I Will Never Watercool Again - Water Cooling Maintenance Guide 

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I think the water cooling computer industry could learn a couple of things from a vehicle cooling systems. For example, the radiator hoses on a vehicle are actually conductive. Yes, the rubber is impregnated with carbon or bits of metal. This is extremely important. Otherwise, a corrosive reaction will happen between the engine block and the radiator, kind of like a battery. Also, has anyone tried putting like 10% antifreeze in the system?

that garbage ek foam also dissolved on me don't feel bad... everybody buys ek once

I believe the first note is more so just letting people know if they decide to do this for personal use, and the second one was the only actual correction. Although they still should've edited it in instead, or just re-do the sponsor segment because those would be very easy compared to the video it's self.

@@pixelpirte15The Brasso point isn't really a correction, just another helpful tip- they didn't say anything about jewelry in the video about water cooling. Toothbrush companies have ad money to spend, may as well take it. What planet (or economy) are you on? The one where people only advertise things you like?

whoever is running this channel definitely wants this to happen

Some people want to drive a prius the speed limit til the wheels fall off, some people want to tinker on a turbocharged hotrod every weekend that might tear its own wheels off. To each their own i suppose.

@@GrimReaping what about an air cooled 993 turbo s?

You must be young 😂

If you do it right you won't have any of the problems in this video. Also unwise to do the things in this vid that will CAUSE problems: don't put acid in your rads unless you're prepared to test the pH before hooking them back up to a loop. Ignore the iodine as biocide as well: use a reliable premixed coolant like DP Ultra, Koolance 702 or Mayhems X1 and you'll have biocide and corrosion inhibitor included.

Inspired by their time's meeting fans at LTX lol

yeah it's just a looong ad for the TB :D

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WAN show said they wanted to do a water-cooling cleaning episode for ages, they just didn't have an angle to stop it being boring... clearly, vibrating toothbrushes are that angle

Yeah... 16° holy moly with an accuracy of 0.1°. can someone remind me how this one is better than the one just vibrates?

This. I like AIO 360 GPUs, because of low noise, but otherwise, fuck that.

Yeah a loop doesn't look like that unless you fill it with crap coolant ( which they probably did in this case ) or if you never drain it, which takes like 5-10 minutes and another 5 minutes to fill it. Obviously staged for this purpose but yeah, you believe what you believe. Watercooling is very cool and fun to work with, it's never necessary though, unless you have the latest Intel high end CPU I guess. But just like a car with tons of moving parts, it requires some maintenance.

This isn't how it goes unless you put literal mineral water with bacteria in it in the system. You use proper coolant mixtures with fresh distilled water, and this NEVER happens. Especially if you drain it once a year and refill it. Which takes 5 minutes and no cleaning required. The coolant mixtures have cleaning detergents, seal conditioners and lubricity agents to prevent wear and tear. Get a decent mixture, since I live in Florida I use 30/70 coolant/water mixtures since 30% coolant is the optimal ratio for perfect dispersion and suspension of the coolant detergent and additives, without causing a change in viscosity and reducing waters heating coefficient. The inherent issue with air cooling is that there will always be one side cooler and one side hotter. This molecular difference causes the metal to bend and distort. No matter what you choose you will have maintenance. With air coolers that maintenance is removal of the cooling block to clean the fins, checking and straightening any bent fins from the process, then carefully reseating it. When the cooler block begins to warp, you need to get a new one. Anything but the Noctua cooling blocks usually warp in a year. Noctua 3 years roughly. But they all warp even Noctua. For liquid cooling if you properly build the set up or even just use an AIO, that process is, drain fluid from storage tank and cooling block, using fresh distilled water refill it and run a short cycle (only if you REALLY are scared it's not clean inside already from improper mixture use in the past, but if using proper mixture this is not always nessisity especially if using the se mix in brand and quantity) then drain it again, and then refill with your proper solution. This process takes anywhere from 5 to 15 mins. The air cooler can take a few hours depending on the size of the block and the damage to the fins during removal and cleaning. What they did here in this video is what using mineral tap water does to your system. Use fresh distilled water with the mix to make your solutions you put in the tank. I've done this for 8 years and I've never had to do what these guys have and I've been maintaining my customers PCs that I built for anywhere from 1 to 8 years depending on customer. This doesn't really happen in proper builds.

I love my custom water cooled computer. It was fun to build, looks cool, and it's quiet as the fans barely run. As a result of the low fan use, it stays clean as it's not pulling in dust. I use all Corsair products and although they say to change out the coolant every year, I waited two before doing it last time.

@@bp3d106 Yeah I just use an AIO cooler (Kraken whatever a while ago, Cooler Master ML240 now) and I've never had to do ANYTHING over the like 7 year total I've had them. I used the Kraken whatever-it-was for 5 years before switching, and I only did so because I was essentially building a whole new PC minus the graphics card and I wanted to go for a mostly white build. Never drained the liquid or did anything special to clean it, just dusted it like I do with every other part. Never had any issues. Very quiet and the temps are perfect!

No, it's breakdancing

Is it dusty?

@@Basil_leftNah dude, it‘s solving the Birch and Swinnerton-Dyer conjecture.

Disassembly, repaste, reassembly. Done.

@@Basil_left maybe it knows what its doing

Just get Sonicare. Wouldn't trust my teeth to an Iphone 3gs looking brush

Yeah, I legit use a toothbrush for that sort of cleaning, lol. And it is a good point that you could have an extra head for cleaning crap and clean ones for your teeth, lol

This was a terrible ad. I got tired hearing about this toothbrush from 20 different channels and this was a whole video about that.

@@ligametis ...sounds more like a "you spending too much time on youtube" issue. Not with the format of the ad itself.

@@Nukezone100 that is the point. I can't spend a lot of time on RU-vid and I do not wish to waste it on useless product ads. Have 10s-1min ad that is easy to skip or ignore. Also advertise something useful like some better alternative to their ltt screwdriver.

Air cooler and a kryosheet. Just pull out the fan and blow the cooler without ever dismounting it.

Me too. Never bothered with water cooling even when I overclocked the system.

Its not that big of a problem actually, if you think about a few things before... Use Tubing that doesnt leak softener, ABSOLUTELY DONT USE FLUID WITH PARTICLES, add stuff to prevent biostuff growing. When i first watercooled i had those clear hoses. They massively lost softener and gunked everything up. I switched to norprene tubing and only used distilled water with inhibitor and the stuff is clean as on day one after many years now...

AIOs practically have 0 maintenance as well. You just have to replace them here and there.

Ek coolant is just not reliable. In some loops it works, in others it fails pretty fast. DP Ultra just works and costs the same.

@@thatsl1ve183 Yeah not sure, always worked for me.

@@thatsl1ve183 Always depends on materials used in the loop. I use DP Ultra too, after almost 2 years still no sign of any residue or whatever in my clear coolers or the reservoir. Before that I had Innovatek Protect, which after about 3 years did clog up my CPU block which was my reason to clean and rebuild the loop.

@@thatsl1ve183 just dont mix different alloys in your loop! my loop contains only of copper alloys. and i clear my loops every 1 to 2.5 years. until now i still have a crystal clear loop since 2013

@@thatsl1ve183anecdotal but my same EK loop lasted for a decade. Also there was a 4-5 year period where I didn’t drain the loop either.

god I'd love him to be here

He'd be like your moms toothbrush was used for cleaning 😂

I SAID DONT IN ANOTHER REPLYBON A DIFFERENT COMMENT

Read that last bit in his voice.

That vibrating toothbrush will go well with his tiny raccoon-like fingers.

You can get it for free with oranges and lemons....

​@@White_Night_Demon if you have free lemons, I suppose? a packet of citric acid costs about the same a half a lemon and has the acid content of a hundred lemons

@@LTrintukas oh really?

@@White_Night_Demon and you don't have the sugar that can gunk-out stuff

@@braytag You mean the oils?

I also notice his large chesticles.

All that time he could be gaming he wasted on looking good... who would want something like that.😂

I think it's years of those huge Steadicam type rigs they use at LMG.

Based on his neck and arms, those are just moobs.

That's just fat bro. It looks like he used to be a little jacked and put weight back on

Shiling ? Debatable, but I'm sure as heck to some of us this is legit use case.

@@Stratos1988Might sound odd, but I keep old electric toothbrush heads for use with cleaning small areas, grouting etc

Cheap ultrasonic toothbrushes are actually really useful for cleaning in small tight spaces they're like small handheld ultrasonic cleaners

Eh, I'd accept this kind of shilling. Once you use an electric toothbrush to clean tight spaces, there's no going back.

@@Stratos1988 That's what I meant. Using an electric toothbrush for cleaning water loop parts isn't crazy, using it as a sponsorship however (considering that's not actually what they are made for) takes some balls.

bruh

Came here to write the same. What a different style. Loved it!

You mean an extended Commercial?

@@sunday87 I know right, it's simple and probably not that substantial but this shows you they know a thing or two when it comes to videography.

No. It's the longest sponsorship for a video that the item being showcased isn't traditional tech, hell they have hour long sponsored livestreams sponsored by the likes of BIG TECH and because the item being showcased is a tv or a pc peripheral you dont bat an eyelid.

overpriced electric toothbrush, my £12 braun has a 4 week battery life and does the same job , all these special priced toothburhses are gimmicks

​@@girlsdrinkfeckworse than gimmicks tbh... Selling points such as stronger than competition are kinda shady and potentially harmful.. There's a reason "the competition" don't want to use the strongest vibration on your teeth. If they wanted to they could just sell a dremel as a toothbrush and it would be "the strongest" but there's an obvious reason why you don't want that

@@eTzTheGamer some people like to justify their existence with fancy products. Each to their own. I even buy the cheapest tooth paste 60 cents a tube. Does same job as 20 dollar paste. Only active ingredient is sodium fluoride.

Yeah I run Mayhem X1 Eco Clear (vegetable based so you can just pour it down the sink) and I just cleaned my loop after 18 months just to re-paste my CPU block. Zero gunk, no particles in the block fins, no living organisms coming out. You need to use the right coolant, and tubing that doesn't contain plasticizer. I use food-grade santoprene tubing meant for restaurant beverage lines. Stay away from any cooling with colors (pigment will drop out and settle in/stain your blocks), get the right tubing like santoprene or ZMT, and make sure you do a good initial radiator flush to get the manufacturing gunk out. If you do it right you're golden with very minimal maintenance.

On a vehicle the radiator hoses are electrically conductive. Take an ohmmeter and test it yourself. That is to stop the engine block and the radiator oxidizing like a battery. That's probably why all the corrosion.

@@SoundsLegit71 No, it's the additives in your antifreeze/coolant that prevent that. "It is very important that antifreeze or engine coolant is changed every 2 -3 years (4 - 5 years for vehicles with long life coolants) to replenish the additives that protect the cooling system from rust, corrosion, pitting, electrolysis, to gelling and foaming."

For really low maintenance, car coolant can work (I use the Prestone Corguard "all-makes" stuff at 33% dilution) - the thing that gets some appeal with distilled & minor amounts of additives is the highest technical thermal capacity of the coolant. Back in the day with non-nickel blocks (the bare copper sort) and absolutely NO aluminium I remember distilled and a silver coil being really popular.

@@SoundsLegit71radiator hoses are electrically conductive as they have metal mesh walls to stop them collapsing on themselves when coolant does inadvertently leak or boil over. No point having a hose if it can't handle the heat of the liquid inside it.

Its not cooler, but it is cooler 😉

If you have really quiet room, air cooling is annoying. Not to mention during gaming. With my custom loop 12cm fans were spining just at 400rpm. It is not always about performance.

well it used to be better, but that was before the thermal assassin and huge blow-through coolers on gpus

Basically, water and electronics are not good together. It's a corrosive relationship that never ends well. If you by some chance build the perfect watercooled PC, never have ANY issues, and your components last until you want to upgrade, there's always the chance a leak happens and your stuff is never 100% again. When I build a computer and I want to keep using it for a years to come, I don't put liquid anything inside it. Or near it.

​@@Woyta use headphones

Yeah mine started to disintegrate and removed it. Nice that it's included but most people shouldn't use it

I also knew right away what it was. These fall apart even if you are running distilled without additives.

I work on industrial printers in my day job and we had a batch of defective foam like that get out into the wild in some cleaning units. I replaced one on an install and the bad foam just crumbled under a light touch. One of the bad ones accidentally got out to a customer and destroyed several printheads with microscopic bits of foam.

Its why the anti-vortex acrylic insert is a much better option than the foam. Or you know, just dial down the pump(s) a bit. You really don't need 2 GPM flow. All it really does is create more noise, heat, vortex problems and decrease pump life for maybe 1-2c temp drop at best. I run my flow rate at like 0.5 GPM and my stuff still sits at 45-60c under load.

There's a generation of Porsches that have a similar problem with a foam block in the air loop that causes bits of foam to shoot out the vents over time. I don't trust foam based filtration in fluid loops for exactly this reason.

Also if anyone says something smells funky, we're all gonna smell it and agree

Genius addition. Agreed.

how did they heart this comment if it was 1 minute ago

Linus sees all, Linus knows all

Yeah full of misinformation 😂

Yes please, bump this post. Whoever does the music for LTT this was a wonderful choice :D

Don't use vinegar in a pc cooling loop. Vinegar will destroy your nickel plating and cause acrylic to craze(spider cracks).

couldnt you, in theory, run bleach through your set up for like 5 mins to disinfect, and then use the inhibitor and pure distilled water and...in theory...no bacteria should ever show up

Okay but my tubing is PET and my components are bare copper.

I can attest to RO water being supreme for cleaning focus, some preffers Destilled or De-miniralized but RO is just better as a decent filter setup is pretty cheap, and ensures a low solids count below 20ppm right at home. I have a big loop buildt over a long time, with external Rad, Res and Pump, and probly like 3m-3,5m softtube on there in total. I dont use any anti-agents of any kind (beside first time i put it on this Pc, which then grew fungi), i just use RO water now and a T-adapter to make a solids-trap on the pump inlet tube, so the pump is pulling from the side of the T helping solids drop in. But yeah using a T-adapter trap and RO water, i mean i basicly never have to clean my setup xD its been atleast 6 years now since i cleaned it (remove the blinded off trap tube and clean it/Refill) Actually now i need to refill the loop from dissipation loss more often than i need to clean it xD

Agreed, water-cooling isn't that bad if you prep your blocks well, but nickel plated doesn't like vinegar. I've been using a lighter mix of coffee machine cleaner as it's fine with the acrylic as well as metals without stripping. Never had algee and I ran a loop for over 12 months on the same coolant no residue as long as it's clear based and not pastel. Pastel requires some harsher chemicals to flush everything clear again and several flushes with demineralised water .

I watched every second of this video. David is amazing, Linus is 10/10 per the norm, and I even thought about getting a new toothbrush! I didn’t, however, think once that I wanted to start water cooling my computer. Very good video!

To be clear to all the people learning from this video, that I’m saying that that’s how good this ad was. It didn’t stop the flow, it was easy to accept that the toothbrush had very tight purpose and that it simply just made sense as a viewer.

This was more annoying than any other add because you can't skip or ignore it.

Linus was the one that said to do it. Him saying it however does not necessarily mean that David will do that, intentionally or not. We love you David.

Also said, "IF you had a little bit of extra length"

Those tubes have no extra length, they can't be shorter.

@@metaleuman That's what she said.

actually true, bought an NH-D15 and im gonna keep this thing till i die. Maybe i will need to replace the fans in 15 years but thats cheap asf

as much as i remember thermalright's phantom spirit should be lilttle better than both of them.

@@onyxeye5896 maybe Noctua sells their new fans then ;)

Frost Spirit 140 is a silent killer. 13900k works perfectly without any power caps but a bit undervolted only 95c degrees max

Definitely, maybe a U12-S for mid-tier systems

That's because this video was more instructional whereas most of their videos are more entertainment. This actually felt like an LTT video from like 2015.

Having him as a write is awesome, but now i miss the comments from behind the camera. Well one can't have it all.

Just forced enough.

😂

@@kg4wwn It was a bit wedged in, true. But i still appreciate the fact that they found a way to make a nice video with a toothbrush brand as the sponsor and incorporate it.

And don’t dump it out! It chemically keeps working even after it looks cloudy.

that Video is completely over dramatic. If you do it correctly, you have a drain and you flush out the system every 1-2 years. Takes roughly 30 minutes. done. This System looks not set up properly. You usually have additional chemicals in the water to prevent what they are showing. (Like i assume they just added distilled water and left it as it is)

@@meerpirat3418 Exactly and I have seen good setups running like new without flushing even longer than that.

Linus tech reply to this comment???

Hey we need to fill those landfills with something. Why not super toxic e-waste...

You are probably doing more harm than good TBH. Proper sealed AIOs are filled with glycol and the fluid doesn't go bad, nor do they really corrode, because of the glycol. They can easily last 5-10 years and you will probably be building a new PC before then anyways.