Christspiracy Review 

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What about Pignorant?

It takes empathy, bravery and a strong sense of justice to confront the truth. Those who ignore or dismiss the truth are afraid and self serving and are lacking in the basics and fundamentals of compassion. When we know better and different we can be better and different.

I keep seeing vegan activists saying they've seen this documentary and telling others to watch it. But no matter how much I search, I can't find it anywhere. I can find lots of trailers etc, but WHERE (digitally) CAN I FIND THE DOCUMENTARY TO WATCH???? __________________________________________ I Just did a bit more research and find that it's only showing in theatres right now, so it's not digitally available. Some of us don't live anywhere near theatres and rely on being able to watch films/documentaries digitally...

Do you have any interviews with slaughterhouse workers? I feel like their perspectives could play an important role in outreach

Wasn't Jesus known for putting demons into some pigs and then driving the pigs off a cliff?

It’s the best documentary I’ve ever seen. Amazing

Sorry ---- I AM GOING to watch Christspiracy for myself. Looove this movie Looove Kip and Kam

Where can you watch/stream the movie?

Humane Hancock, I am inclined to agree with you here. What did you think about Pignorant?

A very genuine review. - some christian

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I've been invested into story-telling (and its criticism) for about a decade before I went vegan and got interested in ethics in general. One thing I learned is that people are generally just not convinced by facts, and need to be convinced emotionally before they actually make a change, that's why I think it's absolutely fair to criticize these kinds of documentaries for not being that effective. People also just simply don't like being pandered too, and with that I honestly believe making a documentary with a more seemingly neutral attitude might be more effective. Exploring the subject of eating meat within religion IS interesting on itself, and I do believe any honest exploration of the subject without any dress up will probably convince people to reconsider eating meat. Veganism is hard a idea to sell because there's no fun exciting angle to take on it, but I do believe that having people actually engage with the subject at all is going to push them in the right direction because the facts are already as convincing as they are. Trying to dress it up in a "2000 year old conspiracy" definitely sounds like a turn-off to me. For whatever documentaries I have seen, trying to dramatize it often has a very counter-productive effect. It's better to let the audience be an observer rather than telling them how to feel.

Common Enemy a film by The Humane League is another good one! You can watch it for free

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I thought cowspiracy was very well made in terms of a storyline and being very engaging. It had a really nice flow to it. But this film, even though I agree with all the content in it, somehow didn’t flow well as a narrative. This information about Jesus being a vegetarian was revealed to me years ago when I used to pray alone in the woods and live like a hermit. I did some digging on my own. I could feel the guidance through signs and symbols in this direction. I was guided to the Essene Gospel of Peace and thought Jesus was an Essene. To me it was obvious that the scene in the temple is a spiritual allegory of Jesus cleansing our body (temple) of all animal slaughter and making our body/mind into a house of prayer. A lot of these points are obvious to me about Jesus and what he taught. I am in the church, but was raised Hindu and also practiced Buddhism and shamanism- to me they are all different paths with the same goal and same essential core. It is clear that so many people in Christianity are confused as heck and lost and just following some authority figures. They don’t pray and get the answers from within- they prefer to have an outside authority to tell them what to do or think. Regardless of my filmmaking opinion, I hope this film reaches people

Not gonna lie, this vid is great because I don't really want to watch it but I'd like to know if it is a good idea to recommend it. I'm already vegan and I know that it is the most spiritual / ethical stance. IDGAF if Jesus was vegetarian or not, and I don't need to know that to know that Christianity is hell of a patriarchal mess and the concept of dominion is central to it. But I was wondering if my grandmother (that is quite a Christian worshipper) would get some value of this in order for her to be more in peace with my ethical choices. Maybe I don't need to try to convince her, at least not through conspirative films.

Disgusting behaviour. Just a quick money grab.

Edit: sensational describes the right styliastic rhetorical flaw of Christspiracy, but hyperbolic is absolutely the wrong word to describe the film. No aspect of Christspiracy is hyperbolic, unless Kip really was not being followed or had his place broken into. I dont put that above organized religious groups but if im wrong, im a b*tch *ss. I agree with many of Hancock's critiques but I really disagree with the characteristization of hyperbolic conspiracy and the disconnect or "lack of focus" between the overarching message and the stories of oppression in the film. The teachings of Jesus are directly related to equality for all, and the philosophy of veganism. I see a dosfferent interpretation of the desgree to which they implicated specific actors as directing the conspiracy. It was actually covered up during the early church councils, by the teachings of Paul, and by the overwhelming institutional cultural cover up in the roman world and christendom waaay back in the day.

And I'm curious about the yulin dog activist. There's tons of articles claiming he abused animals. He says they were done by competing animal activists.

Yeah, good video thanks

Nice review! I haven't watched it yet (I haven't found any way to watch it from Spain). You made a good point: Maybe the conspiracy theory vibe was intentionally hyperbolic to maximize their reach. But they could have also maximized reach by letting Netflix show the film (at the cost of possibly being less hyperbolic) 🤷. I guess that vibe works for many people, so I hope the outcome is good overall!

No matter the film and its execution, if done by Vegan people, it will accused of being propaganda cos its easier to attack rhe messanger and ignore the victims of human atrocities.

While I disagree with many points here, and feel you missed it on many others, I appreciate you taking the time. I’d love to come clarify your points and answer questions on a stream some time, as I’m not so sure this particular video will age so well as the story continues to unfold with Christspiracy and subsequent materials. As hyperbolic as things may seem, you will come to understand over time how deep this rabbit hole goes, in due time. 🙏🏼

13:54 I don't think it's about fast food and meat producers paying them to keep quiet, but more that the church has an interest in avoiding the topic in order not to risk funding being pulled. Big business often works in the realm of quid-pro-quo, sticking their tendrils in every aspect of life and in return are given favourable treatment. Even still, there is a pretty big burden of proof.

I’ll deal with any spoilers. These directors didn’t think about actually releasing the film in such a way that people can watch it.

It seems like you missed quite a lot from the film. You should have Kameron Waters (co-director) on to respond to your critiques, as I feel this review (especially the title) could thwart a lot of people from seeing this film who can have their lives completely transformed for the better-I having been one of them. Not to mention, there have already been thousands of meat eater to vegan conversions. I can appreciate the honest thoughts, but your approach is considerably disappointing.

I really liked seaspiracy. I stopped buying cat food with fish in it afterwards.

This is a great review. Captures my thoughts exactly. And I can’t wait to see what you’re making!!!

I read the transcript because I have no sound atm, but as I understand it, the issue you’re highlighting is one of honesty and vegan activism. It mirrors an issue commonly brought up to criticise effective altruism - short sighted consequentialism that brings the movement into disrepute/causes long term harm. Negative utilitarianism doesn’t have a fixed time horizon before which it evaluates consequences/utility. In any case, I think that the films scriptural interpretation part is more than fair. Occams razor, jesus’s core messaging and the basic premises underlying eg christianity (compassion, altruism, love), and some biblical source criticism makes the case being presented in the movie imo a mostly accurate intepretation of scripture. The temple cleansing scene was a bit over the top though. But what I’m trying to say is that interpretation of scripture is 1. Inherently noisy because of early christianity having multiple authors of the bible, some of which hadn’t even met hesus, and some of which were in active disagreement which each other (paul calling James and others ”weak of faith” for not eating meat, despite James et al actually having had been around Jesus). At the risk of sounding sacrilegious (lol) the part about Jesus eating fish that you mentioned is from a passage under dispute. 2. Far more poorly supported interpretation being accepted all the time. Why can’t this take on the bible join mainstream discourse? The practice of giving saints supernatural ability and involving them in prayer is dubious to say the least. But we can’t argue for Jesus being compassionate not just to humans?

Your title is already pretty disgusting seeing that you are actually supposed to be an animal rights activist. You watched it so OTHERS DONT HAVE TO? Isn't that kind of "framing" for something that is heinous or simply wrong like a carnist propaganda?

Did you say your father is a slaughter house worker? How do you navigate that? It must be difficult...

It would have been better to explore EXISTING religious fasting traditions: Meatless Fridays for Catholics. Greek Orthodox vegan much of the year. St. Benedict calling for vegan unless the monk is ill.

Thank you for caring!👍

Just from a theological perspective... 1. Mark 8:7-8 7 "And they had a few small fishes: and he blessed, and commanded to set them also before them" 8 "So they did eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken meat that was left seven baskets" This passage shows that Jesus fed the multitude fish. Now this passage does not address whether or not Jesus ate the fish, but what it does do is show that he advocating the eating of fish. I only post this to address the Christpiracy claims regarding Jesus. Now a passage that is even more directly in contradiction to the claims of this documentary regarding Jesus, is found in... 2. Luke 24:42-43 42 "And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb" 43 "And he took it, and did eat before them." I know that the religious aspect is NOT the topic of this video, but merely to address the conspiracy side of the documentary... Jesus, at least according to the Bible was not a vegan. Now if the question is did Jesus catch those fish himself, there is a passage in John 21 that points to the fact that he himself caught the fish they ate. Regardless, these verses I've displayed above, at the very least, have him complicit in the eating of fish. So the conspiracy competent of the doc is not coming from a place of being well informed.

Wow. That was a really disappointing review. This was a fantastic movie. I'm guessing that you took the jab as well because you "don't believe in conspiracy theories." A total bummer Hancock.

I'm back after 4 years to comment (again!) that you having 21k subscribers is actually bizarre. If you are in US someday, lets make content.

Please watch and review Maa Ka Doodh!

I can't wait to watch your documentary/ film.

Some people believe all conspiracies are far fetched, and it seems so when you consider how extreme and disturbing it would be if true, but that cringey far fetched ness isn’t evidence to disprove said conspiracy. We must be open minded about things, the church is very powerful and hates negative propaganda regarding their religion.

Interesting opinions, just get on and make your film, the more the better, and stop wasting your time criticising the attempts of others. This film is fantastic and I believe it has promoted a wider discussion, I shall promote it whenever I can anyway. Any attempt to stop the rivers of blood across the face of the earth can only be good!

So that we dont have to? I tjink eberyone should watch this documentary both vegans and carnists 😊

It's important to have different styles of film to highlight the savage nature of animal agriculture. This one maybe heavily dramatised but we know how difficult it is to get non-vegans to accept facts, however they are presented. It's also important to remember how many people changed their choices through influence by Cowspiracy, so, hopefully this is a continuation of that.

Did they talk about if Jesus was an essene or not?

Where can I watch it? Is it going to be available for streaming somewhere?

I watched your whole video to give you a fair shot. You claim the film is all over the place but in reality YOUR video is all over the place. Why would you not want people to see this film as your title suggests? For a person of faith it could be a turning point for them to become vegan. We want more vegans correct? Correct?? Also for the atheist or non-Christian this gives you more to use to convince people of faith to become vegan. There is something intellectually dishonest with how you present your subjective opinions and many times you aren’t sure you even are sure of your opinion. But you ARE sure people don’t need to see this film. Also, you take the time to save face a couple of times and kiss up to Kip. Yuck. I appreciate what you are doing for animals but this video can’t be ignored for being irresponsible. As a vegan I can recommend everyone see this film. ✌🏻

I love Tim

They are trying to catch the "conspiracy" audience that is very huge sadly.

Why is everyone saying ‘hyperbolic?’

you changed my view about documentaries for the better. Thanks!

There will be a Conspiracy documentary made above these Conspiracy documentaries and it'll be called "A Conspiracy Conspiracy" and people will be running away/followed by the people who made the Cowspiracy/Seaspiracy/Christspiracy documentaries. Him being "followed" definitely was just made up for the movie in this one 😅

If they would not have stated they are being persecuted, It would have probably happened. They were followed. And the biggest enemy of this movie is slander. Which all of the opposers of this movie will be doing.

8:00 I definitely think Kip Anderson should have compromised with Netflix. Had he used their censoring, he could have marketed a second version that was uncensored at a later date. It was far more important for people to see the message. Rather than make the profit and ownership.

One of the clips you showed which had a white guy playing Jesus, says much about the filmmakers!

It is an aestetical problem with the screenplay of these activist movies. Probably they do not have too much things to say to fill 60 or 90 minutes

It was going so well, until you started drinking coca cola...

do pignorant next please

lol the tim feature

I suggest collecting more of the background.

I agree with some of the points made here. For example, the part about eating roadkill seemed extra. It was presented as an ethical way to eat animals, but not really discussed in any depth. Some of the other things you mention seem more like personal preferences to me. Like when you said another movie doesn't have the things you didn't like about "Christpiracy." Just like with other forms of activism, there isn't one right way to do it. Different things resonate with different people. And, like you said, it's hard to know which alternatives will convince non-vegans (the people we want to convince). On a different note, I wasn't as moved by the dog meat trade as I was by another part of the movie where I almost cried seeing how unfairly we treat cows. A friend I brought to the theater who isn't vegan went to the bathroom to cry after the film. So, in my opinion, the movie was a success. I hope other non-vegans can be moved like that too.

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I found your commentary very interesting.

The film is a failure. You need incredibly competent fact checkers, honesty and integrity. Only one problem is enough to make the whole film fall flat. Inferring Jesus was vegetarian without conclusive evidence and without a 'conspiracy' means noone, who needs to be convinced, will be. This type of cringe sets the movement backwards

I'm an Atheist myself Anti-theist more accurately. But will watch this eventually the basic premise of a mostly compassionate peaceful character like Jesus genuinely caring about other sentient beings suffering sounds very plausible to me, nice video Jack fair play.🌱🌅🍀

I totally agree with your critiques on this Jack. Thank you.

The question we have to ask ourselves is: how many non vegans are actually going to watch this? And what percentage of those who watch it will actually convert to veganism? And how many of them will leave the theatre with a more negative perception of veganism? From everything I've heard about this film it sounds very unlikely that it's going to convert any significant number of people to veganism. On the other hand the narrative suggests to me that it will reinforce the "vegans are crazy narrative" People seem to forget that these types of films can really turn people off veganism instead of converting them.

To the point review! 👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!

i dont know why anyone would talk smack on a vegan film who is vegan. i thought the film was excellent

It would make a interesting documentary about how psychedelics have lead some people to become vegan. 💥 🧿🧿 👈=( 👅 )=👉 💚🍄🍄🍄💚

I was so impressed by the activists in the movie that I googled some. I watched a speech by Andrew Linzey because he was so cool in the movie. It was on animal suffering in the Bible. At the end, there's a QnA where he says, not everyone should be vegan. Wtf???

Appreciate your honest review. As much as I agree with all of the vegan documentaries, I don’t think they actually do a good job of convincing your average meat eater to go vegan. I think they’re mostly vegan circle jerks

BULLSHIT ALERT- the movie totally twists the den of theives story. the greek word jesus uses is "λῃστής" (robber), but it's translated into hebrew as "פָּרִיץ" (robber OR violent one), which the film ofc interprets as "violent one." why did they use hebrew instead of greek, when the new testament was originally written in greek? bc they're not honest lol. the arguments for veganism are already so strong- we shouldn't need to twist facts to bolster them.

And thanks for being honest and using critical thinking instead of just kneeling before Kip Anderson as if he himself were the real Christ, as most vegan RU-vidr, and all the folks from Plant Based News, do.

I agree that I wish they went with netflix and they loose credibility, but maybe they are purposely taking a different approach, people are more convinced by emotions rather than logic. There are other films that take the other approaches.

I haven't seen it. This review is odd. The message of Vegan Docs is to stop the murder of animals.

This movie sounded stupid from the get-go. We really shouldn't be using myths to justify anything in reality.

They stole a scene from their other movie, Cowspiracy. Where they ask a priest, is there any danger in making the movie.

Very honest analysis and i pretty much agree. It is hard to know what's right about vegan filmmaking (as far as how to move the ball forward). Also, it's just to be expected that a series of films named "_spiracy" are going to focus on the conspiracy element, which i believe is certainly real, though they probably overly hype it with the worrying for their lives (but i could be wrong). It's clear when an industry literally outlaws photographing their practices that this is a massive cover-up operation with billions of dollars being protected by keeping these secret. I think the word conspiracy has gotten this ridiculous negative vibe to it, as if conspiracies aren't a very real part of how capitalism and politics operate. We can thank a certain three letter agency stating with "C" for starting that one, and the useful idiots for the rest (I've noticed that when i use the actual name, these comments are often deleted... Call me a conspiracy theorist). I'm not saying we should just assume everything is the result of conspiracy, but certainly, a lot of the bad things in our society are upheld by them and we would be remiss not to take these "theories" seriously

Non-bigots can criticize anything. I don't follow any ideology, I can criticize vegans all the time, I'm all for animal rights in a non-ideological way, it's about intelligence.

I was getting ready to disagree with your review after seeing the film myself, but you made some really valid points and many of your favourite aspects of the film were the same as mine. I agree that the hyperbolic/sensational aspect of the film is probably going to turn off many religious carnists but I had another thought while watching your review. As someone that was raised in the Catholic Church I have seen the value of a central religious/spiritual base and the good work of religion. Of course there is some pretty awful stuff done in God’s name too but I feel most religions have a central message of being kind. More and more I have felt like religion is too far behind calling out unethical practises by human beings. It is really nice to consider that the figure of Jesus was ahead of society in this aspect of kindness as well. It has certainly given me a sense of hope for the Catholic Church and other religious institutions that have turned their back on this moral emergency. Maybe it will cause some new thinking for many people in religious organisations in turn. Thanks for your honest review. I enjoyed and appreciated your thoughts.

I had a feeling it would be cringe.

I had a very similar experience watching the movie. I felt a bit disappointed by the end of it, because my expectations were set so high by all the promo. The highlight of the movie for me was the mistranslation of the story of Jesus at the marketplace, but I don’t know if it was "revelatory" enough to set as the climax. It did bother me that they tried to tackle like 5 different religions in like 100 minutes. They should've stuck just to Christianity because it felt like it was only scratching the surface (which they did say at the end, to be fair). The general style of the documentary threw me off, too. It felt sensationalized, but I think a better word to describe it is "American", if that makes sense. I felt that to a lesser extent with his other documentaries as well. The church going after them didnt feel entirely believable to me either. But who knows? All in all, mixed feelings about this movie. I should see it again to gather my thoughts more coherently.

The feeling that I got from What The Health and Seaspiracy at the time was a bit sketchy. Something about it felt unnecessarily sensationalistic and un-nuanced just from the way the story was told (rhetoric devices, edit, music etc)

If you want to go vegan, good luck to you, you have my respect. If you are going to eat meat, eat Halal as it's ethically slaughtered.

No, I don't see a real Benefit for the Animals, doing this videos. Yeah, if you were very famous, then the filmmaker would watch. But you are not. So, for your relatively small audience of vegans, it's not useful, in terms how we can change the world. So, no, don't do this kind of videos. You are so Good, you can do Really Useful staff. So, do that!