos EXCEPT the people who will make money from it. Wake up and smell the coffee, strewth. There is NO consumer demand for this. End of.

@keith_hudson 25 дней назад

Forgive my ignorance but Atmos almost seems like one of those things where the mix needs to be dedicated to that from the very beginning. It seems to me if you’re going to do an Atmos mix, the stereo needs to be trying to ensure it retains as much of the Atmos mix rather than vice versa. Mixing a stereo master to be an Atmos mix seems very backwards to me.

@kevinlentz7604 25 дней назад

So interesting ❤your work

@brianparker1081 25 дней назад

ATMOS reminds me that in 1978 3D was doing to be standard in just a few years.... and nope it did not. This can be a very expensive ooppss.

@MichalMikulskiMM 22 дня назад

I have a atmos soundbar with satellites behind me (Samsung Q990C), very easy to set up, as it's sending sound through wifi, not only did I get a big step up from stereo to Atmos in films, I also listen to music in that format, which for example Easy by Emilie Nicolas just sounds AMAZING, and when I listened to it in Stereo it just didn't do it for me at all. Also Rocket Man, by Elton, wow what a experience! Just breathtaking. I don't understand all the hate Atmos is getting... Also my friends all are amazed at how well it sounds compared to stereo, and one friend who was very against the idea, as he had bad experience with 5.1, but with Atmos he was blown away, and laughing out loud at how the stereo sounded weak in the big moments, it did not deliver as well as Atmos did through my simple soundbar... I found many songs though which sound simply badly mixed, not really fault of atmos. It's definitely the future. Same story was when Stereo came in... and there will be people who will still listen in mono....

@Dystopian84 22 дня назад

Stereo Started in the 40's and became a standard in the 70's so you still have a lot of time ... currently Atmos is ignored by most people and mocked by some ... something similar happened with NFTs a couple years ago ... I don't think atmos is the future at all , it might already be over

@MichalMikulskiMM 22 дня назад

@@Dystopian84 what is the future then? Stereo? That’s not progress, it’s just being static in that regard, so again there’s no progress. Yet Atmos is a progress in separating sounds as there is more speakers for the sounds to breathe in. When we are out and about we hear sound from all around us. Not just from two sources in front of us. In stereo there’s simply not enough room to fit all the sounds in a song. It’s simple physics, and logical. The vocals in good atmos mix sounds finally better than in stereo, and I can hear the words and understand them easier. It’s a better way to understand music, the intentions and emotions of each musician as it comes across much clearer. So no, I don’t agree with you, but it’s my opinion, and Colts, and PDPs, and other engineers who listened to atmos with an open mind, and made the choice to go that route. Also the algorithm for the stereo headphones is improving constantly. If atmos can also be played on my bluetooth speaker and it sounds way better and clearer than with a normal stereo file, I think it will only get better. It probably will be a standard. For example, if someone would tell you in 60s and 70s that instead of cash, people in the future will mostly use a plastic card that you will be able to withdraw money from a machine, and pay with it in stores, knowing what we know now, wouldn’t you want to have a piece of that pie early on? It’s an opportunity that no one today would shy away from if we could go back in time, but then it was like - what’s the point of a cash machine if I can just bring my own cash from the bank? So simply put be ahead of the competition and times. In my opinion if you are someone who thinks of this as a business and wants to make a living, this is the way to go, as it’s a better way to listen to the music, it’s progress and it can boost your business. Your mileage may vary, as everyone has a different opinion, but I’m not going to diss atmos, just because others are doing it. If I had the money and health to invest in atmos (though arguably you can start with headphones) I would do it like Colt. Makes perfect sense to persist in it. He will definitely get work this way. He can do both stereo and atmos now. He isn’t limited to stereo only. Peace.

@Dystopian84 22 дня назад

@@MichalMikulskiMM There are very very few you tubers who make atmos content and yet the comments on that video are mostly negative . The general public doesn't care at all , most people don't have a proper atmos system so they are more likely to listen to atmos on headphones ... And atmos mixes don't translate very well on headphones ( binaural or stereo fold downs ) stereo remains vastly superior if you don't have a proper system

@MichalMikulskiMM 22 дня назад

@@Dystopian84 There is a lot of positive comments, I read them all here, there are many people who just boarded the dissing train and keep liking the negative comments which in turn are more visible, and are shown on top. I just don’t agree with what people are saying, based on my own experience. The algorithm keeps getting better on headphones, and headphones aren’t the only way to listen to content, there are people with systems like mine or better, suited for film, but also good for music. I think saying people don’t care at all is a wrong way to phrase it. There are people which don’t care, but I care about music, and I know there are many people who also care about sound. If someone doesn’t care, why listen to music at all?? Might as well not listen to it at all if someone doesn’t care.

@ericlee5935 25 дней назад

Mark Zuckerberg announced that meta is going to support Dolby Atmos including Quest VR headset

@ColtCapperrune 25 дней назад

Doesn’t surprise me one bit. There’s no point in having a three-dimensional immersive environment with two dimensional sound.

@ericlee5935 25 дней назад

@@ColtCapperruneyep. The comment is about Dolby Atmos is the present and future, just embrace it

@PhonicDeep 13 дней назад

Still seeing ppl tryin gto push atmos forward OMG... Immersive audio is for video, not for Audio.

@NoYou879 14 дней назад

you keep talking and talking and talking about atmos but then provide no audio examples of anything. obviously you can't allow us to hear the actual surround mix through youtube, but you have claimed at several points that after stereo fold-down a "good atmos mix" sounds as good or better than a regular stereo mix. you have also claimed that mix elements seem to "fight eachother less" in that situation. if that stuff is at all true then all you have to do is show examples and people won't give you as much pushback. show us actual mix examples or stop yapping

@wald3287 22 дня назад

This is a take attempting to convince artists to ONLY have the atmos master. Do away with the stereo all together…because atmos will fold down to whatever format you have. Bad bad bad advice. Atmos mixes at very best sound ‘close’ to the stereo, at worst a phasey, verbed out mess. You CAN NOT fold down multiple, spatialized channels to stereo and expect coherence.

@natecornell-official761 25 дней назад

I really love digging into this topic as I think immersive mixing is a great skill to possess these days. There value beyond what is even mentioned in this video. Having said that, and with much well deserved respect, I have to disagree with your premise about the single deliverable. It's not even my opinion, it's a scientific reality that exists like gravity. You CANNOT have a single deliverable (in this case an immersive mix) that is optimized for an immersive setup and a stereo setup in the same way you CANNOT optimize a stereo mix and have it fully mono compatible. If you chase mono too hard when mixing in stereo, you will essentially create a very narrow stereo mix. Most modern mix engineer are trying to get their mixes wider not more narrow, but every time you hit that mono button you lose something. Stereo is only double what mono is, however, when you quadruple what stereo is you're going to lose 4/5 of your content... or you're going to create a crappy immersive mix (and why do immersive to begin with if so). The only way a single deliverable is possible is if a filetype is created that embeds two different master recordings in the same file (one optimized for stereo and the other for immersive). The real art of immersive mixing is not the technical skills but your ability to convince your client to let you do what is necessary to maximize their mix on the immersive platform. At the end of the day you're still relying on immersive to replace stereo like stereo did mono. It might, but they two will never share equal status. Much respect!