It sounds stupid on its face, but in context the reviewer is just saying the exact scenario that played out (game canceled in the 90's, eventually sees the light of day decades later) was ideal. The problem with the statement is that it absolutely did not deserve to get canceled.
Wow, a lot of people crying about a little comment on the internet. "actually fucking argue" says the guy cursing and raging. And argue what exactly? Keep it up, guys. I could use the laughs.
So for IGN... would the original Star Fox also deserve a mediocre score of 5.0/10 because it had similar framerate issues and blocky graphics? Arguably it should score lower because it has less features than Star Fox 2
honestly, OG Star Fox had a SLOWER frame rate, I thought, because there's more enemies/missiles/sprites on screen at the same time. Star Fox 2 cut down for performance, I felt. It was a good call.
@@montefisto It was a terrible call. Star Fox 2 is a worse game that Star Fox in almost every way that actually matters: controls, gameplay, level design, etc.
I personally would give the original Star Fox about a 5/10 for those exact reasons. It's a good game buried under some of the worst visuals in gaming history.
That's not an excuse.. Star Fox and Star Fox 2 both look like hot garbage both in their 3D models, and in their atrocious 15 FPS. The SNES Star Fox games would've been much more appealing to the eye and a lot less dated if they used 2D sprites. A lot of SNES games still look really nice today btw so this idea that they're unfairly picking on Star Fox 2's graphics because they're old is just wrong.
"It probably deserved to get cancelled, but it also deserved to see the light of day and I'm glad I got to play this piece of gaming history." So in other words it's "disappointingly enjoyable"?
it's not fucking skyrim. it's more "Baby Sit a planet that your nemesis from the first game wants to flat out obliterate out of payback for being defeated last time."
The real reason why StarFox 2 was cancelled was because the 3D dogfighting worked so well and looked so good that Miyamoto was scared that the game would impact sales of the N64. FACT.
@@burnout713 Judging by that picture you look like one of those soulless "journalists". You media freaks disgust me, no wonder nobody trusts you anymore
"primitive 3D graphics" *when 3D was NEW IN 1995* "Nobody cares about Roxas" one of the most *tragic characters of Kingdom Hearts ever* IGN needs to understand what they're reviewing, not just review it.
" "primitive 3D graphics" when 3D was NEW IN 1995" Nah, man. Dated even by 1993 standards. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NzveVFilqMU.html
Taktwo2 I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but it had some charm before the culture of either loving or hating it started overshadowing the game itself.
SaltyShenanigans No worries I don't even dislike Undertale, but to judge a novelty game by the standards of today is silly when a retro throwback is presented as a masterpiece. It's especially disheartening when you consider just how ambitious it was to make this on SNES hardware.
I actually did enjoy this game. I waited 21 years for it and it was worth the wait. Things like slowdown was common with even Super NES games and they are emulated into the Super NES Classic Edition.
I'd say that given the hardware limitations of the time, Starfox 2 did pretty well for itself. Also, Nice use of a Larry Bundy clip. That just sealed the deal. Yet again, more proof that IGN's reviews aren't the greatest.
That game looks bloody amazing for 1995 16-bit era. It absolutely destroys similar attempts at flying and shooting games made for the PSX or Saturn at the same time. Seems like professional jealousy that it was cancelled
Star Fox 2 looks amazing in the context of the time it was released. It really looks like a very early PS1 game and somehow it runs decently on a 16 bit console, it’s crazy.
IGN "game journalist" bitching about controls on the D-pad? Bitch, please! Being someone who owned an original SNES and the original Starfox, it was custom to move about with the D-pad and barrel roll to prevent stray lasers from draining energy. Every little bit counted in the harder boss fights.
Personally I like this game. I was disappointed when it was cancelled back in the 90s. Then 21 years later I bought the Super NES Classic Edition for this game and I was not disappointed. A game good by 1995/1996 standards with fresh new ideas to Star Fox which were borrowed for Star Fox 64, Star Fox Command, and Star Fox Zero and this game handled most of them better. It's a simple game that could have had an improved follow up with these great ideas, but let's face it--After Star Fox 64 the series hasn't been great and it was Argonaut that made this series great. It's a shame that they had to go under thanks to Pixar suing them.
2:41 If even I had no problem with moving and aiming with a *FUCKING KEYBOARD* on playSNES, then it shouldn't be at all hard to do the same with a controller on native hardware.
It's one of the first platform games to use 3 dimensional engine on console, based on one of the most iconic franchises of video game history, in 1995..and IGN is complaining of its graphics... the incompetent of IGN is beyond credible for me.
Technically, 1996. The official released, finished ROM proves this. The copyright year is marked down as 1996 instead of 1995. Now, if we were talking about the beta ROMS, that are floating all over the Internet, and that most people played, you would be correct. Because, that is how most people played the game. They played one of the many available betas that were floating around the Internet, and that were the “unfinished”, game.
I’m super late. Just started playing it on switch. Why did the reviewer expect it to run better on the snes mini? It emulates the original snes hardware.
What's that little tune at the beginning? It sounds awfully familiar. I don't know exactly why, but I'm getting an Animal Crossing vibe from it. I doubt it's from AC, though. I guess I've been wanting to play more Wild World lately, haha.
2:42 I think it's easier with slowdowns. There's a 30 fps star fox mod with no lag, and basically the game's speed is increased giving one less time to react
People weren't such spoiled little brats back then, people played game simply to see if they were fun, not based off of how well they looked, or how well they were coded because back then everyone didn't think they were a computer science savant simply because they watch a couples RU-vid videos on the subject
The reviewer has a good point there. In 93 when there wasn't much like it at the time it was probably impressive as fuck. But in 95 when compared to what arcade games and even the PlayStation could do it looked pretty weak. 5 is a bit harsh but it's not really deserving of anything more than an 8 and that's being generous
well, arcade games were superior to console games since Atari, so I dont see the point there, compare it with the ps makes more sense, but even with that you must consider that is a snes game, pretty impressive for the console, if sf2 was a nintendo 64 game then it would be a lame in graphics, but it is not, still a snes game, a 1990 console, while the ps is a 1995 console, does that mean that is a master piece? of course no, but at least deserves a 7, or a 6 at low
To get those kind of graphics out of that hardware was kind of a miracle. To rate this game based on 2 years in the future after when it should have come out is kind of like saying "Oh were in the future now so we see it wasn't all the impressive in hindsight" which makes zero sense.
graphics aren't everything for a game. Good graphics are only supposed to make better, but aren't the focus at all. They should mostly be ignored. They just add to the experience and that's all.
@@hdofu Graphics might not be everything, and on aging 5 year old hardware when put up against the new kids on the block, it's technically impressive. But games shouldn't just be held in high regard just from what the programmers have accomplished alone. The gameplay is an improvement over the previous game, but the low framerate and imprecise aiming (looking at the final retail release that removed the lock-on reticle) bring the shortcomings to the forefront. All range dogfights were a neat addition, and were implemented tremendously in 64, but seem to fall short because of the mentioned limitations. A better example would be Street Fighter Alpha 2, which despite how massive of a game needed to be squashed into a small cart, is a perfectly solid playing port of the game to aging hardware.
WTF IGN, please do not review a game you don't even undertand in the first place, and second YOU ALWAYS SUCKED at reviews anyway... so theres no surprise here
This game is really good, just found out about it this year and booted it up on my emulator. You just start thinking, theres no way all these features could have worked in a snes. But it just delivers. Would have blown my mind as a late 90s gamer kid.
I find those reviews hilarious. I have played this title when it was leaked to the internet a few years ago. I remember when it was first all in Japanese. Minor issue there, as I can't read Japanese, but the game was pretty straight forward. Honestly...I love this game. There isn't ANYTHING wrong with it at all. It is an obvious step forward from Star Fox. IGN obviously needs to learn how to properly review titles.
I've hated IGN for a while now since I noticed how the "reviewers" didn't seem to care about the game they're talking about like they've taken a handful of downers and decided to talk about games not to mention if you search their backlog there's quite a few times the gameplay shown isn't even from them. which is one of the many reasons I don't trust reviews from anyone.
To be fair Nintendo should’ve overclocked the emulated Super FX chip to about 10x speed. Makes Starfox 1&2 _buttery_ smooth. Maybe also have a “nostalgia” mode for people who want to play it at the original 3 FPS for whatever reason.
I love how the game looks it's beautiful but the framerate is my only complaint and i understand why the framerate is bad it's the snes I don't even think it has sprite rotation let alone able to handle 3d but there's still beautiful games like yoshis island omfg how did they make it look that good
Dude star fox 2 blows my mind. I seriously cant believe how amazing the game looks, imagine playing it in the 90s as a kid. Youd need a new diaper! Ive been playing the hell outta this game since the mini came out. And its always impressed me with its INCREDIBLE color, sharply detailed textures (on the f*king SNES!!!!!) and higher framerate than the original. But i recently got a new QUANTUM LED tv. Which surprises me how amazing the difference is between qled and regular led. I booted up star fox 2 for the 1st time on this tv, and holy cow. It almost looks like it has HDR! This game never ceases to amaze me. The glowing effect on overrun planets is the best looking one, it genuinely glows like a neon light or something on this tv and i keep finding myself having a cig break and just staring at it when its on screen. God this game is one of my all time favorites. Also i never tried any higher difficulties despite putting in 40 hrs (probably more because i have multiple save states where i started over) and i did so just last night. Now im seeing new things for the 1st time in this game and just wow... the water planet BLEW MY MIND ON A NUCLEAR LEVEL. AMAZING! AND YOU CAN FIGHT LITERAL ICBMS... OH MY GOD!
I kind of agree but just because game was impressive for the time or hardware doesn't it's actually good or worth playing. The circumstances behind a game's creation are irrelevant, you should judge it based on how fun it actually is. Even with that said, IGN needs to actually do some research.
So on a console that offers Super Metroid, Super Mario World, Final Fantasy VI, Earthbound, Secret of Mana and Mega Man X, you're saying the best game is... a 30 minute shooter with horrendous visuals, a choppy framerate, and no story or significant characters. And IGN is stupid.
I dunno about the best game on the SNES mini (purely because a lot of the other games in the library are *such* strong titles), but it absolutely deserved to be in its library. And yeah, IGN is a pile of shit.
@@burnout713 Yes I am. Because it is a fact. Star Fox 2 kicks so much ass, and it's infinitely replayable due to having randomized elements each playthrough. And if you're going to be reductive, Megaman X and Super Metroid are just shooters that can be beaten in 45 minutes. I'm not saying they're bad games but your reductive logic can be applied to all those other games as well.
Truthfully IGN can't understand a game like Star Fox 2. I enjoyed it despite its problems. But for what it's worth, it's for a game that came out in 1995. I honestly feel that it should have been released back then. Also and this is a theory of mine but the reason why Star Fox 2 was never released was because the PS1 and the Saturn were released around that time and Nintendo was afraid... afraid that if they released Star Fox 2 to compete against them, they'd be a laughingstock. So they cancelled it to put focus towards the N64. At least now we got Star Fox 2 now.
Sorry for replying to a 2 year old comment, but... I totally agree it should have been released back in 1995. In fact, I actually remember when I was a little kid, I was in Target near the video games, and I remember seeing an advertisement for Star Fox 2 - as in, a *video* advertisement. I loved the first game, and I was excited! ... And then nothing happened until N64 and Star Fox 64 came out.
i’m going to contribute now, and I’m even later. The actual release year was supposed to be 1996. The ROM that was released on the SNES Mini, and in return NSO proves this, because the copyright year shows 1996 instead of 1995 like in the beta.
Well, my take is somewhere in the middle. While it is indeed true that by 1995 there were many better looking games, whether on PC PS1, Saturn or 3DO, considering what the game is running on, it is definitely not something unimpressive.
I heard though that they purposely reviewed Star Fox 2 as if it was a modern game as a joke. I think they're purposefully shit talking the graphics in a satirical way I don't think they're actually this stupid however I hate that they say that the game wasn't released because the graphics are too shitty compared to the N64 which is ironic because it's the complete opposite. They didn't want to release Star Fox 2 because they thought people would say the graphics are so good they would not have a reason to buy the N64 if the SNES can already do 3D
I mean, I suppose this is because I wasn't around that era, but just looking at StarFox 2 makes my eyes a bit sore. But from what I can tell, it won't be too much of an impediment from it being fun Fuck graphics, I'm gonna try to get my hands on this game so I can have some more StarFox fun.
If you have a Switch, you can play it on the SNES portion of Nintendo Switch Online. you don’t need the Expansion Pack portion of the plan to play it either. You just need the base plan. I know, because that’s what I have.
I'll probably never get to play the game myself but from what i've seen so far the game looks for its age great too. I don't see a problem there. But maybe that's because i only care about the gameplay and how fun it is 'cause for me fps don't matter, as long as the game is still playable. If a game ran at like 5 fps and this would make the game basically unplayable i wouldn't like it though.
In their post-SNES launch pod cast, they tear Starfox 2 a new exhaust pipe. If they did not like it, why did they replay it more than once, and then talk shit about it the whole time?
Ninty had dated 3D hardware for 1995 (super fx) and the competition had solid 3D that outdid the snes. The N64 was a good 3D machine, but I think it was up to miyamoto itself to tweak the games so they would look "nintendish". Have you seen 1993 Silicon Graphics demos? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vFyeNY2hAT0.html That's 3D games without the nintendo part added This is polygon camera work, angles, game features, and all the technological mumbo jumbo (assets, sounds, multiplayer). So I feel bad for argonaut devs (since they felt betrayed), but that is marketing for u.
This link is simply cinematic 3D tech though, we are looking at in game teach with no additionally polished cinematics, everything in the posted video is a cinematic so they are a bit different in terms of coding and implementing it, not to mention those were all on discs or CD roms, we are referring to cartridges here... Almost not even relatable, you are getting caught by marketing here yourself ;P
To be fair, they write reviews for gamers in general, not just diehard Starfox fans/retro gamers. While I love this game and appreciate it for what it achieved on the SNES, I wouldn't recommend the experience to the average gamer.
Even by 1995 standards, the gameplay is a little slow at times, though it would've been forgivable for being on the SNES. IGN still wasn't fair and still graded it by 2017 standards, but to be honest, the original Star Fox 2 wouldn't do perfect in the late 1990s either.
I agree that the controls and framerate are major issues with Star Fox 2 (and would be issues if it was released in 1995), but that should only knock the game down to a 7 out of 10, based on the scaling that modern game reviewers use. 5 and less denotes pretty much a completely broken and boring game. Star Fox 2 is far from boring, mediocre, or bad. It's hard to control (and so was the original Star Fox due to the same issues).
IF IGN rated early 1900s cars IN the 2020s: "🤦🏻♂️🤣🖕🏻Ford's Model T?! 1/10... too slow, WTF kinda car has A HAND-CRANK starter on the grill, tiny fuel range, accelerates like a snail AND f-sakes?! Has a top speed of 40MPH?! Fuck, Henry Ford seriously fucked up! Also, don't go to GERMANY, 😬😳🙌🏻there's this guy named Adolf Hitler, he like, totally fucking hates Jews for NO reason and WTF is Nintendo?! Don't they like, make card games for geishas or something?! LIKE THOSE CARD MAKERS IN TOKIO ARE GONNA LAST?! 🤣🖕🏻"
I played Star Fox when it first came out and loved it. I still think Star Fox 2 is a bad game. It feels so short and just throws you in without really explaining anything.
