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ICBM - Alpha Strike [South American Turtle 1/2] 

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@kurumi394
@kurumi394 3 года назад
Don't put all of your eggs in one basket because if you get nuked they're all gone -Stealth17, 2020
@nilloc93
@nilloc93 3 года назад
words to live by
@villevalste1888
@villevalste1888 3 года назад
The other side of this is that, if you spread your assets too thinly over your territory, you won't be able to any of protect them.
@Shloomy_Shloms
@Shloomy_Shloms 3 года назад
This game seems a lot more interesting than DEFCON given the fact that you get to actually build and research things
@zagreus1249
@zagreus1249 3 года назад
Yeah and even better and more action packed
@captain61games49
@captain61games49 3 года назад
Was planning on playing deacon but I'm going to play this instead
@sevendythreerd5292
@sevendythreerd5292 3 года назад
its going free on october 7th foir a demo
@Robert0288
@Robert0288 3 года назад
DEFCON is also 15+ years old
@unnoticed4571
@unnoticed4571 3 года назад
@@Robert0288 Defcon also showcases the more cold and calculating part of nuclear war, where you're sitting in a bunker somewhere pushing buttons to make people die by the millions.
@Rabascan
@Rabascan 3 года назад
I believe that you needed far more SAM sites in order to turtle effectively.
@Wolfhound_81
@Wolfhound_81 3 года назад
Yeah I had a game where I completely turtled with dozens of SAMS in Europe and still some ICBMs came through. 2 SAM per city aren't enough.
@MrMattumbo
@MrMattumbo 3 года назад
Following real-life MAD doctrine you need a secure second-strike capability to deter enemies (or in this case since war is assured, to ensure you can gain more points after the outbreak of war). I'd invest in a decent boomer fleet (SSBNs) to continue the fight after your land-based assets are destroyed, assuming they're as stealthy in this game as they are IRL. It also looks like you can preserve detente for quite a while, it looked like the AI were happy to remain at peace until you fired the first shot. Being the first to strike may also be a factor that determines your allies' loyalty to you since they then come under attack themselves because of it. That's just speculation but it would be interesting to try a turtle playthrough where you don't strike first and see how the AI reacts, and see if more time allows a better defense and retaliation or if it just balances out due to the enemies' advancement.
@nilloc93
@nilloc93 3 года назад
I'd add on that it seems like second strikes are more powerful since you know the location of missile silos as soon as they launch, so your first barrage could be targeted with the cheaper 1 megatons at enemy launching ability with a followup attack on population centers.
@axbaron
@axbaron 3 года назад
This game would be awesome with a scenario editor, where you could draw out certain nations and assign the cities to teams. It would be awesome to see a game where the teams are drawn out between 1980s NATO, the Warsaw Pact, and China.
@banker8692
@banker8692 3 года назад
i believe that there will be other maps then the regular one and i know that people are already working on mods
@palpot1189
@palpot1189 3 года назад
The rationale behind MIRVs is not only that it's harder to stop multiple warheads, but that the effectiveness of a single, large warhead was smaller than that of several smaller ones. For example you can do more damage to a larger area with 5 x 10 megaton warheads than with 1 x 50 megaton.
@brianbiesemeyer9719
@brianbiesemeyer9719 3 года назад
That is the most accurate thing you could say. The reason os because with a single 50 megaton, you can only hit one area of the city, but the blast is big. With 5 10 mgatons, it can hit different key points of the city. Also if the MIRVs seperate early enough, they could hit different cities. For example a single MIRV ICBM could possibly hit New York, Boston, and Philidelphia. O think.
@jaywerner8415
@jaywerner8415 3 года назад
Interesting how the game is pretty quite, until you start dropping bombs. Nice to see the DEFENSIVE side of things is almost as powerful as the OFFENSE.
@helveticanull6705
@helveticanull6705 3 года назад
Even though the trade-off is heavily skewed to one side, there is a trade-off between upgrading SAM and ABM tech and building more SAM sites. For an extreme example, if you only focus your efforts on getting SAM and ABM tech, you will have no sites, and your air defense will be nonfunctional. Basically, just upgrading your tech is not sufficient and you need to build more SAM sites for an effective defense.
@Crimethoughtfull
@Crimethoughtfull 3 года назад
I'm not playing this game (yet...anyway), just watching our bud Stealth...so, how many SAM sites would you have?
@hyunbeankim6058
@hyunbeankim6058 3 года назад
I kind of wish it was a just one video. (cause i cannot wait for another day to watch part 2 hehe) love this game keep it up Stealth!
@kennymyhre6606
@kennymyhre6606 3 года назад
Same!
@AlphaNumericKey
@AlphaNumericKey 3 года назад
Watching you attempt to hold off a nuclear retaliation with seven sam sites was great. The sheer speed at which you discover the issues of Missile Primacy in strategic warfare is genuinely hysterical!
@infinitehonkworks195
@infinitehonkworks195 3 года назад
you probably ate all those hits because you focused more on defending the cities, rather than the path the missiles would be following you had a fraction of your SAMs firing when you could have had all of them doing so
@Stealth17Gaming
@Stealth17Gaming 3 года назад
I live and I learn
@krios4141
@krios4141 3 года назад
I think a handfull SAM sites on the eastern coast and a couple more inland to catch stragglers would be rather effective i think.
@fvmarrafon
@fvmarrafon 3 года назад
@Stealth17, as a Brazilian it shine my eyes seeing you protecting South America. Save the rain forest.... 😁
@Stealth17Gaming
@Stealth17Gaming 3 года назад
I watched David Attenboroughs documentary on Netflix yesterday. The rainforest definitely needs saving, just not from nukes :(
@fvmarrafon
@fvmarrafon 3 года назад
Stealth17 Gaming unfortunately a sad truth. Man, you have a child at home and you find time to work, play and watch movies. You are my hero.
@Stealth17Gaming
@Stealth17Gaming 3 года назад
@@fvmarrafon Thanks. I've found that it's comfortable to combine making videos with having a child. I can work when I have time between other activities (feeding/diapers etc.). Makes it very flexible.
@drtidrow
@drtidrow 3 года назад
14:55 Boosted fission really should come before thermonuclear, as it really applies to enhancing the yield of fission weapons.
@novatopaz9880
@novatopaz9880 3 года назад
Tactical nukes in the game are already boosted fission based on their yield(100kt)
@achtsekundenfurz7876
@achtsekundenfurz7876 3 года назад
Exactly (to both previous comments). "Boosted fission" is a technology which exploits the interaction between fission and fusion. Fission relies on neutrons (the more the better) and releases high energy but far fewer neutrons than fusion (about 3 per mass 239 nucleus, let's call it 1:80). Fusion is the opposite and requires lots of energy. It releases more energy and a lot more neutrons (1 per two nuclei of mass 6 IIRC, 1:12). Therefore, fission can initiate fusion, which in turn releases extremely many neutrons, boosting fission considerably. Boosted fission devices have small pockets of lithium to improve fission reactions, and all newer nuclear weapons of the first-rate powers (US/UK/USSR) incorporate that design. Thermonuclear devices are the ones known as "hydrogen bombs" where a much more powerful fusion stage is ignited by a fission device (itself usually a boosted design), increasing the yield at least tenfold. These are usually coated with another commercial-grade uranium layer, which is fissioned by the extreme neutron output of the fusion reaction. About half the increased yield comes from that outer layer. Today, almost ALL nuclear devices of the US/UK/USSR are thermonuclear. The savings in weapon-grade material compared to the yield are so high that anything else can't compete, except at very low yield, and at that end of the scale, fusion devices are in use for another reason: because the neutron radiation provides more "kill power" at the same yield. BTW, those are often called "neutron bombs" - and their design wasn't meant to reduce explosive yield. The primary design criterion was to _provide maximum effect_ even if that meant sacrificing traditional yield in favor of neutron output.
@jaisjsdnhsiddhej1300
@jaisjsdnhsiddhej1300 3 года назад
Binge watching stealth playing ICBM and UAD is my go to thing now
@NixodCreations
@NixodCreations 3 года назад
14:22 you could probably have a fair bit of success using satellites as one-shot recon, since most land installations don't move.
@juancruzaraujo8839
@juancruzaraujo8839 3 года назад
I am from Buenos Aires and I say kill all the bugs ... wrong movie. For those who do not know, Buenos Aires is not the capital of Argentina, it is the capital of the Socialist Banana Republic of Peronia
@danielross7983
@danielross7983 3 года назад
SAMs to protect your silos from your allies who know where they are and also know where your sams are
@Ufnv1
@Ufnv1 3 года назад
Also protect OTH radars, they are your eyes!
@zorkwhouse8125
@zorkwhouse8125 3 года назад
I know (if I'm remembering right here) some real world "over the horizon" radar systems actually bounce the radar waves up and off either the upper atmosphere or the earth's ionosphere (sp?) and that allows them to get around the limitations imposed by the curvature of the earth. They have to be super super powerful for the radar waves to carry that distance - and I'm not sure if the radar waves actually bounce back the same way or if these systems depend on receiving stations forward of the main array that can pick up the returns. Also - Europe fired a single missile at you while Africa was shooting at you, not sure if you saw that one come in too.
@Ufnv1
@Ufnv1 3 года назад
You have nearly no SAM sites...
@brianadams7903
@brianadams7903 3 года назад
I'm digging this game. I think I'll check it out when it comes out in November. Thanks for introducing me to this game
@maxsteele20
@maxsteele20 3 года назад
This game looks a lot of fun...
@nikolajderburner7150
@nikolajderburner7150 3 года назад
Quinn is quite active, i hear? Nice to hear. 🙂✌🏻
@zorkwhouse8125
@zorkwhouse8125 3 года назад
I just heard you mention a listening out for a baby monitor so.. Holy crap... wait a min. Has the baby been born? If so, some how I missed it.. If so for heaven's sake - congrads daddy Stealth!!! Everything going ok so far? **If I'm jumping the gun slightly then I'll keep my eyes open better this time and will repeat when the baby is born lol For some reason I was thinking you'd said the baby was coming later in Oct or Nov... but I've had a lot of stuff going on in the last couple months and I absolutely realize I could be off on that (and obviously if baby Stealth is here then I clearly have). Either way - very exciting, and very happy for you both. As always, best wishes and best of luck man, but I have a feeling you guys are going to do fine. :-)
@Stealth17Gaming
@Stealth17Gaming 3 года назад
Thanks! Quinn is 4 weeks old today.
@achtsekundenfurz7876
@achtsekundenfurz7876 3 года назад
That's another life to protect... :P
@sampokokkonen4919
@sampokokkonen4919 3 года назад
Awesome video once again. Love your content and yearning for more :) Especially ICBM.
@craigmacintosh6230
@craigmacintosh6230 3 года назад
Hello. 1st, Comgrats to you and Mrs Stealth on the wee one (minds me of my wee bearings years back lol) 2nd, Cracking vid again thank you.
@themacker894
@themacker894 3 года назад
Does anyone know if your economy suffers as your people die? That would certainly make sense to me.
@Wibblefish94
@Wibblefish94 3 года назад
It does indeed, research and construction takes longer.
@themacker894
@themacker894 3 года назад
@@Wibblefish94 Fantastic! Thanks for the info. Better to protect one's citizens, then. ;)
@norsia1946
@norsia1946 3 года назад
I feel like your turtling strategy wasn't as effective as you thought. because you kind of half cocked it. the whole purpose of a turtling strategy is to make yourself as hard to kill as possible. you didn't do that. you protected like, 2-3 important areas and left yourself a massive soft spot to constantly pummel/funnel pain through. and while your defense is focused on that the missiles targeting your real defenses can slip through. TLDR; Not nearly enough SAM in the right spots, not close enough to support each other adequately. And you were not prepared for the sheer saturation of nuclear fire Africa was going to throw at you.
@Nekomancer69
@Nekomancer69 3 года назад
I love the turtle strategy.
@TheSpektralOne
@TheSpektralOne 3 года назад
looks like double stacking AA for ABM work might be a solid plan
@achtsekundenfurz7876
@achtsekundenfurz7876 3 года назад
03:56 "Manila" _LOL_
@nilloc93
@nilloc93 3 года назад
I would place your facilities farther away from cities, that way if the city does get nuked it doesn't take out all the emplacements Seems like the AI is unwilling to start the fighting, as soon as you launched every AI went nuts attacking each other, I'd recommend having secondary launcher to fire immediate counter attacks against hostile silos and a much larger missile stockpile before you start attacking people. Also more SAM sites and possibly some method of taking out enemy ships with your missiles since I saw a few boomers off your west coast bombing the USA who will likely hit you next.
@Frost-01
@Frost-01 Год назад
..... you rushed, and fired first which was the very thing you shouldn't do if your going to turtle.
@brianbiesemeyer9719
@brianbiesemeyer9719 3 года назад
Are SAM sites for shooting down planes or missiles? Also, 9:50: I'm pretty sure MIRV actually means Multiple Indipendantly-targetting reentry vehicles. Not that it really matters though.
@Stealth17Gaming
@Stealth17Gaming 3 года назад
Both, depending on whether you have ABM (anti-ballistic missile) researched
@brianbiesemeyer9719
@brianbiesemeyer9719 3 года назад
@@Stealth17Gaming I see. Thanks!
@whyme943
@whyme943 3 года назад
Surprised you didn't go for more radar techs before going for offence.
@Stealth17Gaming
@Stealth17Gaming 3 года назад
It's tricky. I want to be defensive but I also want to make an exciting video. It's a tricky balance to get both.
@alvezep
@alvezep 3 года назад
São Paulo 10 million people? Smaller than BA? ... São Paulo metropolitan region has around 21 Million people.
@tegtmeierarvid4216
@tegtmeierarvid4216 2 года назад
Last comment was from over a year ago... Well here I am
@sgxbot
@sgxbot 2 года назад
the good old d in abm that stands for defense. i dont know but in my language a defense at the end of something means its a counter to the thing mentioned first same goes for the word anti in the beginning. so anti balistic missile would be a counter/defense to balistic missiles. so would the balistic missile defense. but having a anti balistist missile DEFENSE or ANTI balistic missile defense it would be something to defense against anti balistic missiles. so a missile made to intercept the missile that was launched to intercept your balistic missile. is that just my language being weird or english being weird?
@robertburnston6586
@robertburnston6586 3 года назад
You had a good amount of offensive strike weapons but not enough defensive advanced strike weapons.
@jakubczapinski7283
@jakubczapinski7283 3 года назад
you need more SAMs radars Air base or two
@ANO-.-NYM
@ANO-.-NYM 3 года назад
should have put your Northern SAM sites nearer to the East Coast closer with Africa
@yumpinyiminy963
@yumpinyiminy963 3 года назад
Maybe a bit more defensive and better SAMS before you attack?
@SWBB1000
@SWBB1000 3 года назад
Would assume the advance Sam version would do the better job at shooting down the ICBM
@doktork3406
@doktork3406 3 года назад
Surprised they even work to be honest MIRV will be much harder to stop though...well impossible to stop but some degree of success might happen
@fernandomiranda5413
@fernandomiranda5413 3 года назад
In real life the great São Paulo is have 10m people more than Buenos Aires. But in this game Buenos Aires is bigger. Who understand
@raphaelr.5904
@raphaelr.5904 3 года назад
Stealth, can you play AW (Armored Warfare) again?
@brianbiesemeyer9719
@brianbiesemeyer9719 3 года назад
Hi
@doktork3406
@doktork3406 3 года назад
You had wayyy too few SAM sites
@kineuhansen8629
@kineuhansen8629 3 года назад
? can you invade countrys in icbm
@Stealth17Gaming
@Stealth17Gaming 3 года назад
Nope. Only destroy.
@huberthepner3754
@huberthepner3754 3 года назад
Not so turtle
@Nekomancer69
@Nekomancer69 3 года назад
You need improved sam sites
@Stealth17Gaming
@Stealth17Gaming 3 года назад
25:31
@Ufnv1
@Ufnv1 3 года назад
Stealth just needs 3x more of them :)
@Nekomancer69
@Nekomancer69 3 года назад
@@Ufnv1 he should have waited until he got his defences more built up.
@matir7396
@matir7396 3 года назад
Thats false, in buenos aires we dont have any missile defenses, they should have all striked hahaha
@NexusWarior211
@NexusWarior211 3 года назад
Well the game isn't exactly realistic, as it just potrays all the continents as unified countries who can all match or catchup with each other technology wise. As you can imagine it would be quite stupid to play this game as a continent that has no way to build nukes for example.
@MrChaosProf
@MrChaosProf 3 года назад
So if I have Supreme Commander 1, why should I play this game? It may have a Sci-Fi setting, which not everybody likes, but it also has naval and air strategies, base building and nukes, all with this big global flavor, too. On top, you get big experimentals and a waaaayyyy better graphical presentation, although supreme commander is a few years old. It has everything ICBM has going for itself but better.
@doktork3406
@doktork3406 3 года назад
It takes way longer to get nukes up and running in SupCom1 while having decent air defense and stuff It took him 30min to set up one hell of a battery here The thing is , in SupCom1, if one nuke hits, it's pretty much a knockout You're managing a continent here so you can take many many hits without instantly losing
@brianbiesemeyer9719
@brianbiesemeyer9719 3 года назад
Hi
@JustADudeWithAnUnnecessaryName
@JustADudeWithAnUnnecessaryName 3 года назад
hi
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