I'm a police officer in Texas and my neighbor is an old Israeli IDF soldier, he explained to me that the Tier 1 units carry a round in the chamber and the regular units carry condition 3, the reason why the carry condition 3 is because everyone has to do their time in the Israeli military and they don't want them to have negligent discharges.
@@TeamofwarriorsOrg Cool, l typed my comment before l finished watching the video, good because that issue of why the IDF carry condition 3 is the argument in lot of guns shops in my area, frankly l think everyone needs to carry condition one, carried my pistol and my rifle condition 1 for 26 years and never had a negligent discharge.
@@timoanez4668 yes agreed. Condition 1is definitely superior. This video only tries to get us to see a bigger perspective when u take into consideration the specific needs and priorities the IDF has
@@timoanez4668 I am the person on this video. Served as a LE officer in a special team for many years. Im actually in Texas now (Austin area) would love to get together and do some training if you’re down. Be safe
@@mbogucki1 True, I'm not American but I support condition one for the main purpose of what if something happens to one of my arms? If I have been struck or shot, I wouldn't be able to use my gun at all even if I'm still able to fight. With condition 1, I would be able to use the gun one handed from the draw.
@@mbogucki1 because that silly part where you chamber a round is the part where the other guy shoots you in the chest. It may work for masses conscripted infantry in a semi permanent semi warzone, but I wouldn't do this for self defense as I don't wanna be dead or a vegetable.
@@mbogucki1 Sure, some people get overly bent out of shape on the topic. But I was talking about the presenter in the video. And it's been a while since I watched it, but didn't he also say he preferred condition one carry?
The "why" is obvious. When you have a citizen soldier population from many backgrounds and different skill levels that are conscripted for short periods, safety is your main concern. Drills work.
I have been an investigator for the Civil Police of the State of São Paulo, Brazil, for over 35 years. I have worked in several operational groups and have always used pistols that I own, which are superior to those provided by the State. As a fan of the 9mm caliber, I have had the Browning Hi Power (1 month because I didn't like the single action), the CZ85 (4 years, excellent accuracy) and, since 1994, the Glock 17 (the best cost-benefit for police use). I have always used it in condition 1, even before my first resistance followed by death, and I have always carried it openly or covertly in appropriate holsters, always on the right side of my body (muscle memory). I have concluded that, in my specific condition, carrying a reliable weapon on a daily basis, with a high firing capacity and at least two extra magazines, with regular maintenance, new and quality ammunition and, above all, regular training at the shooting range, allowed me to survive the urban warfare of a violent country, such as mine, unfortunately.
When my ship visited Israel, we had IDF follow our crew on a tourist visit to Jerusalem. I never felt safer in my life. I asked one soldier if he agreed in protecting us, he looked at me with out hesitation and said " your god is my god, your life is my life." GOD BLESS ISRAEL
I have a few unpopular thoughts on this, but here goes; 1. Most gun owners in the US lack the continuous training to safely carry in condition one. 2. Statistics on negligent discharge will always be underreported. (ie, no one was injured) 3. I am a health care professional, I have taken care of many GSW victims. Many of those were due to accidents. Most of the accidental shootings with handguns wouldn’t have happened if the handgun had been in condition 3. Most children lack the knowledge and strength to activate the slide if they find a handgun. 4. For a civilian CCL holder, it is a teenage fantasy to think that the milliseconds it will take to chamber a round is going to be the difference between life and death. Statistically speaking, if your handgun is in condition 1 most of the time, it is more likely to be discharged negligently than at an impending threat. 5. Great video
@@outerspaceman7534 most US gun owners do not daily carry, nor do they train for a safe draw. Also both your pistols have external hammers, while most people who carry today use striker fired. I have a feeling you don't carry condition 1, you likely are condition 2. Striker fired weapons are king, but don't have that option. So, you're not really part of the equation here. If you were in the IDF, you'd likely be in a condition 1 trained unit.
@@ShimmeringSword I carry my 1911 cocked and locked because it is single action. I carry my M9A1 decocked with the hammer down and the safety off. I also CCW my CZ75 PCR the same way I do my Berettas. It’s just those three are my go tos. Most people do have Glocks, but even with Glocks I would carry with one in the chamber. Just get a good holster. They only go off if you push the trigger and the safety on the trigger. I wouldn’t want to be outgunned by a inferior piece of crap thug just because I happened to not keep one in the chamber. I already know I’m not going to shoot myself so why would I not keep one in the chamber?
@@TheFertoledo He's a very popular podcast, yet he finds himself on this video. I mean, you'd be surprised to find Joe Biden randomly watching Minecraft content.
@@Proud_Troll Does popularity decrease the chance of you watching a video on youtube ? I wouldn't expect joe here because he's 81 and the president of the united states. Chris deals with media everyday.
@@KKJae187 Leave carry gun just as it is from factory. No aftermarket parts no nothing. Basicly mulfunctions, what i've seen, have been because of "guzzi" parts.
I trained with the 84th “Givati” Brigade back in 2016 while stationed overseas. I learned a lot from their techniques and methods for counter terrorism and battle drills. As well as they learned a lot from my unit. Awesome group of IDF soldiers and was amazed that a lot of them were American and grew up in the United States. One of the greatest training exercises and experiences I’ve had in my life.
@@truthseeker7100 William Barnette William Barnette 7 months ago 7 months ago Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine in the gun, hammer down, safety on. Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on. Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on. Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on. Also referred to as "cocked and locked." Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off. These conditions were developed with the 1911 pistol, cond 2 and 0 do not apply to most modern military arms..
“A lot of them were American.” Incredibly disgusting, as an ex-service member myself, I’m surprised you never were upset by the fact, they used our resources and money here in the states then moved to their nice little ethnic state, they moved to a whole other country solely based on their race.
@@vladdracula4932 the u.s is not self sufficient and we use other countries for thier resources so who cares? I was a frontline service member and I don't care. These tier 1 soldiers are incredibly trained.
I believe that condition 1 is the only way to carry. There's no guarantee that you'll have time to chamber a round. Battlefield tactics are completely different than everyday carry.
When you say battlefield tactics, I assume you mean tactics on the battlefield (obviously) with a rifle and pistol, but what about in a domestic urban setting? Are they still the same? Or different? Because I imagine a battlefield and a literal field sometimes lol I probably shouldn't, since a whole city with a few skyscrapers could be a battlefield.
@@masonallison8657 what I meant was it's my opinion that in a situation where you may not expect to be attacked, it's probably wise to carry in condition 1 to save yourself the fraction of a second it takes to chamber a round. In a battlefield setting your guard is already up and your enemy is more than likely not within a few feet of you so you're more likely to have time to chamber a round if fired upon. It's more or less a game of odds. I will say though that I do believe that people should only carry condition 1 if they're comfortable with it. Some people aren't.
@@masonallison8657 It's the same. When in war, you're prepared for the gunfight, have your primary weapon and your mates to back you up. Odds are you'll be fine carrying condition 3 or you'll be dead before you draw the pistol so it doesn't make a difference. Self defense however, you are not prepared for action. You could be unlocking your car, or carrying your child. Maybe your arm got injured. You can't rely on having to rack the slide in your day to day life, danger may surprise you and fiddling with your gun to rack it while in danger is no fun.
When I was in Israel in the early 90s this was the technique we were taught exactly. After I spent a lot of repetitions practicing it I got pretty quick. When we started doing executive protection assignments we carried condition 1. Excellent video!
Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine in the gun, hammer down, safety on. Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on. Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on. Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on. Also referred to as "cocked and locked." Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off. These conditions were developed with the 1911 pistol, cond 2 and 0 do not apply to most modern military arms..
This is a great, balanced explanation. I carry condition 1, but I really like how you explain that IDF teaches condition 3 because of training limitations. I keep my carry guns in condition 1 and my home-defense gun (which happens to be an X95) in condition 3 in my safe.
IDF trains in order to ramp up to a full conscript army really quickly. So it makes sense that they operate in a way that would increase safety in a 18 year old who didn’t have much experience with arms.
now they at fighting a real war, I believe in them and their techniques fully. Thank you for sharing. God Bless Israel and keeping his children safe in his arms.
I see that eagle 🦅 globe 🌎 and anchor I was very well trained in the marine corps myself. I don’t see the reason to change now after being trained by the worlds most elite military force. USMC. Semper fi.
Why?? It's literally meant for the bottom half of their military from shooting themselves. I guess it was enough of a problem that they forced them to carry unchambered. If you want to be proficient and effective you DO NOT follow this method.
I use to carry without one in the chamber. For almost 10 years I carried that way, but after receiving more training and understanding more about gun safety, proper holster etc, I started carrying with one in the chamber. Also, I have been a victim of armed robbery before(wasn’t carrying that day) and if I had gun on me that day without one in the chamber I would’ve been dead. You really only have a second, if that. I had time to see the truck pull up, guys(plural) jump out of the truck etc. They had to think I was somebody else. One guy had a shotgun and the other had a revolver. Everything slows down and you can remember little details
@@Rugg-qk4pl You have to wait for your opportunity. Drop your wallet, push the weapon away or wait until the thug is distracted. Most of the time they are imbeciles
I love hearing the empty chamber dummies cite the IDF when talking about that mode of carry when it's based on keeping poorly-trained conscripts from shooting themselves on the draw.
Not to mention you're assured to get off at least one shot before a malfunction. Having to try to chamber a round only to have a feed issue as you do so would prove mighty fatal I'd say
@@bossjay1937 ikr. Better have a back-up weapon for your back-up weapon lol. Maybe a tiny little masterkey under barrel shotgun on your pistol pic-rail lol
I carried condition 3 iwb at 8 o'clock, (lefty), for about a year when I first started carrying, and when I felt a lot more comfortable with my weapon and myself, I switched to condition 1 appendix iwb.
Israel adopted this technique simply because there were no standard issue pistol, they reached a decision to adopt 9mm for sidearms but at that time there were an embargo from European countries and not really much choices of pistols from the United States because of their preferred .45 ACP so they sourced thier weapons from anywhere they could find, places like south Africa, Hungary, Brazil etc. That created a mishmash of pistols in 9mm at the Israeli arsenal and to train each soldier on every weapon is a very difficult, costly and time consuming so the best and safest solution is to carry the pistol in condition 3.
I see what you are saying but it is still not the correct way to train. Doesn't matter what firearm you have. They can all be trained to carry in condition one. Striker, DA, SA, whatever. its not rocket science to have soldier learn his weapon.
@@rickyricardo5441 You're right from "common sense" prospective but governments think otherwise. Also the IDF is mainly conscripts and most individuals lack the common weapon safety knowledge, and the fact that you might get someone with a very low IQ or someone with some mental issues that no one knows about is likely to happen more often. You see in America and every other country where military service is a volunteer service you ask to join, get screened and vetted before you join then finally it's a privilege to serve, in countries like Israel where military service is a mandatory service you have to ask not to serve, get screened and vetted to be excluded then finally it is a privilege not to serve. What I'm trying to say here is where you get people from every walk of life you have to be careful. My conclusion that it is more safe to make everyone carry condition 3 to minimize accidents, also it is more cost effective and time saving because every penny counts and every minute counts as well when it comes to budget and combat readiness. P.S. I've been told all of this by IDF soldiers when I trained with them so what do I know?! Thank you for replying ☺️.
It is undoubtedly more safe to carry a pistol, day in and day out, in this manner. Most will never need to draw their pistol, but they will carry it all the time. In addition, pistols are not primary military weapons, as their usefulness in such a role is extremely limited. I can see why this system has been developed, and I doubt that there are many “confirmed” examples of this technique resulting in loss of life. In contrast, people shoot themselves or others unintentionally on a daily basis. While having a one in the chamber is certainly faster and doesn’t require two hands, I can understand not doing so, and developing this system, when training time and resources are limited. Thanks for the video.
beautiful techniques, well trained soldiers I'm guessing there special forces by the way they move or you guys just have good soldiers ha! 10/10 perfection love from America!
@@GGreenix American troops can join at age 17 with parents permission...lol. They walk around with loaded guns all the time during training, and if their job requires combat. Age is not an indicator of maturity
@@Nick-jn2fq you misunderstood him,he said that condition 1 is only being applied when needed,its weighting the risks against the rewards,theres no reason to have a round in the chamber at all times,location and intel matter. so what his explanation means is that a normal combat unit with standard training can have condition 1 but 3 is perferred while SF is more likely to have condition 1. btw training times in the IDF are by no means short ot lacking,soldiers have basic training to become a rifleman of 4 months and then 3 more months of advanced training of target practice,honing you skills and each person learning their job in the squad\platoon. it depends on the unit sometimes(talking about standard not SF) advanced training can be 4 months. now if you compare that with for example marines,it doesnt fall short at all,the main difference is i think is that IDF soldiers after finishing their training carry out less training drills because they need to be out in the field manning their post so overall the get less training.
I am a police officer in South Africa with 11 years service i am not attached to any specialised unit i was trained in all three conditions but i prefer condition 3 for safety precautions i have learnt a lot from this video i will practice the technic and perfect it.
My 5 Cent are: Train the method you use on duty or you are allowed/restricted to by law and stick to it. Same for mag change and clear malfunctions. Keep it simple and working at night, with cold fingers, rain or snow. The more possibillities you have for one action the bigger the chance you mess it up under stress. With modern striker fired pistols you carry anyway condition 0 and even military units tend to give up safety or if available to holster with safety off in condition 0 instead of condition 1. The most important in gun handling, no matter if short or long, private, police or military use, are the 4 rules. 1 Every gun is loaded! 2 Muzzle awareness - always point in a save direction! 3 Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on the target and decided to shoot! 4 Be certain of your target AND what is in front and beyond! Shalom chaverim!
It seems that law enforcement lately do no train very well whatever thier police training was . Because they seem to be killing people who are innocent allot of terrible excuses in judgment. Or it's purposeful. Because following the safety procedures as we say train as you fight weapon control should be at a high level. US Army Infantryman. Never have I discharged my weapon by accident following training. It's a decided action to discharge that round.
My brother jisheraelijm I personally would never carry a firearm if I do not have 1 in the chamber. I did security in Los Angeles California 17 years in different areas, it is all the same War is war and security is security. Very informative video stay sharp.
I trained with the IDF when I was in the Army back in 2016. These guys were so humble but at the same time hardened soldiers 🇮🇱 And they had great bread 😛
I appreciate this video. I am not at the point where I feel comfortable carrying one in the chamber, but the drawing technique I was taught broke the drawing into several steps, which seemed to take a little too long. The Condition 3 in your video looks a lot simpler and quicker.
I'm older, still working, but now for the US gvmnt. I learned in the IDF exactly as explained: First C3, then C1 as our unit was involved in more action. I didn't switch units, but our handling evolved, and our officers allowed us to move to C1 in the field. By the time I moved to the US, I was used to C1. 20+ years later...
82nd Airborne here.. training with condition 3 will prepare you to use it as such.. but one major issue I have with it, and I don't see any comments regarding, is no matter how hard you've trained, there will always be at least one feeding issue. or magazine seating issue.. carrying condition 1 you will never have to worry about that one time the round didn't didn't chamber properly at a time it matters most..
Here in Israel many of the discussions revolve around not having two hands available to rack a slide. To be honest though in my 42 years on this pllanet, half here half stateside the only time Ive had any missfeed or magazine seating issue was with guns that either belonged to a range or old military surpluss m16's we used for guard duty on the settelments. Never even had a 1911 with an issue.
I like the technique of retracting the slide in the pulling process during the presentation. I've never seen that before, I'll be incorporating it into my routine from now on. Thanks for this great tip, guys!
Served 3.5 years in the IDF, and then worked security for 4 years. Dudes in my unit were pulling 0.9s first shot center mass from position 3... my best was 1.1. this shit may look janky but it works.
Great explaining 👌, I was trained on condition 3 and still carry today as such, have no qualms with condition 1 just as long as that person knows the condition of their weapon...big thumbs-up 👍
I did dry fire training first with condition 3, then when I go to ranges I mix a couple dummy rounds In my magazines. It helps you to be more efficient when it comes to gun malfunctions. I highly recommend Dry fire, any condition, and dummy rounds mixed with live ammo.
First Practice without any ammunition in magazines, then once’s you feel comfortable with your skills go to the range, and apply it your training. You won’t blow your nuts off.
The numbering system of segments of the draw is what matters the most. Ideally, as you said, condition 1 is preferred, but depending on circumstances, being efficient with the mechanics of your draw is far more important. I'd put my money on a person carrying condition 3 that has drilled their mechanics to muscle memory over a person carrying condition 1 whose training amounts to shooting once or twice a year.
Exactly right, I carry condition 3 due to the fact my pistol does not have a safety, but I also do condition 3 on my other fire arms to avoid accidental firing or if it somehow get pulled from my holster, I can make an attempt to disarm the perp before he figures out he has to chamber a round.
Being prior military, the reason we carry condition 1 is to be able to react quickly in a CQB situation. It's splitting hairs to say that drawing the secondary is seconds faster than a reload if your rifle runs dry but seconds mean your life or the lives of your team. I would be interested to see if this technique slows you down to the point that a reload is faster than the draw. I do appreciate how the explanation describes unit philosophy and mostly points towards lightly trained conscripts.
There is effectively no difference in speed. The biggest disadvantage is if you have to draw and you are hands on an enemy or injured. Not uncommon to take a round to the hand during combat (probably the most common injury out there). And you may be shoving off with your off hand or trying to control a knife or gun hand and drawing with your dominate hand. Nothing wrong with condition 3 provided you train with it. But there are unquestionably disadvantages to it. Speed isn't one of them.
@@pauldarling330 exactly, there are literally hundreds of videos of people losing their lives because of carrying without a round in the chamber. Secondly, the attacker is already at an advantage being that....they're the attacker ...condition 3 is absolutely useless except for in your home with children.
I was always taught to carry unchambered, and only chamber either in front of the threat (for extra psychological impact on the opponent) or in highly tense situations where it is expected that rounds will have to be shot. I find this approach very rational, esp. since in France the gun is holstered 99% of the time anyway and serves mostly as a deterrent. The logic might be different in other countries, like Israel or the U.S., where it is an actively used tool, so it is nice this video explains both approaches.
I only see two advantages to carrying in condition three: 1: if someone comes up to you during combat and attempts to take the weapon from your possession, it won’t immediately be able to fire. Likely they would assume it was in condition one and try to fire it at you giving you the opportunity to get the drop on them, because they wouldn’t immediately try to rack a round the chamber. (unless of course they are familiar with your military’s training and know that you wouldn’t carry it in condition one) Secondly, it could prevent accidents during training with live fire situation by inexperienced personnel by just not having a live round in the chamber to discharge in any situation where a weapon might get drawn. Sort of like a next level of safety. Now on the other hand carrying in condition one has many advantages that you’re giving up: Speed of deployment Extra capacity The ability to deploy and fire the weapon with only one hand in a situation during combat where your other hand/arm is injured. Yes you can theoretically rack the slide against your leg, etc. but tried doing that under stress when laying on the ground being shot at. Much easier just to have had a round in the chamber to start with. (I think this is one of the biggest reasons I would carry in condition one. Being that this is a secondary weapon, I would not probably deploy it until I was in a bad way or in close quarters so it’s possible I could’ve been shot already and might not have use of one of my arms. I would not want to have to wrack a slide. ) Overall, you can go either way but I would personally go with condition one if it were my gun.
I commented, further upthread, not knowing yours was 'done here'. I concentrated on the 'failsafe' consideration. Well done laying out the rest of the details of pros and cons. Both scenarios [C3 with weapon stolen, and one arm incapacitated with sidearm in C3] are low-probability outcomes, but not insignificantly so. they both have an inverse 'locational' component, I hope you might agree: one happens very close, while the other could happen close, but would more likely happen farther away (shot from a distance versus snatched from right beside you). I think rules #2 and #3 of gunfights [bring your friends and have your friends bring their guns, respectively] work to minimize the 'bad day' effects of either outcome. The question of 'which condition is best' seems fraught with variables, so I doubt there is a 'best'. May the odds be ever in your favor ;)
@@MisterWonder The Land of Israel are only for Israeli not Palestinian. You just only occupied their land when they exiled and now they are coming back and they will reclaim their land🇮🇱
that's propaganda. what's the point of firing at each other with small arms? are you practicing not hitting? most other militaries have crisis exposure where troops are shot at or toward, but they aren't just playing around for the camera. or do you believe the videos where gru can knock people out by pointing at them as well?
Thanks for this clear and informative information! Went to a gun show a few years ago, and a firearms instructor at his booth told me that the IDF carry method condition 3, was superior to all others and he wouldn't entertain training any other methods. I mentioned that it wasn't superior, just safer. He got steamed. We walked away.... In some circles, folks take a simple tool and turn it into a magical object.
Most people do not train with their weapon enough to make C1 worthwhile. Hell, even cops shouldn't carry C1. They're negligent as fuck. If you're not proficient in identifying threat, un-holstering, considering potential collateral/backdrop, and putting accurate rounds on target very quickly and consistently, then you have no business carrying C1. I would consider that person a liability and dishonest about their capabilities. Most people, meaning probably more than 95% of CCWs should be in C3. Children are dying to firearms in America. It's the 3rd leading cause of their death. It's not coming from school shootings either. It's mostly coming from unsafe and ridiculous management of firearms. Parents are killing their kids through gross negligence. If we're going to insist on having guns everywhere, then people need to grow the fuck up, take responsibility, know their limitations, and have some goddamn respect for firearms.
Hi Bernardo! I'm a US Army vet from a non-combat arm's MOS. But 35 years later, I've been through the ringer: micro-strokes, foot drop, balance issues, tremor disorder, coma, heart failure! So while it reduces my reaction time even further, I feel for society's safety, I simply MUST NOT be in battery! So for this disabled CCW, no round in the chamber. (I practice esp. while the tremor is bad, and can still strike my target COM at 10m. Just don't ask me to wash your expensive dishes LOL 😆)
Excellent, thank you! Yes, I fully agree with everything you've said here. I typically carry Con3 and employ techniques I learned from a former IDF officer, for whom I continue to have the utmost respect. I feel these techniques are incredibly efficient, with no wasted movement or energy. Cheers!
If you're not 1up, you're always going to be slower than the guy who is. You're also creating the chance for a user induced malfunction. The question begs, why would you intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage? Don't say "safety". If you are not comfortable with the way a firearm works and the safety protocols surrounding the use of one, I suggest getting more training and/or don't carry as you become a liability to yourself and others around you. The logic extends to, if you are so uncomfortable or untrained to the point that 1up is a "problem", I question your ability to operate a firearm safely and confidently. GET TRAINING FROM PROFESSIONALS!
Great video.. I'm in the US and used to teach safety and home defense with a pistol. I always advised carrying with a round in the chamber, but civilians don't have to worry about the regulations that military and police must concern themselves with. I used the same basic stance. Good stuff. Thanks for the video.. ♥️
@@Eunegin23 Same in London here. Just a frying pan for home defence I suppose. And you can’t have the door too solid or reinforce it or metal bars unless the housing council will complain that you’re trying to restrict access to police entrance, even if you have no problem with the police.
I'm a Police Officer in the NYPD in a Counter Terrorism Unit. I'm also an instructor for CT tactical teams in CQB. 18 plus years in the Department with 8 years in CTB (Counter Terrorism Bureau). With 3 years as an instructor. Before the Police Department, I was in the U.S. Marines active duty in the infantry. In the Police Department, we carry all our weapons in condition 1. In the Marines on deployment, when I was assigned to guard detail (Corporal of the Gaurd), I was issued a Baretta M9 and carried it in condition 3. Magazine inserted in the pistol no round in the chamber.
People gotta realize there is never a “right” way 100% of the time when it comes to this sort of thing. Most commenters have never lived under the conditions that the Israeli people do. One of my goals is to visit Israel some day, given how beautiful the country is. Between military and my current job I’ve carried a firearm my entire adult life, to where I develop mild anxiety when I have to travel out of state without it. When I was overseas our weapon condition varied. We would rotate between conditions 1,3,4 depending on what FOB we were on. Condition 1 obvious on a mission, most FOBs were condition 3, and the major bases were often condition 4 unless there was some change in the climate that necessitated a change. I would usually keep my weapon in condition 3 outside the wire on a vehicle and chamber a round if I got out of the truck. Depended on the area and at the time I had been convinced that I’d rather chamber a round than risk a worn out rifle from the armory discharging from a bump or a blast when it got knocked around. Stupid in hindsight…knowing what I know now I would have probably just kept a round chambered.
@Mr Jones idk, winning a war started by said foreign nation and getting the land didnt sound illegal. Search 6 day war and many other war that follow and you'll see that palestine and arabs attack israel and lose.
@@jameshuhn6924 condition four on an m4 carbine is chamber empty, bolt forward, weapon on safe, ejection port cover closed. Guess I should have specified. I never thought to apply it to handguns in the same way, but I would imagine it’s slide forward. I don’t know what conditions are for IDF either. What purpose would making condition 4 an open slide be? If we are talking handguns?
@@xefitnop On a firing range the range officer calls condition 4 between rounds of fire. When each round of fire is complete you go to condition 4 by locking your slide back and removing the magazine before placing your firearm on the shelf beside you. Once the range officer checks each weapon to make sure they are safe and clear the next round will commence.
I had heard this method was adopted because in the early days of Isreal developing its military it did not have a standard sidearm. It was decided it was easier to teach everyone this one technique than to try to teach multiple standards of carry for multiple weapons. I may have heard wrong, but it made sense when I heard it. Does anyone know if this can be verified or debunked?
that is 100% correct, and the safety aspect of it stuck and was ingrained into the doctrine. With enough training it can take just as long to normally draw your sidearm vs a condition 3 draw
@@janiskuze it had nothing to do with being unreliable. It was because they had so many different types and models and did have the time or resources to create so many different training courses for each type. so in order to streamline training and teach everyone the same way they taught condition 3. since virtually all sidearms they had at the time were semi auto. they have a few revolvers but was very rare
@@janiskuze correct, when i was in the IDF we never drew a firearm that close in. remember, you never pull out a pistol for yourself, you introduce it into the fight and it's whoever get it first wins. that close with someone it's difficult to not only draw but to also get room to actually point and fire it. and that's assuming your enemy doesn't see it and lets you draw, point, and fire
@@janiskuze because keep in mind, the average time from going to civilian to a combat soldier in Israel is 3-4 months, that includes all your training. it's difficult to get everything in during that time so they focus on the most crucial points and create universal and quick ways around things. and also, very few combat units ever see CQB, so to actually get that close with an enemy is very rare
Unless you're highly trained condition 3 is fine. Because remember how people react under stress will make them fumble, and with one in the chamber there's a a good chance that they shoot themselves out of nervousness. The difference between condition 1 and 3 is a fraction of a second and it's safer under stressful conditions provided you do your repetitions.
I carry in condition one because I am very comfortable with my setup. When I first starting carrying, I would carry in condition 3 because there was some uncertainty about the setup…usually either the method of carry or the holster itself. Once I found my preferred method of carry, found my preferred holster, and was confident in the reliability of my firearm as well as my ability with it was when I made the decision to switch to condition 1.
Very interesting method and pricedure. As a civilian I breifly trainned on a combat course in the early 80s. What is shown here wasnt how we were taught. Really wish it was. Very sharp, fast and effective. Nice video. Thank you & Shalom
Excellent video and instruction. At home, when not secured to my body, my pistol is in Condition3 in a quick access safe. As this instructor stated, with good and frequent training, going from Condition 3 to engagement is relatively easy. When carrying CCW in public, I'm always Condition 1.
I have a SIG P320 pistol in a drawer in the nightstand. It’s always in condition 1. It is also held in a hard plastic hip holster so the trigger is covered. Add to this I have no kids and don’t go into that drawer every day it’s safe to do. I know if I grab that pistol it’s a crisis (home invasion) and it’s ready to go.
Just as a historical note (and living in Britain this is academic for me) the description of carrying an auto-pistol in condition three and drawing and making ready by grabbing the slide of a horizontal pistol and pushing the pistol forward to make it ready are almost identical to those espoused by Fairbairn and Sykes in 'Shooting to Live' from 1920s Shanghai. For largely similar reasons too - a large force with limited training time and budget. Thanks for the description really interesting. BTW 'Shooting to Live' is free on the internet in pdf format - check it out.
Dear friends, as a reserve officer in a commando unit in the IDF, I want to remind you of an important point The IDF is very different from the United States Army and the special forces in the United States Army The soldiers in the army enlist at the age of 18, undergo training for about 18 months and are already active fighters at the age of 19.5 It's like a fighter in the green berets who is 30 years old with 10 years of experience, which is his profession In the IDF, this is a 19.5-year-old boy who cannot be fully trusted to carry one bullet in the barrel, which is why the technique of the quick tread was developed
It all depends on your operation and situation. If you are alone and your sidearm is your primary firearm(self defence), carry condition 1. If you are part of a team and your sidearm is secondary, then condition 3 is fine and obvious.
I’m an inactive US Marine. After service I went on to do work with PMC’s. Having trained with many Tier 1 elements and team members, I prefer condition 1. BUT TO NOTE, ONLY AFTER years of training. Reasons: 1) the quickest manner to present your firearm depending on your method of carry is right from clearance of the holster or holstered space. That means muzzle down range at target in the shortest and most efficacious movement if applicable. This method is generally or commonly referred to as “retention shooting.” Because you are basically firing well aimed shots, very close up AND because you only have a fraction of a second to process all that is happening. 2) If needing to fire from the retention position, you have no time to rack a round and go to work. Tool must be work ready in a situation where you are up close and personal or fighting with the opponent. 3) After initial shots fired, usually a hammered pair, you can and should clear your space for full presentation of firearm and assess for follow up shots or follow on targets and/or follow up actions. 4) Economy of motion. As stated in point 1. You never know how the threat will present itself. Setting yourself up for success mentally and physically (with your gear and training is key). 5) Mission helps determine and/or define method of carry. Civilian, LEO, or military all have different considerations but with some overlap in some cases. All should be considered. This video was a great video that speaks to training, carry considerations and methods for considering one’s courses of action while carrying a firearm. I’d like to see more videos on this. Thank you.
I have another possibility. The army started off with a collection of 9mm pistols from different countries from 1948 thru 1970. The Browning Hi Power became the standard pistol. Like most pistols of the day the Hi Power did not have a round chamber indicator and the size and location of the safety became a serious safety issue. The new Spring Field SA-35 solves the safety issues.
Now Israel is a developed country with fighting experience and an armory with contracted weapons to its specifications. It can train its personnel condition one...if it wants.
@@marsoelflaco5722 Israel was always a developed country compared to coarse its neighbors but in general, it’s also very advanced, and the army does not use pistols it’s not the wild west I really hard doubt there are any army forces that uses pistols as a main weapon there is something called an assault rifle that you probably heard of and seen people using multiple fronts and battles across the globe a 9 mm gun I really doubt has the range that would be needed in case of warfare, and would be more effective in close combat. Americans use M-16s or at least for a long time.
From Personal experience i prefer one in the chamber. 1. racking the slide when pulling, is a factor of mistake 2. i Need to be able to pull and operate the handgun with one Hand if nessesary
Working in a gunshop, we qualify here to carry a gun on the job, myself I prefer to carry condition 3. I use a Glock 17 Gen5 and it has three safety features. Learning this method the IDF uses is a safe and effective way to carry and still be quick on the draw. I will use this method from now on.
@@jonathanfrost944 You can find videos of people getting their guns taken with one in the chamber and videos of people racking shooting 2 people while having a gun pointed at them. Pick one youre comfortable with and dont disregard the other because both options are effective.
Foolish. Could literally cost you your life. Leave the gun in a good holster and you have nothing to worry about. Unless it's a P320 (just kidding). In all serious, beyond losing your ability to engage 1 handed, it is very easy to not rack the slide properly under stress and the gun will not go into battery. Then you are fisted. To each their own, however.
@@TheSvs1 lmao well American police forces military disagrees also very high end well trained swat n military do also that’s a good way to fucking die oh hold on man give me a second to rack one in the chamber dumb as hell lol
@@ericcopenhaver I can only assume it’s to do with safely and to add a layer against negligence discharges in stressful situations from individuals that may not train as much as they should.
@@theexpatgunner yes, I would assume those things as well. Perhaps I'll dive down the Estonian 'gun laws' rabbit hole one day... but that is not this day! thank for the reply :)
Thats the reason why i love revolver. Always ready to save your ass just by pulling the trigger. Quickness in CQC i mean being the first who shoot if u see ur enemy drawing a gun, even 1 or 2 seconds of advantage could make difference between life and death 🤗
I couldn't agree more one in the chamber is the way to go but, as you have stated whatever works for you in training will work for you in combat as well. With enough drills and trigger discipline you can overcome rookie's mistakes. Great video
One in the chamber for me! Taught this methodology in my law enforcement career and I find it is one less thing to fumble with in a shootout. As for safety "finger off the trigger" worked for me in 22 years without accidental discharge.
The IDF combat units do all of that. I served in the rear lines, carried only colt m16 and had to have the magazine outside the gun at all times. Not exactly battle ready, but then again, I shot maybe 50 rounds over my 3 years in service and none for the whole time in reserve.
While Condition 1 allows you to fire as soon as you've drawn the pistol, with Condition 3 there is ZERO chance your pistol will go off accidentally by dropping or by poor drawing technique and it also adds a level of difficulty for anyone who would attempt to unholster your pistol and use it against you, others, or themselves. However, just today I was experiencing repeated difficulty chambering the first round on Condition 3 (with a Kel-Tec CP33) and also experiencing an issue where I had to decock a S&W Model 59 before each of the first two rounds (also reproduceable) in the magazine. FAR less than ideal in both cases!
We transitioned from revolvers sometime in the early ‘90s and our training was in Condition 1. It’s the only way I’d carry an auto loading pistol today.
I personally don’t like this. If you’re physically unable to use both hands (injured, defending yourself, etc.) it could be very problematic. Imagine if you could only push an attacker just far enough off of you to shoot from a retention position.
I do both depending on where I’m going - what I’m doing - what my expectations are given certain situations and conditions, however my preferred is condition 1. Either way it’s important to know the condition of your weapon at all times and be well practiced in both techniques.
Its to prevent loss of weapon, especially during maritime operations. When under real operations, i.e. non training, that shit is not lanyarded because it can get you snagged and killed.
Repetition is the key.. Everyone in my Department carries one in the tube, although there is nothing set in stone. I know guys that keep their weapon in single action holstered... Whatever works for an individual, that first shot placement is crucial..
Ye the devil gives people power to do the will of the devilWith the help of the US military the devil has kept his servants on top over there for 80 years
The key as he mentioned as he prefers for DEFENSIVE shooting (the concern of 99%+ of all Americans) is chambered. Why do I prefer that for my students and my own personal carry? There are several very obvious reasons EXCLUDING speed: 1. OODA Loop (If you don't know OODA, learn it.) I can eliminate having to process the concern of IF I have one chambered. 2. Reliability - We have the human factor of a shooter's hand slipping, a novice actually walking the slide forward, plus multiple movement errors that could be made. ALSO in reliability os the machine factor- each and every cycle of a machine is one more of atrophy. ALL machines will eventually wear, break and fail - it might be 1M rounds, it might be the 100th round where a metal or manufacturing defect causes something to break, but it's a machine and WILL at some point break. Likewise, the machine might not break, but the ammo may have a defect. While we'd like to believe every round is precisely made, even knew factory rounds can come with defects- a bullet seated too deep in the casing is most likely to cause a FTF (Failure To Feed) and requires a complete additional sequence to clear. Had we encountered this BEFORE the Critical Dynamic Incident we just eliminated a LOT of room for additional human failure! Finally, for civilian defensive situations, you are not likely to be moving in a military formation and equipped the same. You may have a item (including a baby) in your second hand. You may have to clear a garment, zipper on a purse (Not preferred carry, but better than no carry), you may be pushing someone aside, to safety, opening or closing a door, etc. Having a free second hand can be invaluable and worth the risk or effort of chambering a round in advance. If you are carrying in a suitable holster, the "perceived risk" of a negligent discharge is almost nill.
