IARC's Game Ratings Changing After Release - Tomb Raider Remastered Re-rated From Mature To Teen

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This video takes a look at the IARC rating system and how Tomb Raider I-III Remastered age ratings have changed after the game's release.
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@theletterm1787 6 месяцев назад

Media rating boards are generally pretty silly

@TK_zerrivet 6 месяцев назад

Rating Agencies are an extension of the biggest player in that industry. For indie games the age ratings tend to fall higher, while AAA usually gets lower age ratings. Makes sense if the people rating games rate Sony games favorable if the also work for Sony.

@Liggliluff 6 месяцев назад

@@TK_zerrivetcould also be that major companies know every little detail about what to avoid to trigger that higher rating while tiny companies included little details that gives a higher rating. Having people in these companies, which they likely have, does help. But I don't think it's that big of a conspiracy though.

@TK_zerrivet 6 месяцев назад

@@Liggliluff Of course it's not a conspiracy; it's nepotism out in the open. If you think that the corporations that lobbied the government to set up these rating agencies, which then create these agencies for the government and end up staffing and funding these agencies, don't do this purely for themselves, then I have beautiful beachfront property in Arizona to sell to you.

@katieterk9495 6 месяцев назад

The original ttrilogy tomb raider trilogy was rated teen for T in north America why will the remaster be any different in my opinion

@nicksjacku9750 6 месяцев назад

"Mature for culture insensitivity"

@TallulahSoie 6 месяцев назад

Because the world is infected by snowflakes who a triggered by literally everything.

@suffering9668 6 месяцев назад

because years have passed between the rating of before and the rating of today

@jlev1028 6 месяцев назад

@@suffering9668Not a good excuse.

@MBrandr 6 месяцев назад

@@suffering9668 So the teens of today are less mentally mature than teens of the past? 😂

@definitelynotapervert5602 6 месяцев назад

A PEGI 16 rating for this collection is still really pushing it. They barely even qualify for a 12 or T rating. Rating systems are way too harsh on games nowadays.

@shodan2002 6 месяцев назад

Like it matters people will buy whatever they want

@definitelynotapervert5602 6 месяцев назад

@@shodan2002 Still much prefer if the ratings board would stop being so damn puritanical and actually give games accurate ratings.

@sibel9272 6 месяцев назад

@@definitelynotapervert5602 Yeah PEGI will immediately give a game an 18 if an innocent is killed on screen, regardless if the player does it or not.

@Rocket1377 5 месяцев назад

The recent patch has further censored the TR I-II-III remaster. The pinups posters of Lara on the lockers at the start of the Sleeping With The Fishes level have been removed. They are still there when you switch to classic graphics.

@OxyShmoxy 6 месяцев назад

It's not surprising that the publisher filled out the form incorrectly, considering the offensive sensitivity warning they put in the game.

@mattwo7 6 месяцев назад

1:09 That's a dumb and easily abusable system.

@drift180x 6 месяцев назад

I always wondered what the IARC was about, some games on the Nintendo eShop have that rating instead of the rating system used locally. Usually for games that are digital only I’ve noticed.

@sibel9272 6 месяцев назад

Here's some examples of games I remember that had their ratings changed recently. My Friend Pedro (T to M) Broforce (M to T) Bloodroots (T to M) Freedom Finger (T to M) Castle Crashers Remastered (E10 to T) there are probably more examples.

@edwardperkins1225 6 месяцев назад

It's almost certain that the girl on the guy's shirt had a bikini added to get the same T rating, but things got messed up when initially dealing with IARC.

@lovevideogames1 6 месяцев назад

Usually when a digital-only game gets a new age rating, the new age rating is higher, a recent example is Gunvolt Records: Cychronicle, originally rated E for Everyone and then rated T for Teen, the game, for example, is rated CERO B in Japan and it's a Gunvolt game, the original rating was an obvious mistake. Other examples are Nekopara Vol. 1 (originally rated T in the case of the Switch version and E in the case of the PS4 version, it was then rated M for Mature, obviously), Sakura Succubus (originally a game rated T, then M), Sixtar Gate: Startrail (originally rated E for Everyone, then rated E10+)...and more. A game that gets a lower age rating after release is something more unusual.

@JohnDoe-wq5eu 6 месяцев назад

To be honest I was highly suspicious of that M-rating when this trilogy dropped. These games were always T for teen and I can't think of a single game in the series (up until 2013) that had the M rating for obvious reasons. But then again we're living in a time where even the smallest little things seem to bump up a title's rating. And where the whole industry has gotten completely soft. Nothing surprises me anymore or at least not like it would have back in the day.

@jlev1028 6 месяцев назад

It happens. Many T-rated games were relabeled E10+ post-2004.

@killertruth186 6 месяцев назад

There’s only a few exceptions and this example is Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion.

@JohnDoe-wq5eu 6 месяцев назад

@@jlev1028 I'd have to know exact examples but yeah it doesn't surprise me. I remember that once there was something between E and T the E10+ got a lot more use. I'm honestly surprised it took them as long as it did to come up with something between those two ratings.

@JohnDoe-wq5eu 6 месяцев назад

@@killertruth186 Yeah, I remember that one. I remember they were literally putting stickers onto the back of cases that had the new rating and descriptors. That was insane and not nearly talked about enough.

@MrCjosue24 6 месяцев назад

What's the difference in the age rating?

@NinjaKIngAce 6 месяцев назад

Was = 17+ Now = 13+ So, about 4 years

@RaifSeverence 6 месяцев назад

Probably rated m in the first place due to some DEI shenanigans. (Cant have attractive women in videogames without people reeing into the ether afterall)

@sibel9272 6 месяцев назад

Or (the more likely reason) they fucked up the IARC questionnaire. I mean FFS Guilty Gear Strive is T.

@gabegillette9647 6 месяцев назад

I swear the rating for Nightdive's release of Turok 2 was originally Teen, but it got changed back to Mature at some point. So perhaps I wasn't crazy afterall ...

@sibel9272 6 месяцев назад

Yeah that happens a lot with indie games/digital only releases.

@JohnDaubSuperfan369 3 месяца назад

Ratings are only quidelines, they don't actually *mean* anything. And if a corporation like Walmart refused to stock a game for adults that's actually a good thing, you can buy (if you insist, nobody should be paying for games that came out almost 30 years ago) it from elsewhere denying Walmart any profits

@douglasbriel6103 6 месяцев назад

It's been an all ages game since 1995. No one ever harmed. These aren't authorities. They are political activists trying to inflict their views upon others. There has already been an international ratings system for decades, analogous to the film and TV rating association.

@bradley7674 6 месяцев назад

Did the Australian rating for the remake get changed?

@nicksjacku9750 6 месяцев назад

Rating boards need to go

@royasturias1784 6 месяцев назад

It'll be on you if you make your kids play Hatred.

@NeoTechni 6 месяцев назад

I agree. The problem is they are the lesser of 2 evils, as without them, the government will step in and do worse.

@jlev1028 6 месяцев назад

@@royasturias1784As it should. It's the parents' responsibility what their child plays or watches, no one else.

@ozero00rockon 6 месяцев назад

There’s not really a reason for them since parents buy their kids Grand Theft Auto on consoles and let them play online.

@jamiewilliamson9829 6 месяцев назад

@@jlev1028 I know it's also down to the parents responsibility but the age rating boards are there to guide the consumer in what type of content are in the game to help make an informative decision. Whether or not the parent does that and give the kids mature rated games is on them.

@rowan7929 6 месяцев назад

MA15+ in Australia. Inclining strong violence. Which is weird as you hardly see any blood. But I guess seeing one guy floating in the air in 3 with a big hole in his chest, looks more graphics than in the original.

@sibel9272 6 месяцев назад

Speaking of which I've always been confused by the difference between MA15+ violence, and R18+ violence. I ask this cause games like Doom 2016/Eternal, Mortal Kombat, and The last of us are R18+ for violence. Yet, Red Dead Redemption 2, The Dead Space Remake, and Rage 2 are MA15+. What's the difference here?

@rowan7929 6 месяцев назад

@@sibel9272Honestly, I'm not sure either. It's the same with movies. Even when the movie has full on sex scenes like 50 shades, bloody as hell, swearing like sailors, its still rated MA15. The only thing I kind of noticed if a game/movie where the violence is more graphic than just a huge blood splatter with some parts flying off and consumption of drugs or a very heavy theme. Then its 18 rated. Generally I struggle to understand the difference between M and MA15. Since both state you need to be 15 yet, one means you need to be older than 15?

@sibel9272 6 месяцев назад

@@rowan7929 Yeah I know games with interactive drug use (Disco Elysium), or games that imply sexual assault (LISA) immediately get R18+. I meant specifically in terms of violence/gore.

@rowan7929 6 месяцев назад

@@sibel9272And I really don't know. Besides being more graphic than just a splash of blood.

@sibel9272 6 месяцев назад

@@rowan7929 I think I might know, I think it has something to do with if intestines are visible or not. Cause Mortal Kombat, New Doom, and The Last of us all have very visible intestines. (All the MA15+ games I listed from what i've seen, have visible brain matter, but not any noticeable intestines.

@xmaverickhunterkx 6 месяцев назад

These things should at best be advisory (and in reality they end up being so). They should have zero legal implications anywhere, ever.

@krazykris9396 6 месяцев назад

After having a peak at the questionair, I see why. Is it really that few amount of questions without detailed questionnaires asking about the context or nuances about a rating? (I.e. are there rewards for doing things non-violently, does doing substances lead to adiction or reduced stats, are swimsuits worn by characters at an appropriate location such as a pool, is the presence of gambling realistic, etc.).

@JohnDoe-wq5eu 6 месяцев назад

Honestly what the hell is even going on within the industry anymore. This should have been a teen rating without any contradiction. But then again we're dealing with a stupid governing body whose main job is to be a nanny to lazy parents. I expect constant BS like this nowadays because the people running things are either weak, stupid and soft or just don't know how to do their job properly.

@Liggliluff 6 месяцев назад

But it seems that this had nothing to do with the governing body. The publisher gave themselves a too high rating so the rating board lowered it after launch.

@xRocketzFighterx 6 месяцев назад

It's crazy to believe that Tomb Raider in the UK was once 12 rated (1st game) then 15 rated (2nd and 3rd game) America rated all three of these T for teen but now for all regions it's 18+ rated and Mature. Maybe it's the cursed retro graphics that are more offensive than the actual violence and some of the insensitve things that we just didn't know better at the time lol. To be honest here no one cares about rating systems, I never cared about them as a kid either, I just judge the game by what I see on the package and trailers/gameplay footage streaming and I think to myself "yeah this game looks fun/interesting to experience and I feel I understand what kinda crazy or not crazy stuff im getting myself into"

@hatoru17 6 месяцев назад

I'm starting to understand the reason for the change on Pierre's jacket now. As overly sensitive to the female body that people have become nowadays. They HAD to do it because someone with no life and sheer determination to find the littlest thing to complain about would see it and get them in trouble. I wish I was just exaggerating, but if that little detail made no difference, then why go out of your way to patch out that little difference? And for that matter, it now begs the question of what else was in this game that they felt they needed to censor for this board?

@mbii7667 6 месяцев назад

They shouldn't have changed it

@windy3935 6 месяцев назад

Dumb comment. This type of honing in on details and blowing it our of proportion can be done for any game. There are then also plenty of games with details one could make a big deal out of. Imagine if game design was actually as dramatically cautious as your argument is dramatic... the gaming industry would go out of business lol.

@jlev1028 6 месяцев назад

@@windy3935The industry is definitely heading towards bankruptcy with its monetization bubble about to burst.

@hatoru17 6 месяцев назад

@@windy3935 the developers of the recent hyperdimension Neptunia game had to go back and patch the dialogue and text in the game to change certain words, even the names of items, because somebody at the company forgot to put the language label in the rating description. And if they didn't do that they would have gotten in trouble. Pierre's jacket had a bare-chested woman on it. There's no description for nudity or partial nudity. If the developers working on the game found this and decided to change it, then someone would have done the same thing. The ratings board might have done the same thing. That would have gotten them into trouble for that little detail. As companies are becoming more overly sensitive by the day about the female body, do you really think they would have let that slide? Apparently Aspyr most certainly didn't think so. But hey feel free to ask em if you want. But seeing as how the rating changed from M to T now I'm pretty sure that was probably the case.

@mbii7667 6 месяцев назад

@@windy3935 it is going out of business

@z-hop8180 2 месяца назад

Woke

@Mankey619 6 месяцев назад

Why would they change the game's rating system here. It's not that much of a violent game.

@NinjaKIngAce 6 месяцев назад

I guess the old game weren't as "offensive" as they thought it was

@jakd.rabbit 6 месяцев назад

Or, and hear me out, this is because the game was resubmitted for a full review. This has happened with other digital only games when publishers like Limited Run pick them up for physical release where the games have to be resubmitted for the full review process and can earn a completely different rating whether that be higher or lower. A good example of this is that Jak & Daxter the Precursor Legacy released on the PS2 on PS4 line with the 2001 rating of E but when Limited Run partnered with Sony to release physical copies with proceeds being earned for various non-profits the game was resubmitted and given its now current rating of E10+. Edit: I'm seeing this as a physical release will be coming out very soon since Aspyr games typically got physical releases via Limited Run games or THQ Nordic given that, until very recently, they all had the same parent company.

@ozzman123 6 месяцев назад

That's because of Lara's Deaths being quite brutal, especially the spike pits, they removed the impaled animation in tr4 and 5 because of this and barely got away with it in Legend. Just shows how times change

@JohnDoe-wq5eu 6 месяцев назад

I mean I hate to use the term "sensitivities" but that is what we're talking about here. The industry has gotten soft very very soft. Then I guess graphics being much more detailed don't help either. I hate that I'm already doing the "when I was younger it was simpler times" schtick but wow it is so true.

@bustergundo516 6 месяцев назад

@@JohnDoe-wq5eu you're right. I am sick of all this needless censorship

@urracojalpa4481 6 месяцев назад

I loved TR2013 also because of the brutal deaths. That game is a gem, it does a lot of things right. Then with the next instalments they've gone soft again.

@killertruth186 6 месяцев назад

@@JohnDoe-wq5eu And the fanboys defending things?

@JohnDoe-wq5eu 6 месяцев назад

@@killertruth186 Define "things".

@theycallmepiccolo9985 6 месяцев назад

Unrelated to the topic but I find it funny how in the trailer it states “Lovingly upscaled” yet they used AI to upscale the textures 👍

@fireaza 6 месяцев назад

Well, they're technically correct. "Upscaling" is a purely mechanical process, like A.I. If it was being done by hand, it wouldn't be "upscaling" but rather "remade".

@theycallmepiccolo9985 6 месяцев назад

@@fireaza yes but in my opinion you can not lovingly create something with wholly with AI

@mattwo7 6 месяцев назад

@@theycallmepiccolo9985You can't "create" with an algorithm (it's not AI) to begin with. Generate but not create. "Create" isn't even close to the right word here to begin with because the algorithm is modifying, not generating. Upscaling rendered 3D graphics is basically just uncapping the graphics settings, though the textures also need to be updated or else they'll look terrible. Also your quote is also wrong. It says "lovingly restored" not "lovingly upscaled"

@theycallmepiccolo9985 6 месяцев назад

@@mattwo7 my b my b

@jlev1028 6 месяцев назад

Can we just label every rereleased N64, Saturn, and PS1 game no higher than E10+? The graphics are too primitive to be taboo for child eyes.

@Ivegotsomewater81 6 месяцев назад

A lot of those M rated games on those systems dealt with a lot of mature subject matter, so to discount them for their graphics is really harmful.

@jlev1028 6 месяцев назад

@Ivegotsomewater81 What subject matter? Polygonal models during the 5th generation were too blocky to get away with appealing nudity, swearing wouldn't be common in more mature games until the 6th generation, and gore composed of splashes of pixelated blood that looked more like confetti.

@Ivegotsomewater81 6 месяцев назад

@@jlev1028 Hm let's see: Metal Gear Solid (1998) - lots of intense violence, language, and nudity. Grand Theft Auto (1998) - Also lots of violence and language with hints of pedophilia. Postal (1997) - YOU KILL THOUSANDS. Fallout (1997) - Extreme violence, language, and scenes of rape. Blood (1997) - Well, you can take a guess. Duke Nukem 3D (1996) - Violence and nudity. Harvester (1996) - Lots of extreme violence and nudity. Half-Life (1998) - Loads of violence. Grand Theft Auto 2 (1999) - You turn people into hotdogs. Sanitarium (1998) (T rated, but probably should have been rated Mature) - There’s a scene where you dig up a dead child in a hide and seek game. Though many Mature rated games of that time period would probably be T nowadays, there are still many older games that deal with adult topics that would definitely not warrant an E10+ or even a T rating.

@sibel9272 6 месяцев назад

@@Ivegotsomewater81 See also Conker's Bad Fur Day.

@Ivegotsomewater81 6 месяцев назад

@@sibel9272 Exactly, you get what I mean.