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IBM PS/2 Model 30 Part 1 

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@AnonymousFreakYT
@AnonymousFreakYT 4 года назад
My father brought one of those home from his work so he could work from home, dialing in to his work via 2400 baud modem. After it had become obsolete, he just kept it. We already had a PC clone (Leading Edge Model D) a PC/XT, and a Compaq Portable II in the house, but this was the first with a greater-than-8088 CPU! Later, right before OS/2 2.0 came out, I signed up for the beta program, and in order to have a system to run it on, I bought an Evergreen 386 CPU upgrade for it. Since it was a 386 running on a 286 bus, it was slow as molasses. And the system only had a 20 MB hard drive and 4 MB RAM, both the absolute bare minimums for OS/2 2.0. But it ran! While yours *CAN* run OS/2 1.x, that was the older 16-bit version co-developed by both Microsoft and IBM, and really isn't the OS/2 you're probably familiar with. OS/2 2.0 was the first "modern OS/2", 32-bit, and thus without a CPU upgrade, won't run on the 286.
@fnjesusfreak
@fnjesusfreak 4 года назад
It won't be entirely alien, at least. You got cmd.exe and such, and the look and feel is not unlike Windows 3.0 in most regards.
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
Awww bummer! Thanks for sharing your story!
@non-pupolarnewsreel7607
@non-pupolarnewsreel7607 4 года назад
Man that takes me back, that was the machine that sat on my desk when I started my first full-time programming job.
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
Yup, do you miss all the noises it makes?
@non-pupolarnewsreel7607
@non-pupolarnewsreel7607 4 года назад
@@databitsOh man, did that machine have character, from the hard drive spinning up to the floppy (we in South-Africa called it a stiffy [3 1/4'])-drive stepping once through and the satisfying beep once the memory check ran through. You could actually hear it crunching data as it read from and wrote to the hard drive. Remember to Park your Drive before you go home... (Wait, didn't it it park it's own drive head? I might be confusing it with my earlier Ollivetti there.) Ah the good old days.
@teacfan1080
@teacfan1080 2 года назад
Memories! When I went to college from 1992 to 1994, these 'puters were all over campus in the computer lab rooms.
@jimallen1485
@jimallen1485 4 года назад
Had one very similar back then. Used it to operate my business. Love the way you call it LOW END... damn thing was still nearly $5000 with a green screen monitor, a wide carriage pin printer. and an external 5.25 floppy... My accountant was impressed as it was better than his machine. Remember when you thought you could never fill a 20 meg HD?
@BlaBla-pf8mf
@BlaBla-pf8mf 4 года назад
At the time a Macintosh was between $6k and $10k, more expensive then some new sedans, so $2500 is not that bad.
@Kenny-bw2cz
@Kenny-bw2cz 4 года назад
I remember when I thought I would never fill a 20 mb HDD. But back then you would write text files or other files that were very small...
@zoomosis
@zoomosis 4 года назад
OS/2 1.3 was the last version of OS/2 to run on a 286. It should work on your PS/2 though finding it on 720K disks might be tricky. OS/2 1.x never had many apps written for it either, so might not be very useful, but you can run the OS/2 versions of Word and Excel on it. Or Microsoft C 6.0.
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
zoomosis - thanks for the tip!
@trr94001
@trr94001 4 года назад
The Model 30-286 came out before 1991. I got mine for Christmas of 1989.
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
He got confused with the release announcement for the submodel with a rare 45Mb HDD - It's also among the "third-generation PS/2s".
@MrBillmcminn
@MrBillmcminn 4 года назад
16x errors on IBM PS2 pc’s are related to ether a failed BIOS battery or hardware changes that need settings that to be need changed in the BIOS. PS/2 systems don’t have a built in configuration utility like standard PC’s. There were model specific reference diskettes for configuration of the BIOS. I don’t remember if the model 30 uses a reference diskette or if it was only the Microchanne models that used reference diskettes.
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
Yup, this one has a reference diskette. Found it online. It has a cool tour of your computer on it. Like “what’s a mouse do”?
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
@@databits Actually a "Starter Diskette" since it is an ISA model - only able to configure the time and date.
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra 4 года назад
20 MB HD in '91? Really? That sounds more like it was 1984, and let us not forget computer specs rose at like twice the speed they do today, or more...
@Lane42
@Lane42 4 года назад
Also, 8086 and '286 in 1991. You could get a decently spec'd 386SX with more memory and hard drive space for this price at that time. These systems were aimed at the IBM business customer who valued service and support over price.
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
@@Lane42 "These systems were aimed at the IBM business customer who valued service and support over price." Also as replacements of XTs and ATs that were running 5250 emulation adapters to connect to their System/36...
@yogevbocher3603
@yogevbocher3603 4 года назад
I bought a bunch of Dallas/Benchmark/Odin Chips - new old stack - all dead!
@choppergirl
@choppergirl 2 года назад
My dad chunked these in the dumpsters because they were proprietary microchannel and by then useless 286's (unable to do virtual memory) that halted on any boot error, but he saved the keyboards. I just scarfed 7 PS/2 Model M keyboards from het barn yesterday and am going to standadize on them. Typing one one now.
@nickwallette6201
@nickwallette6201 3 года назад
PSA: Replace the capacitors. The floppy drives all suffer from bad caps. PS/2s used Alps, Mitsubishi, and Sony as OEMs for the 720K and 1.44MB drives in that large 3.5” format. My M30-286 also came with a Sony, and it worked fine after a thorough cleaning and relube. The Alps drive in my M30 (8086) needed new caps. The Mitsubishi in my M70-386 had leaked so badly it needed trace repairs on the controller PCB and a ton of pad cleaning on the motor PCB. I bought a lot of 3 more Mitsubishi drives and it took three to cobble together one good one. All three had leaked and corroded the pads around them, but the one I got with the system was the worst. The other two drives need work on the stepper motors and a realignment. Those DBA hard drives have bad caps too. The one in my M30-86 worked much more reliably after a re-cap, but head #3 is still almost totally DOA. I get maybe 5% of that platter as usable - which I don’t trust at all. Heads 0-2 seem to be A-OK. The ESDI disk in my M70 had leaky caps, which I replaced. It still throws a controller error. Got a spare drive online and same leaky caps, replaced them, and same controller error. Might be the motherboard or riser, I dunno. The Model 70 PSU had leaky caps inside. Luckily it’s a single sided phenolic PCB so it didn’t do any damage. Recapped the whole thing and it’s doing great. The M30 and M30-286 PSUs seemed OK but I recapped them anyway. I had one tantalum cap blow, so I replaced all of them on the motherboards of all my PC, XT, AT, and PS/2 machines. (LOTS of 10u/16V caps!) Also replaced the tantalums on the Shugart drives, MDA, CGA, EGA, I/O, controller, and RAM cards. With just the few exceptions above, the rest of that old stuff is running 100% OK now. Capacitor replacement is a required skill for retro PCs. :-)
@OmegaWolf747
@OmegaWolf747 6 месяцев назад
I noticed that your PS/2 has a power switch on the front. When I was in high school, we had PS/2 Model 25s and I swear I remember them having a switch like yours, but all the pictures and videos of the 25 I see show it having a push power button instead.
@Ale.K7
@Ale.K7 4 года назад
Nice!
@nticompass
@nticompass 4 года назад
Be glad this thing doesn't have MCA. That means you can actually get cards and stuff for it. I have a PS/2 Model 50 with MCA, and good luck finding a sound card for that...
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
Yes, MCA is a pain
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
@@databits But if you are able to find adapters - very good community support.
@Hal9526
@Hal9526 4 года назад
Good video. It's nice for what it was, but it made absolutely no sense to spend $2500 on a machine like that in 1991. IBM were clueless.
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
So true. IBM got burned as cheaper, better clones stole the show.
@mrnmrn1
@mrnmrn1 4 года назад
I also have a Model 30, but with a 8086 CPU and I think 640K RAM. It has a 720K floppy drive, and AFAIK, it can't be upgraded to 1.44MB, because the BIOS does not support it. I hate the 720K drive, because 3.5" DS-DD disks are rare and quite expensive nowadays. I was lucky and bought a 10 pack of NOS Maxell for $7, the paper box is busted, but each disk is individually sealed in plastic bags, so they are probably OK (previously when I bought diskettes in an opened box, they went to the dumpster, because they were filled with dust and sand...). Someone said that the custom connector on these floppy drives resembles a ordinary, PC compatible interface, just with different pinout and with the power supply pins in the same connector. I'd be happy if it's true, because then I'd install a Gotek floppy emulator. I currently planning to put some software on it so I will be able to transfer files via the serial port.
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
"It has a 720K floppy drive, and AFAIK, it can't be upgraded to 1.44MB, because the BIOS does not support it." If you can find a working 1.44Mb drive of that proprietary connector - a drop-in replacement with any of the BIOS versions.
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
Sweet! Thanks for sharing! I’ve got a 2nd Gotek ordered. My first was a dud and I can’t return it.
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
My 8086-based Model 30 is maxed-out: NEC V30 replacement CPU, 8087, Trantor SCSI adapter, 1Gb HDD, IBM VGA adapter (with the V30 supporting the 80186 instructions in the video driver, Windows 3.0 in color), 4869-001 adapter and external 360Kb 5-1/4" drive, primary floppy drive upgraded to 1.44Mb - but it has failed and is the only non-functional device currently on the system.
@mrnmrn1
@mrnmrn1 4 года назад
@@IBM_Museum Thanks a lot, good to know. I have an other, dead PS/2, maybe it's a model 50, I don't even remember what CPU it has. And it has a 1.44MB FDD in it. I'm not sure if the FDD connector is the same, but I remember the HDD connector is different. Both of my PS/2s are packed away, I have to dig them out to check it. Maybe on next weekend. My $7 DS-DD diskettes arrived. The individual packaging was open on one end, and it seems the surface of most disks is moldy...
@christo930
@christo930 4 года назад
OS/2 is not really the right OS for this machine. You really need at least a 386 for OS/2. It's been a LONG time, but I don't think you will even be able to run any Windows programs (inside OS/2) on it without V86 mode. No virtual memory either. Even really early versions of OS/2 are going to struggle on this machine. OS/2 2.1 is the best version, IMHO.
@zoomosis
@zoomosis 4 года назад
Did you say you can boot from the zip drive connected to the parallel port? I'm curious how that works.
@christo930
@christo930 4 года назад
No. It's a SCSI jazz drive. But you can boot from a Zip drive so long as it is SCSI.
@fnjesusfreak
@fnjesusfreak 4 года назад
OS/2 1.3 might work.
@maniatore2006
@maniatore2006 4 года назад
Wow that is a great Model. And realy Modern for a 286 PC My 286 is a Simple Desktop PC from 1988 The PC have a 20 MB HDD 640 K of RAM but to Upgrate it i need DRAM Chips but i don´t know what kind of... I have a VGA Card, 5,1/4 Floppy and 3,5 Floppy Drives. My HDD is in Great Condition. MY PC Works Fine with DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.0 Thank you for the Video.
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
Welcome! Glad others enjoy old PCs!
@MuhammadDaudkhanTV100
@MuhammadDaudkhanTV100 4 года назад
Nice 👌👍😍👏❤️
@Madness832
@Madness832 4 года назад
Still have a Model M on my modern PC. Couldn't think of using anything else!
@fnjesusfreak
@fnjesusfreak 4 года назад
I dig the M. Though right now I'm using a custom MX Blue board.
@catfishkempster
@catfishkempster 4 года назад
I had this very model - it was my first PC and already very outdated when I got it. The only difference I see between the two visually is that mine had a red power switch. Mine came with an additional 4 megs of expanded memory via an Intel Above Board ram expansion.
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
"...mine had a red power switch" Likely the 8086-based Model 30 (not the 286 version) then...
@catfishkempster
@catfishkempster 4 года назад
@@IBM_Museum No, it was the Model 30 - 286.
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
@@catfishkempster: OK, PS/2s are also visibly differentiated by power switch color - red being the "lesser". The red switch PSU for the 8086-based Model 30 version even have different connectors than the white switch - I'll take your word - it just seems unusual. BTW, the standard red switch version was 70 watts - I even have a clone 486DX case that the vendor modified to run this PSU!
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum 4 года назад
The red-switch/white-switch is used for the Model 30 vs. Model 30 286, Model 50/50Z vs. Model 70, and Model 60 vs. Model 80.
@catfishkempster
@catfishkempster 4 года назад
@@IBM_Museum I'm thinking the power supply might have been replaced in mine prior to my acquiring it. It was definitely this model (Model 30 286)
@etownAndy74
@etownAndy74 4 года назад
Yes to OS/2
@etownAndy74
@etownAndy74 4 года назад
Those power switch mechanicals, though.
@DreamGrandDragon
@DreamGrandDragon 4 года назад
the hard-drive maybe savable if you do a low-level format.
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
Tried it. I was able to salvage a whole 5mb of usable space! Woohoo!
@DreamGrandDragon
@DreamGrandDragon 4 года назад
@@databits that's a win-win in this situation as long as it's alive and well you can't ask for much more specially for at that age.
@Kenny-bw2cz
@Kenny-bw2cz 4 года назад
Those boot up sounds were sexxyyy... Lol I have 486 ps/2 I'm restoring.... Mine has the same problem with the Dallas battery .. so I need to do that hack just like you have done
@pelorios1999
@pelorios1999 4 года назад
Very nice your channel. I love your videos of VCR's. Can I have your email address please? I would like to ask you some questions about vcr because I love such devices
@rarbiart
@rarbiart 4 года назад
zipdrives: beware of the "click of death"
@databits
@databits 4 года назад
Yes indeed! I’ve heard it recently! This is my 2nd Zip drive!
@obsoletebutneat
@obsoletebutneat 4 года назад
Laclede Computer!
@MedicTheToaster
@MedicTheToaster 4 года назад
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