I watched every Final Destination to figure out Deaths design 

That is the issue with a bad movie trying to use something like "A female version" as a gimmick. If the movie is bad they will claim it is due to people not liking it because they are sexiest not because it is a bad movie. Sometimes I feel like Hollywood does that sometimes for that reason. I watched it expecting it to be at least okay. I found it boring and my least favorite character was the male secretary. The women overall were set up to be great characters, but the writing was bad and did not know how to use the characters properly.

I think you'll find a lot of the comments come from the fact that the marketing and the creators involved used essentially that same line to deflect criticism as bad faith, yes there was backlash because of the fact that there were females in some neckbeards precious childhood cool nerds, but their existence was hard overstated to drum up controversy and delegitimize the actual opinions of it being garbage, and playing into that is going to trigger a bunch of people who had their opinions disregarded as beig MRA neckbeards when they just didn't like a bad movie.

you see, noone actually thought the movie was bad because it had an all female cast. People thought it was bad because it was bad and then the creators of the movie spun it as a "everyone is just actually sexist, our movie is actually good we swear." The movie wasn't "critiqued by a bunch of basement dwelling reddit mods," that's just what the creators wanted everyone to think so they could squeeze a few more dollars out of their garbage movie.

Nobody disliked the movie because it had an all-female cast. That's a myth supporters of the movie fabricated to try to invalidate criticism. It's trash because it's trash, but it was also made for (and marketed as) "wow look at your beloved classic, now it has a cast of quirky women instead." An equally sludge movie of an all-male cast wouldnt have been given a green light in the first place

@@RandomGuy2_Electric-Boogalo you are incorrect. there were people who disliked it because they were sexist. this doesn't mean that disliking the movie makes you sexist, but those people did exist.

No one even gets out of the ambulance either like, "oh shit I killed someone." They don't even address it.

On the plus side they were already at the emergency entrance when they got hit by the ambulance, I mean death was instant, but if it hadn't been, they could've been helped right away, well as soon as someone noticed someone's legs sticking out from the bottom of the ambulance, or were they at the main entrance, and if so was it a rogue ambulance with no one driving and that's why it ran over someone? Hmmm

This was so poorly written in. Like hey let's have an ambulance hit em...that's it. Why is it speeding through parking lot with people walking through n no....sirens...whatsoever😑😑😑

@@cwolf0915 Not to mention going fast enough to splatter him. Not to mention why is he crossing a road without looking with death hunting the guy next to him lol…”or so he thought.”

​@cwolf0915 I doubt anyone watching Final destination series thought it was well written considering it made no sense for all of these people are to die. It would've been nice if we got to saw Death pulling the strings and planning everything, but nah we have some sort of supernatural happenings but no mastermind.

He probably has a style meter going... SSadistic |============ | +DOMINOS X5 +DOUBLE KILL +CALAMITY X2 +SPLATTERED +IRONY +FRIENDLY FIRE +DEATH ORDER COMBO X4

Unironicly ? it would be peak, be it a dark comedy or serious take it would be amazing to see heck lean in to fan theories make the coroner death and make it about his life.

Starring Stephen Merchant as Death

a perfect billy and mandy episode tbh

@@lop90ful1Back when I cared about the series I imagined a cool returning protagonist, which would be 'the man who cheated death' (though ideally it'd be Clear Rivers) and they're someone who's gotten smart to how Death operates, and keeps avoiding Death's deathtraps. So yeah, I was imagining exactly that kind of scenario. Someone who'd survive every movie and kind of tie them together as they try to figure out a way to properly break the curse. But that's not how these movies work.

This is actually hilarious.. his first job.. known in the story, so far.. was the bridge in FD5.. and since then he's just been constantly fucking up, and chasing everyone down

​@@hsmorg3640 if this ain't relatable idk what is honestly

@@hsmorg3640Or the first guy fucked up, got fired and then they just keep hiring new people who keeping fucking up and getting fired so every movie is a new death’s first day on the job

@@siennahartle9069the final destination is him getting fired when one survives

THE SUCKING UP OF THE LIQUID IS SO FUNNY

literally insane shout out todd

Director Commentary here; The original idea was Death would 'clean up' after itself, and they filmed it like that... at first. They quickly changed their minds and just went ham with it. But it was the original idea the were going to go with.

@@JadeAnnabelArtthat was probably the idea of it as an X-Files episode. It was meant to be a mystery, with a series of seemingly random suicides being connected by all cheating death together. And then they realize that it’s not suicide and actually death coming back for them, and they have to save whoever is next

@@BrianSpurrier That actually sounds interesting. I just don't know how you'd write them arriving at such a fantastical conclusion.

And when you fuck up his grocery list he gets pissed and adds rules 😂

So maybe its like when death goes shopping and knows exactly where everything is but when he gets there the whole layout of the shop is changed by the dipshit with a premonition so now he has to run around figuring out where everything is and crossing off the list as he finds stuff, but since he has the list in front of him he tries to still go by that as much as he can? idk thats what i do when i go shopping tho i dont map out what i buy or when in an ordered list, i just run like a headless chicken and impulse buy half the store X{}

This is genius! It's hilarious to imagine Death genuinely tweaking because layout of the shop is changed for, like, the fourth time by the dipshits with premonition 🤣

Well, to be fair, who the hell writes a grocery list in order of where items are? I just write them in the order I think of what I need and then just try to find everything on my list that would be in the area of the store I'm in, lol

That's actually a pretty good way to put it. I remember watching the first 2 and could never really figure out how death actually worked. Putting like this is by far the easiest way to look at it. And I'm gonna show age, but I saw first 2 in theaters and on VHS lol

Big Zara from Jurassic World energy

@@davidportmore9784 ye

​@@davidportmore9784 ong that was so fucked up

Wouldn't shock me if the reason everyone is dying like this is because Death got bored and wants to entertain himself. Like a cat, playing with food, he's honing his skill while also entertaining his brain.

@@ArlanKels that was always my explanation for the signs he wants you to know your his prey and just fing with you

I thought that was a pretty obvious for what happened between 1 and 2, the rules didn't really seem that complicated really and often they just say quite explicitly what the rules are.

Yeah I was a bit frustrated when he kept trying to say that it loops back to clear every time in movie 2... Like... You made a false assumption in movie 1... It was fairly obvious and even the original trio said it explicitly "wait so if death is after Alex and almost killed him with a bus and Carter saved him then who's next?" Well... Carter gets hit by a sign... So that was the confirmation that it looped.

thank you guys, I just started the video and him getting that thing wrong is driving me insane

@@spider19990506 Ironic since this guy said he carefully looked and wrote down all the details. Clearly he didn’t. Either that or he just has a false perspective of the franchise’s lore.

The EFAP movies crew did a better job of taking notes lol

Nah he starts to panic and tries to get off, but fails. Same as the end of FD3

No he doesn't he just asks after they've already taken off I would've just gotten up and left or maybe punch a flight attendant to get off​@@azurehorizon4485

There's also like a solid minute of Alex shouting "The plane's going to explode!" loud enough for everyone on the plane to hear in the first film but Sam *only* notices Alex when he's already fighting with Carter and getting dragged out

@@carrot708 I’ve been on planes before they took off and I can say, from my own experience, you don’t really notice loud or aggressive passengers fighting until half way through, cause your mind is so tired and stressed it’s on autopilot (no pun intended).

I like this theory 👏

and his name is mortimer lmao

Fucking great! Love it 😂

That sounds amazing

Never thought of this. A whole new spin.. Death has an apprentice.. a trainee! That could make sense. Good one/job

this theory i respecc

That was my thought too

This movie either gave me my generalized anxiety disorder or just knows how to represent it really well, because I swear I can look at any innocuous situation and see like 40 ways it could somehow kill me.

Honestly your idea is way better than what the writers did LMAO

This! I honestly think the first movie could’ve done this somewhat effectively, if they just cut the epilogue off earlier. Show that the characters are still seeing the signs, but don’t show any of them dying, just cut to credits as they realize these signs again and start panicking, leaving it open ended if death is after them again, or if they just can’t feel safe again after what they’ve been through. These movies could do something so interesting with the concepts of PTSD and survivors guilt if they wanted to.

unless you metaphysically interpret the coroner being Death as the first death

@@SamGarciaTony Todd did play a character who was murdered so when you think about it you make sense

YES.

Death just has ADHD, and all the "rules" are just stuff that coincidentally seem to happen in past death lists, so Death just makes it a rule to seem cool and scary.

Oh that's so relatable 😔truly Death is just one of us My headcanon has always been that Death is just bored and fucking around. The rules don't make sense because he makes them up as he goes, like a kid on the playground lol. Like: "Oh your guy can shoot lasers from his eyes? Well my guy is immune to lasers, and also he can fly now!"

Yeah that's the impression I got by the end of it. We're just seeing Death trying to do his day job's to-do list

He just does it for fun and sometimes forgets his own rules “o shi I forgot that rule I made so I’m not too op” - death probably

Nah, Death is just an asshole that occasionally wants to have fun with people. He's Death, he'll get you sooner or later. Like, how many people just literally drop dead? Why would he need to Rube Goldberg it? To have fun with it. You manage to actually win and get away? Doesn't matter. He'll see you soon.

There is actual condition of such irrational fears and EOW fear/fear of death.

No wonder I always feel so weird and hyper-alert after watching one of the FD movies.

Yeah that’s pretty much me

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Ironically enough these films gave me existential anxiety as kid and I still suffer from today this video is the first time as an adult Ive actually returned to the series

Yeah and it is used in Europe to so he just comes off as ignorant

What he probably means is that European dentists don't use any sedatives for root canals, unlike American ones. Is it wild that y'all do this? Kind of. Is it really that bad? Not particularly, but using unnecessary drugs is both expensive at the national level and an inherent small risk for the patient.

@@rarecommunistpepe225 In the US, we don't use sedatives for things like root canals unless it's specifically requested. It's usually for people who have a lot of anxiety about the procedure so that the dentist can do their stuff with relative ease.

​​@@rarecommunistpepe225 bro local anesthesia is definitely used for root canals in the US and it's nowhere near being weird Root Canals would be some of the most painful procedures in ALL OF MEDICINE if not done with some form of anesthesia And I'm certain that Anesthesia is used in other developed countries

@@brandoncole5533 A local analgesic is normal of course, like lidocaine. I was talking about sedatives, the ones that make you say the most embarassing things in front of all the nurses, doctor and family. There's nothing notably bad about this, but parsimony is always a good thing to practice with drugs.

But that was defused by the end of the film when we see the cycle from the beginning.

I hope we get a sixth film.

@@anubusx already confirmed!

@@Lsd1021 Good to know Cheers.

​@dranixrush3306 No, it was explained that the guy who successfully stole somebody else's time just stole the wrong guy's time because the guy was probably gonna die of a heart attack soon. So, he did steal time, just not much.

My moms theory was that death is an office worker and has to entertain himself after doing this for so long and just does stuff to spice it up a bit. Yah I'll tell them theirs rules so they spin themselves up and human nature/morality will fight it out for my entertainment. Oh if I kill someone I'm safe, I'll kill the person who deserved it beause they didn't die in my visions (which didn't happen). If we kill the last person maybe this will stop. She also had a theory that death gave them the vision in the start because watching the ants scramble was a lot more fun than whatever plane crash #6 template he had bored him.

Imagine orchestrating an accident to tie up all the loose ends caused by the premonition of the first movie only to have it once again subverted by a premonition. Death must have been pissed that it happened a second time. By the third, he must be used to it.

Right. Seems like Death could use a nice vacation.

"Stop FIGHTING! The man upstairs wants you in heaven, and I gotta do my job! God DAMNIT humans are so stupid!" -Death, probably

@@Gabriel-ow7wythis honestly makes death sound like its Cthulhu’s son squashing ants and roasting them alive with a cosmic magnifying glass.

I'd actually love it if he was a petty bitch like that, lmao.

Might be akin to multiplayer dungeon master style games where the DM has some limiting resource with which to trigger hazards to try to kill the trespassers, so it can't just bombard a person with a meteor shower

@@baitposter Exactly. Same reason Death can't just stop their hearts or something.

Except the ways the survivors died were so wild. Also so unavoidable. Like 1 in a million odds of people dying that way.

@@tabathacarruthers5122 I did say it was like playing the Sims. You've never trapped one of them in the pool by deleting the only ladder out?

So find a baby, got it!

​@@erikjohnson7141 once again a unknowable variable.

@terrelldurocher3330 so lots of babies. You're sick but I like the way you think 🤔

That also explains why killing someone on deaths list doesn't buy you time

@@erikjohnson7141 Getting a baby is the most logical conclusion, but also *who the fuck would do this?* lol.

The deaths are pretty metal doe and also hilarious so I at least will allow the absurdity.

Rule of cool

Oh my gosh Mythbusters should do a Final Destination special if they didn't already.

@@FrenkTheJoy does anyone want to tell him?

@@FrenkTheJoy who's gonna tell him?

He also did include the graphic novels and books though. Which helps figure things out and also helps woth clarification on how things work and switch

It always remains funny to me in these stories that "the course of history" is relevant to the universe/fundamental concepts of reality. Like, they're just people 😂

@@stripedgillette3580 Important people and events don't exist in a vacuum, they interact with normal people like you and me. Six degrees of separation. There's a movie about this. A presidential candidate was supposed to die on his plane from a bomb, but because he shook one more person's hand than he was supposed to, it delayed him seconds long enough for the bomb to go off while he was being driven to the airport.

@@livingcorpse5664 Yeah and? Like, that's bad and all. But it's not something the concept of death itself should be concerned with. People die all the time. So what if an unusual event causes slightly more people to or to not die at a given moment?

@@stripedgillette3580 Sigh.

Pans out. THe inconsistent signs, the hints. Death is just an asshole

death is a troll ☠️

My personal theory/Headcannon is that death being immortal and all present gets bored, so when when someone actually cheats him he decides to get creative and have fun with it

I'm pretty sure that was the point that is made at the end of The Final Destination.

Yeah, death is random, Death is petty

Oh crap. Let me try to remember this shit. The curse had something to do with having more people then seat. Or some shit. But it was ended by killing the previously dead aunt/TA that was taking up the extra seat or something

There were 30 students in a class (that wasn't disbanded for some reason) that would be cursed because a student died decades ago and the class pretended that she never died so that cursed the class to have an extra desk (person who is dead) to occupy that seat This would cause the students to start dying in freak accidents (except the kid who had a heart attack) involving not only them but the people around them like their families and friends To stop this the students would have to basically "banish" the extra desk (person) by either killing or ignoring them (the opposite of how the curse started) Now the students' memories are altered slightly so that they can't remember who exactly is alive and who is dead so they can't identify the actual dead person to save themselves Eventually they figured out that the extra desk (dead person) doesn't need to be the one who is banished Someone just has to be banished (usually by shunning them) they just need to have the number of desks be lower than 31 So to save themselves they randomly choose a student to ignore so that the number of desks is offset meaning that there's only 30 desks now instead of 31 They may or may not shun the right person but it doesn't matter so long as they live Our protag doesn't know this immediately and comes in and fucks up the process and the deaths start again (SPOILER ALERT) APPARENTLY the "extra desk" wasn't even a student but was the protagonist's aunt who was a teacher there so she had her own "desk" taking up a space she didn't have or own in the teachers office She was murdered and thrown into the river and a student witnessed this and knew it But her memory was altered like the other BUT she had the ability to see dead people basically giving away who the dead person (extra desk) was Only problem was that she was chosen as the person to be shunned so that the extra desk would be negated and nobody would die So nobody would even acknowledge her until protag came along and fucked things up (Sorry for the long ass post)

Also, his hang up on Clear is easily explained as, its a seperate list. Not sure why death would make separate lists, but it works i guess.

​@@Cman04092She actually explained that because of the survivors in the first movie they cheated death TWICE. So Death was actually taking them out in the order they would have died the first time.

​@@Queen_Homuexactly, death is working off a different list than Kimberly is.

Personally, I just like to think that while there is a preferred order, death is still pretty opportunistic to where if a great opportunity comes along, he'll take it. Cause Kimberly's friends were kinda just sittin in a parked car on a dangerous road, so it was as easy as just nudging a truck over.

@@Cman04092 I feel like 'Death's List' only generates, so to speak, when the victims avoid a disaster, setting them aside to be taken care of separately. So the plane disaster generated its own list to be rectified, and the pileup generated a separate list.

Came to say exactly this! It's also made clear in the epilogue of movie one. Alex explains death skipped Clear because he intervened, but no one intervened for him. So he was still 'next'. Carter then saved him, saying "I knew you were next!". Alex says, "then it just skipped me". Carter: "So who's next?" Cue swinging death sign taking out Carter, as death has now returned to the beginning of the list.

Yeah I feel like he overcomplicated movie 2 and confused himself because he didn’t pay attention to that part

Yeah, WTH? The first movie explicitly showed Alex "saved" Clear by short circuiting the electricity, meaning he was still "on the list". Then months later, Carter saves him in Paris. Alex realizes that Death just skips the person who is saved and moves on to the next and says as much to Carter. So then Carter replies, "Okay, so who is next?" as the billboard swings in behind him, presumably ending his life. It's already established at the very end of the first movie EVERYTHING regarding death's rules for what happens in the second one, but the second one expands on the lore in a really compelling way. I actually think the second movie was the best of them as far as the story and lore and even deaths went except near the end where it just gets crazy with Clear's death. For example of the second movie expanding on the lore in a good way, the "you don't die till it's your turn" thing explains why Alex couldn't die when he short circuited the electricity and saved Clear in the first film. That was a rule then, too, but we didn't know it till the second movie and it explains why Alex didn't die. Also, the second movie specifically had people who had "cheated death" before in individual circumstances, like surviving cancer or suicide or whatever. But none of these were explicitly "accidental" deaths, which is what triggers Death to work backwards through them. This is even explained in the movie during a scene where they are recollecting previous run-ins with death, so I'm not sure why it is confusing. Also, Clear isn't "saved" from the kayak, it's evident that she's become super paranoid and hasn't been "saved" in a long time being the only person left from her death date that has yet to die. I just assumed she's under constant threat of being killed and knows it. I mean, she's hypervigilant about accidents the whole film, they even include showing her hovering her thumb over the emergency gas shutdown button at a gas station, so I thought it was obvious. I agree that the later movies lost the plot, but if you watched this video from beginning to end, it seems pretty clear that Death only "circles back" after he has went through the list, yet Jeffiot keeps trying to interject his original misunderstood interpretation of that phrase into meaning that the person who was just saved is always then second in line to be killed again. It's important to note, too, that the horror genre had become considerably stale around the time this movie came out. The only "popular" horror flicks were the revived "slasher genre" with the Scream movies. There wasn't a huge revival of psychological horror till the first Saw movie came out (and the creature feature genre had stalled till The Descent came out), so Final Destination was kind of the closet to something new and refreshing in the horror genre. I'm not excusing the later movies for being bad, but the first two were really unique films capturing that era.

This doesn’t explain how emo died and not wendy unless you theorise people who go to kill others are instead targeted. There’s also cowboy man out of order and the movie theatre people are an anomaly where they should probably have a list too.

@@danielhorsburgh874 Pretty sure in the movie they say that emo guy unintentionally interfered saving Wendy, but not letting her leave the event. She was last on the list, so it would go back to the start and kill emo again next.

The way I thought it was, was that death was super salty and wanted them all in that place to strike. Cause he wanted them all to know they were not in the clear.

@@mariawhite7337 I love the idea that death is a Salty rediter...... :P

YES! I was looking for this comment bc its like THE main rule and he totally missed it

Thank god someone said it, I was losing my mind.

It could be death was busy with another case elsewhere and just got back around to this partially cleared list 6 months later?

Yeah this kinda irked me, I always thought the design was very linear in that sense (someone survives, they basically now become last until death cycles through the rest and it just keeps going round and round until they're all dead).

Someone has a brain! Not the maker of the video though.

@@demonteprice5870 Yup, doesn't immediately cycle back, just skips them, tries on the next and THEN circles around once it reaches the end. And ofc Clear was on a separate list (now of one). She was a bonus kill at any time. Same with the kid, separate list. Presumably each multi-death "event" is a list. EDIT: Well, now onto "The Final Destination" (lol) and it DOES seem to now immediately stop and loop backwards (wat?) if he's got the order right. That's not how the last 3 films worked.. Surely Tampon Mom, not Racist man should have been next?

@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive I thought it was pretty straight forward really, lol.. It's just an ordered list, that starts back at #1 (alive person) when the end is reached? I dunno where he got all that "moving people around" from.. And then any other multi-death event (after the beginning one with the premonition) people are on a separate list with their own rotation, that gets "checked" whenever plausible for them to die.

my theory is that death doesnt have a design, and any attempt to avoid it by cheating fate is pointless anyway. kindof like pouring a bucket of water into the ocean.

that's really interesting. it's like some version of the observer effect. the knowledge of who dies next curses Wendy into causing the deaths.

Yes the coat rack fell over, but death caused the back door to close on the guy, and the girls locked the front door

They would have to die at some point, but I won't disagree that Wendy was partially responsible for some of the deaths

This is what I thought too. I also assumed that Death attempted each person on the list in order, and once he got to the end he went back to the first non-dead person and started again. I figured Alex's heart must have stopped when he saved Clear, but it restarted from another jolt or something (I don't understand electricity very well). Since Alex was last on the list, he went back to Carter, then tried Clear again off-screen, and successfully killed Alex. He then bided his time completing other lists while he waited for Clear to come out of the institution.

Right? I thought that was prety clear (lol) from the beginning

That’s exactly how it went clear was never on movie 2 list she was the last on her list

He's got a spreadsheet

Correct. Presumably, if Roy _had_ died as a result of his pre-existing medical condition, it wouldn't have necessitated taking out all those other bar patrons.

​@@DistractedGlobeGuy The bar patrons were likely on another (new) list. Death doesn't have 1 giant list for every life on Earth. Different people are placed on a list as a group. Then it goes after them in order of THAT list.

@@k9commander that would fly in the face of the fatalistic theme they seemed to be setting up by having the other two characters die on Volée 180 in the first place-because they decided to fuck with the natural order of the world, they not only got worse deaths for themselves, but also condemned the two-hundred-some other passengers and crew on that plane (including Alex and his party).

​@@k9commander I don’t think death really cares about killing unrelated bystanders, I don’t think every person has a specific day they are designated to die it's just that death has a particular interest in people who take advantage of the weird future visions to cheat death.

@@fugyfruit Punished for using forbidden knowledge. Some real "man was not meant to know the moment of his death" vibes because once you know you are *strongly* compelled to attempt and intervene or seek an escape. Not an especially common trope in fiction but it's around.

It also serves zero purpose mechanically besides making the engine compartment even more dangerous.

ya I'm pretty sure Clear only survived so long because she made any death They could give her "boring"

@@BryceCorbello HOnestly that might be it, I was sitting there like "Uh just poison her food, or you know, have the asylum she's in just blow up?" Death wasn't above a HUGE amount of collateral damage just to get one person in the series, so I wouldn't expect them to just wait for no reason.

5:55 all these questions are answered if you watch the movies. 1) no, 2) it can skip you but will always come back because of #1 3) the first 2 are good and they go down hill fast... a 1hour video done without even needing to watch it

I mean, Death must get pretty bored of it's job, makes sense that it would want to spice things up and get a bit creative with it, lol.

@@SuperLifestream"If you watch the movies". The video is an hour long bevause he's emulating watching the movies in order and coming to the conclusion after watching the movies. It's like reading the thesis for a essay about a book, and just saying "just read the book lul"

Yeah, I had a thought that death is playing a resource management type game on hard. He TRIES to keep a list and rules, but falling behind just ends up changing things around and getting who he can at any time

When I was little I'd always assumed that the coroner was just a normal guy and he only knew what he did because he noticed a weird pattern at his job having to transport the bodies of disaster survivors

@@themedia1271 honestly thats probably more likely, coroners have to do a lot of history checking and such and the guy seems like he's worked in the business for a WHILE so, surely he would've noticed something was up

@Hamza2_7272 yeah I legit just imagined him picking up a body and reading the name and going "Man it seems like a lot of survivors of massive tragedies and infrastructure failures are dying in increasingly gruesome and improbable ways. Also, why does our wiring suck so badly in this city?"

I have to say that, while I'm not of the crowd that finds it _funny,_ I AM of the crowd that considers it fucking _artistic,_ so. People who find FD funny 🤝 people who find FD terrifying That one scene where the tanning beds cut to coffins IS PEAK

bro first time I knew of FD was randomly switching channels until I found this scene plays out, it was just peak for me

that movie had a lot of afterlife / heaven / hell / demonic influences, it was a really nice touch to have the burning caskets

The last time I saw that scene the screaming was straight up dancing on my nerves and I want to fuck off (it's probably some form of auditory overstimulation that triggered my "AAAAAAAAAAA" response)

I'm pretty sure the overly-complicated death machinations was an inspiration from the early SAW movies

@@EbonyGerm Possibly yea, and making them more and more gory and painful.

That's a weird conclusion since Clear lived through the first movie.

@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDThey both did. We didn’t know he died until the sequel.

The elaborate deaths stem entirely from your first point. There's not really anything else to do, other than come up with silly rules for Death, and death scenes.

Why would you need that quote?

What are you planning?

So good.😂

@@sluggy1739are you an autist? It’s a saying. ?????

@@sluggy1739 You seen movies lately? So many movies to apply this quote to.

like a kid learning cryptography and realizing aa substitution cypher isnt the end all be all

My theory is a lot simpler, Death has a list and tries to keep to it but ultimately everyone has to die. And the more time your survive the more frustrated he gets

@@zeldaandTwinkAlex learns rot13 then discovers you can just rot13 again and dies in the gap to the next movie.

My personal hypothesis for the second movie is that, since they were supposed to die earlier (as he covers, because the others in the first movie didn't die when they were supposed to, it caused them not to die) so the reason the list is gone through backwards is that the current event is event #2 they survived, and they original were supposed to die in the order we see

The second movie establishes that the reason for the "reversed" order is because the Route 23 Pile-Up wasn't actually the first time those individuals were supposed to have died. Every one of them had previously escaped a narrow brush with Death due to Alex and his party's actions after the Flight 180 Explosion-actions that weren't supposed to have happened because Alex and his party were supposed to have been dead by then. This point is further reinforced with the ending of FD5, where we see Death using a later mass casualty event as an opportunity to clean up the remaining loose ends from a "previous game". Essentially, unless another prequel comes out, everything between the gymnastics meet in 2001 to the county fair in 2008 is the result of the paper factory workers escaping the bridge collapse.

Then when he wakes up the cat is chilling in the corner

Nice catch!

So technically she wasn't on death's list

If that's true, it may be the most clever thing to happen in the entirety of FD4....

​​@@user-ej4rt1of9k no she was still on it because both tires were gonna land where they were regardless Nadia (cool girl) just so happened to be unlucky enough to stand in the exact place that the other tire was gonna fall whether she was standing there or not She was on death's list for about a minute and 30 before death saw the chance and took it

Tbf that or just increasingly more obvious ways. Bring back the magic water from tods death and just have like an exposed wire float towards someone when they aren't looking or just a chair float up and swing into them. Give me a death that is done with their shenanigans instead of acting like it'll get arrested for the kills.

@@renomiz2373 They actually weren't sure if The Final Destination would be a comedy or horror. They could always still do the comedy route, I'd watch.

I initially misinterpreted this as Death USING psychic powers to kill people, so now I have the image of the Grim Reaper going around yelling "FUCK YOU, PSYCHIC ATTACK" a la Fandub Black Doom LMAO

I mean, if the only thing they predict is that they are going to die soon and what happens, then you can't know someone's a psychic until after their natural time to die has come and they avoid it. Also death presumably doesn't want to kill people before their time is up.

​@@SirCleric😆 Honestly, one of my favorite interpretations of "The Devil"

That's my thought. Like, if we assume that he is either death himself or in cahoots with death, why would he actually tell the people how to get off the list. I think it's way more likely A) there is an actual way to get off the list, which death is trying to keep secret by telling different people differen red herings, or B) he's literally just fucking with them for his own amusement

That would also explain why the visions ans signs are allowed in the first place. Like, death gives some rando the chance to take a few of randos out, so that the game's on! Then death also gives them sings like "haha, this is how the next one goes now so... What you gonna do about it???". Also clearly then takes the form of a guy that appears to the randos to give them some pretty ill advice on how to "finally cheat death". Wich makes sense too, I mean, you need to keep the randos motivated to live so you let them think there's an out. You first let them think they're special because you're specificly going after them, then let them think there's hope.

Didn’t expect a factfiend reference that made me smile a bit

This is so true, I understand when going for reboots or alternate reality, but if it's in the same continuity then it's to much.

Fast & The Furious came to mind

@@whichhunter7087 same here I was just thinking about that to when seeing this comment

Wasn't that what Gene Siskel said about _Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter?_

Sure, but that's a list with just her name on it

⁠Exactly, she’s in an unending loop on the Flight 180 Death list, until she actually dies. I never understood Jeffiot theorising when you could also say that ‘it’s a separate list.’

Or he's feeding them false information so that their efforts to save themselves will end up inadvertently setting up future mass-casualty events, like the bridge collapse survivors ending up on Volée 180, this dooming the other 200 passengers and crew-minus Alex and his party, who then set up the events that lead to the Route 23 Pile-Up-whose survivors end up causing the hospital explosion _and_ the disaster at the potato farm-which one can only assume somehow leads to the Devil's Flight breakdown.

i like that thought. if the coroner is death, it's good logic and a fun story. for myself, i used to get caught up in trying to solve the puzzle of how the rules and lore all fit together, but then it occurred to me that the one thing consistent is that nobody survives. the lesson every cast really never learns is that you can't cheat death, death is inevitable.

See this is what we need in a new sequel. Have Clear Rivers actually be Death and play him more like a traditional villain.

@@rynemcgriffin1752 are you confusing Clear with Bludworth? Clear is the "art hoe" from the first movie that ends up in the asylum; Bludworth is the coroner and mortician.

Bars.

In my opinion, the thesis of the first movie is that there's a personification of death (or "list" of death), which is an idea that frightens people. It's a horror movie, it's supposed to be frightening! All the deaths in all the movies are completely chaotic. You can absolutely choke to death on noodles. It wouldn't make a good horror movie if the deaths are mundane and unrelated.

@@mickanderson3547 Death is absolutely a force with agency in the universe of the movies. It's just not statistically feasible for so many people within such a small and specific sample of the population to have ironic or outright reality-bending deaths.

I think that was the original intention cause if you watch the alternate ending it’s a bittersweet ending where Alex did die and Clair had Alex’s baby and Carter and Clair meet up and you can see the wind implying they still will die just like everyone will one day

Sometimes Death is just a goofy goober who taunts people instead of doing its job.

Death's Cleanup is more or less you survived Deaths Plan as the consequences of Deaths Shitlist. You were supposed to die at another time but you survived because someone else who survived a different plan died.

It only skips if it fails. It tries in the same order. The problem for characters is that death comes randomly. It could take minute or years for death to try again. I don't think death allows one to auto-delete either. Yikes.

​@@TheTillmanSneakerReviewyeah in one of the movies, (I believe the first) a guy takes a cops gun trying to off himself but all the shots don't fire. When the cops takes his gun back he checks the cylinder and all shots are still there waiting to be fired. So when its your turn only death can kill you it seems.

He doesn't care about the order. He finds amusement in watching them flounder trying to figure out a nonexistent logic in his designs, so he just drops some cryptic hints about some underlying rules that he makes up on the spot just to make them trip over each other, then kills them off in ways he finds hilarious.

The fact that Bludworth himself doesn't always know the plan would seem to throw a wrench in that idea. I'm betting that in the original _X-Files_ script, he was probably supposed to be a secondary protagonist, trying desperately to help Agt Mulder get a step ahead and being disregarded or even treated with criminal suspicion by Dr Scully-similar to the role Alex ended up taking in the finished film.

@@DistractedGlobeGuy Why would that change anything? My whole theory is that he's LYING. There is no plan, that's why the rules don't always seem consistent. Sometimes he plays dumb or something. (I admit, I've only seen the first three and that was over a decade ago so I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but unless Death kills him or something else definitive "he's lying" covers a lot of sins.)

My version is that but with it actually being death. Like, death has powers and is supernatural, but is also just really petty about people they tried to kill surviving.

Mine was always Death just gets bored. So he gives visions to certain people as a way to play a game. The morgue guy is just the only one who ever beat death, and I suspect he's aware he's only delayed the inevitable. I mean he knows all the rules, some of which are cryptic and some he tells at different times. As if he's done all of them himself.

@@Radb707 well now I just want to see a '90s remake of _The Seventh Seal_ starring Tony Todd.

I don't

​@@Patrick.Bateman666 booooooo🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

yeah it's like watching a Swedish Half Nelson. That might also be a wrestling move or a bedroom move I'm not sure

Millennial Bruce Willis. I also dig it.

My preferred interpretation is that Death really likes giving grand speeches about the rules, and is really into the idea about being the chessmaster and everyone else being pawns in his game, but then he just sucks at actually enforcing them. Like as he comes up with the rules all he's thinking about is what a devious genius he is, but when it comes time to actually carry out his design he's kicking himself the whole time for making it so complicated.

Short games within the long game?

2's loose ends were created by Death's previous attempts at tying up loose ends so they're kind of different, but still doesn't justify the reverse order, they were still just skipped from their original order.

Death's like a bridezilla basically. He has a plan, he REALLY wants his perfect plan to happen for his perfect day and actively tells everyone HEY YOU LISTEN, YOU SEE THOSE SIGNS? THIS IS MY DAY. THIS IS HOW WE DOING THIS mmmk??? And if someone messes with like a sudden act of god (heh, no pun intended), or an ex coming in to interrupt the wedding, or if a shipment of flowers is delayed or it's too windy and his dress keeps flying, he will NOT be happy about it, he will make it VERY VERY clear that he's not happy about it, and if you step out of line too much, you WILL be kicked out of the wedding and reception prematurely, with no takebacksies on the gift registry, and he'll deal with you later for trying to mess his wedding day... and you WILL most likely get an earful more than any other... but death still has his bridezilla wedding day to go to, he still has to get married and go through the day and original plan itself and make sure that all the other things happening, like the priest and the musical band and the food caterers etc all do their shit properly on time, or else he has to adapt and improvise there as well... The show must go on,,, for now, but bridezilla aint gonna be done with you for trying to mess with her day, one day or another, she'll remember that moment and go and confront you with a grudge about it. And as for "why did the people in the last movie get impaled and didnt have just normal deaths like the first movie in their original deaths?" well, my good sir, the answer is simple: You mess with bridezilla once or twice, and you'll start of with the "no, that's now what i wanted", but if things keep messing up with bridezilla's day, she's gonna start having the side eyes at you, or get frustrated and ask for someone else to "just deal with it, i have other shit to do, this is MY day"... what might have been a slap on the wrist before or she let slide for a bit suddenly becomes more forefront on her mind... so if after multiple movies and dozens of people messing with his big day, bridezilla death is just NOT having it and is so beyond infuriated that if she finds out that someone ordered indigo flowers instead of lilac colored flowers, she will probably go full berserk and tear you up a new one and shred you to pieces for just being the straw the broke the camel's back, even though your "sin" or "interference" was probably mild compared to others, but read the room dude, bridezilla death is 1 pimple away from just molotoving the entire champagne fountain and setting the whole place on fire and to hell with it all, literally.

Doesn't Mr. Emo just fall under the "checking back in after every death" theory?

Yes Mr. emo saved ALL three of them on a technicality. The fireworks stand they would've passed would have killed ALL OF them. I mean if you think about it on a deeper level 3 via explosion and 1 via a misfired bottle rocket. DEATH WAS PISSED ergo he calmed down to lower their defense, biding his time to kill them all in that one final swoop.

@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD not necessarily, because remember the lost was emo guy then girl but guy was saved, the friend was next when emo girl was killed. But if you look at the list even if death would've circled back to emo guy, the fireworks stand (if he said nothing to stop them) would've been an elaborate way to kill his main target, the friend then sister then m.c.. then circled back to emo guy. So death got pissed he couldn't kill them like he planned and killed emo guy the interloper.

​@@jackmendecino8255could it make sense that he accidentally saved everyone else on the list and caused it to go back to him?

​@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD that's exactly what happened, just like Carter saving Alex from the Miro81 sign in Paris.

Yeah, I'm confused on why he's confused. Also, where does he get the idea that her friends die after her. I assume they would all die at the same time, since they are in the same vehicle.

Maybe death just likes to have a little fun

@@wiseforcommonsense If he has a whole list I doubt he's doing it out of fun

@@zephyrprime8 I mean, he is going to everyone eventually, why not do some crazy things along the way 🤷‍♀️

It's death's bratty younger sibling

But why not just always give them premonitions every single time so they always know what to avoid

Clear says in the second movie they went back and forth saving eachother multiple times until Alex was killed by a falling brick