I Went to a Salon for my 4C Hair and This Is What Happened 

Yeap I refuse to go to them. I tried sooo many. Never again.

Ever since I went natural 4 years ago, I've never let anyone wash my hair lol, I take my time detangling it. I'm not gonna let anyone ruin my crown

@@gee7846please stick to this. Don't make the mistake I made. They pulled my hair from the roots, next thing you know bald spots. I had dense hair prior. You couldn't see my scalp but now am regrowing my hair. Never again. They don't have the patience and some of the damage is permanent unfortunately.

Question… do most of you use a hair dryer/ diffuser following your wash and go style? Or do you let your hair air dry?

For me, I showed my stylist a style that allowed for her to taper it, but the style straight. She flat ironed it and it was nice. However, it didn’t translate well as naturals. It was super shorter than I preferred. I wore braids went back for color and she started cutting some ends. My straight hair again, but my fault I wasn’t clear on what part I wanted cut was just the nape area and a lining. I say that to say we must be clear with communication and speak up when we know something is going against the results we want. I had three months of growth and now back to square one based on my lack of communication.

Thank you for watching Shelly and thanks for your input!

@@shelly.v.247 actually sorry one more question lol: I think your hair started to change colors. Was it in the summer or just dryness? I think it’s back to being black now right?

@@JennJacksonI’ve been wondering the same thing about her hair changing colors.

Omg girl where in Texas?? Is it DFW?

Wow so glad you found this gem!

Oh wowww that’s awesome! Do you mind sharing what part of Texas?

I need to know where this place is bc down south the prices for natural hair is so much!

Well this is a lie

That's interesting

Same! The chemicals and the sun were lightening my hair.

Same! Except mine went from a lighter brown to what seems black but I'm sure it's a darker brown lol.

Yes, being under the sun can slightly lighten the hair, particularly the ends. But so too can chronic dehydration and damage, even more significantly actually . When i was permed (chemically damaged) my hair was 1b/2, and nearly orange and the ends. Same thing happened doing the method, in addition to my hair feeling coarser. My hair is fine and naturally jet black.

@@ChiannaNycole I'm trying to find the no in your statement. Chronic dehydration can be from multiple different factors. Most people forget that the minerals that are used to treat water for home use, can build up on our hair as well. Highly textured hair is always susceptible to damage. It is something that we can't control. A split end can be the result of multiple things. I think the more we remember that the main hair that's at the scalp, is more important than anything. It is connected to the blood vessels that feed it naturally.

I was going to answer but noticed your user name. You claim you don't have the time, yet come and defend this method under EVERY video I post. If it works for you, great. But consider that this may not work for EVERYONE - and that's okay too.

@@JennJackson hey my love! My comment this time, wasn't centered around the method. It was simply to shed light on what naturally happens, whether you do the method or not! Which is why I mentioned my mom, and her experiencing the same thing as you, and she's team butters and oils all day! I never mean to be disrespectful to you, especially as someone who's helped me with my hair in a couple of ways! However, I do take accountability for certain comments that weren't clear, and came off very rudely! So to that, I apologize! I really do push to have the full spectrum of things to be discussed, and I genuinely don't mean to make anyone uncomfortable, about my views!

@@JennJackson hmm... You too. So its not just me 🍵 😶‍🌫️

This is where I think we should draw the line with some stylist. We just don't need that many products, sorry. We have hair this curly, SPECIFICALLY to deal with the sun. It's literally curly for that specific reason. Million of people with 4C hair go about their day, growing inches, under the brightest sun. There are tons of toxic chemicals in the majority of hair products. This probably outweighs any tiny benefits we might get from this practice. Just my 2cents.

Yeah idk.. I feel I have lived on this earth for 34 years and never had this happen from the sun but... maybe there is some validity to it.

Had locs for many years. The bottom of my hair turned BROWN! definitely from age/the sun. Sun causes our hair to turn colors just as it does for others ( that’s also where the term beach blonde comes from- people would get natural highlights from the sun damage)

@@JennJackson this is like “black people don’t need sunscreen” lite lol. Jokes aside, change occurs over time. That time frame can be shorter or longer. I’m sure you’ve tried things that worked for you (not just related to hair) one second and failed you the next, seemingly out of the blue.

No I need to see what you are doing at EVERY STEP! lol

Thank you 😊

@Clau-chauNicolI use oils and butters, but shampoo properly, weekly is my preferred routine. I only add those on wash day. My hair is fine and I believe stylist really don’t play with the oils and butter because they wouldn’t for sure be helpful to them. The style may not look great when they are done, but for that at home haircare people are okay. I do twist outs and add leave in, foam or pudding, and a bit of butter because I don’t like hard hair. When I go to stylists for any reason they always say my hair is healthy and fine.

Curly chemistry and Karen of Curl House channels 🎉 Pamela Ferrell interview on Curly Hair Crisis channel

I honestly think that all 3 disciplines need to work together in tandem for a holistic and comprehensive approach to haircare. Methods will never be the answer because one method will never work for everyone or every situation. The issue that I come across is that the cosmetologists are very experienced with handling and styling hair, as well as, observing client hair experiences over a extended period of time. but they lack the full scope of knowledge of products and how they affect hair and scalp on a deeper level. Cosmetic chemists are very well versed in the knowledge of products, particularly ingredients and their contribution or detriment to the health or condition of hair. The issue is that they are hung up and stuck on book knowledge. The problem with book knowledge is that it's a limited understanding of our hair. It teaches hair from the lens of our hair being less than or interior as opposed to being different. Cosmetic chemists are also lacking in that they don't work closely with various hair textures regularly. They aren't able to fully bridge the gap between the efficacy of products and the experience of the consumers the way stylists would. The science regarding our hair is still lacking in full understanding because they have only on recent years taken more of an interest in studying our hair. Remember that there are still cosmetic chemists that formulate products like relaxers and formaldehyde chemical straighteners. The products work exceptionally well but at the detriment of the consumers overall experience of health. With trichologists, they are more specialized to better understand hair and scalp disorders. They see how certain products or ingredients can contribute to issues with hair and scalp but again they tend to be rigid with the book knowledge as their sole understanding of our hair. Science still can't explain or cure many of the issues that we experience like CCCA. With black hair, we have always had a more intimate understanding because we have lived and experienced it before science could tell us anything about it. All disciplines have pieces to the puzzle that is figuring out the unexplained with our hair. But we need to pool our experiences and respective specialties of knowledge to answer these types of questions.

Love this answer because the science doesn't always include US. I had a chat with a cosmetic chemist who confirmed up to 10 years ago (at least), they were not testing ingredients/products on REAL afro hair (they would use the mannequin)

@@AfrikanHairGod Well said.

Agreed

Glad it is working for you but just a word of caution - pay attention to your hair overtime because we all started out feeling exactly that way. I loved my results for the first year, the second wasn't as great but okay (then again I did have a baby) and then now it feels like my hair isn't retaining much hydration well which is why I am reverting back.

Oh that's interesting that you are still doing wash and go with different products and doing better. Glad you found a solution. I feel the same way where this method CAN work but needs to be modified depending on your hair needs but I feel since it was sold as one-for-all thing, its hard to admit this and make improvements

I agree with the damage being progressing and it creeps up at an even slower past if you continue to incorporate butters (formulated). At least that's been my case

@JennJackson butters were never my thing, but i was an avid olive oil user. I will say since taking out the olive oil my wash and go's have been better. I'm going to see if I retain length or if I should just bring it back. Leave ins are for sure a must tho

@@katirisherman9169 just keep paying attention and adjust as needed! I am sure you will be fine

Thanks for watching!

Same!

hi. friendly suggestion here. have you ever thought about going to a barber?

@@jhssmith2004 yes! I have a friend that’s a barber. However, i don’t want anyone cutting my hair and I get disappointed.

​@@jhssmith2004They give even shaping. I remember getting the perfectly rounded afro, stipulting ot to cut no more than 1/4" and they listened!!!

😂 how many times I heard those words in this method

LOL stoppppp

Will you share that aloe brand?

I did but my issue is that it doesn't last. These wash and goes would last 4-5 days before feeling like I need to hydrate and now it get dry by day 2 so my hair hasn't been retaining moisture well over time (its been three years of me doing this method by the way).. This is the main issue I have noticed over time and I appreciate you asking first because people to tussle with me when they have never touched my hair lol

Thank you for watching!

ah... I would proceed with caution ⛔️. They can be pretty drying and have a learning curve 🫣

@@JennJackson I think that when you use gels you have to break the gel cast using the oil, do you think thats whey they are drying?

Ooh no.. you missed the memo? Innersense hairbath is making some people’s hair fall out. Read reviews.

@ayemad maybe it has a little lye in it?

I was wondering the same. She shampooed her hair twice with a mild clarifying shampoo, didn't deep condition, and then slapped on gels and foams all before placing her under a hooded dryer and then diffusing. Is it any wonder people's hair is dry and breakin off? I can't believe people actually paid money for this.

No she did not

Well I don't think there is just ONE cause. Curly Cuts will eventually just leave you with uneven ends (and some thinning as many as mentioned from their experiences) but that may not bother you if you always wear your hair curly. No oils/Butters is more of a matter of hydration and compromised cuticles (split ends/dryness/change in color) etc. The real questions you should be asking yourself is are you happy with the state of your hair? Is it retaining moisture? is it behaving the way that you expect it to? Are you happy with your routine? Part of the reason many are "successful" with this method *I believe* is because it gives them a streamline predictable routine and less to do with the actual health of their strands.

Well what if one doesn't want to flat iron their hair? The argument from the stylists is that... they allegedly can although it's been proven otherwise. idk

I NEVER wear my hair in its natural state so that’s why I told my stylist to trim it accordingly. We decided on an annual flat iron to properly trim. In between it is what it is.

@@JessicaSmith-ie7cm out of curiosity, why don’t you “ever” wear your hair in its natural state?

It's a base gel - not a topper. Love the moisturizing shampoo. The products were developed by at naturopathic doctor and certified Trichologist so I find that they are "richer" than most of the other promoted brands. The gelly is aloe based and typically keeps my hair hydrated (better than UFD) although this time it didn't but I think the topper gels has more to do with that.

@@JennJacksonThank u and I did mean base gel 😊 I just tried both products and I love it. Oh, it was probably that I create definition topper affecting the softness. That foam will make your hair hard as a brick 🥴

Some said it’s the sun but others said it’s just plain dryness. So I am not sure the root cause but what I do know is I used a few butters on my last wash day and my hair looks marginally darker 🤷🏾‍♀️. I don’t think the issue is fixed though, more masked.

I did last October and had a "light" blowout just a week before this. I may another just to the culture one last time before I move on from this method for good lol (not a huge fan of heat)

I used to be the same way as well

😅😅😅

I say be direct and communicate with your stylist. Let her know that you respect and value her service and skills as a stylists but you are disappointed with how she handles appointments. Let her know that you are respectful of her time but feel that at times it's not reciprocated. There might be something going on with her or the business that you aren't privy to. Regardless, you should always be honest and direct with your service provider when you are not happy otherwise your relationship will continue to fall apart. If she values your patronage, she will make an effort to accommodate your concerns. If not, it may be time to find someone else that will.

I completely agree with AHG. Part of the service for me is respecting my time and appointments. You can be a great stylist but poor organization and lack of professionalism quickly gets old. Communicate it with your stylist and see if that makes a difference. If it doesn’t improve, I would start shopping around and find someone else.

Thanks for sharing

Always!

Well that is the basis of this method. Wash, condition and style (no leave-ins necessary). So I wouldn't say it's "her" but the method itself.

@@JennJacksoninteresting. I won’t allow not using a leave in. I know my hair, it thrives and remains much softer when leave in are applied.

@@JennJackson Understood. Thank you for your response.

@@0909Yellowsame, my hair would be completely unmanageable without at least a bit of leave-in after washing my hair

I am Haitian - good guess!

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Yeah the drama just keeps on coming! Someone told me that I create Definition is super drying and I didn't even know that smh

@@JennJackson I had a client that I think was experiencing hair loss from their shampoos and/or gels. Someone just confirmed my theory on here saying she experienced changes in her hair and some excessive shedding as well. Just pay attention to your hair. Too many people are experiencing issues for it to just be allergy related in my opinion.

I love Pattern products. Use the moisturizing shampoo, conditioner, leave in, detangler and blow dryer. I skip the styling products and go to regular old Cantu curl activator crème or Aphogee Curlific. Also use that amazing Cecred moisturizing styling lotion. My hair has never been so soft, juicy and shiny as when I began this routine so I just stay out the rest of that mess. I tried gels and mousses on my fine 4C hair and it was just too much product for definition that really only pops hard for a day. I’m fine with a less-defined Afro long as it looks Lucious and hydrated and feels good to the touch. If I really need to mousse it up for a twist out, The Doux Crazy Sexy Curl is my go to, but my scalp will be itching b/c she don’t like nobody!

@@brighteyed17The Doux is awesome as well! I also love Camille Rose!

Yes I agree, I noticed alot of ppl complaining about curly cuts coz they want to wear their hair straight sometimes. Then obviously that method is not for them.

Tell me more... It was my first time experiencing it and yes my hair was indeed dry lol

@@JennJackson No matter what I use under it, the result is dry. Nothing can make that product work. It is trash!

@@JennJacksonit cannot be used alone it’s too drying. I used it with a leave in under it and mousse def . Even my stylist said that!