Idaho Murders: Deep dive into evidence, Bryan Kohberger arrest affidavit |  

Naw. I disagree. How did he get in the house. Seems like roommate set them up for some unknown reason. People use knifes for vendetta like oj Simpson. Some type of dispute.

From my personal experience, extreme fear /shock can make a person ‘like catatonic’, immobilized, brain-confounded or even shut down. People on talk radio and social media, even opinion reporters on tv questioned as to why she didn’t call police immediately- which infuriated me as people just don’t understand ,as they fortunately have not been through domestic violence, stranger violence/stalking/kidnapping...every person might respond differently- go into denial and solitude,get major panic attack and be in bathroom or cover up in bed , hide in closet, seek safety in bed and brain puts you to sleep to calm the trauma. This case will always be in my mind from my past situation-it was a trigger for my brain of things I felt I had worked through- so much prayers for the survivor who saw the man, for all the parents,family and friends ; more prayers to ask for strength, discernment, awareness, composure, calm.

I agree totally.... from the minute the affidavit was released..... I think she heard them being killed and was terrified. She may have been cowering in her closet terrified.

@@Coco-de2ei I'm inclined to agree. Sadly, I can't help but to wonder if the witness isn't an accomplice. The delay in calling police especially, as if waiting to make sure the others were dead... It just sounds suspicious.

@@Coco-de2ei that's just cruel....

@ECBH understandably so but covid masks has made that an everyday occurrence to see people in masks and if I read it correctly it states that the mask covered his mouthand nose, so I'm waiting to hear if it was a balaclava type mask or covid type mask. We only came off mandated mask wearing in September 2022 in Botswana, and still some people feel comfortable to still wear masks.

Normal people do not go to bars in a new place they just moved to and invite strangers to their house to BBQ in the middle of the night... unless they are horny guys bringing women over and having orgies...so..did they have orgies?

@ECBH awwe you are such a kind person. No thats why we have discussions and think what might have happened, we speculate and cocus and we get perspective from other people which is so good and thought provoking. Because we each bring our life experiences and how we view situations but then you hear other human beings experiences and it make us think.

@Barry Suss No its just a very small farming community that still greets and meets everybody like they are friends. In south africa it is how it used to be and no it was husband and wife that went out. I know I'm a city girl and inherently more aware of the stranger danger, but country folks (which they were) see everyone as a new friend and believe in old fashioned hospitality. But I digress, all I want to say is that people are different and they react and act different and we should keep that in mind when hearing the prob cause affidavit which only contains the bare necessary points, and all the witness testimonies and explanations will still come out in the trial. we can at best speculate and draw from our own experiences to try and understand but we still have not walked a mile in anyone shoes so it is at best speculation.

Exactly 💯

People cannot possibly think this woman would knowingly shut her door and ignore an event if she thought something horrible had happened! Not to mention, this is the one and only WITNESS! If not for her, no one would be any the wiser there was someone she didn't know in the home and was able to give a description that it was a man and what he looked like. Why don't any of these people in the media come to her defense & talk about the invaluable information she was able to provide as opposed to wasting their time speculating away about her It's irresponsible and is what is contributing to those who want to find fault w/her.

I agree. I remember sing 20 years old.She was terrified, afraid to come out of her room to see what had happened, but didn't know for sure if something had happened. She wasn't thinking about the police. She was just scared and confused.

I would still be in the hospital, drugged up if that happened to me.

I really like your comment about this poor girl. I am sure she was shocked and afraid. IT IS NOT her fault at all.

@isabel lind you know when evil is around and you phone the cops when evil departs not your friends. DM saw evil leave for crying out aloud. I can understand you wait for 1 or 2 hours to see whether he returns and because you are shocked but 7 to 8 hours and then you phone your friends. Please give me a break. I've been in similar situation(s) it does not wash with me. Something is terribly off.

Because the other one didn't see the guy

100% and sad anyone needs to be told this.

Agreed. They make too many assumptions in this.

If you need to talk yourself down from being In that much fear, wouldn’t you go see if your roommates saw him, or at least text them, or aak why someone was crying and who needed help? I’m really looking forward to hearing more info because that response doesn’t make sense with what we currently know.

@@rationalskeptic1 for me personally? No. Have you never been terrified of something before? Or had severe anxiety over something? In this case, IF any of this were even true about her thought process at the time. This is just my personal theory and nothing I know for fact. But part of my personal logic would be not only explaining away his appearance but also justify who and why he was there. I’d tell myself he was with one of my roommates, maybe I didn’t hear what I thought I heard. Or maybe this guy was with one of your roommates and they got in a fight causing the girl to cry. (remember DM was asleep and I don’t think she knew who came back when or with who. Totally normal for a college house like this. Also, there were parties at this house with none of the people who lived there even being present) I didn’t always know who my roommates had in their personal room with them. And if I looked out in the hall in the middle of the night, in the dark, and saw a figure I would have frozen also which is my personal stress response. But once the person left and the adrenaline left I’d explain to myself that he was coming out of my roommates bedroom and walking, not running, to an exterior door. Is that really that odd of an occurrence when you think about the few facts we do know at this time? Again, it’s all just my personal theory and something I think could explain the time difference.

@@rationalskeptic1 sorry for all my rambling. But also to point out, we all know what this guy did. And yah if you look at the situation with what we know he did, it’s explained as a violent murderer walking toward you. That’s terrifying and logically brings up the question of why wouldn’t you call 911. We critique her actions with knowledge that she did not have at the time this happened. She didn’t know it was a killer coming at her. It was just a college aged guy in her house. So, I think the initial shock is going to cause a second of panic and initiate your fight flight or freeze response. Which that shock explains her initial fear that explains her locking herself in her room. But panic does not stay with us. Fight flight or freeze is a short instinctual response and can not be sustained by the human body or mind. This was a small college town. They hadn’t had a murder in this county in multiple years. They probably didn’t even have much crime. So I just don’t think that’s where your mind initially goes if you have no real reason to believe that it’s a murderer in your house. You believe you are safe because the town is safe, you live with a bunch of people, there is a dog in the house. It would not have stopped barking if there was an intruder, at least that’s kind of a logical thought even if it isn’t true. Also, when you are young and in college you think you are invisible. Personal safety or the safety of other people is not always at the forefront of your mind. I put myself in multiple scenarios that could have turned out horrifically for me when I was in college. And had something happen it would have been very easy for people to think “why did she decide to do that? That’s obviously not a smart idea. I would have never put myself in a position like that.” Cause it is easy to look at a situation in hindsight and point out what people should have or shouldn’t have done.

that is so horrible, I'm grateful you and your loved ones weren't hurt.

I feel like that whenever I go camping!

My mom was home alone sick and someone broke in to steal. She ran to her room, grabbed her rifle, and fired a warning shot as he was breaking the window. She told him to leave or she would kill him. He left.

@@TheParentTeacherBridge looks like she chose to fight. Or, had the ability. Unfortunately, everyone has a different reaction and many will freeze in a situation like this. Thank goodness for your mother having a good fight instinct. I truly believe becoming a mother really enhances that instinct with most women.

Yes. That happened to me. I was under my bed for 4 hours not being able to move. I was so frightened.

Terrifying. Praying for these families.

Yep'

I really just don’t understanding the roommate who seen the killer like WTF! really! I’m so lost

@@arness2426 Right, things are not as they would seem.

@@arness2426 I believe the killer, had a vendetta against the 4 victims. He may have been rejected by the females, one rejection too many, they may have laughed at him, his psychology couldn't handle that, being, in his own mind Super intelligent, how dare people laugh at me, they dont know my capabilities, it has been written that he was at a party at that home, he took particular notice of Maddie! he said to a guy talking to him at this party that he was bored & was going for a walk around the house, INSIDE, so he knew the layout, WHY, unless you had something going in your head, planning! What a thoroughly gruesome b stard! (Kaylee was only going to be there that night before going to Texas to start a job.)

They are kids. Probably their first experience of this type. You don't know how you would react until you're in that situation

He did circle back around the house after it was over. He may have been intending to go back for the sheath but changed his mind. It's in the affidavit, he circled back!

I also wonder if he was chemically altered

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@@deliajones9541 WHATTTTTTTT???????

He killed 2 that night

They will need alot of help. Its all so sad.

his family is only now just realizing that they are blood related to a serial killer/sociopath....SMH

I agree

Specially if any of them remember seeing that army sheath.

Why? Motivation

Amen! If they were to release info to ANYONE just for the sake of not upsetting people is what SAVED THIS CASE!! BECAUSE if they released any evidence just to fill the public in they'd also be telling the suspect the info they had in order for him to think he needed to hide better or get away... they did everything right in my opinion. They led him to believe he was getting away with it. Smart.

Betty Boo

How was Bryan able to kill 2 people sleeping next to each other? ESPECIALLY athletic people like xana and Ethan? You're telling me there was no fight or altercation that occurred between Ethan and Bryan? And roommate D didn't hear any of this commotion? I just have sooooooo many questions. Like how did he not leave a blood trail behind? After brutally murdering FOUR people with ONE KNIFE, how was he not absolutely COVERED in blood? How did his skinny body have the stamina and strength to viciously murder 4 people with that 1 knife? It's been said by people very knowledgeable about knives that once a knife is bluntly forced into skin, blood, bone, cartilage etc, it gets blunt at the tip. So meaning each murder had to be done harder than the one before it because of how much "work" the knife had to do on each person. How was he so confident that the back sliding door would be unlocked? What were his plans had that door been locked? These were all young, beautiful, and active young adults in their prime. Morals aside, I just can't wrap my head around how he was able to do this?

@@mamacraycrayI am

Innocent till proven guilty

It really is tragic no matter what you can do someone can always get to you.

AND he obviously knew exactly which rooms to go in. Somebody must have told him that info. I believe he had an accomplice.

and these are supposed to be the carefree days of your child's life, with the promise that if they work hard they can achieve anything. That is until you meet the Nicholas Cruzes and Kohberger of this world that not only kills these kids but also traumatize a whole generation out of envy because they have some sort of evil within them.

Dudes with few friends, no girl friends, hang out at bar and cannot connect with women. Angry incels.

Unfortunately we can't send our children to bed and guarantee thier safe anymore. Not safe at home, at school, concerts, even playing in your front yard! Disgusting world are children live in now!

Mostly like agree with you

Then why did she open her door 3 times and freeze in fear? He had to been covered in blood too.

​@@Anonymous-bq6liI'm thinking if it's dark, he's in all black, you are not gonna see blood.

@@Among_Us_71 it must not of been too dark because she said he bushy eyebrows. I think I would notice blood before eyebrows.

BS...girl crying man in mask leaving and you don't go check. Stupidity!

This is why I don't trust white people 😒 and the main stream media 😒 Especially weirdos with no social skills who have master's degrees They may be intelligent but lack a soul

we can't assume anything. he is still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law!

@@remblepee931 No need to assume, the arrest dec is available for anyone who wants to read it, for free, online.

"Presumed innocent" does not mean "assumed innocent" or actually innocent.

@@remblepee931 I love how the court of public opinion has realized they were screaming "GUILTY!" way too much at whomever was arrested for whatever just for simply being charged and detained... NOW for THIS suspect, THIS horrendous crime, you all want to pull back and use the "innocent until proven guilty" part of the U.S. justice system. 🤯

Nah she had something to do with it why else wouldn’t you call police or testify all your points are bs

@@Analuaj Anal, get your head out of the toilet.

Id be more likely to agree with you about thinking it was a frat boy who someone knew, if she hadnt stated she heard crying, the line about helping someone, and the thumping. We also know she looked out the door three times, and said she "froze" as this person walked by her, before she retreated to her room and locked the door. To me, thats not in anyway a normal interaction with someone a person thinks is a casual friend or frat boy lol. People react to horrifying situations differently. While I find it very odd that she waited 8 hours to call police, it doesnt mean she thought the situation wasnt a serious one. I honestly feel awful for her, because she has to live with her decision for the rest of her life, not knowing if one or more of the victims may have been saved. I hate saying that, but id always think about that if it were me. This case is so awful. Its as tragic as any other murder, but what a waste of life, and if this Kohberger did it, as it looks like hes a very good suspect, he not only took the lives of four innocent people, he threw his own life away for NOTHING. Psychosis or not.

@@chocolatetownforever7537 the cops said they were fucked up with big big holes. i can understand if she stayed silent in her room through fear. they need 'text 911' then these gen y folks would be all over it. no noise - text them.

@@moaningpheromones Well I agree with you. I think she was afraid that night. As I said, I dont buy the theory that she thought it was a frat boy, nor do I believe the ridiculous theory that she thought it was a Doordash person. Ive never had an Uber Eats OR Doordash driver come into my house to deliver. Its always at the door or on the street, and Id bet that these companies do not want their drivers going into homes, because of possible liability from being robbed or injured by some whackjob, or the driver being accused of wrongdoings themselves.

Totally possible.

Not with a robber ski mask on That’s an intruder robber rapist killer type mask So their face can’t be seen

Or she became completely paralyzed with fear, locked herself in her room, and didn’t come out until she heard a familiar voice. So tragic..

And if all drunk, bedroom doors closed, assume sleeping it off. But denial of horror, patterns of couple behavior, individual behavior when drunk. Past involvement shutdowns, irritation at being woke the millionth time. Subtle sounds more scary possibly, lots of of things can add up, even self hatred that didn't react more empathetically. Trial info will clarfy.

Why would she be panic stricken?

Yeah I think he was probably exhausted and was worried about the noise that had been made and obviously once seeing her probably thought she had already called 911. So awful. So, so awful.

On another site, the person investigated how many searches on line had be done for each girl and DM had none. Other of the women had as many as 70. This needs to be verified. Speaks to stalking.

Also I have read of other situations of dangers where the villain does not see the person. Perhaps, the Lord blinded the perpetrator. You may ask why he found the other 4; I cannot explain. I hope DM is thanking God.

First they said survivors were on first floor but affidasaid DMm was on second floor ? What is it

There was first a dog killed, then a single woman killed by knife on the 13 th then a couple also on the 13 nth wow all in tote northwest

Cold cases are being solved after 50 years now, due to DNA technology. All new crimes will be easier to solve. There will be much fewer cold cases. DNA technology advancements are a game changer. Murderers will get caught much more frequently and much more easily from now on. The days of getting away with murder are just about gone.

It isn't over

@@DR.DisInfect so far lots of circumstantial. And the lawyer will try to get the case moved to Boise to get a non biased jury. Sometime next year he will plead guilty and be sentenced to death that will take another 5-10 years of appeals.

He ain't pleading guilty or getting a partial jury , he get lwop IMHO.

Yeah, it's really crazy that this was almost a cold case all because of implicit bias and passive white behavior from the police in Idaho. How many times the dumb white cops had that white trash* dead to rights, and let him leave all because he is white* it's just crazy! If the dumb white cops did 40% of their job they would have notice how crazy and guilty that lunatic looks!

Yeah, J.B. is pretty likeable as well as super professional.

Because airlines were shut down in the area to fly him out ... Airlines lied about reason so they don't have to refund tickets

This is why I don't trust white people 😒 and the main stream media 😒 Especially weirdos with no social skills who have master's degrees They may be intelligent but lack a soul

They are absolutely fantastic! Their commentary and presentation are top-notch

Me too I think it's Miami.

F** “NewsNation”. Every single day they loved to push a police hating narrative; the case was cold, L.E had no leads, didn’t do their job, etc . The lovely Newsnation also cut guest mid sentence when a world-renowned detective wouldn’t help push their bullshit narrative . They’re a joke. *NN rant over*

He was probably studying the intended targets and house....preparing.

Exactly what I think. Intellectual knowledge does not equate to experience in any discipline.

The police have phone data of his showing he was in the same location as the 4 students, shadowing their movements, watching them, hate in his black heart, I believe it boils down to being ridiculed by the girls because he may have asked one out, & he was rejected one too many times, damn psycho!

@@theresanault5219 Yes. The proverbial 'book smart vs. street smart' at work.

@@marshadavies8440 I believe that might have happened? I think he was after Maddie not Kaylee? She worked at the restaurant in town that serves vegan. He said he like to shop in Idaho. Kaylee had defensive wounds because she fought back. I dont think she was targeted? This guy is crazy!

Someone was always in that house all the time and at all hours. When you have multiple roommates that all always have people over, you don’t know every single person your roommates know. She probably has seen many people in that house she didn’t recognize many times. She had no reason to believe any of her roommates were dead or harmed in any way at that point or that the person she saw wasn’t a guest of a roommate that was just leaving.

@@Holly12245 you have no idea that any of what you’re saying is truth. You have never been to that house or met anyone that lived there. You don’t know any more than the person you’re attempting to correct. Touch grass etc peace be with you

She looked out the door 3 times, that's a lot of times to peep out.

She heard the dog bark, and heard crying all before seeing the guy. She peaking out either because she knows what's going on because she let him in herself or because she suspects something is wrong. If it was the latter she should have called the cops, if she was truly in fear for her life she would have called somebody.

@@brandichristopher8521 Y E S

I agree. I'm way to lazy to be out killing people.

Amy, please, you are a True Crime sweetheart, and you are chasing these killers from dawn to dusk, and therefore, wouldn't you say that it is one of the more enjoyable things you do in life? Please understand, I am not being critical.

He came back ??? Oh that’s terrifying!!!

That's exactly what I think! I think he was contemplating what to do.

Where did you read it?

@Glory Days Another channel disputed this-they said the cell phone pinged on a nearby tower but police don't think he/his phone was actually present

@Glory Days that is very scary

If it were two males who witnessed and survived this, waited over 8 hours to call police only to report an unconscious person when they were obvious dead bodies laying in the floor and the smell of blood in the air, would police have been so quick to dismiss them as suspected?

​@@phillipstroll7385 Exactly. "Don't ask me, I'm just a girl" is going a long way in this one.

Don’t be talking about something you know nothing about

Shock is a real thing. I witnessed a homicide/ suicide (my parents). I remember snippets of things but not the whole thing. I had no idea what to do after so I sat on our front porch & waited for my grandparents to come. Granted, there was no 911 in those days but I never thought about calling LE.

This case seems so unreal

Agree

My heart goes out to the family and friends. And hope that justice is served in a timely manner

Thank you..✨🌹✨

It’s those Big Pharma eyes 👀

Jake Gyllenhall

Some of "those people" have you convinced that you elect them.

You don't. We don't even know if he is guilty. 🤣

He looks evil. His eyes are horrifying. Talk about textbook.

What about the noise and the barking

What I think too. The noise is just random things not made sense until after the fact.

I doubt the prosecution will allow her to take the stand.

Agreed

@@Zmdec12Dogs are stupid. They bark at things like air, mosquitos & fettuccine alfredo. Have you ever stayed in a house with a few college party girls? The noise never stops

the guilt e will be NOT getting help there ASAP to possibly save some lives . A locked door to your bedroom doesn’t make you safe BTW. She didn’t want to call cops if she was drinking or doing drugs

You don’t even know them, stop acting like you care😆.

@@caring-assoul_, You don't need to know ppl personally to have Empathy, and sympathy for these families, not sure who raised you !! Bless your heart!!

@@forpetessake3532 wow. Sounds like you where there. You are seriously unbelievable. Save your judgement and your words. You have absolutely no authority to speak on what happened inside that house and no right to blame the victim.

@@forpetessake3532 this is not call of duty, which by reading your reply is something I'm sure you're familiar with, so sit down and shut up

It seems like this was his 1st go at it hence all the steps taken

@@Mr30bopper "all the steps taken"?? You mean the stalking,and stuff?

@@Mr30bopper I watched a video(and damn,if I cannot remember the channel)🙄 but they hour long presentation was about stabbings,relatively in that area,that have connections to Vegan restaurants..😲 it was the couple that was attacked during the night(the wife survived)then there was an older lady attacked as well. Man,I wish I could remember that channel 😬 I think you'd really be interested in it..and surprised at the many similarities!

That’s a distinct possibility.

Yea this dude just needs to be put down. The world is a safer place without him in it. He can never be trusted to be released from prison. I hope Idaho does the right thing here.

They better expect to be grilled by the defense. Their testimony may be discarded.

I have no compassion for DM, it is possible that she is as guilty of causing the death of those people as he is. When people are in danger you don't lock your door and take your fanny off to bed unless you are a really selfish, miserable person.

@@WindsofChange She is not responsible for the deaths of these people, that's on the evil murderer! She is responsible for not calling for help ( could have called anyone to check out the place ) right after her encounter with the masked man!

PTSD from what? She said she didn't know what was going on. She didn't supposedly find out until 8 hours later. Blood running down the damn walls. Sure. She was cleaning the blood off of herself in the 8 hours.

@@WindsofChange there is no excuse why she never rang 911 ,if she was drunk the fear would of sobered her up ,she obviously knew it was strange seeing him all in black and a mask on ! she got up 3 times to open the door because of the noises she was hearing ,that tells me it was not something she was used to hearing or else shede of stayed in bed and not felt the need to go check,and then she waited nearly 8 hours to contact her FRIENDS ,not 911, sorry but none of it sits right with me,

@@alijay68 I agree totally. The only reasons that she'd just lock her door and go to sleep...is A) she's actually involved, B) She is selfish and the only one that really matters to her is her and as long as she's safe all is good, screw the people around her. C) she is so profoundly helpless and inept that she really shouldn't even be at college or even allowed out of her parents house without adult supervision.

@@YoungerDreyfuss The media is contributing by victimizing DM to suggest she did anything wrong based on the information they have, not to mention instead of using her as a scapegoat, they should be defending her as the only witness who was able to provide authorities the information there was an unknown person to her in the home as well as providing the only description of the alleged killer. Shame on anyone who finds any fault in this poor woman.

If that was the case, then why she stood frozen, shocked? Obviously she did see something that made her react that way. I'm sure the suspect was holding the weapon as he walked by, there is no way she didn't see that or any blood stain. I think she knows more than what she's saying.

@@jorgegarcia3635 me too. Makes no sense

EXACTLY

That makes perfect sense. Once she knew the end result she realized the significance of everything, but it makes perfect sense that in the moment her brain dismissed most of the sounds as relatively normal for the craziness that regularly went on in that house. Plus, if she was also drunk, which considering it was the weekend and the people in the house clearly regularly included a certain amount of drinking as part of their normal weekend routine, it's also possible there's a part of her that wondered if she was hallucinating, heard something later that made her think she could explain everything that calmed her down again, or even that she fell asleep immediately and even completely forgot what had happened the night before until she found out what had happened and the memory suddenly came back to her. As others have mentioned, on top of being potentially drunk or high and living in a party house that regularly had strangers coming in and out, it's also possible she was experiencing a certain level of trauma, and the brain can do some incredibly strange things in trauma that it would never do logically. I strongly suspect part of the reason a single killer was able to overpower a total of 4 people was because they were all drunk and mostly asleep at the beginning of the attack as well. That may have been part of his planning. Perhaps something they posted online combined with his previous surveillance told him they were drunk and asleep and were thus vulnerable even though from a pure numbers analysis he was certainly outnumbered. Whatever happened, I'm sure the explanation is legit. There's no way the two roommates who lived were in on this. I can't imagine the horror of waking up to find 4 of your 5 roommates have been murdered in the night. On one hand, you have to mourn the loss of your roommates. On the other hand, I bet you would also be constantly replaying the scene over and over in your head and would find it difficult to sleep for a very long time wondering why you survived and if the killer plans to come back and finish what he started. Then on top of that you have everyone online questioning your actions even though they are only getting part of it because the police are keeping your whole story quiet to make sure they don't compromise the investigation or trial, and some of those people are willing to dox you and even stalk you and your families. Just because a written explanation of an event seems confusing, it doesn't automatically follow that the explanation isn't completely true. Blood often isn't as obvious as people expect it to be. The sound of someone screaming or crying in a party house isn't that suspicious. In hindsight, it sounds incredibly suspicious, but these people weren't experiencing the live events with the benefit of hindsight. And a combination of trauma and potential drinking can explain all of the unusual questions that everyone seems to have in this case.

His father didn't know anything???

@@rosaliefinamore1377 I don't know. Seems hard to believe his father knew nothing. Why did he fly out to Washington?

Death Stare

Monster is too tame a name for this PSYCHO!

His body language speaks volumes. He literally has no care in the world about anything or anybody smh

If he smiled, people would call him a sicko. If he cried, people would say “guilty tears”

@@mtio2807 Fair point. There isnt really a right way to act in front of the camera. A face cant articulate innocence in a mugshot, and youre not going to be allowed to stop and do an interview to claim your innocence as youre being lead in handcuffs to a jail cell either. I would bet a buck, infact, that his own attorneys told him to show no emotion when in front of cameras, primarily because there is no way to look in that situation. As you stated, crying can be seen as guilt for being apprehended, and being angry and yelling at reporters can make you seem like a person who is rageful, and possibly look like someone who can take that rage out on others. I will also say this to those saying he seemed so cool. In atleast one of the clips I saw of him being lead by police somewhere, I noticed some sweat beads on his forehead, and to me his eyes seemed very wide open like he was scared. He certainly didnt look relaxed to me as he went to jail.

Right. Exactly.

this is what I was saying. People who have never come close to having their lives threatened to this capacity are pushing a savior complex. If I heard screaming and saw a masked man I'm running out of the house or hiding and not calling the police while he's still there because I would be way too scared to speak. The 911 call was also supposedly made for an unconscious person not the roommates who died so maybe she passed out from being that scared and in shock.

It can go both ways, but people deal with shock/deep fear differently.

If she had training to call 911 she might have operated on auto pilot - but without training - I can imagine she went into shock and couldn’t think or act

@@khnauticashakir9163 exactly! Plus maybe one or more of the four victims only got killed because they went to investigate the noise. We don't know barely any info yet people have made judgments since the murders happened.

Good luck finding a jury, after all this was released.

Agreed 👍🏻

People that judge so harshly have forgotten how young and stupid they once were. And still are, this can happen to anyone.

With a mask on ? Come on. Anybody seeing someone in a mask an a house at 4 AM should realize something is wrong

@@user-mx9tu9xd1b But what type of mask? I thought JB mentioned that it could have been a Covid type mask, which would not have stuck out. Or do we know it was a balaclava type mask?

@@dellahicks7231, it was reported by the housemate that it "covered his nose and mouth" and what she observed was his build, height, and "bushy eyebrows".

The surviving roommate was not drunk she hadn't left the house that night.

@@lisawindbigler2737 yes she did. There’s video footage of both surviving roommates at a taco truck that night before going home

Sorry not taco truck, it was pasta

@@j.z.j.1559 Okay so you feel like she had earbuds in but she hearf all of that stuff going on?

The guy was obsessed with criminology and wanted to think and feel like a real criminal so he killed them. What a selfish awful human being he is! He really thought he could get away with it!

amy, folks are only on loan to us, as Christ may call them home at any time. Every moment is precious, glorious ...and gone. Right now, WE ARE WITH YOU.

Yes, this case, that he, could rip their young lives from them for absolutely nothing at all, no reason, no malice towards them, no reason at all, just to do it.. he killed those young people just to do it... make a case for him. what a loser!

I agree with you. I’m so glad they found him so quickly. I am so thankful for the prevalent use of dna in genealogy and that so many people Re curious about their family history. Public databases are gonna make it real hard for any criminal not to be caught. I suspect that every family in America has at least one person who uploaded genetic info to the public databases.

I think this guy,want to get in Crimiology,so he was practicing on humans.Who knows,he would kill patients.Its so sad.

Interesting point. I also would like to know more about what he threw out in the neighbors trash bin, as police say they saw under surveillance. Unless it was an honest mistake, which seems unlikely, whatever he was throwing out that night had to be something he was worried about. Hes not going to that trouble if its a garbage bag full of potato peels and empty egg shells. Although as arrogant as this guy seems to be, maybe he was just messing with police if he knew they were watching him. Idk. Im pretty sure it wasnt the knife, because that would have probably been released in the affidavit, or leaked. What I do think is a possibility, and im totally speculating here, is maybe a pair of shoes with the diamond on the bottom was found, that matches a footprint at the crime scene. Now, maybe they would have released that info as well, but he seemed to not want police looking at his trash for some reason. I guess we will see.

The using right hand doesn't make sense. The videos I've seen the police are on Dad's side. So, of course, using the left hand to reach makes sense. Just like if drivers seat the person would use right.

@@marlene2996 I don't get what you are trying to say here.

I agree, that was some great reporting and dissecting of the evidence with many questions answered.

They would not have lived. Marine, retired FBI has stated one stab from this knife and you're dead. A combat knife used to kill.

You could be right about the boyfriend being the one who talked that night. I guess we will see in trial if she recognized the voice as his, or if it sounded like someone she didnt know. One thing that would support your theory is the thump. Did it occur after the help statement? If so, I guess it could be a possibility he was attacked without seeing the killer, and suddenly dropped. Trial will tell.

Nonsense, she could definitly be involved. You don't call the police hours afterwards. I get it if she was in shock witnessing the crime.

The fact that so many other students knew there had been a stabbing by 9.30am and before 911 were called is definitely off. The timeline is also questionable.

The entire story is very very sad.

Nice to see the different parts that lead to the breaking of your heart

Please keep Kaylee and Maddie's boyfriends in your prayers. They have lost the love of their lives forever, those young girls cannot be replaced, ever.

There's an old saying...you don't lick it off the ground. It means everything you are comes from your parents.

@@masonkanterbury3007 I don’t necessarily agree. I guess we don’t know for sure, but some people just have evil in them, regardless of how well they’re brought up.

she said she was in a 'frozen shock phase' = it was obv cause for alarm

The pandemic has somewhat normalized masks. Before 2020, people were generally uncomfortable around people who were masked in public settings outside of health care or winter gear.

@vivienne obrien frozen shock PHASE was perhaps the next thing that she went into a "denial phase" where she rationalized what she saw and heard?

I agree. Could be she was scared, locked her door and waited. Fell asleep. There is no way she, nor anyone could predict what had happened.

I'm not buying it , the crying / screaming was loud enough to be picked up 50ft away by someone's security camera , she was down the hall . If I was woke up to my friends crying screaming and then saw a strange man walking down the corridor and out the door , I would've locked my door and phoned the police , if my phone wasn't in my room I would have waited a few minutes then run and locked that sliding door and then checked on my friends and phoned the police . She said that she was frozen with fear , that fear would've sobered her up , some of them may not have been dead he could've left them to bleed out . Its very suspicious and it makes no sense to wait 8hrs

yes. he knew they would be shocked and paralyzed. no need to deal with them.

Nah, he seen her. She said he walked towards her and passed by her close enough for her to see his bushy eyebrows. He probably got scared of what he has done himself, especially if it was his first, and was more concerned of getting out of there.

Amen 🙏 💔😢

@akmong5651 we don't know if he saw her. Her lights could have been off and he had dim light on him. Or he could have been so focused on what he had just done. I'm sure if he'd seen her he would have killed her. Maybe he was tired from all the stabbing but he definitely could have strangled her. He obviously didn't see her, why on earth did he spare her? Makes zero sense

@@seansprincess We will find out when she will be on the stand, because we most certainly won't find out from him. And it doesn't make sense to you. To me it makes perfect sense if he's main concern was to get out of there. Especially when the dog was still barking like hell.

@akmong5651 you think he'd really take a risk of cops showing up? I'm sorry I just don't see that. You're right we'll find out from her not him. I truly think he was in a trance of what he had just done

Similar situation happened to me. Later on the guy was arrested and I just knew that he was the same one that i saw. Thank the Lord he is now in jail.

They knew he was strange .....but they didn't imagine this........he snapped........yo............

You may be right, but when you're around someone, on a day in/day out basis, you probably just accept their quirks, and/or strange behavior, as the 'Status Quo'. We're probably all considered as being strange/weird to somebody...it all depends upon the 'Dynamics', over time. Just my opinion!

Let's smoke a phatty....and say ....let's go Brandon

Especially since..Kaylee was being loud upstairs "playing with her dog" (what Dylan thought) , Zana was crying, man's voice, talking to Zana. And then...you see a masked man walk past you out the door and hear complete "dead" silence as soon as he leaves. Dosnt seem right.

You'd probably freeze up knowing something is happening or happened since seeing this male dressed in black with ski mask. You might not call 911 you might not check on roommate or roommates. You freeze then and lock door and not be able to move. Dylan is getting infair attention to reactions she had no control over. Focus on that killer. I'll bet she locks every lock in a house and freaks out seeing dark shadows for the rest of her life.

When you reach that point of being scared it's really hard to say what you would do or wouldnt.

I know, the door is only a few feet away. She let the situation get the better of her.

She probably passed out drunk

I hope you didn't write all of that for nothing. But didn't she order a pizza right after the massacre took place?

@@strauqq1 nah. X ordered food right before the murders. This roommate did call her friends over before calling the police. She was sooooo scared that she waited 7-8 hours before calling her friends to come on over and join in the danger. I’m hoping the police are holding back some info cuz if not, she’s suspect in my eyes.

It is soon going to become politically incorrect to question her behavior. While we sympathize with her I cannot believe she slept or so waited for 8 hrs. Only way is if s he e passed out

I once got a random call from a number I did not know from Auburn Washington. I have lived in Houston 30 years but I have family there. I felt a wave of dread, then told myself it is was just a random wrong number, hung up and went to sleep until my son came unto my room and told me my cousin was trying to call me turned out my Dad was dead Sometimes you sense somethings "wrong" but your brains goes "nope, not today.'

The 911 call happened AFTER she called a few friends to come over

well arent you a bloody hero than

Also, wasn’t there yet another girl roommate there?? Why didn’t she call police when she got up?

Okay think about it if someone's in your house with a black ski mask on you're not going to run to your bedroom and lock yourself in it and you know you have five other people living in your household you're going to get on the phone and call the police or start screaming for help it's or less you was the one doing The Killing

They should have called police before friends! They are not young kids.

They should have called police before friends! They are not young kids.

She went back to sleep.

Ok, but does that last for hours and hours? SEVEN HOURS? Not for me it didn’t. My question is wouldn’t you at least try to call your roommates to find out what was going on? And after getting no response and hearing their phones ringing over and over (if not on silent), then you’d know for sure if something bad happened. The only way this makes sense is if she was under the impression that it wasn’t a big deal and went back to sleep. But this doesn’t state that, it states she was fearful. And what about the other surviving roommate? Was that person in the same room as her? Did she not tell that person what she just saw? And that person could call the police? So many unanswered questions..

yes exactly. the police have handled this case so well so far and i’m sure if they suspected she had something to do with it they’d know by now. they kept the case very quiet for so long and there will be still so much they’re yet to release.

Good points!

I agree! How can anyone give excuses for her! None of that makes sense! Was she the first one to see roommates dead or was it the Police?

@@monserrat9936 I think it was her

If it sounds sketchy, it is sketchy

If their throat was slashed how would they make any noise?

@@tanaparis4377 yes I feel that the victims were killed with frenzy and, shockingly, did not have a chance to make a peep!

I hope the police will question her story.

Bet playing with the dog she knows him interesting

First of all she had no clue there had been a murder. She first thought she heard crying and then saw a masked figure. She may not have put the two points together and come up with - "hey ..murder?"

That’s like saying you wouldn’t know how a person would react if a dog comes running at them as they walk down the street.

The report said very clear that the man walked past her I'm not buying this a murder is going to check the hole house this is very weird people set up people all the time for stuff

THE AFFIDAVIT BEGINS WITH THE OFFICER SAYING(QUOTE) WE ARRIVED APPROXIMATELY 4AM ...??? LATER IT SAYS THE CALL DIDNT COME IN AND POLICE DIDNT ARRIVE UNTIL AFTER 11AM ??? SO WHAT IS IT OFFICER ???? DID YOU ARRIVE AT 4AM OR SOME 7 HOURS LATER .... THIS STINKS FROM THE OPENING AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH...DNA OF A MALE IN GENERAL... YOU CAN NOT DO DNA TESTING AND BREAK DOWN IN HOURS OR A DAY OR 2 ... IT IS VERY SENSITIVE AND MUST SIT IN A CONTROLED TEMP AND LIGHTING FOR SOME TIME LONG BEFORE BEGINING TO DO THE BREAK DOWN...IT TAKES WEEKS AT BEST TO COMPLETE ALTHOUGH YOU CAN TELL IF IT IN GENERAL IS MALE OR FEMALE QUICKLY ... THEN THE CAR ON VIDEOS SHOWS IT IN THE 700 BLOCK OF THE ROAD OF WHICH THE HOUSE IS IN THE 1100 BLOCK WHICH IS SOME 4 BLOCKS AWAY AND THE OTHER VIDEO SHOWS IT NEAR A HIGHWAY WE DONT KNOW HOW FAR THAT IS BUT TO SAY THIS IS SOME KIND OF EVIDENCE IS BOGUS AT BEST AND THEY DID NOT IDENTIFY THE EXACT MAKE OF THE CAR FROM THE VIDEOS AND YET NOW ITS THE ACCUSED MANS CAR EXACTLY.... THE CELL PHONE TRACKING HIS PHONE DAYS PRIOR IN THE AREA IS A BROAD STATEMENT AND??? As a 30yr federal litigator and expert in many fields related and evidence collection and processing... i find a general car identity and DNA not given in any kind of detail says to me that it is possible they have the wrong man... being in the area other nights says little to nothing ... I'm not on the side of the alleged perp but i seen nothing that even remotely can be enough to even charge without a good defense attorneys ability in a probable cause hearing to challenge and dismiss this or begin destroying this inexperienced police departments process that initiated this case ...its weak at best as far as this video shows... the knife sheath DNA after being said they dont know the weapon and therefore also implied it was a large knife but this sheath average to small and not even the actual sheath just makes many commenting here a mans guilt remind me of Christ and judging and yet dont know ,,, people should be careful judging ... i have been involved in 1000s of cases of wrongful arrest and 100s of over turned convictions which is my area of work in the high courts... it could be you or your family some day so be careful and remember ... by the measure you judge you also shall be judged... my heart breaks for these children and the families,,,the deserve justice done right... 4 people stabbed leaves me wondering why the roommates didn't call police for almost 7 hours and there had to be some screams beyond hearing a few words... eye witness who sees bushy eye brows and a height 7 hours??? somethings wrong here ??? especially when a roommate says she locked herself in her room knowing something bad was happening

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Right 👍 this MONSTER would OBVIOUSLY "DO IT AGAIN". I honestly think this wasn't his 1ST time 😮

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Did you stand there for 12 hours??

Wow! I always wondered if I could identify a suspect if a witnessed a serious violent crime. It's probably different when it happens. Could I make a wanted sketch

@mark r. Devereux I've read our subconscious mind holds memories in a series of pictures. I understand that the sketch artist walks you through every minute detail of the face, unless traumatized and blocking it out, IMO most of us could pull up that memory to describe a person in detail.

@@beetlejette I know I'm not one those..... intruder was big and had bushy hair..types however lips and nose and eyes I really don't think so at least not if it's a short glance. Might depend on the sketch artist I know they sometimes they try to eliminate features that they did not have by that process get quickly to the most probable ones.

That was HER experience. Nobody reacts the same to deadly situations

It was 4 am, she was out late, potentially partying. She was in and out of sleep so probably pretty out of it.

Well said!!!

But she said she froze in fear and heard crying, a thud, and other noises

I feel the exact same way. Roommate crying and someone saying I’m going to take care of you? I’d probably just assume they drank too much and are sick. A thud? I mean that’s pretty common in any college house. Dog barking? Dogs bark. A stranger in your house and it freaks you out? You probably don’t assume the worst and just think your roommates have a weird friend that scared you in the middle of the night. My mind wouldn’t go to call 911, in a half asleep state I’m sure I’d also think oh it’s nothing just go to bed. I just can’t cast judgement on this girl without hearing her whole story. The affidavit is only pieces of the puzzle

It is when u hear crying etc and ur roommate says someone here

Yeppers

was my thoughts too, very sus.

If anything, she was hiding for her safety, or was in shock. I doubt he saw her or she would be dead too.

exactly. that is what i am talking about.

@@lsfitz3517 she said he saw her

I AM uncertain about DM. She knows something.