I WAS WRONG - MITIGATION IS BROKEN IN A DIFFERENT WAY | Elder Scrolls Online - Gold Road

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In my previous video ( • YOU WILL TAKE MORE DAM... ) I was wrong about the way ZOS is calculating mitigation. In this video I'll show you a different reverse engineered mitigation formula that is most likely correct.
SparkRip's mitigation spreadsheet - docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
============= Timestamps ⏲️ =============
0:00 Intro
0:21 About Previous Video
1:32 How Mitigation Really Works
6:05 Order of Calculation
6:46 Penalties Still Additive
8:10 Summary
8:43 Outro
============= Last words ✨ =============
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@ketchupdoc9304 Месяц назад

Feel like it would just be easier to have a 90% damage mitigation cap. This just feels like ZoS has come up with the single most complex fix possible

@teflonbird Месяц назад

I have a feeling this problem runs much deeper than just damage mitigation. It's nowhere as bad damage mitigation, but there is something strange going on with the % bonuses for speed, mostly surrounding using the steed mundus with wild hunt ring. Even though you can get to max movement speed without the steed mundus, if you try to combine steed mundus with wild hunt and other bonuses to reach max movement speed, you'll end up moving a lot slower than if you were to reach max movement speed without steed mundus

@Sparkrip Месяц назад

Great video again lol, I hope we won't discover anything new that changes mitigation again. Well zos making penalties multiplicative would be a nice change but its unlikely. Zeebs showed me a post by a zenimax dev that said they want the penalties to be additive.

@Sianic12 Месяц назад

Wow. I never understood how ZOS got the bright idea to plague heavy armor (you know, the kind of armor you wear to reduce damage) with a penalty that _increases_ damage taken, but this is so, so much worse. How did they mess this up so bad? Why are armor bonuses multiplicative but the penalties additive? Whose bright idea was that? And rounding after every multiplication is like an absolute beginner mistake in programming. Especially if you always round _up_ instead of down. It should be obvious that some factors will get completely nullified in this system. Did they just not care or is this an oversight? You can't tell me it's easier to round after applying each factor than to just multiply everything together and _then_ round the result. Because it isn't. So what the hell ZOS?

@ZephioGaming Месяц назад

Trust me: They dont care. They have shown it multiple times, this once again just proves it, sadly.

@mryoshi4762 Месяц назад

Excellent video, good to understand this better.

@buldezir Месяц назад

wow, rounding 73.1 to 74, thats "awesome" math by zos. i did not expected less from them :facepalm:

@TetFeMal Месяц назад

Probably better if the rounding is consistent. I'm coping.

@G0K4Rx527 Месяц назад

It's not wrong. It's no school exam. It's not even math. It's their own formula, they can do what they want :D

@kyletilley5295 Месяц назад

I wish everyone would hammer zos on this mitigation and get it changed

@polvocorrupto Месяц назад

I'm so glad to been using Necrotic Potency's opposite morph instead.

@ZephioGaming Месяц назад

@hyperioxes Are you recommending undeath passive for tanks "always"? Or should we avoid it in high flame DMG dungeons/trials? Is it better to go with undeath most of the time?

@ronanow4047 Месяц назад

^ I also wanna know

@connor_____9236 Месяц назад

You don’t want to run undeath when it is not absolutely necessary, since it has a lot of negatives (increased ability cost for non vampire abilities, health recovery massively decreased, increased fire dmg taken etc…); Besides having more survival than absolutely required is pointless and there is no vet content in the game that can’t be completed without undeath. Tbh unless you’re running trial HMs and even then it’s really just for very specific bosses, there aren’t gonna be any scenarios where you need to run it. The infinite archive is a bit of an exception, as it can help add some survivability and the negatives can be mitigated with visions. But for general vet trials and dungeons nah, store the vampire in armoury or at the very least keep the stage at minimum Also note that the only two vampire abilities that can be useful on a tank are mist form and exhilarating siphon for movement and ultigen respectively. So unless you’re running a perma magma shell setup (which is only very situationally useful) you’re not using many vampire skills, so the cost increase/reduction trade off just ends up being a negative

@user-tp4ii6hs3l Месяц назад

A game based on math with broken math.

@Torshaven4632 11 дней назад

ZOS uses the exact same kind of math in calculating mitigation that the Veteran's Administration uses in assessing disability ratings.

@Chef42 Месяц назад

They are using something called Significant Figures. Its usually used in high end measurements to reduce sources of error. It doesn't really seem appropriate for a game environment though.

@G0K4Rx527 Месяц назад

Thanks for the update, Hyper. I was kinda confused after the last vid. This helps with understanding. I can imagine what they wanted to do there. But it clearly didn't work after recent events reaching 100% mitigation. Penalties still beding additive there is definitely still work to do atm. I agree with others the lack of transparency / comprehension how mitigation works is really underwhelming. Additional rounding operations don't have any impact on bad server performance tho (read that a few times) :D The whole thing is way too complex to come up with a better / good solution without having overall knowledge in depth. But of course it would be very nice for reproducing / making builds choices of the formula was more simple. Like for instance all effects being additive (with decreased base values) and also having a hard mitigation cap at xx percent...

@pklemming Месяц назад

Awesome, so the more 'bonuses' applied the higher the cumulative error. Why can't they keep a standard of 2 decimal places?

@dakarbrown5474 12 дней назад

So what should we do?

@Grandiose_2 Месяц назад

Very nice work, helped me understand how zos garbage code gets results. So.. has the mitigation calculator update for the roundup conclusion? It still shows the mitigation can be 85.4209. BTW, may I ask how to calculate the Critical Resistance and Elemental Resistance? tyvm.

@Sparkrip Месяц назад

yes its updated, the video isn't about the final mitigation number but about the yellow section called "what zos calls "multiplication""

@Sparkrip Месяц назад

no clue about how critical works because its only for pvp as for elemental resistance its just additive with your physical/spell resistance which caps at 33.1k

@Grandiose_2 Месяц назад

Thanks for the replies and for all the work you do

@avidnecro Месяц назад

So with this formula, on a necromancer… what’s our total damage mitigation ACTUALLY, With: -Stage 3 vamp -Deadened pain with major protection proced -Nobility in decay active -minor maim active on the attacking enemy. This of course would all be before blocking.

@Believaball Месяц назад

nerd lol (: would be good to know tho

@Sparkrip Месяц назад

the spreadsheet is in the description feel free to make your own copy check the corresponding boxes and find out

@avidnecro Месяц назад

@@Believaball 😂😂

@wdeemarwdeemar8739 Месяц назад

Ok with all that you know what will you be doing to change your builds and your recommendations for us?

@RabidSlugz Месяц назад

So every time every person on the server is taking damage rather than calculate via straight multiplication only, they will be also rounding each step. That in addition to being bad math cant be good for server load. I propose additive with a mitigation cap of 90 to 95%

@G0K4Rx527 Месяц назад

Don't worry. The server does not care about a simple additional operation like rounding. Also funny ppl saying this is bad math. It has nothing to do with math. It's their formula.

@BBRocker75 Месяц назад

Hyperioxes. Please, Can you talk about the VAMPIRE MYTH ON TESO PVP. It is really good be a vampire or is just a huge problem? When is good and when is bad?

@DragonBank Месяц назад

It is op when you want to gen ult fast such as a dk running magma shell. Otherwise it is very situational.

@lukasr1166 Месяц назад

must have in PVP because undeath is so strong

@sk8legendz Месяц назад

The only thing that vampire is good for is the damage buff from stealth as a night blade. Or another class if you're working it into it or if you run 40K health or above? And you want the tankiness from the undeath passive. Honestly, vampire in cyrodiil sucks ass unless you're gankimg imo Fire damage ain't a joke

@irishned6464 Месяц назад

@@sk8legendz Ah... 95 % of all PvP builds are Vamps. 6% additional fire dmg taken and 6% increased cost in trade for the 30% all dmg mitigated at low health is swell worth the trade off as it gives you a chance to burst heal instead of dying to a gank, dot or execute.

@sk8legendz Месяц назад

@@irishned6464 fire damage will kill you fast. 30% doesn't kick in for most bulds til you are at execute range anyway you realistically get maybe 10%on average from it at best and cost increase affects sustain as well

@elderwiz3165 Месяц назад

They could also just tell us..

@enriquestortini1551 Месяц назад

We need better explanations about these numbers in the game itself. I don't understand how Zenimax expects us to be able to build our character efficiently if they don't give us information about these important numbers. Thanks for this valuable information, great video!

@G0K4Rx527 Месяц назад

Just play any way you want ;)

@MrKidFizz Месяц назад

I lol'd.

@MrKidFizz Месяц назад

I lol'd.

@samuraichicken2315 Месяц назад

This would have been so much easier if ZOS were open with their numbers. I really don't know why they can't do that??

@G0K4Rx527 Месяц назад

If you share such technical information, any time there is a minor change, you need to give an update. Thats additional work (and of course additional room for errors) and many times you don't want to be too transparent cause it can reveal possible mistakes on your side and also lead to unwanted questions (also additional work).

@ziggystardust1973 Месяц назад

Fascinating. Are they calling a ceiling function after every step? Maybe they are doing alot of integer divisions and they are cutting off everything after the period (for this to be the case they might calculate damage done since it would round down). I can't imagine this is done intentionally. If it is, at least do proper rounding

@oaksf9252 Месяц назад

Very interesting video and big respect to the testers. But at the end of the day I just have one question. Does it even matter?

@MrKidFizz Месяц назад

So Tanking PUG's on console will suck more???!!

@papasquatch2432 Месяц назад

Pass the console off to your kids. Invest and build a PC. Just some friendly advice.

@k-3402 Месяц назад

@@papasquatch2432Yep, and leave behind all your leveled toons, gear/gold, in-game purchases, and friends...

@papasquatch2432 Месяц назад

@@k-3402 I did it years ago. You can too.

@Sianic12 Месяц назад

@@papasquatch2432there's literally no reason for that whatsoever

@Webbwulf Месяц назад

No it will be fun. So now you will have to just play with more skill and rotation

@TheJoker-cz2rc 20 дней назад

Im taking a MASSIVE SHIT as I watch this video

@Hyperioxes 20 дней назад

enjoy brother

@TheJoker-cz2rc 20 дней назад

@@Hyperioxes ty it was glorious. The video really help it was super interesting and made the shitting process not be boring. Now i feel reliefed and i understand why i do more damage to ppl in pvp

@sk8legendz Месяц назад

Things like this are exactly why I said screw mitigation. And I just focus purely on damage and healing Just easier to be a glass cannon 😂

@GeraldJSmith Месяц назад

LOL. Trust a game developer to somehow create a damage mitigation formula that somehow screws up the transitive property of multiplication. What were they smoking when they decided to round at every step along the way?

@G0K4Rx527 Месяц назад

Simple answer to this is probably to prevent stacking mitigation too much. I think its a good approach. But maybe something like just doing additive, decreasing base values and adding a hard cap could also work... But its way to complex to come up with a better / good solution without having detailed information and overall knowledge.

@ultiscrubgaming915 Месяц назад

Damage reduction and addition need to be additive not multiplicative. It would be easier on the server too due to less rounding

@TheMeanGrinch Месяц назад

cooked

@tixzs Месяц назад

So sum you guys still don't have a grasp on what is going on with the game 💯. Good video tho.its not just match for the game value and damage. Everything is layered to not over work the system in place to help the game function ❤

@SirBagsAlot-fj3pe Месяц назад

Just nerf undeath ZoS

@marcocivalerian9099 Месяц назад

it will kill the vamp , nobody will want to be vamp anymore if they nerf it

@SirBagsAlot-fj3pe Месяц назад

@@marcocivalerian9099 Literally everyone in pvp is a vamp get out of here

@Centurion305 Месяц назад

You can still reach 100% mitigation without vamp. Just requires more skills slotted but yeah, nerfing undeath will help but it won't fix this issue. The issue is how this isn't all multiplicative. For some reason ZoS is hardware avoiding trying to make the entire mitigation formula multiplicative

@spartanscv Месяц назад

@@SirBagsAlot-fj3peThe problem in that phrase is what it should say PvE/PvP isntead of pvp

@SirBagsAlot-fj3pe Месяц назад

@@spartanscv They can delete vamp from eso for all I care at this point. Its been far too overpowered of one single passive for years now that its a requirement in pvp on any character

@skulpturostone4621 Месяц назад

With an unpredictable and always-changing mitigation, no wonder large battles are always laggy. Every second(or maybe even faster) game recalculates all that formulas. May be there is an easier way? And light armour is useless still? It gives debuff to martial damage and also gives less overal armour. What's the point in it? Just use medium and throw some mag recovery. Less stamina issues, more armour, more spell damage. Supreme over all. Anyway, your prognosis on how meta will shift?

@macattack5457 Месяц назад

I'm so confused. Time for for some good ol critical thinking because this is nuts...🤯

@jimmy2643 Месяц назад

ZoS plz nerf undeath with battle spirit

@sw5949 Месяц назад

Even with the severe penalty - vampire is used everywhere in pvp. It needs a heavier penalty so it’s not just a mindless must have

@IncultaWolf Месяц назад

nerf undeath already

@Lithrons Месяц назад

@aussie-elders Месяц назад

I dont understand why there is decimals in the first place if we are talking about whole numbers

@G0K4Rx527 Месяц назад

Maybe there isn't :D

@anthrillienmorningstar797 22 дня назад

ESO is really, really bad at explaining how any of its mechanics actually work, and stuff like this is just the cherry on top. Why is it that I have to find this out from a small RU-vidr and not on a Wiki or official guide? Insane decision making behaviour ZOS.