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Technically, not fired, you don't get fired from the military, or its training academy. But, you are dead on - there was no positive outcome for anybody in the squadron. They would have been legendary wash-outs, their careers over before they started. Sure, there would have been a storm of protest from the cadets. Nova was the sports-jock equivalent - and college athletes get away with a lot. But the Academy would never cave and risk the entire squadron being lost the next year
If they'd succeeded they'd be ripped new assholes with some yelling, and then... Monitored ultra stupid careful for whether they were geniuses like Kirk or idiots like Guy Gardner. They wouldn't quite get in trouble immediately but they'd be on the sort of parole they don't get off of and the second wrong thing they do the whole book gets thrown at them. Also the other cadets and classes would be given no room for wiggle room orders that a zero tolerance policy will be in effect for anyone caught attempting to practice or study it. They will make it clear that Nova aren't getting away with anything until they prove they're better than Kirk which won't be happening. Order discipline and rules following is extremely valued and so is superhuman performance. They'd throw three times as much book at them for anything looking or sounding or smelling like jaywalking..... But a squadron that showed signs of ability to perform a maneuver the entire galaxy knows Starfleet forbids its cadets to perform could be a tactical surprise advantage at some point against any adversary too well researched on Starfleet protocols and history. To be able to act not as a Starfleet Squadron when one wears the uniform of Starfleet would bestow the element of surprise in some special circumstances. They could never ever endorse it openly. It would be extremely black ops most likely. But we've seen corrupt admirals engage in far worse in any case.
@@darthparallax5207 you guys are overthinking it and overanalyzing it. It's the star trek version of Tony Soprano and Jackie Aprille holding up Feech LaManna's cardgame. "There was a sitdown, and the right people got some money back, but the point was made - Tony and your dad were rising stars who had to be respected, and were on the fast track to being made" - brutal paraphrasing, but you get the point
@@MGower4465 Not sure if we are talking about the same thing but there are pilots in the US air force who have been permanently grounded and sent to new jobs after violating rules like flying too low over a football game one time. That kind of is like getting fired. Pilots absolutely do not break rules, it isn't like Top Gun.
I don't know which premise would've been cooler: that Boothby was just very perceptive and in a position to notice things that no one else would've... or if he was El-Aurian posing as human or something like that. 🙂
@@WhiteScarsEmo it's been implied somewhere can't remember but that the original Boothby is dead and that the Boothby we see if a hologram. Tho this one might be the original and the later version seen or the hologram one
I agree. He was being extremely subtle yet fair: He didn't want to betray the Nova members, but he did want to alert Picard that they were the ones at fault, especially the leader, whom Boothby also cared, just as he did Picard.
Boothby is portrayed by iconic character actor Ray Walston, who is best known for his role as Martin the Martian on the 60s sitcom 'My Favorite Martian'.
The way Boothby described Lorcano is found a lot in history. Some for good and some for evil. Lorcano was a natural leader that was mostly concerned for only himself. After his expulsion from the academy, he basically became a mercenary that couldn't let go of the past. Lorcano was the equivalent of a Heisman trophy nominee who was kicked off the team after being found gambling on his own games. So much potential wasted because of ego. Starfleet Academy unfortunately didn't learn from the folly of Nova Squadron. A different captain had to deal with an even more zealous group of cadets. Red Squad. This group was used like puppets to try and commit treason during a failed coup. They sabotaged things on Earth to try and get the Federation to become a militaristic government under the leadership of a paranoid Admiral. Later, the group would meet their end because they were indoctrinated to believe that they could do anything. Under another charismatic leader, Red Squad spent 8 months in Dominion held territory trying to become war heroes. The only person to see through the bull crap that Watters was spewing was Jake Sisko, a civilian reporter who knows the Starfleet life. Lorcano and Watters are examples of natural leaders with poor judgment and very low common sense in science fiction.
I got the impression that Red Squad were assembled to be manipulable tools. Maybe by Admiral Leyton, maybe Star Fleet Intelligence, maybe Section 31. But I find it telling that the group was not disbanded even after participating in sabotage of Earth's power grid.
Picard is a thoughtful man who doesn't believe in unnecessary posturing. And he trusts his officers to understand and execute his plans once he's explained them. OTOH he always solicits their input before making a decision. He's a CO who respects his crew's expertise and wants to hear what they have to say, not just tell them what to do.
I feel like it’s a fun character moment that logical Data and hyper nerd Geordi mention igniting the plasma exhaust quizzically while wild-in-his-academy-days fought-Nausicans-and-won Picard recognizes what they were doing immediately
I aways thought Nick was a distant relative of the Paris family. Its a shame Tom didn't say or somebody said he went the same way as Nick or even said Nick went out into the galaxy himself in a small ship and never returned.
Jokes aside, the characters are very different. Paris is a maverik but lovely and loyal to the bone. Locarno is an entitled and selfish character beyond redemption. I know the character was renamed for production reasons, but thankfully, it was developed as its own and not as a follow-up to Locarno's plot.
This is the first time the possibility that the cadets, INCLUDING WESLEY, might have been lying about what really happened occurs to anyone from the Enterprise, right?
Trek was at it's truest and best when it is dealing with grounded character based storylines not doing crazy stuff every episode, the grounding is important. The makers of the new Trek don't seem to understand that, they don't get it.
yep they go with the 10 episode movie plot. Dont know any of the bridge crew, no short stories just one huge story arch and some main character who is the hero with supporting characters you never truly get to know. they have done this with picard, discovery and don't forget the wokism shoved in. Only grounding they did in discovery is watching two gay men in bed discussing how much they love each other.
I thought the same thing, while watching this clip I became immersed in the story. While watching the New Trek, all can see is a bunch of actors on a sound stage. They can not recreate the illusion for the story line. It is like baking cookies and then forgetting that pinch of salt, and when someone tastes the cookies, they mention... somethings missing, the cookies just don't taste the same.
At times, we see Picard's breath as he talks outside with Boothby. However, we don't always see it even in the same scene and we never see Boothby's breath at all.
That's a dead giveaway that the 2 close-up shots were filmed at different times, perhaps even different locations. And Sir Patrick must have been freezing. One of the studio lots that NHK uses in Japan for filming historical dramas is sometimes filmed in the dead of winter, so even when it's lit up like it's the middle of summer, you can see the actors' breaths.
what did you expect Wes was always a troublemaker taking control of the enterprise from main engineering to play with the tractor beam this is not his first-time having fun with tech that can kill you.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If they had succeeded, it's likely Lorcano would have gotten the ax anyway, the others in Nova are a strong maybe. This isn't like Kirk cheating at the Kobayashi Maru, bending the rules is only the sign of a good leader when it doesn't risk the lives of others, especially those under your command. This would have have exposed Lorcano as a flawed leader, willing to risk people who trusted him for glory, and Starfleet knows there's no more dangerous trait in a captain, and would have dropped him like a rock as a result.
It never made sense to me on that whole ignite the plasma, Starburst maneuver that was specifically outlawed and for good reason - cadets had died performing the act. This to me would be like a graduation ceremony where graduates get into a car and start drifting crazily in circles to show off. Like ok? Neat show but you think the administration isn't going to strike hard on that?
Nick never regretted and never changed. It was all about him all the way until he had to die in *Lower Decks* rather than admit that he'd ever been wrong.
I always found it strange that, being Starfleet Command and having nearly abundant and limitless resources, couldn’t figure out what really happened, and yet it took two crew members of one ship to extrapolate everything. If Picard was able to easily pull up a record of the squad’s ship formation, why couldn’t Starfleet Command look up in their records “hey, what formation is this?” Sometimes they make it seem like Starfleet would be inept without the Enterprise backing them up all the time.
Even if the Colvard Starburst had gone as planned, the flight team should have known they'd face disciplinary action for performing a banned maneuver. It made no sense that any of them would want to graduate and throw away their careers at the same time. As much as I'd like to explain Tom Paris as Locarno, there's no logical way to do it.
My guess is had it worked, the skill needed to make it work would be such high-level, that certain starfleet admirals (i.e. the kind who turned around and approved Red Squad) would overlook the slight and fast track them to star-studded postings.
Cyndis I've heard numerous stories of football players accused of rape and essentially proven to rape, yet were so popular that nothing happened. Everyone still loved them and ignored that other stuff. I remember a story where the who raped a girl was so loved that the community turned against HER for daring to complain. Her whole family suffered such abuse and threats that they had to leave town. Look at all the soldiers who've raped and partied and done illegal things and got slaps on the wrists. There are people who are SO popular and so admired and revered that any and all crimes they do are just shoved in the closet. Look at Trump and the adoring fan base he has. I believe that if the team had pulled off their starburst that nothing would have happened ("you crazy kids, you know how close you came to disaster? Well anyways, let's sign you up for special forces, big promotions, and the fast track to admiralty. Hey, can I get your autographs??")
@@Aeroldoth3 Your comment has nothing to do with this video It is your own personal opinion that you got from places like TYT and Samantha Bee who was so bad her show got cancelled
I should point out that there's no way the 3 senior crew members would let Picard walk away without explaining how he knew Nova Squad was going to ignite the plasma. Which means, had Picard decided to testify, Geordi and Data would back him up with their findings, and Wesley would have been expelled.
3 senior crew members would Let picard walk away without explaining. He does that alot lmao and hes the captain so he dont need to explain anything to anyone XD
Surprised an AI model could not have figured this out. Flight formation data would easily have been in the databases, including the cadets from long ago who performed the manuever in question and the technical commonalities between the two events. Even classified material would be accessible to incorporate. The ship's computer should've found the connection in like a fraction of a second with the systems they have. An example here how real-world computing surpassed the imagination of the 90s.
I'm personally satisfied that whatever the conditions are, they made it difficult to simulate. It's not like they didn't do a model. Geordi describe them having done exactly that. But with the variables in play, it probably spat out dozens of possibilities. One of those results likely does indeed show the maneuver they did. But the model probably gave equal probability to quite a number of other scenarios. No matter how good AI gets, you can't pull an answer from nothing. You can't ask an AI model whether your next coin flip is heads or tails. I think it's the opposite, the 90s recognized that technology isn't always a solution to every problem.
"And you could be exploring the universe in a holodeck" I wonder if they could do a live recreation of, like, reisa, in the holodeck - based on sensor readings or something. Actually, i know they can do multiplayer holodeck stuff, but we only ever see the players all in the same holodeck - i wonder if they could do some sort of online multiplayer - or telepresence - in the holodeck
Es llamativo que a Data se le haya escapado el detalle de la correlación entre: 1 - Las 5 naves formadas en la configuración pentagonal previa a la ejecución de la maniobra Kool Starburst; 2 - La habilitación de la válvula que permitiría la evacuación del plasma, previa a su ignición; y, 3 - Que las 5 naves hayan colisionado en forma casi simultánea, lo cual es compatible con una intención de converger hacia 5 puntos de su trayectoria, distanciados unos de otros a lo largo de una linea de 10 metros.
With the plasma “Encabulator” this can be an issue. You can’t align the hydrodynamic fluvial apex relay unless you convert the inverse coil magneto stator. BUT if you do that and don’t ignite the fluvial drive matrix relay conduit you can have side fumbling. There’s a new video on the Hyper Encabulator explaining this.
That’s only on the old mark 5, ex Cardassian war versions. They’ve modified a type 2 sting ray flux capacitor to operate at 1.21 jiga watts which can compensate for the fluvial reflux issue as well as maintain turbulent primary checkaquads of data.
Boothby basically said: "that Nick Locarno is the one you need to look at. They'd do anything he told'em to do, that Nick Locarno dude. Its Nick Locarno you need to ask, Nick. Did you hear what I said Jean Luc? Nick L O C A R N O, Nick. He's a tricky one that Nick Locarno guy, real shifty. Like he's making them say nothing or something. Nick Locarno ay... id keep an eye on that Locarno guy, I would. Thats just me."
Something is unusual about Geordie's voice in this video. It sounds deeper like someone else is playing him and trying to imitate Levar Burton's voice he sounds like Geordie with a head cold
@@DustWolphy No, it is not literally already fire. It is plasma; matter in a superheated state. 😉 Fire is the chemical reaction of oxygenation in a state of human-perceivable photon emission. 🤓
Boothby: "Now Nick Locarno, there's a leader. He could rustle up a plate of beans like noone else on campus. With the sweet aroma of a saucepan of prime beans, he had those kids bewitched, Jump off the cliff they would chasin' Locarno's beans." Picard: "I see."
It can, however, initiate some other reaction, which might be called “ignition” as a metaphorical technical term. For example, “ignition” in the context of nuclear fusion refers to a fusion chain reaction in which the reactions are producing more energy than the reactants are absorbing to trigger the reactions.
Boothby spend three weeks repairing the grounds instead of pointing his finger and twirling it around repairing it instantly maybe because of the time he spent with tim O'Hara
From watching the flashback scene in Locarno’s episode of “Lower Decks”, it feels as though maybe this is a scene from “The First Duty” that was missed? Locarno looked more like a manipulator than a leader, in that scene. And really we should’ve got more an impression of the latter than the former - even if the former still applies, and it turns out he was indeed a manipulator.
Paris had a very similar backstory to Lorcano. Training stunt gone wrong, kicked out off Starfleet. Except Paris felt guilty, owned up to it. Lorcano was arrogant like Paris, but he didn't see his actions as being wrong. He wasn't a bad guy in his mind.
Tom Paris was originally going to be called Nick Locarno. It was supposed to be the same character, but the writer of this episode demanded credit fot the use of Locarno in "Voyager", so the name was changed.
Let's review Nova Squadron member's ultimate fate. One died as an ensign on a mission to Cardassia. Another quit the Acadamy (to become a "Traveller"). A third eventually was engulfed in the fiery conflagration of a Genesis device. I don't call this much career success.
They tried the spacecraft version of an F111 fuel dump ,, fuel drops out behind F111 ,start afterburners and it leaves a huge flame trail ,,see ,,um , i knew that in the old days when i watched this ,,,850gig of star trek alone on my hdds,,TOS was best ,,City on the edge of forever,,,WHAT A CONCEPT,,
I love how Earth is the headquarters of Starfleet but when something comes up they need some rando ship in orbit to investigate. Must be the same geniuses that always decide to never have anyone guarding the planet so that any old Enterprise is the closest ship when V'Ger level threats show up.
Strikes me odd that the gigantic Earth spacedock was already there at that time and is filled with tens of thousands of highly qualified engineers and scientists and yet nobody at the academy even bothered to think about those resources to use to solve this mystery?
He sounds like the command attributes and Star ship crew dedication of Captain James T. Kirk. His crew has his back and supports him no matter what. Kirk says, “Lay in a course into the neutral zone”. No questions, no protest, no conference, they just do it. Picard always has his crew questions or gives remarks because they think there’s a better idea and in some cases Picard and Riker backs down. Kirk is The Man!
In the following scene, Picard brings up a formation flying maneuver which involved the formation igniting its plasma exhaust to produce a spectacular visual demonstration. One can assume, since Picard went to the same academy Wesley was at, he learned of the existence of this maneuver -- and why the academy banned it -- at some point during his time there, either from an instructor or from some rulebook.
Well, before commencing the maneuver, the ships assume the formation that the satellite image showed. From there it is pretty easy to reason everything else out when you are as experienced as Picard.
