If these pumps ever stop, part of Germany floods. 

FROM THE PAST

Or is it??

third

3 days ago? Omg

3 days ago what?

Taxpayers have been subsidizing the coal industry for decades. In this sense, the taxpayer is at least partially bearing the costs of these plants. And if coal production is completely stopped, the taxpayer will continue to pay the costs in full.

In Europe they are way more creative to make it look like corporations pay all of their dues, so the plebs remains calm while its tax money is being drained indirectly.

@@Ganiscol true

To be fair: the US have a lot more landscape to be damaged by their coal companies...

@@huckleberryfinn6578 not that your "indirectly by tax" is false, but your " the taxpayer will continue to pay the costs in full" is false as these things usually get covered by financial endowments. Which means an untouchable sum is set up to generate a return, which is covering the running cost and future replacements. Not that this is bulletproof, but such endowments can work and have worked for over a hundred years in some cases without burden to taxpayers/future generations, even when those who set them up are long gone. Some endowments can even succeed so far that they generate a profit flowing back to whoever is named beneficiary, especially as going into the future means that the cost managing the damages can significantly be reduced by technological development and invention.

😂 lmao

Murray or Massey Energy would have told the people to get (bleep)ed.

It's considered quite controversial in Germany as well. Sadly. And they are not even consistent about it! The state for example pays for the cost of nuclear waste.

I mean there is still a debate whether the coal mining companies have paid enough. They put it in a foundation which from now on will pay for those "Ewigkeitskosten" (eternal cost). The foundation will invest the money and the profit will pay the running costs. But it is hard to foresee the future and how long it will cost howmuch. Based on current calculations it should just be enough. But there are some damages which are disputed, e.g. some people have issues: e.g. in one case their terrace is broken every few years and so they try to get the money back from the coal company, which claim that the foundation is the one who has to pay, but the foundation says that this is "imminent" damage and therefore not an "eternal cost" therefore the mining company should pay.

I, a German, was thoroughly surprised by this! Normally coal gets extremely heavily funded through taxes here

Like always

same so true

For those wondering in the future, a flood in Germany just killed over 100 people and had over 1000 go missing

@@mica_55 in this valley ?

@@Omidion by some parts. North-rhine westfalia has been struck by heavy rain and probably, since this area has rivers nearby this place was no exeption. I also live in this state, but was away for vacation. Luckily my area was not affected. (edit: the ruhr-valley is part of north-rhine westfalia)

I suggest you keep a close eye out for NY and Florida. Especially with the rising sea level, you might need to hide more then you think ;-) (or the sea will soon do it for you).

@J Navarro please dont polute the atlantic with the Trump Tower.....its understandable....but no...

Next big dutch project: a dam closing the channel and a dam between norway and Scotland

Don’t forget the over half a million people living in the Salton Sink in California. And that’s not even including the 1 million people living in just the city of Mexicali, Mexico. Granted, Salton Sink has almost an infinitely lower potential for flooding than New Orleans, but the point still stands that there are many many people living below sea level here in the US.

@@onnovanknotsenburg1177 vinice italy + new york city = something in the futre

...and just because the youtube algorithm thought you are uneducated

ja geht mir auch so....

@@DarthZackTheFirstI That hurt. And hit home. True though, same here 🤷‍♂️

I went to that power station and I didnt get to know that.

Guck dir die RAG und deren "Ewigkeitskosten" an, erklärt alles sehr gut

It's his winter plumage like a Robin.

@@jtbwilliams Robins don't have winter and summer plumages

Rip brighter red t-shirt

@@davidharris2517 🤦‍♂️

It's like Harry Potter & the gang in Prisoner of Azkaban.

Most likely recording a video about effects of public accesible time travel

@@mikoajczechowicz1652 yee

@@thiccchungusexe8964 - he’s talking rubbish mate, once the shaft is capped they monitor and in some areas occasionally pump depending where the strata is, but they don’t continue pumping out of the roadways and tunnels, they’re bricked up and sealed off at the sump before the shaft is filled or capped.

@@project182r3 That may be true in some cases but there are mines that have pumps going 24-7, with backup pumps because a failure would be dangerous to a lot of urban areas. Seen them with my own eyes so don't talk s#!t ;)

@@thiccchungusexe8964 German mines had two types of "tunnels". The more permanent ones (Strecken) - those are build more closely resembling a subway tunnel with heavy metal rings as re-inforcements and even spray-on concrete shells. And the ones where the coal is cut (Strebe). These are either given a "controlled collapse" or they are actually filled during production When they stopped mining the strebe where filled after removing the heavy equipment. The strecken (as Project 182R said) where sealed and allowed to flood. In some cases the maximum level of flooding in a mine shaft is kept below the concrete plug in the shaft due to ground water issues (The water is often "contaminated" with washed out iron ore and mining residues) but that is for water protection.

@@project182r3 yes and no. In coal mines there is refilling and controlled flooding. Under central lower saxony for example (area around Hannover and Braunschweig) there has been extensive salt mining over the decades. In the 70´s there has been some flooding of some areas wich then, because it is salt, collapsed, leaving major sinkholes over the whole region

he mentions there being 180 pumps

A whole country.

Yea, your see wall is very impressive

I think that if someone jumps into the see at the dutch coast it will flood

"The province of Zeeland will never be flooding in 1953 due to a storm"

@@harsh3624 ~half, but yea

haha i get this.

Had a good laugh on this.

Prototech noises

As you can see Germany is just run by SciCraft

lmao

Given enough time...

something will happen before that i guess. :D

Yes. Except *something* happens and it doesent matter anymore.

Yea, but by then either the cockroaches or our robot overlords will be the ones running the show.

I suspect once coal mining stops, they will find ways to rechannelled the rivers and work on more permanent solution, at the moment it just cheaper to keep the pumps running.

That's terrifying.

Du sprichst ja wahrscheinlich deutsch wenn du von hier kommst. Der Bergbau hat hier seit Ewigkeiten kein Geld mehr verdient. Was meinst du wer der RAG das Geld für die Pumpen in die Hand drückt?😂

@@nurderbvbabernurderbvb dafür gibt’s die RAG-Stiftung, die investieren Geld, das die RAG hatte, um Gewinne zu erzielen, mit denen dann wiederum die Ewigkeitskosten bezahlt werden.

Dang. That's...that's terrifying. Especially in a day & age where catastrophe seems to be lurking around every other corner

But what about Privatization of the profits! Think of all the things that they would have to pay for.

Don’t get your hopes up to high.. it’s not usually like that in Germany too..

Even as a German, that came a bit surprising to me. Because nuclear waste storage is absolutely not paid for by the power companies.

@@rolfs2165 Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We don't even have a safe storage for the waste yet

I mean, they haven't paid for all the damage.

@@commiedog425 1 in 8seconds

@@TheFalseShepphard 310 in 25 minutes

@@edlasso congrats 1 like in minute

Confused Republican noises*: Educated Americans know and believe mining companies should actually be accountable for the damage they cause.

@@ellisthomas8981 no likes in 25 seconds smh my head

Nordrhein-Westfalen

When I saw that I immediately thought "Oh! It's that thing from Control!"

@@julietgrabinski6429 I thought "Oh it's that thing from Pathologic!"

For me it's that thing that reminds me why i hate long stairclimbs! Sure i know there's other paths because i was there for a visit on rarely occasions but I'll still prefer the "Halde" for over viewing the landscape (As you can see in the Video here) Cause there's almost no obstructions and multiple hiking paths around the area that are easy to traverse with a bicycle (If the weather doesn't get in the way cause in some occasions entire paths can transform into a swampy pool)

It's not just one city, but many and the Ruhr area is actually the most populated region in Germany.

Don't give them ideas.

Sounds like the next ransomware target.

Who, entirely coincidentally, would have an accent identical to the German engineer guy in this video.

I was thinking similar - this seems like a vulnerable spot to terrorist attack. All anti-terrorism efforts seem to be focused on air travel, making sure nobody brings more than 3 ounces of water aboard a plane, but there's so much critical infrastructure terrorists could reasonably easily take out if they really wanted to mess stuff up.

or just that he whent to school

@@crazydinosaur8945 unlike you.

@@crazydinosaur8945 I hate to tell you that, but as a German, who has visited the USA, I can tell you that Germans (at least with a higher education) tend to be much more apt at using a language other than their native, than people in the (unless their native language wasn’t English).

@@jennyh4025 i don't understand, i agree with what you say, but i just stated that speaking english as a second language, most likely (in the west) isn't "a sign of true intelligence.", but just that they learned it from a young age. in school...

I don't get it.. diese Wortfolge ist mir in einer Englischarbeit noch nie über die quere gekommen..

@@ILO5T Viele aus meiner Klasse und anscheinend nicht nur aus meiner, haben diese Wortfolge benutzt, da sie nicht andere Vokabeln für "weil", "darum", "daraus folgt"... kannten und "bacause of this" immer geht.

Xd

It's common in all languages

Henceforth

My condolences. Let’s hope we can get to a better world soon.

Damn that sucks. People really need their wells.

I hate it when I travel through the Ruhr Valley and are forced to stay thirsty because my well has a bad connection. This is definitely not a metaphor about hotel wifi. I actually do have a portable well.

Great example for this right now is the A44 Autobahn Interchange in Witten. There were plans to built something there (don´t know what right now) but while digging for the construction the builders found 10m deep holes beneath the interchange from old coal shafts. NoNow they are pumping tones of concrete in these holes to fill them up. And if you don´t have sinking whatever you can find an WWII bomb while building, right now one is being defused in my city. There is so much inherited waste im Pott. But I love living here.

@@Kyle-gw6qp Pumps, do tend to that!

You can find maps online where the valley would flood. Bochum is mostly fine i guess. But Dortmund, Gelsenkirchen, Bottrop, Marl, Gladbeck and many other cities would be submerged. Big parts of them at least.

Countryman of yours here, but I like your thinking. The one part you forgot: "Keep 'em pumping, or else saufe ich ab!" :D

At least they take care of their pumps

@Bill Telfer What is in Bradford?

@@Dethleffff I dunno, what *is* Bradford? Only time will tell.

It's hilarious to me, people always seem to live in precarious areas that have a conditional destruction thing going on. Like who in the right mind, sees the sheer fact that the entire area they live in could be gone in under 5 hours, and says "yes, perfect place to raise my family and live". It's baffling.

@@Zalgo-hr6qc Its the other way around. People have been moving to the area for more than a hundred years, because of the available jobs. These jobs (not the Jobs, but the companies, i dont blame the people) are what created these conditions.

I used to live in the Haarlemmermeer polder in the Netherlands (you know the place, it's where Schiphol airport is). Without pumping the polder would be submerged quite quickly up to around 5 meters at the deepest point. I had a groundfloor appartment .... I am VERY glad we had/have good engineers :)

@@BuzzinsPetRock78 So that's why you leave your neighbors alone! Your engineers are too busy devising ways to keep you all from drowning, to bother with engineering way to sink your neighbors!

Does it count as "government intervention" if it's done by private mining companies?

@@seneca983 well if those companies went bankcrupt, the government would have to start doing it.

@@seneca983 I don't think the companies volunteered to spend money on giant pumpstations to keep an area dry they don't use anymore

Underrated

It's a coal mine, not a Zink mine! /s

@@DeJayHank so that is why they stored coal in the basement... house flotation device! /s Totally wouldn't work with Zink

@@DeJayHank Ryan Zinke is conflicted about all of this...

@@DeJayHank You don't have to coal him out. It was just a joke.

Straight up, and glad to see I'm not alone in that!

The flood is not excatly in that area its 100 - 150 km down south

@@leoj. no not really, down below bottrop, where tom was in this video, is essen - which was affected by the floods, and just down below essen the devastation begun.

omg same

@James Lundberg same

oMg SaMe GuYs EcKs DeE

Time to have a theater square with a amphitheatre beside it

That wonder adjacency bonus must be great for the theater square holding that amphitheater tho

In 2020 the apocalypse.

On Halde Haniel to be exact

I know, right? Kinda makes me excited haha

Gives a nice rhyme.

@Marius Entschuldige, aber nicht jeder wurde mit dem Luxus verwöhnt, mit seiner Klasse regelmäßig Ausflüge zu machen. :P :D

Wusste ich auch nicht, obwohl ich aus dem Ruhrgebiet komme, mich dafür interessiere und mehrere Touren in Zechen gemacht habe 😅

Meanwhile in the Netherlands: We want land! *builds Flevoland*

@B real you clearly didn’t watch the video. I’m not talking about places like New Orleans. I’m talking about places like in the video where corporations destroy the landscape

@B real Those cities you are talking about have existed for way longer than humans knowing about ocean levels rising. Building cities on the coast facilitates trade and allows for control of important waterways which is why so many coastal cities were founded. So shut up, noone alive today is at fault for coastal cities being threatened by flooding.

@B real Which experts are buying houses on the coast? Give examples, of individuals. Also what is your response to my previous post? Either ur trolling in which case not the worst i ever saw or you really are just a dipshit. In both cases, i am dissapointed.

@B real Tell that to the people of Bangladesh. I am sure they'll be releived to hear that they are just imagining the floods growing worse and worse year after year. Or New Yorkers who are currently in the process of streghtening the coastline to combat the ever worsening storm surges and rising sea level.

@B real how uneducated can you possibly be?

I had no idea what country you were talking about until is saw the “van” in your name. I didn’t know South Africa had a flooding problem /s

Netherlands is a cool place. The engineering in it is magnificent.

hi taran

Yo Taran, didn't expect to see you here

Get back to work, taran :)

Also known as paying until Sanktnimmerleinstag

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Another commenter brought up a good question about this in another thread, what would happen if the coal mining companies ran out of money/closed/otherwise stopped paying? I may be just a dumb American but if their last mine closed in 2018 they obviously wouldn't be sitting on an infinite supply of cash, thus it's an "eternal cost" paid for with a non-eternal source. Would the German government just start paying then?

@@szninc7315 No one cares

@@cpufreak101 There are quite complex laws as to who pays what if a company that has debts to pay files bankruptcy in Germany, and since this situation was probably brought on by a judgement in court it would be even more complicated. It also depends on the type of the company, they differ in regards to liability in case of bankruptcy. So I honestly have no idea. It's possible that the matter would go to court again, I guess. I wish I could say the coal companies are going down in Germany, but it doesn't look like they will. Our government is simping for the industry quite a bit, even though this case may make it appear differently. So no direct threat of bankruptcy anyways :D

Isn't it the material removed (mainly coal) that lowers the landscape, rather than the mass of the material put on top?

That's cool! Is the amphitheater operational? (Did they do shows there pre-covid?)

I care! Have a nice day 😃

Me too!

that's cool, thanks for sharing! :)

Always cool to have great RU-vid channel show clips a short way from where you live. I had it last week, when suddenly «Daily dose of Internet» had a clip 120 km from where I lived: I felt like shouting: I was there 30 days ago. Nobady cared probably.

general purpose david attenborough 2.0

The David Attenborough of random facts

Tom seems to be taking his cadence and tone from an old BBC show that's much in the same vein as this.

In a nice way though Sounds good and satisfying

A solitary killer, the firetruck stalks its prey.

*oder Sumpf.

The apocalypse in 2020?

@@harsh3624 Well, let's see how the remaining two months turn out...

It would be an upgrade, though.

So at least there's one thing to look forward to during the apocalypse.

Omg word!

i think a small river's worth of water flowing into a larger river probably has some consequences if this smaller river was sucked away

Gottem dirty

Savage but truuuue

The milk company?

You seriously think Dutch and German hydraulic engineers would call each other amateurs? What a sad perspective on the world.

@@koelnkorrekt r/woooosh

@@koelnkorrekt I guess you are really fun at parties...

😆

Different problems in Netherlands and Germany, different solutions. Bet they do collaborate!

Every minute.

"On this planet, you will die. We have seen it, many times."

As we say in the Netherlands: "money must rolling"

"I shall not fear....Fear is the mind killer."

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's brain went there.

The whole North Frisian Island region is very interesting. The entire area was shaped by an apocalyptic flood 660 years ago, and people have been working since then to keep the remaining inhabited places habitable. All the mud is still shifting and trying to settle into the new coastline. (Though local engineers try to prevent that.)

Wo ist da ein Ozean?

let it sink I say, only the worst rich people there

@@amende Die Nordsee gehört zum Atlantik.

@@scwfan08 und die Ostsee und das Mittelmeer gehören auch zum Atlantik?

Here in the UK IIRC in the Sheffield area they accidentally build a house or two over the top of the mineshaft. In one or two places houses have "sold" for £1 as who would ever want to risk buying a house like that.

sure they will....until the insolvenzverwalter flips the switch

@@MrMP-en7vf Jipp, hasst'e Recht 🤣

@@MrMP-en7vf i don't think the Insolvenzverwalter will flip the switch

Have they ever thought about filling the mining tunnels back up with the material that's now creating those hills?

and +1 production for each mine and quarry in the city.

Compared to the city being flooded? I think that would give you a bit more than just +20%.

Just don’t play with apocalypse mode turned on

😂😂😂😂

Nuclear plants don't have eternity costs, compared to coal, wind and solar, their upkeep and damage to the landscape is very minimal. Still, you need ore in order for a growing population to survive and thus mining is a necessity. The fact your idiot leader shut down nuclear's in favor of more toxic and more expensive coal shows how much more the landscape costs are going to continue to climb.

@@Predator42ID Tell that to the Ukrainians and the Japanese...

@@Quotenwagnerianer I am the Ukrainian and I understand what you mean. I was born 12 years before Chernobyl catastrophe, 130 km from that infamous nuclear power plant. I spent about 6 months in hospitals in the year of catastrophe (1986): months in, month out... heart problems, bronchitis... no official radiation related diagnose, however.... Though I would like to point at another aspect of fakeness of the claim “damage to landscape is very minimal”. Mining of Uranium requires digging out millions of tons of so called Uranium ore (actually ordinary stone with very low Uranium concentration in it). Then this stone needs to be ground down, with its portion of environmental damage. Then Uranium needs to be chemically (and environmentally very unfriendly) separated from millions of tons of other minerals, before a nuclear plant can get some “eternitically priced at zero” Uranium...

@@alekrudy5993 Still worth it.

​@@Predator42ID And you need to build shelters to store the nuclear waste in which are not exactly cheap but indeed not comparable to long term coal mining. Furthermore beside the car industry the coal industry still holds a lot of influence on politics etc. here in germany, the coal industry inside and outside since a lot is imported. I get the vibe around here that nuclear is still considered very dangerous by a majority of the population and with a democracy the leaders don´t really have a choice on that, but that sadly seems to be the case in a lot of places. Also I wish for example solar would be a better alternative, but solar sucks in germany and wind only has a few good places. Please do your research if you don´t believe me, but getting energy from coal for (might be 20) 10 years does less harm to the environment than setting up solar panels on your house. All the lithium etc. mining is incredibly damaging and germany is not only rather far from the equator it´s also rainy and at least here foggy a lot. I sadly see no way out of this in the near future except for things like clean energy imports and as much as I agree with your comment it would be lovely if you could be less derogatory and over-simplistic, since trough such manners other people seldom change their mind, which is what we most need with for example the nuclear issue.

Or a best of compilation: Tom Scott's top Pott spots

@@666Xeres ahhahahahhahaha nice :D

I prefer to do pot on my back porch or my kitchen.

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@@vaclav_fejt Exactly!

And the companys signed the contract with the words 'eternity costs' in it

Leider zahlt Deutschland jedes Jahr mehrere Milliarden um das Wasser das durch die Kohlemienen läuft davon abzuhalten sich mit dem Grundwasser zu vermischen. Das Wasser ist hochgiftig und würde die Trinkwasserversorgung gefährden. Das zahlen die Betreiber leider nicht.

Too bad the whole cole industry is funded by government money (= tax money) because it hasn’t been a profitable business for decades, yet the energy lobby has our politicians so deep in their pockets they don‘t have to worry about making any losses.

Companies in the United States usually do have to pay for the damages they cause. For example, PG&E had to pay about $11 Billion after they caused massive fires in California.

America: *files class action lawsuit against the world* YOU didn’t tell us that could happen, it’s your fault...

And y^ôu never ever truly leave civilisation. It is very hard to find any place where you can't see some building and the next smaller city is always just a few kilometres away. The larger industrialised areas are so packed that you could walk through city streets for days and not leave them.

It's sad how the rivers are just reduced to cement-lined sewage chutes.

Where? Because the german coal mines ALL belong to the RAG in Essen.

Not excactly that area. The current floods happenend up to 150 Km down south

Mostly its actually not that area. The worst is actually in the higher regions like the Ahrtal.

Been there

Is natürlich belastend

I'm American and never had the chance to leave my hemisphere of the earth, but my grandmother had been to Germany many times before for vacation. It's always interesting to me to see stuff in the rest of the world as I otherwise would never get the chance.

@@cpufreak101 This is one advantage of the internet. You can see the rest of the world, even when you can't visit them. I wish you luck to be able to travel on your own in the future.

Would you be interested in a trade agreement with England?

@@MagyarGaben I denounce you!

My china main ass took a whole 3 mins to remember that Ruhr valley was in civ 6

@@MagyarGaben That's CIV5, but yes

I am german too and i am not mad about it 😂😂

@@benjamin-vx1uv lmao

@@benjamin-vx1uv me too but i manage to speak fluent english with the american accent

@@benjamin-vx1uv same

I'm not mad about it and my grandmother is German.

According to Wikipedia West Virginia has a population density of about 29 people/km² vs. the ruhr valley with 1152 people/km² ... might factor into this difference aswell^^

I imagine its a space vs people thing.

The US is enormous, they can afford to just leave all that land behind and go somewhere else. Europe not so much.

@@orngjce223 We all know what happened when Germany started looking for places to live elsewhere...

to be fair, the US has just a "little" more land to care about than Germany

Mining companies prefer people not too worry too much about the massive scale of destruction they have brought to Germany.

@@booketoiles1600 Rubbish, where did you get that idea? Mining companies are obliged by law to reclaim their workings - I should know, I work in mining.

@@importedmusic Thats not a global thing.

@@importedmusic German here, 100% of repair of the landscape after (brown-)coal ends in 2038 is being paid by with taxes. Next to that, the companies get funds of billions of Euros because 'the 20.000 people working in the coal industry' (and their jobs) are more important than the nearly 8 billion people on earth that will go down with climate change. Capitalism sucks.

i live right on top and i didnt know..

From the land side or the water side?

@@tand0r Haha His nickname is not Aquaman so land side.

I bet if you look hard enough you could see the factory in the distance!

Was looking for this comment :D

I bet if you listen closely you can hear the Twyre whisper

?

Pathologic!

Or hold my Grolsch!

It's actually right next door.

Well, completely different situation...

😂😂 👌🏻

Except Germany caused 2 world wars.

We tried reuniting once (1940-1945) didn't go well

@@harsh3624 Germany only caused the second world war

@@masterked1140 some weird austrian dude started the second one!

@@masterked1140 Technically, the UK and France declared war on Germany, not Germany on the UK and France.

Nope, while there was flooding in the Ruhr area, that was mostly local and small scale. The real bad stuff went on about 150 kilometres away in higher regions. Like the Ahrtal. That one got hit real bad.

They didn‘t flood at all

2020: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN! xD

this just in: on December 27th, 2020, the operators of all of the pump stations got food poisoning at the yearly pump-operator-convention, thus having to call in sick and nobody was able to run the pumps. Theres now a giant lake where the Ruhr valley once was.

TERORIST: Oh now we are getting idea!

2020 is over and it didnt happened

What are you referring to?

Never mind, I've found it! Listening to it now and LOVING it :D

heaviest rickroll I ever experienced.... Jetzt muss ich duschen gehen! :(

@@FarfettilLejl i still dont get it... please post a timestamp :D

@@alberthofmann420 it's not in the video, you need to expand the description under it

One has nothing to do with the other. The flood was in a non mining region of germany

The place where syllables come to life

@Seb Ba GERMAN WORD, SED MASON, WHAT DO THEY MEAN!¿

Quite a few spoil heaps like that where I live in South Yorkshire in the UK.

Holy Schleswig-Holstein?