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He is popularly known as Charlie in the famous TV series Mother in law who plays a drunk distraught son, husband, and father but in real life, Patrick Oketch has never touched alcohol his entire life
On this episode of LNS rebuilding, he walks us through the dangers of working in an environment that does not recognize your worth, how his wife stuck with him through thick and thin, quitting his job to starting all over again
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@LynnNgugi
@LynnNgugi 8 месяцев назад
Good morning team LNN What is your take home from today's conversation with Charlie? You can reach him on his socials; Instagram: patoketch Facebook: Patrick Oketch Thank you to our amazing partners at Maridady, if you are looking for trusted Car dealers, Car financing, Driving school, Capital mobilization for Importation and Leasing, or a Car&carpet wash (Spaclean) then do not hesitate to contact them on; Gilbert 0709 888 176 and Leah 0709 888 178 Kindly check their website at www.maridadymotors.com for their amazing packages. To share your story with us, send a summary to info@Lnn.digital or Lynn.ngugi@Lnn.digital for consideration. Thank you so much for watching🙏
@agnesnjeri8402
@agnesnjeri8402 8 месяцев назад
Lynn black 🖤 looks soo good on you 😍👌
@gabrieletyang2711
@gabrieletyang2711 8 месяцев назад
Good work Lynn .Truly inspired by you
@berylanyango7131
@berylanyango7131 8 месяцев назад
I love this conversation Lynn and always looking forward to your shows.
@kinwaina
@kinwaina 8 месяцев назад
I remember Charlie when he came to MAGUMU HIGH SCHOOL in 2007, DRAMA CLUB and some training. Now life happens again and two people who met while LYNN was in school, a shy lady now hosts him on her show.... TABLES and LEVELS
@paulinekiragu7858
@paulinekiragu7858 8 месяцев назад
Hello, Lynn, I love your shows, your beautiful heart, and the curiosity in you. I also didn't want this show to come to an end coz this man is worth listening to you know😊 i wish it was a live show 😊❤
@margaretmbae1928
@margaretmbae1928 8 месяцев назад
To imagine 'Charlie' never drunk alcohol just tells us what a good actor he is 🎉
@reen6212
@reen6212 8 месяцев назад
😂😂😂that's true infact I still don't believe it have been knowing him as a drunkered in his really life
@susanapollo284
@susanapollo284 8 месяцев назад
He should open a you tube channel to advise people on life. Do interviews like Lynn and encourage people. He is full of wisdom. God bless him.
@eunicenjeru215
@eunicenjeru215 8 месяцев назад
Yes ooo
@user-vb4yh6iv3n
@user-vb4yh6iv3n 8 месяцев назад
​@@reen6212🎉🎉p
@lucychugi4797
@lucychugi4797 8 месяцев назад
​@@susanapollo284alisema yeye hapendi kufwata upepo
@cynthiagloria1625
@cynthiagloria1625 8 месяцев назад
Iam from Uganda but watched him religiously on citizen Tv. Mother in law. Great actor. Thanks Lyn for hosting him. Good morning.
@nancygakenia3548
@nancygakenia3548 8 месяцев назад
The guy is so intelligent education forums make use of him.
@waihiga124
@waihiga124 8 месяцев назад
Patrick's portrayal of the mlevi Charlie role was so memorable that it is almost impossible to detach him from that character. That he brought Mlevi Charlie to life in such an unforgettable way speaks of the undeniable talent of a phenomenal actor who left a lasting impact. 👏👏👏👏👏👏 Patrick!
@shiwahmaish8980
@shiwahmaish8980 8 месяцев назад
Wow!!! Charlie in the house 🙏 🙏🙏 would also love to see Caroline mutuko and Terrence creative on the show.
@zablonreuben
@zablonreuben 8 месяцев назад
This guy is an encouragement. Working for people is very hard, employers don't appreciate employees. Madharau Tu huku na kule
@triciahaigwo9621
@triciahaigwo9621 8 месяцев назад
My take home😊. Before that, I saw Patrick once at Roysambu, coming from TRM while I was going to TRM. Didn't get a chance to say hi as I was trying to search his face in my head cz he looked like a guy I know. It's only after he passed me did I remember that, oh gosh it's Challie of mother inlaw. My take home; I finally have the courage to resign from my job. I don't need a plan, the know how, just my God and a goal, to which I find it in God. Lastly, one day I too may be on Lynn Ngugi show 🙈🙈🙈
@user-kpurity
@user-kpurity 8 месяцев назад
Wow, this man is rich in words. Thanks Lynn for hosting him. May the Lord bless you so much Patrick.
@everlynwanjiku1086
@everlynwanjiku1086 8 месяцев назад
It's so good to see real people who mind their business and so smart up there yet there are not full of themselves.
@CatherineGachee
@CatherineGachee 7 месяцев назад
Congratulations 'Charlie' P Oketch so brainy and brilliant citizen no comparison to his acting character 'drunkard' in Mother in Law. God be with you and open the closed doors. Wishing you to be in Parliament to exercise your wisdom.
@marywanjiku8162
@marywanjiku8162 8 месяцев назад
" When your phone rings, the reaction you make unconsciously should tell you which step to take" Wueh!
@rosierosita.7235
@rosierosita.7235 8 месяцев назад
I think I need to quit my job
@marywanjiku8162
@marywanjiku8162 8 месяцев назад
@@rosierosita.7235 Just be strategic, follow your heart, trust in God.
@Vanil_Everyday
@Vanil_Everyday 8 месяцев назад
The shortest two hour interview .This man is full of so much wisdom. ❤God bless both of you.
@jacintawachira9516
@jacintawachira9516 8 месяцев назад
My former student, who was always very focused and forthright. The future is great for Patrick.
@user-ui5kb4wf7g
@user-ui5kb4wf7g 8 месяцев назад
My take,Trusting people can take you to the pit of death. I love the show.
@Ki-l7s
@Ki-l7s 8 месяцев назад
Wow, Charlie is a wonderful role model for our society. He is really an educator. Thank you Charlie 🎉 & thank you Lynn for hosting him ❤
@4thcandlemediatv
@4thcandlemediatv 8 месяцев назад
Patto is such a great actor and writer. It was such an honour to work with him while in the same film and theatre class at KU.
@warigiapurity8252
@warigiapurity8252 8 месяцев назад
We are stomach people. We vote with who gives us 200 or 500. Without asking will this transform into development. 'Charles' civil education is dead money taken nothing done. People do not even know chapter 4 of the constitution which impacts each one of us greatly.
@gamingke6303
@gamingke6303 8 месяцев назад
I really love how Patrick acknowledges the good in others. Thats quite commedable.
@TheBarakas
@TheBarakas 8 месяцев назад
He played Charlie so well we thought ye ni Mlevi in real life. He is definitely good at acting ❤❤❤
@cherrymakena
@cherrymakena 8 месяцев назад
Wow👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾The statement about how the MIDDLE CLASS in this country are overly relaxed when it comes to matters politics....I wholesomely agree! The middle class could do SO MUCH MORE. Honestly!
@faithkisiangani5702
@faithkisiangani5702 8 месяцев назад
😂😂😂 kwishaaa tumefikiwa
@millicentaluoch5581
@millicentaluoch5581 8 месяцев назад
​@@faithkisiangani5702na sisi ndio wengi right😢
@monikahoile6009
@monikahoile6009 8 месяцев назад
His voice is awesome!
@lizokoth6556
@lizokoth6556 8 месяцев назад
Monic is in love😊
@bellaolum9768
@bellaolum9768 8 месяцев назад
Deep baritone ❤
@lydiahmacharia4183
@lydiahmacharia4183 8 месяцев назад
This I agree,😊 weuh
@florahsoila
@florahsoila 8 месяцев назад
I have admired this dude for ages. I marvel at what God has ordained him to pursue in his daily engagements around.
@florencendiema3713
@florencendiema3713 8 месяцев назад
Lynn,Iam great full you brought him live.He is a duplicate of my late brother.Iam very happy to hear that he doesn't drink 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@theafricanphilosopherqueen3032
@theafricanphilosopherqueen3032 8 месяцев назад
Patrick is a brilliant actor ,and plays his character well, for this reason I gave him my house to shoot some scenes as a chief..
@bellaolum9768
@bellaolum9768 8 месяцев назад
Thank you Lynn for bringing us this legend, he always made Mother-in-Law worth watching! His depiction of the ever drunk husband of Selina was just epic!😂
@ollybossy
@ollybossy 8 месяцев назад
I once met Patrick at Subukia pilgrimage, i could tell he is a very strong Christian, but imagine the reaction of haiya the way hes a 'drunk'.. (the perception we have cause of his acting). Hope more doors open for him, he is brilliant.
@clairesfitnesszone
@clairesfitnesszone 8 месяцев назад
This is the best conversation I have heard, I resonate so well with Patrick. Move when it is time.
@florahngina6435
@florahngina6435 8 месяцев назад
Charlie thanks for reminding and telling us kenyans 🇰🇪 bitter truth🙆‍♀️
@neommutle8033
@neommutle8033 8 месяцев назад
Another great 👍🏾 episode Lynn 👏. Papa Charles is a deep and wise man. Africans let's learn to appreciate our actors and our artists in general, and not leave our artistic giants to struggle. I was watching a similar interview of a great actor in South Africa 🇿🇦. Blessings 🙌 from South Africa ❤ 🇿🇦
@hannahnganga161
@hannahnganga161 8 месяцев назад
😊
@trizahmacharia2939
@trizahmacharia2939 8 месяцев назад
What do you mean exactly
@thenicasio9440
@thenicasio9440 8 месяцев назад
Challie is just a real intelligent man!!
@flohMN1356
@flohMN1356 8 месяцев назад
Guys guess who's in the show today❤❤😊❤ Aki December wewe 😊 LNN clan❤
@CCMNEWS20
@CCMNEWS20 8 месяцев назад
Very interesting story By Patrick, I wish Abel Omunga, dad's to Ruth Matete could one day be hosted here too, he has a great story.
@vadrinenjeri9932
@vadrinenjeri9932 8 месяцев назад
His opening statement just made me shiver realizing the truth in it our ignorance has landed us to where we r so sad as he saud choices have consequences
@janewambui6608
@janewambui6608 8 месяцев назад
This gentleman has taught me something important "I don't do fashion but I do clean clothes".Wonderful interview🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@panafrican.nation
@panafrican.nation 8 месяцев назад
I like this
@marykiio304
@marykiio304 8 месяцев назад
Ohh Yes me too .💪
@phoebewanjiru1955
@phoebewanjiru1955 8 месяцев назад
He plays that drunk character very well. He is so talented
@mercyk2672
@mercyk2672 8 месяцев назад
I'll have to say, this is one of the most brilliant, authentic and humble person you've interviewed. I couldn't stop watching, even while at work❤
@ekudamekimombasa461
@ekudamekimombasa461 8 месяцев назад
Lynn since I started watching this channel my life has really changed ijust pray that will make this channel to be one of the biggest channel in 🇰🇪 Kenya.
@marumbusophie7839
@marumbusophie7839 8 месяцев назад
This guy is a great actor wow! Truly talented..I love him to death..well done Charlie..
@hannahngigi162
@hannahngigi162 8 месяцев назад
Very good content, great insights to learn from Patrick and Lynn. Do not allow people to box you, do not be afraid to quit for growth. I met charlie once at alliance girls drama competition and I was afraid to say hello. He always looked drunkard on TV and very serious in real life. This story has taught me to NEVER judge anyone for what they physically look like or do. Our society is rotten where people judge before hearing you out. It is a shame for people to call you Mlevi on the streets. I have been called "Madiamba," "mukuru" and now "bonga points" People should stop judging others harshly!!
@peterkiongo9762
@peterkiongo9762 8 месяцев назад
This Man is An Oasis of Wisdom 👌🤝💪
@bellaolum9768
@bellaolum9768 8 месяцев назад
He's as deep as the ocean!👌🏿
@aureliamunene2730
@aureliamunene2730 8 месяцев назад
What a deeply reflective man Patrick his. I wish him all the best.
@estherlumadede1474
@estherlumadede1474 8 месяцев назад
Am getting inspired by each and every story you post Lynn, how i wish one day i will be happy in life. Be blessed Lynn
@SageQuotes33
@SageQuotes33 8 месяцев назад
A very rich conversation that calls for introspection... Seems Lynn saved the best for last.December convos are mind-blowing!!!
@margaretnyaga6823
@margaretnyaga6823 8 месяцев назад
Very brilliant man. It cannot be tedious watching this eloquent man
@translationafrica2629
@translationafrica2629 8 месяцев назад
Charlie is intelligent, he.should do motivational speaking...can listen to him over and over again
@gladysmwende5192
@gladysmwende5192 8 месяцев назад
One thing about Charlie is that he has always been a natural.. I remember at KU we used to walk with him from KU to kahawa.. he was Soo lovely and friendly
@nanciegeomar1765
@nanciegeomar1765 8 месяцев назад
And he is assistant chairperson at st Joseph Catholic church.....so humble
@nellywasuna2497
@nellywasuna2497 8 месяцев назад
Pls Patrick bring this talent search to high school. We need to nurture such from here. Thanks Lynn for the good job you do. Beyond the sky is the limit Charlie and Lynn. ❤❤❤
@nellywasuna2497
@nellywasuna2497 8 месяцев назад
🤔
@under2559
@under2559 8 месяцев назад
Such a wise man wow i hope his now going to be on Netflix shows aki i have learnt you can rebuild from anywhere you can go back to school at any age
@eunicenjeru215
@eunicenjeru215 8 месяцев назад
Patrick is comical,knowledgeable and knows himself very well.His acting role as "charlie" was great considering he has never drunk alcohol.That is amazing!
@bellajb9255
@bellajb9255 8 месяцев назад
Lynn you are one person I usually mention in my prayers, is through your show that p'ple like us get carriage, I'm a house help ,n it's the title that connects to my situation 😭
@LynnNgugi
@LynnNgugi 8 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for this:) Means a lot to me❤❤ All the best
@martharinebiseko1457
@martharinebiseko1457 8 месяцев назад
Ignored the title of your job. Give it Yr best, pick up all the skills you can and when another opening/door shows up then Hod will gladly bless you
@bellajb9255
@bellajb9255 8 месяцев назад
@@martharinebiseko1457Amen 🙏, thank you ❤️
@Zainab-ts4mj
@Zainab-ts4mj 8 месяцев назад
​@@martharinebiseko1457True my dear, God's faithful.
@antonynjoroge3339
@antonynjoroge3339 8 месяцев назад
This guy is so humble, a genius in the thickets... thanks alot for this interview our girl. I've watched it all for almost the whole day cz ya job. But trust me he was talking to me. You need to bring him back
@Elaine-zr9yc
@Elaine-zr9yc 8 месяцев назад
Finally our Charlie is here🎉🎉🎉❤❤ let me sit back and enjoy the story and part of him that I Don't know away from TV and acting, Lynn am sending my pure clean Love to you ❤❤🥰
@veronkelly6337
@veronkelly6337 8 месяцев назад
One of my favorite actors in this country. Happy to see you on this show Charly
@silviangari3291
@silviangari3291 8 месяцев назад
Woww❤the shortest 2hrs of my day... a man i would listen to for a whole day without even dozing off...A man full of wisdom.. he's so authentic on what he's saying ..so much to take from him....thanks Lynn for hosting such legends for us ....
@cindykilonzo2691
@cindykilonzo2691 8 месяцев назад
The lesson I have learnt today is live according to your means.Thanks lyn for bringing these people who are encouraging us ..be blessed.
@ADFCouple
@ADFCouple 8 месяцев назад
Time just flew by - I was making my hair as I listened and am glad I tuned in as I’ve been thoroughly inspired - It’s been a while since I listened to such an authentic person. Nowadays a lot of “Celebs” are just spewing a whole lot of similar conformity nonsense and so this is refreshing. Kudos Patrick and all the best. Thanks Lynn.
@loycecarolkhayeli
@loycecarolkhayeli 8 месяцев назад
Yeah most of our talents died like that,I used to be an athletic in highschool and a good writer all the way from school,now the writing part never left,I do it daily just for me 😊. I guess that platform Mr Patrick is talking about is beneficial for people like me n many others . Thank you
@winnrosewangui
@winnrosewangui 8 месяцев назад
He taught us drama in highschool and wueh he is tough his intro was" I am teacher by profession and disciplinarian by nature"
@hildawasike7926
@hildawasike7926 8 месяцев назад
Such a lovely show, my takeaways; Know your worth, there is no need to be where you're not appreciated 💯 Put you first🎉🎉 The part that got me the most was offering your professional sweat and you're being treated as if the employer is doing you a favour, I also don't like employers who underpay / undervalue their employees.I just graduated with a law degree this year and i am passionate about employee rights.
@user-xq3bx4ig6u
@user-xq3bx4ig6u 5 месяцев назад
"the most important person is my wife, then children,then others" what a statement. Thanks Charlie.
@maggieshish4517
@maggieshish4517 8 месяцев назад
A time I saw 'Charlie' standing at the gate of Nyayo house, was soo excited to say hae but when I saw how serious he was looking, I just walked away. I love his wisdom and attitude.
@mercyfaith3021
@mercyfaith3021 8 месяцев назад
😂😂😂😂u feared sura ya kazi
@mercyfaith3021
@mercyfaith3021 8 месяцев назад
That happened to me too some time I found Mrs mwamba outside galitos opposite Tom Mboya statue early in the morning, I said hi to her very excited n thought I invite her for a cup of coffee coz she seems she was waiting for someone but the way she responded to my greetings I melted n feared the pple in the tv😂
@florenceachieng
@florenceachieng 8 месяцев назад
Woow good to see him in our LNN family,let get inspired
@jeddymoon3803
@jeddymoon3803 8 месяцев назад
I remember watching him on TV a lot..such a good actor and I can't wait to learn the other side of him!
@reine924
@reine924 8 месяцев назад
Haiya, he's only 42 years old!
@ankare9903
@ankare9903 8 месяцев назад
Good morning team..thank you Lnn may God live to bless u.thanks for bringing challie on the show❤❤
@Victorkarimi5555
@Victorkarimi5555 8 месяцев назад
A Brilliant mind person who have brought Lynne... Charlie Amazing Actor You were.... May God Experd YOUR Territory With Your Family...
@glaudianjuguna88
@glaudianjuguna88 8 месяцев назад
Wow! Great conversation, people need to see the value that I bring in. Getting out of the comfort zone. Choosing growth over comfort
@roseflorence8618
@roseflorence8618 8 месяцев назад
I've worked with patto and he is amazing for sure, students at embu University keep asking him why he always drunk and he keep telling them that Charlie is just a character bt they seem not to understand.
@onesmwaura8928
@onesmwaura8928 8 месяцев назад
More than 2hrs interview. This guy is one of his kind
@agnesnjeri8402
@agnesnjeri8402 8 месяцев назад
Wow 😊 Patrick is full of knowledge..niko hapo kwa pause ⏸️ rewind ⏪ and taking notes,it was indeed an amazing episode
@leahnjoki5177
@leahnjoki5177 8 месяцев назад
Patrick is full of wisdom.
@isabellahrukwaro5872
@isabellahrukwaro5872 8 месяцев назад
Woow so inspiring, i hope every kenyan can hear this. We would no longer have emotional politics that are not logical. The consequences are so evident😢. Ive learnt to live within My means Let me see If i Will convince My grandma that Charlie Wa mother in law hajawahi kunywa pombe. I should do a video😅
@philipowino-jofon
@philipowino-jofon 8 месяцев назад
Lynn I sat two hours listening to this guy. He is legit. Thank you so much for bringing him
@nancyogera2161
@nancyogera2161 8 месяцев назад
His voice is amazing, great episode!
@marynjango7449
@marynjango7449 8 месяцев назад
"Thinking is in the constitution" this. Entered straight in my oblangata .😅
@introvert-14
@introvert-14 8 месяцев назад
If only I make a good mistake 😂 of taping in my talent, mimi huyo I know it will never be the same again. I will only look back to thank God for where He has brought me from. Lynn keep doing some good work.
@annkago6550
@annkago6550 8 месяцев назад
A staunch member and one of the moderator of our St.Joseph Kahawa Sukari church.
@imanimwakinga4934
@imanimwakinga4934 8 месяцев назад
Just know after this conversation this man will rise even higher ❤❤❤, there is a way these shows always elevates people
@ruthratemo416
@ruthratemo416 8 месяцев назад
This man has the brains , the he (puts ) his points
@user-mu5ws4vq8e
@user-mu5ws4vq8e 8 месяцев назад
Patrick you are a person to emulate.I hope Kenyans had a chance to watch this show.Thanks for the show---was privileged to get into it.
@mhofu02
@mhofu02 8 месяцев назад
Hey Lynn I am here Zimbo I watch your shows as well I get lost in Lingos when you guys switch I just let you be you, thanks Patrick nice to see your success, Lynn you are looking fresh and beautiful. Sooo many life lessons in this chat 🫶🏾👏🤩❤️🌹
@WanjiruMuya
@WanjiruMuya 8 месяцев назад
Am soo happy to see Charlie on the yellow Couch😍i grew up watching him
@kobifm
@kobifm 8 месяцев назад
Tata wanjiru utuire kuu
@estherpesh5840
@estherpesh5840 8 месяцев назад
Good job Lynn an am happy seeing charlie fit and strong with alot to learn from him,😊
@georgemukubwa9426
@georgemukubwa9426 8 месяцев назад
That voice talks more of him.Big up Charlie 💪💪💪💯💯
@sainavictor1663
@sainavictor1663 8 месяцев назад
amazing guy full of wisdom ,i dont regret spending my time to listen to him
@joycekirui6384
@joycekirui6384 8 месяцев назад
If charlie has never tasted alcohol then he is the best actor ❤
@Vanil_Everyday
@Vanil_Everyday 8 месяцев назад
So eye opening especially on the political aspect,we have to do better as a nation!
@ginamusyoka754
@ginamusyoka754 8 месяцев назад
Ooh this is impressive you are a true gift . I watched you act at our church as a youth in christ the king embakasi...go patrick you are set for greater things be blessed
@alicekabue7541
@alicekabue7541 8 месяцев назад
Great show .My instincts were very right always felt there's a great mind behind the "Charlie" character.
@abbiewapastor
@abbiewapastor 8 месяцев назад
Such a brilliant guy. All the best in your future endeavours Patrick. May the Lord direct your paths
@monicahndunda7205
@monicahndunda7205 8 месяцев назад
Ooh my God Lynn ....you are doing a good job .The title is wonderful.
@glslatifahnsubuga51
@glslatifahnsubuga51 8 месяцев назад
Always here waiting to learn. Lynn and your team good 👍 for impacting our lives
@susankitaka1456
@susankitaka1456 8 месяцев назад
Looking at the corporate world the one position that is created to be the liason is the HR department. I can say the majority of the people in this department have done injustice to soo many people. This i say with respect to those HR Officers who have taken their role with all humilty, diginity and conviction.
@judymburu8898
@judymburu8898 8 месяцев назад
I used to hold the same belief and blamed it on the people for all the bad things going on until i understood that our lives and situation is spiritual. Darkness vs light. Darkness reigns in our land because there isn't enough light (Godliness) in how we conduct ourselves. We urgently need a behaviour and moral change so that the future generations can do better. There is a few 'good' men amongst us but not enough to illuminate a very dark and gloomy situation. Kenyans lets purpose to change in our own small spaces...in our families, work, neighborhoods
@monicahfavor574
@monicahfavor574 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for this interview, it really talked to me inthe loudest voice that I needed for some decisions ❤
@jecintakahungu7131
@jecintakahungu7131 8 месяцев назад
I gotta be out of topic wueeeh baba,si uko na sauti🥰
@gladwellnjenga2872
@gladwellnjenga2872 8 месяцев назад
Patrick you made us watch,enjoy and envy you keep it up ❤
@faithsonikim
@faithsonikim 8 месяцев назад
A thought provoking episode. Thank you Lynn for hosting him.
@sarahn4468
@sarahn4468 8 месяцев назад
This was a good program that is inspiring. What I want to ask is: when we know that the system has been designed to avoid public to get involved, how do we come up with the way to bring awareness to young generations that what is happening is already jeopardising their future. Is there anyway we can overturn this system because it is happening in East Africa. Young people have no idea of these facts.
@nyamburamwangi3658
@nyamburamwangi3658 8 месяцев назад
We go to church together with him,st.joseph Kahawa sukari. He is very faithful when it comes to church usimuone Ivo...
@alicearam1365
@alicearam1365 8 месяцев назад
Patrick mirrors what a lot of us out here think/feel about the kenyan society😱 kudos for such an educative talk, left me with a lot of thought about passiveness & complaining.
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